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Your shallow understanding would have been corrected if you address the Father figure.

Emusan:
If Jesus has been the son from beginning, why did the Angel say the child SHALL BE CALLED the Son of God? again?

Because no man will be involved in Marys pregnancy as she once thought.

The child retains his Heavenly Father

And I also asked you, show me where it is written that the Son became flesh...but you can see where it's boldly written in John 1:14 that "THE WORD BECAME FLESH"

EOD

Extremely funny.
The word, you mean statements or pronouncement of God ?

Address this first .

Emusan:
The incarnation of the Word begins to have a Father immediately He became part of creation.

Firstborn is a child to his Father . one exist before the other.
If your postulation holds true;
Firstborn of Creation, How is he the one born first among all Creations ?

Because if his Father - Firstborn started on earth, he couldn't be the firstborn of all creation .

Barristter07:
Your shallow understanding would have been corrected if you address the Father figure.

I've done that just that your understanding is very shallow

Because no man will be involved in Marys pregnancy as she once thought.

You've repeated this lie once again, after I corrected you in the first instance.

The child retains his Heavenly Father

Then the angel shouldn't have used "SHALL BE CALLED"

Thou I know you have problem with English.

Extremely funny.
The word, you mean statements or pronouncement of God ?

Address this first .

Ask John that!

Or Jesus isn't the Word of God anymore?

Show me where it was written that "the Son became flesh"

Barristter07:
Firstborn is a child to his Father . one exist before the other.
If your postulation holds true;
Firstborn of Creation, How is he the one born first among all Creations ?

Because if his Father - Firstborn started on earth, he couldn't be the firstborn of all creation .

If not because you lack scriptural understanding, you'll have known that Apostle Paul was talking about when the Word became part of creation...that's why he round it up by saying "that in ALL THINGS he(Jesus) might have the preeminence"

The question we need to ask is, if Jesus is actually the first created being, why must Jesus still be in ALL THINGS have the preeminence?

But this can only be true if Jesus who was not created but the creator entered His own creation to take the first position over everything He created.

Emusan:
I've done that just that your understanding is very shallow



You've repeated this lie once again, after I corrected you in the first instance.



Then the angel shouldn't have used "SHALL BE CALLED"

Thou I know you have problem with English.

Who are those addressed ? Humans on earth .

Ask John that!

Or Jesus isn't the Word of God anymore?

Show me where it was written that "the Son became flesh"

Explain what you mean by " Word" _ statement's of God ?

Emusan:
If not because you lack scriptural understanding, you'll have known that Apostle Paul was talking about when the Word became part of creation ...that's why he round it up by saying "that in ALL THINGS he(Jesus) might have the preeminence"

You clearly do not understand yourself anymore. How can someone Made many years after creation has began become the firstborn of creation , if not that he has existed as Firstborn when creation began ?

The question we need to ask is, if Jesus is actually the first created being, why must Jesus still be in ALL THINGS have the preeminence?

How was he the FIRST BORN of Creation is the real question , don't you think ?

How was he BORN ?

But this can only be true if Jesus who was not created but the creator entered His own creation to take the first position over everything He created.

Listen to yourself

How was he Born as Firstborn of creation ?

TATIME:
Of course Maximus refused to argue!
And that's our ministry for you. We're to make simple presentations before STRANGERS and if our presentation didn't sound appealing to the listener we must take our leave.
That is what Maximus{a new convert} is saying, but when you're not seeing the face of the one questioning you and such an inquisitor is insisting you should make a response then some of our brothers will feel like showing the one asking that WE KNOW HOW TO ANSWER EACH PERSON whether visible or faceless social media inquisitors like you!

He refused indeed, there must be another meaning for refusal. What's our business with whether he is a new convert or a patron convert, whose business?
Me i asked na, but you Did not ANSWER EACH PERSON in my case. I heard that you guys are not interested in being born again or going to heaven. That's awesome. Is it true?

Barristter07:
You clearly do not understand yourself anymore. How can someone Made many years after creation has began become the firstborn of creation , if not that he has existed as Firstborn when creation began ?

I repeat you lack scriptural understanding and even lack how words are structured.

Lemme use your own translation maybe your dull skull can grab it this time.

"so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"

Why must He be the ONE to become FIRST IN ALL THINGS if He was already THE FIRST CREATED

That's the question you should rap inside your skull

How was he the FIRST BORN of Creation is the real question , don't you think ?

How was he BORN ?

Listen to yourself

How was he Born as Firstborn of creation ?

Only if you understand what you're talking about.

I know if I ask you to explain it now, your firstborn will suddenly change to FIRSTCREATED

OkCornel:
By the Trinity scam, are you referring to the son and the Father as of equal rank?

I'm not really clear on the trinity scam. Kindly explain. Thanks

The Son and the Father are of the same kind-diety. But the Son is lower in rank to the Father. Just like in a marraige,the wife is equal to the husband but lower in rank. The subjugation is necessary to achieve unity.
phil2v6: Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God .

Barristter07:
Who are those addressed ? Humans on earth.

No angel in heaven, nonsense!

You mean the angel can't say "for this reason the Holy thing to be born is already Son of God"

Explain what you mean by " Word" _ statement's of God ?

Is Jesus the word of God?
Does the word become flesh?

Show me where it was written that the Son became flesh?

OkCornel:
By the Trinity scam, are you referring to the son and the Father as of equal rank?

I'm not really clear on the trinity scam. Kindly explain. Thanks

The TRINITY was foreseen in the Bible book of Revelations as Babylon the great! Rev 17:5
Called Mystery because it had several children born to different fathers they defines her in varying ways. 17:15
The children all have different norms just as each father gives contradicting rules. 17:4
The children are confused in their midst so they hate TRUE Christians for preaching in harmony! 17:5-6
It's children can't unite due to difference in fathers so they are called waterS! 17:15 compared to Isaiah 57:20


Jehovah's Witnesses on the other hand are born by another woman {12:1-2} our own father {Jehovah} is one so no matter where you can find us we speak with one accord! Deuteronomy 6:4-6
The first born of our family is Jesus{12:5 compared to Isaiah 9:6} Our mother born chieftains after Jesus so her crown had TWELVE stars{12:1-2, 21:14}
Babylon the Great and our mother are perpetual enemies from the Beginning{Genesis 3:15} so her Children are always looking forward to kill us! John 8:38-41 compared to Revelations 12:17
That is why all of them are parading TRINITY but they can never be united as one happy family like Jehovah's Witnesses whose God is ONE JEHOVAH! Mark 12:29-31

Image123:
He refused indeed, there must be another meaning for refusal. What's our business with whether he is a new convert or a patron convert, whose business?
Me i asked na, but you Did not ANSWER EACH PERSON in my case. I heard that you guys are not interested in being born again or going to heaven. That's awesome. Is it true?

Please meet my JW families in your neighbourhood if you care to know! This is not how or where we study the Bible with people.
But if you feel it's a waste of time, then farewell Sir you're free to start going to heaven quickly!

TATIME:
Please meet my JW families in your neighbourhood if you care to know! This is not how or where we study the Bible with people.
But if you feel it's a waste of time, then farewell Sir you're free to start going to heaven quickly!

So you will answer others and ANSWER EACH PERSON whether visible or faceless social media inquisitors like me, but me i should be looking for JW family up and down? Is that not double standards? So i can infer that you are not interested in being born again or going to heaven?

Image123:
So you will answer others and ANSWER EACH PERSON whether visible or faceless social media inquisitors like me, but me i should be looking for JW family up and down? Is that not double standards? So i can infer that you are not interested in being born again or going to heaven?

That's one thing you can't take away from JWs, hypocrisy!

Image123:
So you will answer others and ANSWER EACH PERSON whether visible or faceless social media inquisitors like me, but me i should be looking for JW family up and down? Is that not double standards? So i can infer that you are not interested in being born again or going to heaven?

I hate insulting people,so i choose wisely whom to answer. If you truly need the answer, it will reflect in the way and manner you present your question but obviously you're not the type that i do chat with FACELESSLY going by your statement 'you don't care to know somethings' we're in search for those who CARES TO KNOW ALL THINGS regarding sacred services!
You're blessed Sir!

TATIME:
You're blessed Sir!

i knew that before sir/ma. i get it though, you are doing some double standard on me. Like you're being accused of doing on the Bible. No wahala. Noted.

TATIME:
I hate insulting people,so i choose wisely whom to answer. If you truly need the answer, it will reflect in the way and manner you present your question but obviously you're not the type that i do chat with FACELESSLY going by your statement 'you don't care to know somethings' we're in search for those who CARES TO KNOW ALL THINGS regarding sacred services!
You're blessed Sir!

Ohohohohohohohohohoh, now i should cry. From you're blessed to these. No problem, don't chat with me fa. So you're also discriminatory? Of course i care to KNOW ALL THINGS regarding sacred services, whatever that means.

Image123:
Ohohohohohohohohohoh, now i should cry. From you're blessed to these. No problem, don't chat with me fa. So you're also discriminatory? Of course i care to KNOW ALL THINGS regarding sacred services, whatever that means.

Your manner of approach determines Sir! Matthew 27:13-14

TATIME:
Your manner of approach determines Sir! Matthew 27:13-14

Mat 27:12  And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing. 
Mat 27:13  Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
Mat 27:14  And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly. 

But in your case, you are answering. You've being replying all day, just that you have avoided my pertinent question.

Image123:
Mat 27:12  And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing. 
Mat 27:13  Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
Mat 27:14  And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly. 

But in your case, you are answering. You've being replying all day, just that you have avoided my pertinent question.

Hmmmmmmmmm,
The one asking can SEE Jesus FACE TO FACE and he himself could discern so many things from the appearance of the accused{Jesus}.
You aren't SEEING me and the only way to let you know I'M STILL HERE is to respond but NOT DIRECTLY to your questions. Telling you your questions are awaiting answers but i'm watchful of your MANNER OF APPROACH! Luke 12:13-14

johnw47:
garbage man false jw tatime
 
Psa 62:3  How long will ye imagine mischief against a man? ye shall be slain all of you: as a bowing wall shall ye be, and as a tottering fence. 
Psa 62:4  They only consult to cast him down from his excellency: they delight in lies: they bless with their mouth, but they curse inwardly. Selah. 

^ more speaking about false jw's

You're blessed Sir!

Emusan:
They also said Jesus exists before creation...

Why Jesus

Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation, only given the name Jesus on earth . Stop lying

Why called God the son ?

asalimpo:
The Son and the Father are of the same kind-diety. But the Son is lower in rank to the Father. Just like in a marraige,the wife is equal to the husband but lower in rank. The subjugation is necessary to achieve unity.
phil2v6: Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God .

You forgot that place said HaaVE this same MIND in you

So that means its proper for a Christian to see themselves as equal to God ?

Emusan:
No angel in heaven, nonsense!

You mean the angel can't say "for this reason the Holy thing to be born is already Son of God"

Mr, Demons and angel already knows he is son of God. They are all sons of the Father . he was just the firstborn

Is Jesus the word of God?
Does the word become flesh?

Show me where it was written that the Son became flesh?

Word is a son, God first born .

If you mean a ,b ,c coming out of Gods mouth, your case is a pathetic one

Emusan:
I repeat you lack scriptural understanding and even lack how words are structured.

Lemme use your own translation maybe your dull skull can grab it this time.

"so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"

Why must He be the ONE to become FIRST IN ALL THINGS if He was already THE FIRST CREATED

That's the question you should rap inside your skull

Emusan, master of low comprehension . in ALL things dey there nah , All things , take for example his been firstborn from the dead , that happens years after creation has been done . All things imply many other things to happen

Does it change his been firstborn of all creation ?

Barister ask una: How was he born ?

He isn't a son, yet called Gods firstborn ( Heb 1)

Only if you understand what you're talking about.

I know if I ask you to explain it now, your firstborn will suddenly change to FIRSTCREATED

How was he BORN ? Explain . we know he was Gods firstborn before coming to earth . making him a son

Emusan:
The incarnation of the Word begins to have a Father immediately He became part of creation.

Liar , so it was when he came on earth that he started having father .

Heb chapter 1 called Him Gods firstborn heb 1:6

Emusan:
The incarnation of the Word begins to have a Father immediately He became part of creation.

in short the trinity doesn't exist !

Barristter07:
Firstborn is a child to his Father . one exist before the other.
If your postulation holds true;
Firstborn of Creation, How is he the one born first among all Creations ?

Because if his Father - Firstborn started on earth, he couldn't be the firstborn of all creation .

Lol, abi

Guy went to quote becoming firstborn in ALL things, as of all those things happen at the same time .

Emusan:
If not because you lack scriptural understanding, you'll have known that Apostle Paul was talking about when the Word became part of creation...that's why he round it up by saying "that in ALL THINGS he(Jesus) might have the preeminence"

The question we need to ask is, if Jesus is actually the first created being, why must Jesus still be in ALL THINGS have the preeminence?

But this can only be true if Jesus who was not created but the creator entered His own creation to take the first position over everything He created.

Mr, Jesus is firstborn of all creation means he is the beginning of the creations of God.

Get sense nah ( Rev 3:14)

Jozzy4:
Lol, abi

Guy went to quote becoming firstborn in ALL things, as of all those things happen at the same time .

He is yet to answer if that all things Include firstborn of creation too .

Very good quote that adds beauty to the topic .

Emusan:
I repeat you lack scriptural understanding and even lack how words are structured.

Lemme use your own translation maybe your dull skull can grab it this time.

"so that he might become the one who is first in all things;"

Why must He be the ONE to become FIRST IN ALL THINGS if He was already THE FIRST CREATED

O.ma se o .

Are you this dull, if he is firstborn in ALL things , does that not include been firstborn of Creation as well ?

O ma she o ,

That's the question you should rap inside your skull



Only if you understand what you're talking about.

I know if I ask you to explain it now, your firstborn will suddenly change to FIRSTCREATED

First BORN of creation, how exactly was he born ?

Are other creations not born as well ?

What made him First ?

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm,
The one asking can SEE Jesus FACE TO FACE and he himself could discern so many things from the appearance of the accused{Jesus}.
You aren't SEEING me and the only way to let you know I'M STILL HERE is to respond but NOT DIRECTLY to your questions. Telling you your questions are awaiting answers but i'm watchful of your MANNER OF APPROACH! Luke 12:13-14

Luk 12:13  And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 
Luk 12:14  And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?

What has this text got to do with what we are saying?
You are jumping from pillar to post and changing the goal posts already just on my words and yours. i can only imagine and shiver at what you would do with the Word.

TATIME: WE KNOW HOW TO ANSWER EACH PERSON whether visible or faceless social media inquisitors like you! wink.
TATIME: meet my JW families in your neighbourhood if you care to know!
TATIME: you're not the type that i do chat with FACELESSLY going by your statement 'you don't care to know somethings'(i don't know when i made this statement in quote but no problem) we're in search for those who CARES TO KNOW ALL THINGS regarding sacred services!
TATIME: Your manner of approach determines(Then you quote where Jesus did not answer a word to back up your acts.)
TATIME: The one asking can SEE Jesus FACE TO FACE

So he was seeing Jesus face to face that is why Jesus did not answer him, but you quoted it so as not to answer me. WOW. Maybe if he was on phone, Jesus may have answered him or what? What manner of approach do you need to answer my question? Grovelling? If answers are ready, do i have to beg for it or what exactly?