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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Emusan(m): 9:50pm On May 26, 2019
Maximus69:
Sir, it's up to you to decide what you will do about the whole issue.
I've decided and it's up to you to see whether you actually presenting the scripture of man ideology.

When Jesus said what was quoted at John 3:16, Nicodemus never started agitating in behalf of his group{Pharisees} instead he kept quiet and watch the outcome of Jesus' claim.
Another lie against scripture yet claiming to be the true follower of Christ

Christ has cleared Nicodemus mind and it was Nicodemus' encounter with Christ that brought fourth John 3:16

So why are you agitating on behalf of your grouphuh

For your information, Jesus' statement indicates that whoever wants to see God's favour{salvation} from any part of the earth must accept his teachings!
Now it's indicated not direct meaning which you've been using all this while....

Another scripture twisting...can you show us where Christ made that statement?


While Nicodemus, Joseph Arimatea and others from different nations were observing Jesus' words and agreed, majority of Bible carriers of his time were agitating in behalf of their various groups!
Are you no more a GROUP?
You see your life outside, others see themselves as Christ body but it's you who see yourself as a group...can you see the difference and how your statement rightly goes against you?

Please if you're truthful that this same tone is heard in other groups, then what is your headache as JWs are saying the same thing?
I only pointed out your hypocrisy, how you see some carrying Bible openly and saying s/he is a born again Christian as doing eyes service but you claiming up and down and turning yourself to God to have known that JWs are the only true followers Christ is right thing.


Well thanks anyway, i'm not ready to start arguing or trading words with you Sir, just say the same and allow observers to do their research.
Hypocrite! What have you been doing if you're not ready to argue?

But know one thing: YOU CAN'T DICTATE WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T SAY WHEN ALL THE OTHERS HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, EXPRESSION AND WORSHIP! Act 5:27-29
You've repeated this same stupid statement once again.

Who is dictatinghuh

Pointing out your hypocrisy is now dictating to you....
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 10:03pm On May 26, 2019
Emusan:
Who asked you story?



Now another boasting statement, are you God to have known this?

Yet their organization is full of lies and hypocrisy!



I'm not here to present any group just like there were no group during early church...i will only tell you what scripture demanded from us:

"Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Phi 2:12 NWT

"KJV 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."




So it's no more what scripture says but what your shallow brain feels.

Where was it written in the scripture that the body of Christ will be ONE GROUP?



All these just because your organization kicked against politics yet from scripture the most powerful tools Satan uses are to raise false teachers, persecutors against the body of Christ e.t.c but you just puff out something that wasn't established in the scripture just to massage your doctrinal ego.



Liars....after claiming to be the one doing the will of Christ yet you can lie against the same Christ by saying what He didn't say.

Even scripture says judgement will begin in His own house....

If Christ has actually destroyed such, why must judgement begin in the House that Christ has built by himself?

Are you still saying, is this same ONE TRUE GROUP that judgement of Christ will start from!

You people lack scriptural understanding but only quick to defend organization while dying spiritualy.
OK!
You're
Not ready to consider the presentation of others!
Not ready to present any group even yours for scrutiny!
Not ready to investigate matters for certainty!
Only ready for arguments. embarassed embarassed embarassed
Well sorry to disappoint you Sir, i'm not a parrot that feels like throwing words into the air without motives, therefore i don't have any reason to chat with you!
Farewell! smiley smiley smiley
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Emusan(m): 10:18pm On May 26, 2019
Maximus69:
Na wah o!
Come and see agitation for goodness sake.

Well you've just heard what over 8,000,000 people from all races throughout the globe believes and saying!

So your furious agitation, bitterness of heart and scriptural quotation WITHOUT any practical applications can't stop them from saying it both in words and actions.
Good night Sir! undecided
Now you called this agitation and quoting scripture without practical applications?

Are you God to have known this?

There are millions of missionaries all over the world today doing great works for Christ that many JWs can't even match and what scripture says is that if you're named with the name of Christ depart from iniquities....but you say you must belong to an organization...

Just because you've been brainwashed by watchtower to only reason that no one except JWs practice what they preach is the most stupid of it all.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Emusan(m): 10:44pm On May 26, 2019
TATIME:
OK!
You're
Not ready to consider the presentation of others!
Not ready to present any group even yours for scrutiny!
Not ready to investigate matters for certainty!
Only ready for arguments. embarassed embarassed embarassed
Well sorry to disappoint you Sir, i'm not a parrot that feels like throwing words into the air without motives, therefore i don't have any reason to chat with you!
Farewell! smiley smiley smiley
People who have been discussing with JWs here are all using scripture because that's where true Christians find their truth.

I asked you to show us from the scripture where it was written that the body of Christ will be one group, you couldn't!

I asked you the scripture says judgement will begin in the house of God, why? After all you said, "In the midst of TRUE worshipers, Jesus have destroyed such indomitable missiles! Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-3"

Why would judgement begin from the house of God if God has already established ONE TRUE GROUPhuh

You're busy defending a group when you actually lack scriptural understanding of the Salvation of your soul.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 7:23am On May 27, 2019
Emusan:
People who have been discussing with JWs here are all using scripture because that's where true Christians find their truth.
I asked you to show us from the scripture where it was written that the body of Christ will be one group, you couldn't!
I asked you the scripture says judgement will begin in the house of God, why? After all you said, "In the midst of TRUE worshipers, Jesus have destroyed such indomitable missiles! Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-3"
Why would judgement begin from the house of God if God has already established ONE TRUE GROUPhuh
You're busy defending a group when you actually lack scriptural understanding of the Salvation of your soul.
Good morning Sir, Your two questions!
(1) Spiritual blindness, if you grasp the meaning you will SEE that a Body do have parts as in body member[Romans 12:5] which must have vivid effect positively or negatively in any community you finds them! The Body of Christ is what the book of ACT is all about and any sincere individual will know that it couldn't have been divers religious groups each confused and lured into attacking and killing their OWN members with Satan's weapons 'Politics and Racism'! Act 6:1 compared to Galatians 2:11-16
(2)Yes! The judgement has begun already but many wouldn't notice it[ Matthew 17:10-12] Jesus came (in Spirit) and started cleansing the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE [JW organization] it started taking a new shape so that those who aren't fitting for everlasting life dropped out of the organization [ 1John 2:15-19] and millions of those disposed for life flew in! Act 13:48
That is why you're noticing a lot of changes in the organization and many who aren't REAL sheep are walking away! John 6:60-69
Soon Jesus will finish the separating of all his sheep from the goats on earth{Matthew 25:31-46 compared to Revelations 18:4} he will gather fine seeds into one GROUP and burn up all the useless GROUPS of weeds! Matthew 13:24-30
This is what intelligent individuals with foresight like EAGLES are grasping that made us to leave you in your worthless religious groups and join JWs [ Matthew 24:23-28]
Whoever has hears let him listen now! Mark 4:23 wink
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 10:07am On May 27, 2019
Maximus69:
Good morning Sir, Your two questions!
(1) Spiritual blindness, if you grasp the meaning you will SEE that a Body do have parts as in body member[Romans 12:5] which must have vivid effect positively or negatively in any community you finds them! The Body of Christ is what the book of ACT is all about and any sincere individual will know that it couldn't have been divers religious groups each confused and lured into attacking and killing their OWN members with Satan's weapons 'Politics and Racism'! Act 6:1 compared to Galatians 2:11-16
(2)Yes! The judgement has begun already but many wouldn't notice it[ Matthew 17:10-12] Jesus came (in Spirit) and started cleansing the SPIRITUAL TEMPLE [JW organization] it started taking a new shape so that those who aren't fitting for everlasting life dropped out of the organization [ 1John 2:15-19] and millions of those disposed for life flew in! Act 13:48
That is why you're noticing a lot of changes in the organization and many who aren't REAL sheep are walking away! John 6:60-69
Soon Jesus will finish the separating of all his sheep from the goats on earth{Matthew 25:31-46 compared to Revelations 18:4} he will gather fine seeds into one GROUP and burn up all the useless GROUPS of weeds! Matthew 13:24-30
This is what intelligent individuals with foresight like EAGLES are grasping that made us to leave you in your worthless religious groups and join JWs [ Matthew 24:23-28]
Whoever has hears let him listen now! Mark 4:23 wink
Thanks my brother!
It's just awful seeing people agitating against their fellowman for taking the initiative for a change.
The problem most of them have is the strong ties with their families, cultures, traditions and hobbies. So when they now see someone who can give away all those for the sake of some beliefs, they're puzzled and they began hating such a person for no just cause!
They're thinking it is just easy to become and remain a Christian without making sacrifices in form of necessary changes! smiley smiley smiley
No wonder many of their friends who were formerly with us but couldn't stand the trend in making the changes also hate the organization,as what the norms they knew before as Jehovah's Witnesses takes new forms! undecided undecided undecided
Well until they understand that Jesus' death is not the only criteria for their salvation but their willingness to conform to whatever the son tells us will be accepted by His father! embarassed embarassed embarassed
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Barristter07:
shadeyinka:
@Barristter07 @CAPTIVTOR

My Conclusion:
It had been a waste of time conversing with you both because you neither read nor reason with the Scriptures.

One day, you both shall step out of your body and you'll wish you had looked closely at what the Scriptures really teach about Resurection of the dead and Salvation.

And by the grace of God, I am free of your blood as I have shown you Scriptures upon Scriptures with reasonings to back them up.

Except a man is Born Again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

If God isn't the God of the dead but of the living, when you die, you are simply not His as you have desired. You are banking on good works to save you when you die and discover that Hell is real. Continue! Your believe will set you free if it can!

Till another thread if you can only converse reasonably!
Good day.!

At your leisure time continue to consider Matt 10:28 body and soul together with the fact that the rich man hasn't yet have a spiritual body. So he is physical. And ask yourself : *then why am I denying Jesus words that Body and soul in hell when in fact a story picture a man present in physical body ?*

When pondering don't change Jesus words from hell in your KJV to Lake of fire. Both are different.

Probably you can come to realize The Fraud called Hell doctrine and realize the scripture never even support the falsehood been peddled around in the name of hell teaching


- For Revelation 20:13 where you twist immortal soul into Hell releasing the dead. Its a shame, if hell release souls and they are termed dead . that means Soul died just like the body.

- For Born again, I maintain that what is born of spirit is Spirit. No one has a spiritual body like God presently, its a hope for Born agains

- for other areas, I know you have grabbed one or two things _ when Jesus mention God has God of the living, you and I know he was speaking on the subject of RESSURECTION.

My dear, Enjoy your day.

if When a man dies, only the body dies [ you will agree body died means body experience an opposite of life , true meaning of physical death] , it means Jesus never died , he only shed his body

This is a food for thought for anyone reading the thread
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Barristter07: 10:24am On May 27, 2019
solite3:
I read from the kjv and it says God is a Spirit not God is Spirit which from is more clear.

There is something called contextual meaning, such that if removing or adding a word to a statement or sentence changes its overall meaning automatically.

Please book mark this because you are going to need latter

So my statement remain intact
John 3 said he that is born of the spirit is spirit not a spirit or will be spirit.
U keep changing statement , you said it remain intact . Yamayama grin

Are you a spirit being ? @ bold .

( Note don't give me that fake spirit in a body theory, as this would imply that all humans on earth including those not Christians are Born again )
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Barristter07: 10:39am On May 27, 2019
Emusan:
He is the word of God before entered creation as the Son of God.
While you didn't air your view on Word of God .. Either it means a person with that name or just the pronouncement from God's mouth. I will let it slide for now

Your view on Galatians 4:4

" But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent his son , who was born of a woman "

Question:

Whom did God sent to be born of a woman?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 11:31am On May 27, 2019
solite3:
I know you cant comprehend it.

that is not what I meant by the laws of that governs the natural man.

For example a natural man cannot understand the things of the spirit but a spiritual man can. A natural man lives to perish but a spiritual man lives on.
You claimed you're NOT subject to the laws that govern natural man", now you're singing a different tune.

A spiritual man who understands things of the spirit is not subject to laws that govern natural man?
Solite3 solite3 Solite3 !!!!
Na how many times I call your NL name ?

Pls behave !!!!!
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 11:45am On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
I don't agree with the bolded. Besides, do you believe the Bible (a collection of 66 books decided by the council of Nicea) is the COMPLETE WORD OF GOD?
Name the other "Word(s) of God not included or were left out of the Bible's 66 books.
Or you mean those 16th and 17th century Apocryphal books ?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m):
Janosky:
Name the other "Word(s) of God not included or were left out of the Bible's 66 books.
Or you mean those 16th and 17th century Apocryphal books ?
The Apocryphal books, The dead sea scrolls, The book of Jasher (The book of Joshua made reference to this book in Joshua 10 v 13), The Shepherd of Hemas, The book of Enoch, e.t.c.

Take the book of Enoch for example, Jude (the younger brother of Jesus) made reference to it in his gospel.

Why would these books also not qualify as the Word(s) of God? is it because of the decisions of the council of Nicaea?






I also find it funny how an erotic book like the songs of solomon would be defended by Christians as an inspired word of God, but the above books are discarded because they weren't included in the Bible...
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Emusan(m): 12:29pm On May 27, 2019
Barristter07:
While you didn't air your view on Word of God .. Either it means a person with that name or just the pronouncement from God's mouth. I will let it slide for now

Your view on Galatians 4:4

" But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent his son , who was born of a woman "

Question:

Whom did God sent to be born of a woman?
I know you lack simple comprehension, so I'm not surprised!

God sent His Son!
The Son was born of a woman...

"God sent forth his Son - Him who came immediately from God himself, made of a woman, according to the promise, Genesis 3:15; produced by the power of God in the womb of the Virgin Mary without any intervention of man; hence he was called the Son of God. See Luke 1:35, and the note there." - Adam Clarke's Commentary

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:35 KJV

Do you understand this verse especially the @underlined?

I'll soon turn this around so that you'll know what you're dealing with but let's continue first.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 12:57pm On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
I also find it funny how an erotic book like the songs of solomon would be defended by Christians as an inspired word of God, but the above books are discarded because they weren't included in the Bible...
You only need to ask thought provoking questions on the significance of the Songs of Solomon as included in the inspired scriptures thought to be 'beneficial for reproving, teaching, setting matters straight and discipline in righteousness...so that a man of God may be fully competent and completely equipped for every good work' 2Timothy 3:16-17
Just ask the TRUE Christians[Jehovah's Witnesses] who were given the power of God's holy spirit to understand all sacred secrets in this time of the end. That's all! smiley
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 1:04pm On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
The Apocryphal books, The dead sea scrolls, The book of Jasher (The book of Joshua made reference to this book in Joshua 10 v 13), The Shepherd of Hemas, The book of Enoch, e.t.c.

Take the book of Enoch for example, Jude (the younger brother of Jesus) made reference to it in his gospel.

Why would these books also not qualify as the Word(s) of God? is it because of the decisions of the council of Nicaea?






I also find it funny how an erotic book like the songs of solomon would be defended by Christians as an inspired word of God, but the above books are discarded because they weren't included in the Bible...
Why not just ask? Matthew 7:7-8 compared to Proverbs 2:1-5
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 1:04pm On May 27, 2019
TATIME:
You only need to ask thought provoking questions on the significance of the Songs of Solomon as included in the inspired scriptures thought to be 'beneficial for reproving, teaching, setting matters straight and discipline in righteousness...so that a man of God may be fully competent and completely equipped for every good work' 2Timothy 3:16-17
Just ask the TRUE Christians[Jehovah's Witnesses] who were given the power of God's holy spirit to understand all sacred secrets in this time of the end. That's all! smiley
You didn't address the queries I raised about the other books...

Besides, why is Songs of Solomon one of the least quoted books of the bible?

What is divinely inspirational in erotic poetry? For example;

Songs of Solomon 7 v 1-4;

1.How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman.
2 Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies.
3 Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.
4 Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.


On what basis is Songs of Solomon included in the bible...but the book of Jasher, Enoch and the others I mentioned earlier are now excluded?

Again, I ask... IS THE BIBLE THE COMPLETE WORD OF GOD?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 1:09pm On May 27, 2019
Maximus69:
Why not just ask? Matthew 7:7-8 compared to Proverbs 2:1-5
Let me post those verses here, then help me connect the dots on how that answers my question;

Proverbs 2 v 1-5;
1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.

Matthew 7 v 7-8;
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.




Sir, how do the above verses explain why the book of Jasher, the book of Enoch, the dead sea scrolls, the shepherd of Hemas e.t.c. were discarded from the bible?

Or why an erotic poetry like Songs of Solomon is seen as an inspired word of God and included in the Bible?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 1:47pm On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
I also find it funny how an erotic book like the songs of solomon would be defended by Christians as an inspired word of God, but the above books are discarded because they weren't included in the Bible...
The Songs will help a Christian to know the power of sexual attraction between two opposite sex!
So if you're contemplating marriage as a man/woman, you must work as in THOROUGH consideration on the attraction found in your prospective spouse before saying 'i do' Ecclesiastes 5:2
If his/her physic doesn't measure up to your taste!
If you're not really attracted to him/her!
If you don't find his/her postures/gestures appealing!
If his/her dressing and grooming lacks what you want!
Please Please Please don't tie the nut with him/her!
Because if you do, you'll soon finds out that you did so out of foresight! 1Corinthians 7:36
So even if you're not a good poet or singer, there will always be erotic songs secretly ringing in you heart for him/her{Songs 7:1-13 } moving you to say 'i love you'! smiley
That is why most marriages are breaking up today because there is no more EROTIC feelings to strengthen the bond between the sons of Adam and daughters of Eve! Genesis 2:23-24
But the children of our God who made us male and female shouldn't lack the wisdom or key to secret of everlasting matrimonial bliss ! Psalms 23:1
Instead of prayerfully considering the 'Songs of Solomon' most religious groups have turned their women into wailers as they're always looking like those mourning, hence their husbands finds no more attraction in them!
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 1:58pm On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
Let me post those verses here, then help me connect the dots on how that answers my question;

Proverbs 2 v 1-5;
1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.

Matthew 7 v 7-8;
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.




Sir, how do the above verses explain why the book of Jasher, the book of Enoch, the dead sea scrolls, the shepherd of Hemas e.t.c. were discarded from the bible?

Or why an erotic poetry like Songs of Solomon is seen as an inspired word of God and included in the Bible?
Jehovah is the Author of the Bible and he knows exactly how many books needed to make us a happy global family of worshipers. So if those books were part of his inspired words having worthwhile info for our benefits, no council or committee will be able to remove them!
As for the Songs of Solomon, TRUE Christians are making use of it in full. That is why throughout the earth people can testify that Jehovah's Witnesses knows the weight of the MARRIAGE VOWS!
And our men and women keep their looks in good condition to the extent they can always afford! wink

Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 1:59pm On May 27, 2019
Maximus69:
Instead of prayerfully considering the 'Songs of Solomon' most religious groups have turned their women into wailers as they're always looking like those mourning, hence their husbands finds no more attraction in them!
You got my rib cracking with this comment cheesy cheesy cheesy


What are the explanations if any for the other books I mentioned about being excluded from the bible.

Are they not divinely inspired? Especially considering Jude quoted from the book of Enoch Or the book of Joshua made reference to the book of Jasher?

Is the Bible the complete word of God?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 2:01pm On May 27, 2019
Maximus69:
Jehovah is the Author of the Bible and he knows exactly how many books needed to make us a happy global family of worshipers. So if those books were part of his inspired words having worthwhile info for our benefits, no council or committee will be able to remove them!
As for the Songs of Solomon, TRUE Christians are making us of it in full. That is why throughout the earth people can testify that Jehovah's Witnesses knows the weight of the MARRIAGE VOWS!
And our men and women keep their looks in good condition to the extent they can always afford! wink
Jehovah is the author of the Bible? as in those compilation of books came directly by fax from heaven?

Was it Jehovah that compiled the collection of books that made the Bible? Or was it the council of Nicaea?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody:
OkCornel:
Jehovah is the author of the Bible? as in those compilation of books came directly by fax from heaven?

Was it Jehovah that compiled the collection of books that made the Bible? Or was it the council of Nicaea?
That is why i often tells whoever wants to argue about the Bible to go out there and WORK for God!
Let those who feels those books should be included in God's inspired word, study the books and apply what they learn from it!
The practical will justify the theory! cheesy
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 2:19pm On May 27, 2019
Maximus69:
That is why i often tells whoever wants to argue about the Bible to go out there and WORK for God!
Let those who feels those books should be included in God's inspired word, study the books and apply what they learn from it!
The practical will justify the theory! cheesy
Quite a diplomatic and political answer...

It is very easy for a typical Christian to defend why Songs of Solomon would be included in the Bible. It's all mental conditioning. Had it been the council of Nicaea excluded it, Christians would easily dismiss such a book for "inspiring lust and erotic desires".... but now it is included the bible... oh well, it has to be defended by all means necessary...
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 2:40pm On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
Quite a diplomatic and political answer...

It is very easy for a typical Christian to defend why Songs of Solomon would be included in the Bible. It's all mental conditioning. Had it been the council of Nicaea excluded it, Christians would easily dismiss such a book for "inspiring lust and erotic desires".... but now it is included the bible... oh well, it has to be defended by all means necessary...
Jehovah's Witnesses are the ONE and ONLY Christian group and they've approved just 66 books!
So all you need to do is tell the group who feels those two other books should be included to WORK zealously and industriously like Jehovah's Witnesses.
*Come out publicly to speak with people!
*Preach and teach with the books!
*Practice what they've learnt from the books!
I'm 100% sure that honesthearted individuals will SEE the benefits of what they're presenting and join you in proclaiming the EXTRA missing books! wink
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 3:01pm On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
Quite a diplomatic and political answer...

It is very easy for a typical Christian to defend why Songs of Solomon would be included in the Bible. It's all mental conditioning. Had it been the council of Nicaea excluded it, Christians would easily dismiss such a book for "inspiring lust and erotic desires".... but now it is included the bible... oh well, it has to be defended by all means necessary...
DIPLOMATIC? huh POLITICAL? huh
Well our Master, Lord and King is the world's greatest diplomat ever! Just consider few of His response to critics~ Matthew 19:3-9, 22:15-22, Luke 5:33-35
He is also the one coming to RULE the world and under His government nobody dare play pranks with Him! Isaiah 9:6, Daniel 2:44
His own strategy of winning voters is the most effective of all!
LOOK! He already have over 8,000,000 subjects under his control even while Satan is still ruling the remaining close to 9,000,000,000! 1John 5:19
Soon He will arrest Satan and other spirit forces supporting Satan{demons} Revelations 12:7-9
And destroy all those who failed to IDENTIFY the group under His control including those who knew but refuse to subject themselves to His system of GOVERNMENT! Luke 19:27 wink
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 3:05pm On May 27, 2019
TATIME:
DIPLOMATIC? huh POLITICAL? huh
Well our Master, Lord and King is the world's greatest diplomat ever! Just consider few of His response to critics~ Matthew 19:3-9, 22:15-22, Luke 5:33-35
He is also the one coming to RULE the world and under His government nobody dare play pranks with Him! Isaiah 9:6, Daniel 2:44
His own strategy of winning voters is the most effective of all!
LOOK! He already have over 8,000,000 subjects under his control even while Satan is still ruling the remaining close to 9,000,000,000! 1John 5:19
Soon He will arrest Satan and other spirit forces supporting Satan{demons} Revelations 12:7-9
And destroy all those who failed to IDENTIFY the group under His control including those who knew but refuse to subject themselves to His system of GOVERNMENT! Luke 19:27 wink
How does this address how Songs of Solomon which is an erotic poetry being considered as a divinely inspired book, but the book of Enoch which talks about the heavens, fallen angels and prophecies concerning the end of the world being discarded from the Bible? OR

Why the book of Jasher which was referenced in the book of Joshua being left out?


Is the Bible as we know it the complete word of God?
Did the early church limit their study of the scriptures to 66 books of the Bible as we know it today?



Stop dodging these questions please...
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 3:22pm On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
You got my rib cracking with this comment cheesy cheesy cheesy
What are the explanations if any for the other books I mentioned about being excluded from the bible.
Are they not divinely inspired? Especially considering Jude quoted from the book of Enoch Or the book of Joshua made reference to the book of Jasher?
Is the Bible the complete word of God?
There is an epidemic! embarassed
Most people were infected and their number is rapidly on the increase. Many researchers are battling with lots and lots of THEORIES to stop its spread and heal the infected ones, but none came up with any tangible solution neither an effective antidote. embarassed
Then a pharmacist came, entered the same laboratory that all the other researchers have been working hard and produced an antidote which is curing all those who takes the right dosage. smiley
But a certain pharmacist now stands objecting to the components of the medicine, insisting that it still lacks TWO other ingredients! undecided
Please what would you say to the one objecting? cheesy
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 3:27pm On May 27, 2019
Maximus69:
There is an epidemic! embarassed
Most people were infected and their number is rapidly on the increase. Many researchers are battling with lots and lots of THEORIES to stop its spread and heal the infected ones, but none came up with any tangible solution neither an effective antidote. embarassed
Then a pharmacist came, entered the same laboratory that all the other researchers have been working hard and produced an antidote which is curing all those who takes the right dosage. smiley
But a certain pharmacist now stands objecting to the components of the medicine, insisting that it still lacks TWO other ingredients! undecided
Please what would you say to the one objecting? cheesy
This your parable doesn't answer the questions I've been asking all the while.

Is the 66 books of the Bible the complete word of God? Yes or No

Going back to your parable, will the Pharmacist with the working antidote be hesitant to make his antidote more potent resulting in quicker recovery rates of those infected if he/she finds extra materials? Yes or No



I don't think anyone is honest enough or ready to address this matter head on...

Religion versus Truth...
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 3:33pm On May 27, 2019
Maximus69:
There is an epidemic! embarassed
Most people were infected and their number is rapidly on the increase. Many researchers are battling with lots and lots of THEORIES to stop its spread and heal the infected ones, but none came up with any tangible solution neither an effective antidote. embarassed
Then a pharmacist came, entered the same laboratory that all the other researchers have been working hard and produced an antidote which is curing all those who takes the right dosage. smiley
But a certain pharmacist now stands objecting to the components of the medicine, insisting that it still lacks TWO other ingredients! undecided
Please what would you say to the one objecting? cheesy
Walahi Talahi Maximus won't kill critics with his indisputable illustration! cheesy cheesy cheesy
Of course i will tell him to produce his own medicine or better still add the missing TWO ingredients to his own product and administer it on the infected ones, so that if they're as healed as those using the first working antidote, we will all know that both of them are right! And if his own cures faster then everyone will switch to his own!
Please where is OkCornel? grin grin grin
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 3:37pm On May 27, 2019
TATIME:
Walahi Talahi Maximus won't kill critics with his indisputable illustration! cheesy cheesy cheesy
Of course i will tell him to produce his own medicine or better still add the missing TWO ingredients to his own product and administer it on the infected ones, so that if they're as healed as those using the first working antidote, we will all know that both of them are right! And if his own cures faster then everyone will switch to his own!
Please where is OkCornel? grin grin grin
I am here...


Any answers? Is the Bible the COMPLETE WORD OF GOD? Yes or No...

Did the early church limit their study of the scriptures to 66 books as the believers of today do? Yes or No...


A direct answer won't kill you @TATIME or @maximus69.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 3:49pm On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
This your parable doesn't answer the questions I've been asking all the while.
Is the 66 books of the Bible the complete word of God? Yes or No
Going back to your parable, will the Pharmacist with the working antidote be hesitant to make his antidote more potent resulting in quicker recovery rates of those infected if he/she finds extra materials? Yes or No
I don't think anyone is honest enough or ready to address this matter head on...
Religion versus Truth...
Well there is no right thinking pharmacist that will add or subtract one ingredient from the components of an existing drug that has been TESTED and TRUTED! wink
Moreover there is no sane pharmacist that will stand to raise any objection against a PROVED solution, rather he will QUIETLY go and produce his own to prove he knows better! cheesy
What Jesus said is 'you will know the truth and the truth will set you free' John 8:32
So if you count Jehovah's Witnesses organization along with religion, surely you know the truth is somewhere hidden. cool
Please apply your newly FOUND truth and let us SEE the benefits or how it works on those accepting it. Period! cheesy
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 3:50pm On May 27, 2019
OkCornel:
I am here...
Any answers? Is the Bible the COMPLETE WORD OF GOD? Yes or No...
Did the early church limit their study of the scriptures to 66 books as the believers of today do? Yes or No...
A direct answer won't kill you @TATIME or @maximus69.
Suit yourself Sir! cheesy
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