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Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 10:49pm On May 19, 2019
Does the bible teach conditional security or unconditional security? Discuss with scripture illustrate your point.
All believers of Christ are welcome to share their answers.
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 10:55pm On May 19, 2019
Some verses of scripture that to support condition security

“And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” ( Matthew 24:11-13 )

“So therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.” ( Romans 8:12-14 )

“Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.” ( 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 )

“Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.” ( Galatians 6:7-9 )
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 10:57pm On May 19, 2019
(Colossians 3:16-17).
Matthew 18:21-35; 24:4,5, 11-13, 23-26; 25:1-13
Luke 8:11-15; 11:24-28; 12:42-46
John 6:66-71; 8:31-38, 51; 13:8; 15:1-6
Acts 11:21-23; 14:21,22
Romans 6:11-23; 8:12-14, 17; 11:20-22; 14:15-23
1 Corinthians 9:23-10:21; 11:29-32; 15:1-2
2 Corinthians 1:24; 11:2-4; 12:21-13:5
Galatians 5:1-4; 6:7-9
Ephesians 3:17
Philippians 2:12-16; 3:4-4:1
Colossians 1:21-23; 2:4-8, 18-19
1 Thessalonians 3:1-8
1 Timothy 1:3-7, 18-20; 2:11-15; 4:1-16; 5:5,6, 8, 11-15; 6:9-12, 17-21
2 Timothy 2:11-18, 22-26; 3:13-15
Hebrews 2:1-3; 3:6-19; 4:1-16; 5:8-9; 6:4-20; 10:19-39; 11:13-16; 12:1-29; 13:7, 9-14, 17
James 1:12-16, 21-22; 2:14-26; 4:4-10; 5:19-20
1 Peter 1:5-9, 13
2 Peter 1:5-11; 2:1-22; 3:16-17
1 John 1:5-2:11; 2:15-3:10; 5:4-5, 16
2 John 6, 9
Jude 5, 12
Revelation 2:7, 10-11, 17-26; 3:4-5, 8-12, 14-22; 12:11; 17:14; 21:7-8; 22:18-19
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by 5solas(m): 11:08pm On May 19, 2019
solite3:
Does the bible teach conditional security or unconditional security? Discuss with scripture illustrate your point.
All believers of Christ are welcome to share their answers.
It is unconditional eternal security. Conditional eternal security is no security. Salvation is by grace, meaning, it is not deserved. Those saved were chosen before the foundation of the world, before they did anything - good or bad. That was when the book of life was written. See Ephesians 1:3-5, Rev. 13:8 and 17:8.
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 12:02am On May 20, 2019
5solas:

It is unconditional eternal security. Conditional eternal security is no security. Salvation is by grace, meaning, it is not deserved. Those saved were chosen before the foundation of the world, before they did anything - good or bad. That was when the book of life was written. See Ephesians 1:3-5, Rev. 13:8 and 17:8.
thank you very much a concise and straight to the point answer

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Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by ArchAngelos999: 8:34pm On May 20, 2019
most people in popular evangelical churches do not have a proper understanding of salvation/atonement. Many cannot define the term born again. this is because many are so focused on anointing, materialism, destroying enemies. A lot have taken scriptures out of context to say one can lose salvation e. g

Matthew 7:23
[23]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

many take the above verse as Christ talking to a believer who "missed it". However, looking at the verse itself and the context Christ it's clear wasn't talking to a believer.

I never* knew you, never. He didn't say i used to know you. the preceding verses show he wasn't referring to a believer, but to false prophets... Matthew 7:15
[15]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

here is God's sovereign declaration to believers

John 10:28-29
[28]And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29]My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

never perish, cannot be plucked out of His hand.

it is interesting that even the most popular verse in the Bible preaches eternal Salvation

John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 8:12am On May 21, 2019
Also Do you think christians should heed to the warnings in the bible? give reasons for your answers.
example
John 15:4
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Romans 11:20-24 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 8:17am On May 21, 2019
2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 8:22am On May 21, 2019
1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 4:18
And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:1
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

in 1 Thessalonians 5:12 sanctification of body soul and spirit is followed by being preserved blameless.
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 8:28am On May 21, 2019
1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

Jude 1:21, 23-24 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 8:31am On May 21, 2019
God keeps the believer and the believer also keeps himself in the love of God.
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 8:32am On May 21, 2019
question is how does God keep the believer from falling away?
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 8:35am On May 21, 2019
was Judas iscariot saved?
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 8:39am On May 21, 2019
John 13:11
For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.

this verse was referring to Jusdas iscariot.
He was not clean because the word of Jesus had no place in him from the beginning

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Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 8:46am On May 21, 2019
Judas iscariot was never the sheep of Christ.
John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Re: Conditional Security Or Unconditional Security by Nobody: 12:17pm On May 21, 2019
scriptures supporting eternal security

John 10:27-29 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: (Read More...)

John 6:37 - All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 11:29 - For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.

Jude 1:24 - Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

1 John 5:13 - These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

2 Corinthians 1:22 - Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Romans 8:38-39 - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, (Read More...)

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Philippians 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:

1 John 5:10-13 - He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

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