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Emusan:
You're still lying....

From the links you provided, where did you see it written that He EXISTS As GOD the Son either before creation or birth?

Even the links you provided never claimed this... yet you're still lying boldly.

Just see how you're contradicting yourself in one post and no even place to hide your rotten shame face.

TATIME:
@ Jozzy4!
See the way and manner of the one who thinks we feel obliged to answer his questions! if he could use the collective adverb "WHAT'S OUR BUSINESS" is that not a sign he has taken a stand with some people?
Had it been he spoke for himself alone, i will know he wants to know the difference but as long as he is part of them then he should HUMBLY meet my brothers and sisters in PRIVATE away from "THEM" to know! John 3:1-2

Jozzy4:
In Trinitarianism this "Logos" is also called God the Son OR the second person of the Trinity. Theologian Bernard Ramm noted that "It has been standard teaching in historic Christology that the Logos, the Son, existed before the incarnation. That the Son so existed before the incarnation has been called the pre-existence of Christ."[3







https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existence_of_Christ

It will continue to haunt you

TATIME:
Your post says WHAT'S OUR BUSINESS?
Meaning you're NOT asking for yourself but for some group of persons, so i'll implore you to LEAVE THEM BEHIND if you're truthfully willing to learn!

Emusan:
[s]

Read my post above



Yeah they were born through your ass

Now you have added earth...if I asked you to provide evidence, you'll be crying me a river. [/s]

Emusan
Creations were created not born.

Emusan:
If not because you lack basic English


Your highlight says "the Son, existed before the incarnation" is it the same with "He existed AS God the Son"

Where was this statement "...He exists as GOD the Son before creation or birth" ever been made?

So far you're just a lying JWs like your father devil...

Jozzy4:
Have help you fix your silly conclusion at 4.

That doesn't change the fact he is already firstborn from the dead and firstborn of creation.

Firstborn of the dead experience death .

Firstborn of creation was also a created being. In this case , the first to be created! Rev 3:14

Barristter07:

In addition to Galatians 4:4 emphasis on Sent . when was he sent, at that point was he a son ?

John 3:17

" God ... Send his son INTO the world "

Whom did God send INTO the world ( it was in the world that Mary gave birth to him ) ?

Barristter07:
I take this as no response .

Here is your statement


Are you created despite you were born ?

Are mountains BORN ?

Jozzy4:
Let's see what might means

Is he yet to become first born from the dead ?

TATIME:
You're blessed Sir!

Emusan:
Of course only JWs will not know the reason why human are called creation of God.

Silly you, why did you remove earth?


Yes mountains are born from your ass

Emusan:
Christ sent His followers INTO the WORLD
Christ said every man that cometh INTO THE WORLD
After seeing the miracle that Jesus did, they said: "...this is of a truth that prophet that should come INTO THE WORLD"

Being on earth doesn't mean you can't be sent into the world.

Christ said whom the Father hath SANCTIFIED, and SENT INTO the World...was the sanctification happened in heaven or at birth?

Apostle Paul says: "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that CHRIST JESUS came INTO THE WORLD... "

So it's no more Son that came it's now Jesus Christ.

I'll continue to expose your scriptural ignorance.

Image123:
Okay, nairaland readers, you are hereby left behind, i want to learn. I hope you don't link me with anybody later on though, I'll try reminding you.

TATIME:
Your two Questions.
(1) Born again
(2) Going to heaven

The two are linked together in just one concept. God never create humans for heavenly life{Psalms 115:16} that is why HE almost said nothing about what could be found in heaven from the beginning,but concentrated on what HE prepared for us as a home our indestructible EARTH!{Genesis 1:1-31}
Satan{a rebellious angel} inflenced Adam and Eve on a decision to RULE themselves {absolute freedom} which wasn't an attribute of any of God's creatures even angels in heaven had relative freedom. John 8:28
God had warn them of the consequences of that because this will eventually bring harm upon them and other creatures. Jeremiah 10:23, Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9
That is why DEATH must stop their continuous existence to reduce the damage they will eventually cause. Genesis 2:16-17
Jesus {angel Michael} willingly decided to redeem affected OBEDIENT humans who knew nothing about all of these{Daniel 12:1} God promised to give him enough time to train them to perfection. Psalms 110:1 Revelations 20:1-5
Jesus decided to take few humans to join him as corulers in the process {Luke 22:30} these chosen ones will all be from the descendants of Jacob{Israel} and rule the earth as His representatives from Jerusalem. But the Israelites forfeited this privilege by killing lots of God's messengers including Jesus Himself, so the invitation to participate in His government was blown open to other races. Matthew 22:1-14
So since Jerusalem is guilty of innocent blood { Matthew 27:25} the seat of government must change {Matthew 23:37} and as no other place on earth is fitting for such holy task, Jesus decided to take His corulers to another place "HEAVEN". John 14:1-4
That is why FEW humans will go and rule with Jesus in "heaven". And since God did not create humans with such a prospect, there is an urgent need for a compulsory rebirth for them to live as spirits{angels} in heaven.Matthew 22:30
So they MUST be BORN AGAIN, that means they need another kind of body not physical, that is why ONLY God HIMSELF {NOT Jesus} will choose them and anoint them with his spirit! Matthew 20:20-23
The rest of faithful mankind will live forever according to the original plan here on earth! Psalms 37:9-11,29 Matthew 5:5 Revelations 14:6
So only a limited number will go and rule with Jesus in heaven. Revelation 14:1
We are NOT part of that fold{John 10:16} that is why we are Neither born again nor have heavenly hope!

Image123:
You've answered well at last, good. Thank you. Hmmmm, i see, let me be polite. I'll comment later in the day. Thank you again.

Jozzy4:
You forgot that place said HaaVE this same MIND in you

So that means its proper for a Christian to see themselves as equal to God ?

malvisguy212:
you said first born of creation mean Christ was created, what about first born from the dead ? is He also the first to be raised from the dead ?

Barristter07:
Here is the Text you allude to.


John 17:18, “As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world.”

Emphasis on " Sent " .. Jesus disciples are from the earth . so we understand that at the moment of instructing them on what to say and their assignment, it was on earth.

Is Jesus from this realm ? Again: God send his son , from where? From where was he given instructions on what to say and speak?

One things stands out, he is a son at the point of been sent.

And He was saying to them, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. John 8:23

Does that ring a bell concerning his been sent inr the world ?

He replied to them: “Do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme ,’ because I said, I am God’s Son?”​ - John 10:36

Sanctified here means to be set apart , When ?
John 8:38 I am telling you the things I have seen while WITH the Father.

He also said the father has told him what he is to say

All this occur with his been set apart for a special assignment. Yet he said while with the Father . showing he is a son..

The person called Jesus Christ was sent from where?

Jozzy4:
Yes, the first to be truly raised from the dead and not to see death again.

malvisguy212:
there was resurrection from the dead in the old testament and in the ministry of Jesus. Jesus was not the first to be resurrected from the dead. so again, what is the meaning of Jesus being the firstborn from the dead ?

Emusan:
The first to be recreated after death, you know he was raised as spirit

malvisguy212:
yes. unlike other, He was raised to die NO more. long time bro.

Emusan:
Smile...
Long time sir!

asalimpo:
How does that verse alter the meaning of this verse i quoted?

malvisguy212:
yes. unlike other, He was raised to die NO more. long time bro.

Emusan:
Who doesn't know?
But your John 3:38 doesn't have anything to do with that

And the instructions can't come while on earth.

Olodo....
From Luke 1:35 which you haven't grabbed...the angel has already established that the thing Mary will give birth to SHALL BE CALLED the Son of God ...so what is the fuse all about, if Jesus addresses God as His Father?

Look at the choice of words you used here, it means there's another person outside the person of human Christ.

Funny I can see you find it hard to explain Apostle Paul statement. But remember you've been shouting what God sent is SON now Apostle Paul says Jesus Christ.

That PERSON is the WORD OF GOD who became human and called The Son of God.

malvisguy212:
there was resurrection from the dead in the old testament and in the ministry of Jesus. Jesus was not the first to be resurrected from the dead. so again, what is the meaning of Jesus being the firstborn from the dead ?

Jozzy4:
Read it again, if Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal to GOD, can we have the same mind and see ourselve equal to God ?

TATIME:
Your two Questions.
(1) Born again
(2) Going to heaven

The two are linked together in just one concept. God never create humans for heavenly life{Psalms 115:16} that is why HE almost said nothing about what could be found in heaven from the beginning,but concentrated on what HE prepared for us as a home our indestructible EARTH!{Genesis 1:1-31}

Satan{a rebellious angel} inflenced Adam and Eve on a decision to RULE themselves {absolute freedom} which wasn't an attribute of any of God's creatures even angels in heaven had relative freedom. John 8:28
God had warn them of the consequences of that because this will eventually bring harm upon them and other creatures. Jeremiah 10:23, Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9
That is why DEATH must stop their continuous existence to reduce the damage they will eventually cause. Genesis 2:16-17
Jesus {angel Michael} willingly decided to redeem affected OBEDIENT humans who knew nothing about all of these{Daniel 12:1} God promised to give him enough time to train them to perfection. Psalms 110:1 Revelations 20:1-5

Jesus decided to take few humans to join him as corulers in the process {Luke 22:30} these chosen ones will all be from the descendants of Jacob{Israel} and rule the earth as His representatives from Jerusalem. But the Israelites forfeited this privilege by killing lots of God's messengers including Jesus Himself, so the invitation to participate in His government was blown open to other races. Matthew 22:1-14
So since Jerusalem is guilty of innocent blood { Matthew 27:25} the seat of government must change {Matthew 23:37} and as no other place on earth is fitting for such holy task, Jesus decided to take His corulers to another place "HEAVEN". John 14:1-4
That is why FEW humans will go and rule with Jesus in "heaven". And since God did not create humans with such a prospect, there is an urgent need for a compulsory rebirth for them to live as spirits{angels} in heaven.Matthew 22:30

So they MUST be BORN AGAIN, that means they need another kind of body not physical, that is why ONLY God HIMSELF {NOT Jesus} will choose them and anoint them with his spirit! Matthew 20:20-23

The rest of faithful mankind will live forever according to the original plan here on earth! Psalms 37:9-11,29 Matthew 5:5 Revelations 14:6
So only a limited number will go and rule with Jesus in heaven. Revelation 14:1
We are NOT part of that fold{John 10:16} that is why we are Neither born again nor have heavenly hope!