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The Doctrine Of The Trinity: true or false? by BafanaBafana: 8:56am On Nov 01, 2019
The purpose of this writing is not for those who have no doubts about the Trinity. That is their fixed belief. Nothing we could say would penetrate their patriotic zeal for the Trinity. However, if you are one with gnawing doubts about it, and wish to satisfy your reason and heart, then this message may be very helpful.
The Christian Church started out exclusively Jewish and, as such, had a singular God. “The LORD our God is one LORD” is the basic concept of the Jewish faith (Deut. 6:4). In the fourth century, under Constantine (A.D. 325), the Nicene, or Semi-Trinitarian concept, was forged making Jesus and God one in substance. Then in the fifth century, the Athanasian, or Trinitarian Creed, came along, adding the holy Spirit, to complete the Trinity doctrine. Though called the Athanasian Creed, it is now generally admitted to have been composed by some other person. It is noteworthy that the word Trinity nowhere appears in the Bible. The formulators of the Athanasian Creed well knew they had to meet the singular requirement: “The Lord our God is one Lord” How could they make three persons into one? Some of the best minds forged this explanation—“There are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated; but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible.” It was an explanation that did not explain. With such incantation of words, they presented their case and, apparently, prevailed. They claimed the One God was three persons, yet only One God. No wonder they said it was “incomprehensible.”
The Trinity concept presented by Athanasius was essentially borrowed from other ancient religions. John Newton (Origin of Triads and Trinities) writes: “With the first glimpse of a distinct religion and worship among the most ancient races, we find them grouping their gods in triads.” He then proceeds to trace the strong Trinitarian beliefs which were common in ancient India, Egypt, and Babylon as examples.
Trinitarians hinge their argument on John 1:1, 2: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with [ton, the] God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with [ton, the] God.” Looking at the original manuscript however, a word-for-word Greek rendering of John 1:1, 2 is: “In [a] beginning [arche] was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and [a] God was the Word. This was in [a] beginning with the God.” Trinitarians tried to level the field by leaving out the article (ton) “the.” In the King James, as in many other translations, all references to God are equal to the English reader. You do not get the contrast between the emphasized God spoken of twice and the unemphasized God referring to the Logos. However, whatever John 1:1 proves, it does not mention the holy Spirit, and it fails to provide the third part necessary to support the Trinity. Trinitarians have combed through the Bible using every possible text to prove their point. In the overwhelming majority of texts used, you find them doing the same thing as in John 1:1, using arguments that God and Jesus are one, hoping we will not notice that none of their proof verses include the third part necessary – the holy Spirit. The idea is to get people so involved in the discussion that they will forget the holy Spirit is not mentioned. Therefore, the debate lacks the third part needed for rational proof. In order to prove the Trinity doctrine, it is necessary to find Biblical statements of the oneness of being of Father, Son and holy Spirit. Even if we could prove the Father and Son were one being, would it give us a Trinity?
The Trinity concept insists that Jesus had to be a God-man to be the Savior. If he was a mere man, they say, how could he take upon him the sin of the whole world? It sounds good to make such extravagant claims about Jesus. Generally, we cannot pay sufficient homage to our Savior for his great sacrifice, so why not go all out in our claims for him? To some extent that is how the Trinity was started, countering claims that Jesus was just a mere man. As the defense of our Savior was made, so the claims for him grew and became exaggerated – from being a perfect man and Son of God, until at last the ultimate claim was made that he was in fact God. Then followed the super patriotism and the cry “To the fire” with those who dare claim Jesus someone less than God. History records John Calvin burned (roasted) Michael Servetus at the stake for not believing the Trinity.
Jesus never said he was God
In Jesus’ illegal trial at night, while Peter was still there, they asked Jesus –“Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” And Jesus said, “I am” (Mark 14:61, 62). If Jesus was truly the Absolute God, didn’t Jesus owe them that information? The reason Jesus was crucified was because he was the “Christ, the Son of the Blessed.” If Jesus proclaimed himself to be Absolute God, they would have had a perfect right to put him to death according to their understanding of the Mosaic Law: “You shall have no other Gods before me” (Ex. 20:3). Oddly, they crucified Jesus for claiming to be the “Son of God,” exactly what he admitted being, while they themselves claimed, “We have one Father, even God” (John 8:41).



...to be continued

see part 2 https://www.nairaland.com/5507731/doctrine-trinity-2-jesus-god
Re: The Doctrine Of The Trinity: true or false? by Janosky: 9:47am On Nov 01, 2019
BafanaBafana:
The purpose of this writing is not for those who have no doubts about the Trinity. That is their fixed belief. Nothing we could say would penetrate their patriotic zeal for the Trinity. However, if you are one with gnawing doubts about it, and wish to satisfy your reason and heart, then this message may be very helpful.
The Christian Church started out exclusively Jewish and, as such, had a singular God. “The LORD our God is one LORD” is the basic concept of the Jewish faith (Deut. 6:4). In the fourth century, under Constantine (A.D. 325), the Nicene, or Semi-Trinitarian concept, was forged making Jesus and God one in substance. Then in the fifth century, the Athanasian, or Trinitarian Creed, came along, adding the holy Spirit, to complete the Trinity doctrine. Though called the Athanasian Creed, it is now generally admitted to have been composed by some other person. It is noteworthy that the word Trinity nowhere appears in the Bible. The formulators of the Athanasian Creed well knew they had to meet the singular requirement: “The Lord our God is one Lord” How could they make three persons into one? Some of the best minds forged this explanation—“There are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated; but one uncreated, and one incomprehensible.” It was an explanation that did not explain. With such incantation of words, they presented their case and, apparently, prevailed. They claimed the One God was three persons, yet only One God. No wonder they said it was “incomprehensible.”
The Trinity concept presented by Athanasius was essentially borrowed from other ancient religions. John Newton (Origin of Triads and Trinities) writes: “With the first glimpse of a distinct religion and worship among the most ancient races, we find them grouping their gods in triads.” He then proceeds to trace the strong Trinitarian beliefs which were common in ancient India, Egypt, and Babylon as examples.
Trinitarians hinge their argument on John 1:1, 2: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with [ton, the] God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with [ton, the] God.” Looking at the original manuscript however, a word-for-word Greek rendering of John 1:1, 2 is: “In [a] beginning [arche] was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and [a] God was the Word. This was in [a] beginning with the God.” Trinitarians tried to level the field by leaving out the article (ton) “the.” In the King James, as in many other translations, all references to God are equal to the English reader. You do not get the contrast between the emphasized God spoken of twice and the unemphasized God referring to the Logos. However, whatever John 1:1 proves, it does not mention the holy Spirit, and it fails to provide the third part necessary to support the Trinity. Trinitarians have combed through the Bible using every possible text to prove their point. In the overwhelming majority of texts used, you find them doing the same thing as in John 1:1, using arguments that God and Jesus are one, hoping we will not notice that none of their proof verses include the third part necessary – the holy Spirit. The idea is to get people so involved in the discussion that they will forget the holy Spirit is not mentioned. Therefore, the debate lacks the third part needed for rational proof. In order to prove the Trinity doctrine, it is necessary to find Biblical statements of the oneness of being of Father, Son and holy Spirit. Even if we could prove the Father and Son were one being, would it give us a Trinity?
The Trinity concept insists that Jesus had to be a God-man to be the Savior. If he was a mere man, they say, how could he take upon him the sin of the whole world? It sounds good to make such extravagant claims about Jesus. Generally, we cannot pay sufficient homage to our Savior for his great sacrifice, so why not go all out in our claims for him? To some extent that is how the Trinity was started, countering claims that Jesus was just a mere man. As the defense of our Savior was made, so the claims for him grew and became exaggerated – from being a perfect man and Son of God, until at last the ultimate claim was made that he was in fact God. Then followed the super patriotism and the cry “To the fire” with those who dare claim Jesus someone less than God. History records John Calvin burned (roasted) Michael Servetus at the stake for not believing the Trinity.
Jesus never said he was God
In Jesus’ illegal trial at night, while Peter was still there, they asked Jesus –“Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” And Jesus said, “I am” (Mark 14:61, 62). If Jesus was truly the Absolute God, didn’t Jesus owe them that information? The reason Jesus was crucified was because he was the “Christ, the Son of the Blessed.” If Jesus proclaimed himself to be Absolute God, they would have had a perfect right to put him to death according to their understanding of the Mosaic Law: “You shall have no other Gods before me” (Ex. 20:3). Oddly, they crucified Jesus for claiming to be the “Son of God,” exactly what he admitted being, while they themselves claimed, “We have one Father, even God” (John 8:41).



...to be continued
OP, you are 200% CORRECT !!!!!!!
Part 2, bring it on ........

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Re: The Doctrine Of The Trinity: true or false? by BafanaBafana: 7:22am On Nov 03, 2019
Janosky:

OP, you are 200% CORRECT !!!!!!!
Part 2, bring it on ........
see the second part
https://www.nairaland.com/5507731/doctrine-trinity-2-jesus-god#83697311

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Re: The Doctrine Of The Trinity: true or false? by johnmba: 7:34am On Nov 03, 2019
TRUE

I believe in one God the maker of heaven and earth and all things visible and invisible.

I believe in Jesus Christ His only son. Born of virgin Mary suffered died and was buried.

I believe in the Holy Spirit the Lord the giver of life. Who proceed from the father and the son

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