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Luk 12:13  And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 
Luk 12:14  And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?

What has this text got to do with what we are saying?
You are jumping from pillar to post and changing the goal posts already just on my words and yours. i can only imagine and shiver at what you would do with the Word.

TATIME: WE KNOW HOW TO ANSWER EACH PERSON whether visible or faceless social media inquisitors like you! wink.
TATIME: meet my JW families in your neighbourhood if you care to know!
TATIME: you're not the type that i do chat with FACELESSLY going by your statement 'you don't care to know somethings'(i don't know when i made this statement in quote but no problem) we're in search for those who CARES TO KNOW ALL THINGS regarding sacred services!
TATIME: Your manner of approach determines(Then you quote where Jesus did not answer a word to back up your acts.)
TATIME: The one asking can SEE Jesus FACE TO FACE

So he was seeing Jesus face to face that is why Jesus did not answer him, but you quoted it so as not to answer me. WOW. Maybe if he was on phone, Jesus may have answered him or what? What manner of approach do you need to answer my question? Grovelling? If answers are ready, do i have to beg for it or what exactly?

Please what exactly is your question ?

Jozzy4:
Please what exactly is your question ?

I demand some manners from him before quenching his thirst but if he wants to continue been antagonistic, then i'll continue to show him that there's is a way to deal with his type!

@ Jozzy4!
See the way and manner of the one who thinks we feel obliged to answer his questions!

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He refused indeed, there must be another meaning for refusal. WHAT'S OUR BUSINESS WITH WHETHER HE IS A NEW CONVERT OR A PATRON CONVERT, WHOSE BUSINESS?
Me i asked na, but you Did not ANSWER EACH PERSON in my case. I heard that you guys are not interested in being born again or going to heaven. That's awesome. Is it true?

if he could use the collective adverb "WHAT'S OUR BUSINESS" is that not a sign he has taken a stand with some people?
Had it been he spoke for himself alone, i will know he wants to know the difference but as long as he is part of them then he should HUMBLY meet my brothers and sisters in PRIVATE away from "THEM" to know! John 3:1-2

Jozzy4:
Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation, only given the name Jesus on earth . Stop lying

Why called God the son ?

Provide the proof for where they say He exists as God the Son before creation.

Image123:
Luk 12:13  And one of the company said unto him, Master, speak to my brother, that he divide the inheritance with me. 
Luk 12:14  And he said unto him, Man, who made me a judge or a divider over you?

What has this text got to do with what we are saying?
You are jumping from pillar to post and changing the goal posts already just on my words and yours. i can only imagine and shiver at what you would do with the Word.

TATIME: WE KNOW HOW TO ANSWER EACH PERSON whether visible or faceless social media inquisitors like you! wink.
TATIME: meet my JW families in your neighbourhood if you care to know!
TATIME: you're not the type that i do chat with FACELESSLY going by your statement 'you don't care to know somethings'(i don't know when i made this statement in quote but no problem) we're in search for those who CARES TO KNOW ALL THINGS regarding sacred services!
TATIME: Your manner of approach determines(Then you quote where Jesus did not answer a word to back up your acts.)
TATIME: The one asking can SEE Jesus FACE TO FACE

So he was seeing Jesus face to face that is why Jesus did not answer him, but you quoted it so as not to answer me. WOW. Maybe if he was on phone, Jesus may have answered him or what? What manner of approach do you need to answer my question? Grovelling? If answers are ready, do i have to beg for it or what exactly?

Your post says WHAT'S OUR BUSINESS?
Meaning you're NOT asking for yourself but for some group of persons, so i'll implore you to LEAVE THEM BEHIND if you're truthfully willing to learn!

Emusan:
Provide the proof for where they say He exists as God the Son before creation.

From got question. A trinitarian website
, " His pre-existence means that, before He became a man and walked upon the earth, He was already in existence as the second Person of the triune God. "
https://www.gotquestions.org/amp/pre-existence-Jesus.html


Wikipedia

In Trinitarianism this "Logos" is also called God the Son or the second person of the Trinity. Theologian Bernard Ramm noted that "It has been standard teaching in historic Christology that the Logos, the Son, existed before the incarnation. That the Son so existed before the incarnation has been called the pre-existence of Christ."[3
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence_of_Christ

Jozzy4:
master of low comprehension . in ALL things dey there nah , All things , take for example his been firstborn from the dead , that happens years after creation has been done . All things imply many other things to happen

Does it change his been firstborn of all creation ?

Barister ask una: How was he born ?

He isn't a son, yet called Gods firstborn ( Heb 1)



How was he BORN ? Explain . we know he was Gods firstborn before coming to earth . making him a son

The most pathetic thing about you people is lack of comprehension by ignoring the key point in a statement.

Lemme come down to a Nursery school level because that's where you people belong.

1. Christ is the firstborn of all creations to you this means Christ is first

2. This means Christ has claimed this position long time ago.

3. Now, the scripture says, "so that he MIGHT BECOME the one who is FIRST in all things;" NWT

4. From here we can deduce that Christ is not the first if not there is no need "HE MIGHT BECOME...FIRST" again.

Lack of scriptural understanding everywhere!

Jozzy4:
From got question. A trinitarian website
, " His pre-existence means that, before He became a man and walked upon the earth, He was already in existence as the second Person of the triune God. "
https://www.gotquestions.org/amp/pre-existence-Jesus.html

Now can you see the reason why I said you people lack simple comprehension?

This is your claim "Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation,..."

Does this validate your claim?

SMH

Barristter07:
O.ma se o .

Are you this dull, if he is firstborn in ALL things , does that not include been firstborn of Creation as well ?

O ma she o,

Shallow empty skull...

The point isn't because He is first in ALL THINGS but "BECOMING THE FIRST again", after you have claimed He is the first already...

It's read "so He MIGHT BECOME the one WHO IS FIRST in all things"

Why must he be the one to BECOME FIRST in all things if he was already the first?

First BORN of creation, how exactly was he born ?

Are other creations not born as well ?

What made him First ?

Creations were created not born.

Like I said, of you are asked that question, your BORN will suddenly change to FIRSTCREATED.

Hypocrite!

Emusan:
Now can you see the reason why I said you people lack simple comprehension?

This is your claim "Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation,..."

Does this validate your claim?

SMH

I know you will act stupid, that's why I added that Wikipedia quote that mentions what is meant by second person of Trinity, God the son

Emusan:
Shallow empty skull...

The point isn't because He is first in ALL THINGS but "BECOMING THE FIRST again", after you have claimed He is the first already...

It's read "so He MIGHT BECOME the one WHO IS FIRST in all things"

Why must he be the one to BECOME FIRST in all things if he was already the first?



Creations were created not born.

Like I said, of you are asked that question, your BORN will suddenly change to FIRSTCREATED.

Hypocrite!

You are silly , it mentions that he is firstborn already in some areas . Creation and the dead

Are you denying he is firstborn from the dead already. ? Or is he might become ? ...

Jozzy4:
I know you will act stupid, that's why I added that Wikipedia quote that mentions what is meant by second person of Trinity, God the son

If not because you're a lying liar and don't have single iota of shame

You claimed "Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation,..."

Yet from your links no where was the phrase "He exists as GOD THE SON" appear but you still have audacity to say someone act stupid.

Continue in your delusions

Emusan:
The most pathetic thing about you people is lack of comprehension by ignoring the key point in a statement.

Lemme come down to a Nursery school level because that's where you people belong.

1. Christ is the firstborn of all creations to you this means Christ is first

2. This means Christ has claimed this position long time ago.

3. Now, the scripture says, "so that he MIGHT BECOME the one who is FIRST in all things;" NWT

4. From here we can deduce that Christ is not the first ^{in ALL things yet} if not there is no need "HE MIGHT BECOME...FIRST" again.

Lack of scriptural understanding everywhere!

Have help you fix your silly conclusion at 4.

That doesn't change the fact he is already firstborn from the dead and firstborn of creation.

Firstborn of the dead experience death .

Firstborn of creation was also a created being. In this case , the first to be created! Rev 3:14

Jozzy4:
You are silly, it mentions that he is firstborn already in some areas . Creation and the dead

Are you denying he is firstborn from the dead already. ? Or is he might become ? ...

Empty skull read my post again!

Emusan:
Empty skull read my post again!

You just described yourself

Is he yet to become firstborn from the dead ?

Emusan:
If not because you're a lying liar and don't have single iota of shame

You claimed "Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation,..."

Who is identified as the second person of Trinity ? God the son! Don't be an idiot

Yet from your links no where was the phrase "He exists as GOD THE SON" appear but you still have audacity to say someone act stupid.

Continue in your delusions

Wikipedia



In Trinitarianism this "Logos" is also called God the Son OR the second person of the Trinity. Theologian Bernard Ramm noted that "It has been standard teaching in historic Christology that the Logos, the Son, existed before the incarnation. That the Son so existed before the incarnation has been called the pre-existence of Christ."[3



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence_of_Christ

Jozzy4:
You just described yourself

Is he yet to become firstborn from the dead ?

Silly empty skull...

Read my post again

Jozzy4:
Who is identified as the second person of Trinity ? God the son! Don't be an idiot




Wikipedia



In Trinitarianism this "Logos" is also called God the Son OR the second person of the Trinity. Theologian Bernard Ramm noted that "It has been standard teaching in historic Christology that the Logos, the Son, existed before the incarnation. That the Son so existed before the incarnation has been called the pre-existence of Christ."[3



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence_of_Christ

Dull empty skull...

Your claim was "Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation,..."

Where was it claim that He exists as GOD the son before creation

Why simple English is so hard for you

Brainwashed JWs!

Barristter07:
Check the meaning of Being , and receive enlightenment Solite3

you clarify yourself
What is the meaning of spirit being? Mention it

What the flesh born is flesh, is that not human body ?

did Jesus just mean human body?

Are you a spirit being now ?



Emphasis on " New birth " .

I told you before i m a spirit in human body but that is not what it mean to be bornagain.
Lets take another verse from the bible and see what it really means to be bornagain

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

You see that peter was addressing his audience as people who had already being born again by the word of God.

Does this not tell you being bornagain is not something that takes place in the future?
Btw did the hearers become spirit being?



Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

John 1:12-13 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

From these verses being spirit is spiritual trsnsformation that recreates a persons spirit to resemble that of God.

Emusan:
Silly empty skull...

Read my post again

Let's see what might means

Is he yet to become first born from the dead ?

Emusan:
Dull empty skull...

Your claim was "Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation,..."

Where was it claim that He exists as GOD the son before creation

Why simple English is so hard for you

Brainwashed JWs!

By creation I mean earthly creations which you said Jesus become part of when he was born
Didn't you say Jesus become part of creation when he was born by Mary . I state my point from that angle , by born you refer to his earthly existence

. study context
2:08pm on May 28

I state clearly :


Trinitarians maintain Jesus exist as God the son before his birth


Are u so dull not to see that and understand my post in context ?

Is the highlighted not proved ?

Jozzy4:
Let's see what might means

Is he yet to become first born from the dead ?

The text already established that "He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,..." before "so that he might become the one who is first in all things"

And as a result of this v19 said the Father was pleased to have all the FULLNESS of Deity in Him...this is an evidence that what Apostle Paul was talking about is when the Word became part of the creation.

I just even notice something from your dubious organization...

Imagine, inserting the word OTHER from verse 16&17 only to drop it in verse 18 which is the same content...yahoo yahoo organization!

Emusan:
The text already established that "He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,..." before "so that he might become the one who is first in all things"

And as a result of this v19 said the Father was pleased to have all the FULLNESS of Deity in Him...this is an evidence that what Apostle Paul was talking about is when the Word became part of the creation.

I just even notice something from your dubious organization...

Imagine, inserting the word OTHER from verse 16&17 only to drop it in verse 18 which is the same content...yahoo yahoo organization!

The text also ESTABLISH that he is the firstBORN of creation, did that occur when he came to earth too ?

Jozzy4:
By creation I mean earthly creations which you said Jesus become part of when he was born
Didn't you say Jesus become part of creation when he was born by Mary . I state my point from that angle , by born you refer to his earthly existence

. study context
2:08pm on May 28

I state clearly :


Trinitarians maintain Jesus exist as God the son before his birth


Are u so dull not to see that and understand my post in context ?

Is the highlighted not proved ?

Lying liar...now you begin to say you mean... Blah blah blah...

You now change from "Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation,..." TO "Trinitarians maintain Jesus exist as God the son before his birth"

Are the two statements the same?

You need to enroll to an English class first before coming online to argue.

Jozzy4:
The text also ESTABLISH that he is the firstBORN of creation, did that occur when he came to earth too ?

So you didn't even get my explanation yet you're shouting like a rabies dog...

If firstborn of creation means FIRSTCREATED, then what is firstborn from the dead?

Now you'll change tune because you won't use the same meaning you have been given to "FIRSTBORN" since anymore.

Emusan:
Lying liar...now you begin to say you mean... Blah blah blah...

You now change from "Hahahaha they said he exist as God the son before creation,..." TO "Trinitarians maintain Jesus exist as God the son before his birth"

Are the two statements the same?

You need to enroll to an English class first before coming online to argue.

Let me understand your understanding of the first statement was shallow

What about the second that was made to clarify it that same yesterday ?

Is that not proved ?

Why is he a Son ?

[quote author=Emusan post=78842913][/quote]The firstborn statement is connected to different things.

One - Creation

Two - dead


The fact that stand out is , to be a firstborn of something is to be a part of or beginning of that thing

Was he part of the dead ?

Same way he is the beginning of creation . Rev 3:14 .

I know that Rev 3:14 was written for clueless ones who might try not to understand

Jozzy4:
Let me understand your understanding of the first statement was shallow

What about the second that was made to clarify it that same yesterday ?

Is that not proved ?

Why is he a Son ?

You're still lying....

From the links you provided, where did you see it written that He EXISTS As GOD the Son either before creation or birth?

Even the links you provided never claimed this... yet you're still lying boldly.

Just see how you're contradicting yourself in one post and no even place to hide your rotten shame face.

Emusan:
Shallow empty skull...

The point isn't because He is first in ALL THINGS but "BECOMING THE FIRST again", after you have claimed He is the first already...

Is he not first already from the dead and creation ?

Emphasis on " AlL things "

Those areas I mentioned are already established

It's read "so He MIGHT BECOME the one WHO IS FIRST in all things"

Why must he be the one to BECOME FIRST in all things if he was already the first?

Has he not become the firstborn in some things ?

Creations were created not born.

Like I said, of you are asked that question, your BORN will suddenly change to FIRSTCREATED.

Hypocrite!

Are mountains and the earth born ?

Emusan:
You're still lying....

From the links you provided, where did you see it written that He EXISTS As GOD the Son either before creation or birth?

Even the links you provided never claimed this... yet you're still lying boldly.

Just see how you're contradicting yourself in one post and no even place to hide your rotten shame face.

In Trinitarianism this "Logos" is also called God the Son OR the second person of the Trinity. Theologian Bernard Ramm noted that "It has been standard teaching in historic Christology that the Logos, the Son, existed before the incarnation. That the Son so existed before the incarnation has been called the pre-existence of Christ."[3







https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence_of_Christ

It will continue to haunt you

Jozzy4:
Please what exactly is your question ?

My question is are you people born again, and are you people going to heaven?

Barristter07:
Is he not first already from the dead and creation ?

Emphasis on " AlL things "

Those areas I mentioned are already established

Has he not become the firstborn in some things?

Read my post above

Are mountains and the earth born?

Yeah they were born through your ass

Now you have added earth...if I asked you to provide evidence, you'll be crying me a river.