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Maximus69:
Well there is no right thinking pharmacist that will add or subtract one ingredient from the components of an existing drug that has been TESTED and TRUTED!
Moreover there is no sane pharmacist that will stand to raise any objection against a PROVED solution, rather he will QUIETLY go and produce his own to prove he knows better!
What Jesus said is 'you will know the truth and the truth will set you free' John 8:32
So if you count Jehovah's Witnesses organization along with religion, surely you know the truth is somewhere hidden.
Please apply your newly FOUND truth and let us SEE the benefits or how it works on those accepting it. Period!

Is the Bible the COMPLETE WORD OF GOD? Yes or No.

Did the early church limit their study of the scriptures like the 66 books of today? Yes or No

Simple and straightforward answers... Yes or No. No need to be defensive...

OkCornel:
Is the Bible the COMPLETE WORD OF GOD? Yes or No.

Did the early church limit their study of the scriptures like the 66 books of today? Yes or No

Simple and straightforward answers... Yes or No. No need to be defensive...

You're eager to get a YES! or NO! not willing to act on the existing books but demanding for more!
Well before i answer you, can you answer these few questions the way and manner you're eagerly anticipating our response regarding your questions.
(1)Are you a Christian? YES or NO
(2)What is the name of your religious group?
(3)What is the name of the book they believe?
You'll get my YES or NO right away if you answer these questions!

Maximus69:
You're eager to get a YES! or NO! not willing to act on the existing books but demanding for more!
Well before i answer you, can you answer these few questions the way and manner you're eagerly anticipating our response regarding your questions.
(1)Are you a Christian? YES or NO
(2)What is the name of your religious group?
(3)What is the name of the book they believe?
You'll get my YES or NO right away if you answer these questions!

Same old deflection strategy. Who asked a question here first?

And how did you jump to the speedy conclusion that no one here except JW is acting on the existing books?

I take it that you have no reasonable answers to the questions I asked else, you won't be beating around the bush with parables and counter-questions...


1) Is the Bible THE COMPLETE WORD OF GOD? Yes or No

2) Did the Early Church/believers limit their study of the scriptures to only 66 books? Yes or No


I will answer your questions when you have answered mine. Basic courtesy demands that is how it should be done.

John 21 v 25;
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.

@maximus69, do you have this verse in the NWT Bible?

This one is just concerning the acts of Jesus. Not to mention other books that were discarded.

An erotic poem is suddenly a divinely inspired book because it's part of the collection of 66 books... but other books like Jasher and Enoch that were referenced by the same Bible (Joshua and Jude)... discarded. I just wonder why...

OkCornel:
Same old deflection strategy. Who asked a question here first?
And how did you jump to the speedy conclusion that no one here except JW is acting on the existing books?
I take it that you have no reasonable answers to the questions I asked else you won't be beating around the bush with parables and counter-questions...
1) Is the Bible THE COMPLETE WORD OF GOD?
2) Did the Early Church/believers limit their study of the scriptures to only 66 books?
I will answer your questions when you have answered mine. That is how it should be done.

OK oooooooo!
Well i don't feel obliged to ANSWER you, so keep your questions while i'll gladly keep mine! Mark 12:27-33

Maximus69:
OK oooooooo!
Well i don't feel obliged to ANSWER you, so keep your questions while i'll gladly keep mine! Mark 12:27-33

DIPLOMACY!
Jesus and His TRUE followers!
Bravo Maximus, Bravo!

Maximus69:
OK oooooooo!
Well i don't feel obliged to ANSWER you, so keep your questions while i'll gladly keep mine! Mark 12:27-33

And the dodging game continues.

Religion and Traditions can never be as pure as the Truth...

TATIME:
DIPLOMACY!
Jesus and His TRUE followers!
Bravo Maximus, Bravo!

Yeah...Diplomacy... more like playing the Ostrich...

Bravo...


Had a nice discussion with you and @maximus69. Was worth the time...

OkCornel:
Yeah...Diplomacy... more like playing the Ostrich...

Bravo...


Had a nice discussion with you and @maximus69. Was worth the time...

Maximus69:

lol...you and this your winking smiley ehn...

OkCornel:
lol...you and this your winking smiley ehn...

Emusan:
I know you lack simple comprehension, so I'm not surprised!

God sent His Son!
The Son was born of a woman...

"God sent forth his Son - Him who came immediately from God himself, made of a woman, according to the promise, Genesis 3:15; produced by the power of God in the womb of the Virgin Mary without any intervention of man; hence he was called the Son of God. See Luke 1:35, and the note there." - Adam Clarke's Commentary

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Luke 1:35 KJV

Do you understand this verse especially the @underlined?

I'll soon turn this around so that you'll know what you're dealing with but let's continue first.

Exactly, how this is a rebuttal of that Galatians 4:4 , I still don't get ? It only complements the fact that the one who was sent is a son of God. Unless you want to deny his prehuman existence .

Galatians 4:4 said God sent his son., born of woman.

Emphasis on " SENT "

the sending was before the human birth !


" I speak the things I have seen while with my father " John 8:38

" the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak ... So whatever I speak, I speak Just as the Father has told me " John 12:49,50


At the point of been sent and instructed on what to say and speak , he was with the Father as a Son .

Barristter07:
Exactly, how this is a rebuttal of that Galatians 4:4 , I still don't get ? It only complements the fact that the one who was sent is a son of God. Unless you want to deny his prehuman existence .

Galatians 4:4 said God sent his son., born of woman.

Emphasis on " SENT "

the sending was before the human birth !


" I speak the things I have seen while with my father " John 8:38

" the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak ... So whatever I speak, I speak Just as the Father has told me " John 12:49,50


At the point of been sent and instructed on what to say and speak , he was with the Father as a Son .

You didn't address Luke 1:35, why? Because you know that's where you got understanding of "SENT" wrong.

The angel told Mary "...therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God"

Do you understand this?
If you don't, then it will be hard for you to comprehend while scripture always talks about Jesus as being SENT.

"Therefore also that holy thing (or person) - shall be called the Son of God - We may plainly perceive here, that the angel does not give the appellation of Son of God to the Divine nature of Christ; but to that holy person or thing "το ἁγιον" which was to be born of the virgin, by the energy of the Holy Spirit..." Adam Clarke's Commentrary

Now have you found out when scripture is talking about Jesus before He became part of creation and after He entered creation?

Emusan:
Now, is it only JWs that has these 4 qualities among different denominations all over the world?

Also, are you saying it's only POLITICS AND RACISM that generate hatred?

Mr Emusan, i know you are always against Jehovah's Witnesses using the practical applications of what is written in the Bible to present ourselves as the ONE and ONLY Christian group worldwide.
Well i screenshot this from an ongoing thread on NL and i will like you to explain what is happening here!
It's like a so called born again Pastor is implanting DEEPER hatred in the minds of his followers against other without any practical application!

Maximus69:
i know you are always against Jehovah's Witnesses using the practical applications of what is written in the Bible to present ourselves as the ONE and ONLY Christian group worldwide.

I'm still waiting for you to show me where it is written in the scripture as a proof for your "only one group".
Yet you're lying of "using practical applications of what is written in the Bible"

Well i screenshot this from an ongoing thread on NL and i will like you to explain what is happening here!
It's like a so called born again Pastor is implanting DEEPER hatred in the minds of his followers against other without any practical application!

So in essence what you're saying is that the so called born again pastor and your watchtower are the same.

From the screenshot, the two people discussing were not an actual members of Deeper life....for you to justify your claim, give us where any member of Deeper life made such claim or a message from their leader or their publications.

Imagine, if someone draws his conclusion about your organization based on what two non JWs are discussing without fact.

Lastly, if their members made such claim in my presence or on NL, my own is to show them from the scripture that they are wrong.

Barristter07:
U keep changing statement , you said it remain intact . Yamayama

Are you a spirit being ? @ bold .

( Note don't give me that fake spirit in a body theory, as this would imply that all humans on earth including those not Christians are Born again )

Go back and read again
what do you mean by a spirit being?
Did Jesus say he that is born of the spirit is a spirit being?
does it make sense context wise?

if you take being born by the spirit to mean one becomes a spirit being then you must think to be born of the spirit is literally giving birth.

but no Jesus did not mean that the spirit give birth to a spirit being.

Emusan:
I'm still waiting for you to show me where it is written in the scripture as a proof for your "only one group".
Yet you're lying of "using practical applications of what is written in the Bible"
So in essence what you're saying is that the so called born again pastor and your watchtower are the same.
From the screenshot, the two people discussing were not an actual members of Deeper life....for you to justify your claim, give us where any member of Deeper life made such claim or a message from their leader or their publications.
Imagine, if someone draws his conclusion about your organization based on what two non JWs are discussing without fact.
Lastly, if their members made such claim in my presence or on NL, my own is to show them from the scripture that they are wrong.

Hmmm,
So what you're saying now is that the one posting that hateful comment isn't a member of deeperlife, yet he/she typed such with so much conviction!
Emusan! Emusan!! Emusan!!! Why do you love arguing blindly?
Would you prefer if we present this for other followers to share their views on the post?
Well you can show her from the scriptures that they are wrong, but know one thing today: Kumuyi will not voice out for people to hold him by his comment yet you will SEE the teachings in the lifestyle and attitude of his followers. Jesus the one you claim to be following said 'out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks' Luke 6:45
You may continue deceiving yourself but it's obvious that the dubious man knows how to implant hatred in the minds of those CONTRIBUTING money in his purse against others!
On the contrary Jehovah's Witnesses are friendly neighbours who will chat, play, eat, drink, dance and join other people in wholesome social gatherings. The only thing that separate us from all other people like a huge fence is anything having to do with WORSHIP!
So register that in your heart!

That's the hypocrisy I use to talk about JWs.
From the screenshot, what those people are saying is that "so far you're not a Deeper life members you're going to hell" but see how you twisted and deviated from what you posted by yourself.

Maximus69:
Hmmm,
So what you're saying now is that the one posting that hateful comment isn't a member of deeperlife, yet he/she typed such with so much conviction!

Provide the evidence that they were Deeper life members.

If somebody says "One thing I HATE about JWs is...," will you consider such to be a JWs?

The OP of that thread is a core Deeper life member and I haven't seen him with such statement since I joined Nairaland.

But I can't count time JWs have made that statement.

Why do you love arguing blindly?

You argue blindly and with incoherent.

Would you prefer if we present this for other followers to share their views on the post?

Then who stop you from doing so? But remember to support your claim with fact.

Well you can show her from the scriptures that they are wrong, but know one thing today: Kumuyi will not voice out for people to hold him by his comment yet you will SEE the teachings in the lifestyle and attitude of his followers.

Just look at the @underlined and see how shallow and myopic you are.

If Kumuyi didn't voice it out, where did people hear it from?

Kumuyi do LIVE broadcast, print book e.t.c

Jesus the one you claim to be following said 'out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks' Luke 6:45
You may continue deceiving yourself but it's obvious that the dubious man knows how to implant hatred in the minds of those CONTRIBUTING money in his purse against others!

See the way you're accusing someone you don't have evidence for what people are saying about.

On the contrary Jehovah's Witnesses are friendly neighbours who will chat, play, eat, drink, dance and join other people in wholesome social gatherings.

So it's only JWs that do these things, right?
Just type it on Google "Are JWs friendly?" and see different responses.

So that you'll be shocked to know that if you're doing all these, they're some certain JWs who took their own belief to an extreme. Which is true in any religion!

The only thing that separate us from all other people like a huge fence is anything having to do with WORSHIP!
So register that in your heart!

You've deviated from the main point.

Where was scripture said you must belong to a group

solite3:
Go back and read again
what do you mean by a spirit being?

Is English now hard for you solite3 ,

God is Spirit means God is Spirit Being

Just as Solite is human meansSolite is an human being
Check the meaning of being and get sense

Fact remains those born of spirit is Spirit.

But since they are presently human being, that points to a future ressurectipn as Spirit

Scripture explains " it is down a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body

what is physical [been human] comes first before a person becomes a spirit being - 1 Corinthians 15:46

Do you Now see Jesus is speaking of future ?

Did Jesus say he that is born of the spirit is a spirit being?
does it make sense context wise?

if you take being born by the spirit to mean one becomes a spirit being then you must think to be born of the spirit is literally giving birth.

but no Jesus did not mean that the spirit give birth to a spirit being.

Exactly, its called NEW BIRTH . read your bible
What God Create , he gives birth to. Scripture says God gives Birth to the earth, solve it. - Psalm 90:2

Emusan:
That's the hypocrisy I use to talk about JWs.
From the screenshot, what those people are saying is that "so far you're not a Deeper life members you're going to hell" but see how you twisted and deviated from what you posted by yourself.
Provide the evidence that they were Deeper life members.
If somebody says "One thing I HATE about JWs is...," will you consider such to be a JWs?
The OP of that thread is a core Deeper life member and I haven't seen him with such statement since I joined Nairaland.
But I can't count time JWs have made that statement.
You argue blindly and with incoherent.
Then who stop you from doing so? But remember to support your claim with fact.
Just look at the @underlined and see how shallow and myopic you are.
If Kumuyi didn't voice it out, where did people hear it from?
Kumuyi do LIVE broadcast, print book e.t.c
See the way you're accusing someone you don't have evidence for what people are saying about.
So it's only JWs that do these things, right?
Just type it on Google "Are JWs friendly?" and see different responses.
So that you'll be shocked to know that if you're doing all these, they're some certain JWs who took their own belief to an extreme. Which is true in any religion!
You've deviated from the main point.
Where was scripture said you must belong to a group

Hmmm,
You're really funny Sir!
So you expect a smart and crafty religious founder like Kumuyi who wants the favour from politicians to say such publicly?
Adeboye made a silly statement few years ago in favour of Ayodele Fayose{former Ekiti gov} and immediately a law was passed by the National Assembly to step down all church overseers that have spent over two decades, the event almost turned to bloodbath. Adeboye who knew that he is the main target quickly announced that he is no more the overseer of Nigerian RCCG and put another man in charge, now that the whole thing has cooled off who will say Adeboye is still not the General Overseer of RCCG in Nigeria?
Well let me enlighten you a bit from Jesus' comments!

These guys are all 'wolves in sheep covering'! Matthew 7:15
How do you identify such wolves? First of all, visualise a WOLF and a SHEEP, then think of how a ravenous beast like a wolf could deceitfully disguise as a harmless domestic pet like a sheep!
Then think of the consequence of the influence of both creatures (as intelligent humans) in the lives of those receiving instructions from them, that is when you can SEE their true picture through the attitude of those following them!
You wouldn't hear anything hurtful from the mouth of such wolflike religious leaders, they will even pretend to be nice to all but their closest associates will reflect the spirit in them!
You can ask people who have lived with deeperlife members how they fair in the neighbourhood, it's NOT something that could be hidden! Mark 4:21-22
We are Jehovah's Witnesses, we won't deceive you that we're worshiping the same God with you when that's not true!
Whatever our God says against all those opposing us,we will let you know. So that you know what to expect if our God is the true One!
We're ready for whatever your God say about those NOT worshiping him, but we're also aware that your God is Blind, Deaf and Dumb.
That is why you people will have up to SEVEN different religious centers in just one single building and still claiming that it is the same God!

Emusan:
You didn't address Luke 1:35, why? Because you know that's where you got understanding of "SENT" wrong.

Okay , let's see

The angel told Mary "...therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God"

Do you understand this?
If you don't, then it will be hard for you to comprehend while scripture always talks about Jesus as being SENT.

"Therefore also that holy thing (or person) - shall be called the Son of God - We may plainly perceive here, that the angel does not give the appellation of Son of God to the Divine nature of Christ; but to that holy person or thing "το ἁγιον" which was to be born of the virgin, by the energy of the Holy Spirit..." Adam Clarke's Commentrary

Now have you found out when scripture is talking about Jesus before He became part of creation and after He entered creation?

@ highlighted, the main issue is when was he sent ?

Luke 1:26 said Angel Gabriel was SENT from God. When was he sent ? The moment he appeared on earth or BEFORE ?

===
As at the time of this declaration, Mary isn't even yet pregnant, Mary asked :

" How is this to be , since I am not having sexual relations with a man ? "

Emphasis on with a MAN.

The Angel now answered by explaining that what she will born will be a result of Gods operation through his holy spirit, thus what is given birth to will be Son of God . meaning he will retain God as his Father Just as he has always been

The text doesn't change the fact that he has been a son before his human birth. But he will retain God as Father . not a man as Mary think

Romans 8:3 ' God send his own son, in the likeness of sinful flesh '

God send who ? His son


Not as a spirit but in the likeness of man


Meaning God was his Father even in heaven .

If you had answered the question I posed to you concerning Galatians 4:4 , When was he sent ? In Marys womb or before his birth ? his sending together with the instruction on what to say or speak precedes the declaration to Mary

Who was sent ? His son

Barristter07:
Okay , let's see




@ highlighted, the main issue is when was he sent ?

Luke 1:26 said Angel Gabriel was SENT from God. When was he sent ? The moment he appeared on earth or BEFORE ?

===
As at the time of this declaration, Mary isn't even yet pregnant, Mary asked :

" How is this to be , since I am not having sexual relations with a man ? "

Emphasis on with a MAN.

The Angel now answered by explaining that what she will born will be a result of Gods operation through his holy spirit, thus what is given birth to will be Son of God . meaning he will retain God as his Father Just as he has always been

The text doesn't change the fact that he has been a son before his human birth. But he will retain God as Father . not a man as Mary think

Romans 8:3 ' God send his own son, in the likeness of sinful flesh '

God send who ? His son


Not as a spirit but in the likeness of man


Meaning God was his Father even in heaven .

If you had answered the question I posed to you concerning Galatians 4:4 , When was he sent ? In Marys womb or before his birth ? his sending together with the instruction on what to say or speak precedes the declaration to Mary

Who was sent ? His son

My main concern is @color

1. See how you change the text of that verse from "should be CALLED son of God" to "Will be son of God" Why? How convenient it is for you people to just twist the scripture without the fear of God?

Even if we go with the choice of text you choose, it means there was a time that what Mary will give birth to is not son of God since "WILL BE SON OF GOD" shows that there was a time He is not son of God.

Every reasonable person knows that if Jesus is son from beginning, the angel will never use that phrase.

2. You went ahead to give the verse different meaning to suit yourself that's why you have to change the text.

3. Had it being that you pay close attention to the conversation between the angel and Mary, you will have known the angel emphasized on three things

i. The name of the child will be called Jesus, v31 you are to name him Jesus.
ii. The child will be called Son of the Most High, v32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High
iii. The child also will be called Son of God, v35 And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son. NWT

Your own translation says "THE ONE WHO IS BORN will be CALLED..."
If you can grab this, then you'll understand why scripture can say:

God sent His son IN the likeness of sinful flesh or God sent His Son BORN OF A woman.

So the title SON OF GOD was applied to what Mary gave birth to not about the divine nature of what dwells in what Mary born.

This new heresy you just subscribed to is why Adam Clarke ran into problems when explaining Proverb 30;4 .

Emusan:
My main concern is @color

1. See how you change the text of that verse from "should be CALLED son of God" to "Will be son of God" Why? How convenient it is for you people to just twist the scripture without the fear of God?

Even if we go with the choice of text you choose, it means there was a time that what Mary will give birth to is not son of God since "WILL BE SON OF GOD" shows that there was a time He is not son of God.

Every reasonable person knows that if Jesus is son from beginning, the angel will never use that phrase.

2. You went ahead to give the verse different meaning to suit yourself that's why you have to change the text.

3. Had it being that you pay close attention to the conversation between the angel and Mary, you will have known the angel emphasized on three things

i. The name of the child will be called Jesus, v31 you are to name him Jesus.
ii. The child will be called Son of the Most High, v32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High
iii. The child also will be called Son of God, v35 And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son. NWT

Your own translation says "THE ONE WHO IS BORN will be CALLED..."
If you can grab this, then you'll understand why scripture can say:

God sent His son IN the likeness of sinful flesh or God sent His Son BORN OF A woman.

Totally off point . when was he sent ? Because scripture reveal at the point of been sent he is a son.
1. @,color part, which you highlight, Is God his Father before is coming to earth ?

2. When was he sent ?

I gave you an analysis of Angel Gabriel been sent , his identity as at when he was sent was called angel Gabriel, and when was he sent , From heaven or was it when he appeared on earth ?

We need to know the identity of him who God send from heaven ! @ yellow part

Barristter07:
Totally off point . when was he sent ? Because scripture reveal at the point of been sent he was a son.
1. @,color part, which you highlight, Is God his Father before is coming to earth ?

2. When was he sent ?

I gave you an analysis of Angel Gabriel been sent , his identity as at when he was sent was called angel Gabriel, and when was he sent , From heaven or was it when he appreaed on earth ?

We need to know the identity of him who God send from heaven !

I'll only reply your last statement because any reasonable person can see I've done justice to your point about SENT

The identity of what God sent is clearly stated and spelled out in John 1:14 "And the WORD became flesh..."

In fact, had it been you can grab the concept of John 1:14 you'll see that it was after the WORD became flesh that His glory was only beheld as the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father"

Can you show us where it was written that the Son became flesh?

Emusan:
My main concern is @color

1. See how you change the text of that verse from "should be CALLED son of God" to "Will be son of God" Why? How convenient it is for you people to just twist the scripture without the fear of God?

Even if we go with the choice of text you choose, it means there was a time that what Mary will give birth to is not son of God since "WILL BE SON OF GOD" shows that there was a time He is not son of God.


Every reasonable person knows that if Jesus is son from beginning, the angel will never use that phrase.


2. You went ahead to give the verse different meaning to suit yourself that's why you have to change the text.

3. Had it being that you pay close attention to the conversation between the angel and Mary, you will have known the angel emphasized on three things

i. The name of the child will be called Jesus, v31 you are to name him Jesus.
ii. The child will be called Son of the Most High, v32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High
iii. The child also will be called Son of God, v35 And for that reason the one who is born will be called holy, God’s Son. NWT

Your own translation says "THE ONE WHO IS BORN will be CALLED..."
If you can grab this, then you'll understand why scripture can say:

God sent His son IN the likeness of sinful flesh or God sent His Son BORN OF A woman.

So the title SON OF GOD was applied to what Mary gave birth to not about the divine nature of what dwells in what Mary born.

Every reasonable reading the context knew that pronouncement came as a result of Mary wondering how this will be possible without an human Father . the angel only affirm that what will be born [She wasn't pregnant at The time] Retains God as his Father
Thereby a son of God

Emusan:
I'll only reply your last statement because any reasonable person can see I've done justice to your point about SENT

The identity of what God sent is clearly stated and spelled out in John 1:14 "And the WORD became flesh..."

God sent his son

After which came the statement " born of a woman "

Isn't that clear enough ? Galatian 4;4

Am asking: Was God his Father before birth or only when he was born ?

In fact, had it been you can grab the concept of John 1:14 you'll see that it was after the WORD became flesh that His glory was only beheld as the ONLY BEGOTTEN of the Father"

Can you show us where it was written that the Son became flesh?

The identity is not just The Word. The identity is a son
Romans quoted for you is enough point
God sent his son

After which came the statement " in the likeness of flesh "

@ the point of been sent and instructed on what to say, he is a son.

Barristter07:
God sent his son

After which came the statement " born of a woman "

Isn't that clear enough ? Galatian 4;4

Am asking: Was God his Father before birth or only when he was born?

The identity is not just The Word. The identity is a son
Romans quoted for you is enough point
God sent his son

After which came the statement " in the likeness of flesh "

@ the point of been sent and instructed on what to say, he is a son.

The @color says alot about the spirit in you!

Emusan:
The @color says alot about the spirit in you!

Are you still a trinitarian ?

Does God the Son exist before Jesus came to earth ?

Does the Father - Son relationship exist before creation ?

Barristter07:
Every reasonable reading the context knew that pronouncement came as a result of Mary wondering how this will be possible without an human Father . the angel only affirm that what will be born [She wasn't pregnant at The time] Retains God as his Father
Thereby a son of God

One funny thing about discussing with JWs is their outrightly lie and lack of scriptural understanding they always want to rub on your face.

"The pronouncement came as a result of Mary wondering" according to your lie yet Vs 32 clearly stated that "He shall be great, and shall be CALLED THE SON OF THE HIGHEST"

Even your NWT says "...And for that reason..." for what reason? Mary's wondering or because what God will do?

Jozzy4:
Are you still a trinitarian ?

Does God the Son exist before Jesus came to earth ?

Does the Father - Son relationship exist before creation ?

Your ignorance didn't know when people talk about God the Son, they only refer to the identity of what the Son is before coming to earth.

That's why I do say, without knowing when scripture is talking about Christ in His preexisting form and when He became part of the creation. You won't understand shittty

Barristter07:
God sent his son

After which came the statement " born of a woman "

Isn't that clear enough ? Galatian 4;4

Am asking: Was God his Father before birth or only when he was born ?



The identity is not just The Word. The identity is a son
Romans quoted for you is enough point
God sent his son

After which came the statement " in the likeness of flesh "

@ the point of been sent and instructed on what to say, he is a son.

Thank you bro _ another thing is :

How can Jesus say no one knows the Father except the son , if his sonship only exist on earth ? He is clearly speaking of a close Father - Son relationship that exist before the world of human

Emusan:
Your ignorance didn't know when people talk about God the Son, they only refer to the identity of what the Son is before coming to earth.

That's why I do say, without knowing when scripture is talking about Christ in His preexisting form and when He became part of the creation. You won't understand shittty

That's exactly what am asking

So he was a son by identity before coming to earth ?