Acadavah:

The Ugandans do not want to enter in Chinese debt trap.

Kenya is the weak link in East Africa.

What pride. I am dealing with your ignorance. One wishes Nigerian education would have armed you with at least basic economic 101 knowledge .

Kenya's SGR was expected to make losses until 2025. That is nature of such business. That is why Chinese gave us 10 yrs grace period before we start repaying the principal of the loan. We are now mostly making interest payments.

Our SGR cost about 1B kshs per month to ran - 12B shs per annum --- we need to earn at least 12B shs to break even - and we are nearly there.

First year(2017) that you are quoting we were running the passenger train alone - we managed only 2B against 12B - loses 12B.

2nd year(2018) - SGR earned 10Bshs - against 12B - losses 2B.

As you can see we are about to break even...way before 2025.

Infact we will start making operational profit - and the railway will soon start paying itself.

Do you even do such basic economic viability in your rail projects - that transport 400 passengers - or you're just swimming and wasting oil Money.

obaaderemi:
Too much empty talk. I like your patriotism but it can't save your country. I understand you are just fighting for pride. It's allowed. But I will continue to expose you with facts:


Tanzanians and Nigerians ,are far smarter than Kenyans.

Acadavah:

The Ugandans do not want to enter in Chinese debt trap.

Hahahaha! Failed project.

obaaderemi:
In case you've not noticed, Bro, that mkenya is the same person as rvp2018. So know it, he CAN NEVER STOP LYING.

Hahahaha! Who else! The guy can lie.

Mkenya2019:
Strawman arguments. When did I lie. SGR was always in phases. The total cost of MSA-Malaba was around 10B in 2014 when our GDP was around 50B. We began collecting Railway Dev Levy - a little early - which takes care of 15% of SGR development.

Now tell us about Nigeria - and how you plan to get to KANO

The Nairobi- Malaba sgr project started in 2011. Stop lying.

Mkenya2019:
What pride. I am dealing with your ignorance. One wishes Nigerian education would have armed you with at least basic economic 101 knowledge .

Kenya's SGR was expected to make losses until 2025. That is nature of such business. That is why Chinese gave us 10 yrs grace period before we start repaying the principal of the loan. We are now mostly making interest payments.

Our SGR cost about 1B kshs per month to ran - 12B shs per annum --- we need to earn at least 12B shs to break even - and we are nearly there.

First year(2017) that you are quoting we were running the passenger train alone - we managed only 2B against 12B - loses 12B.

2nd year(2018) - SGR earned 10Bshs - against 12B - losses 2B.

As you can see we are about to break even...way before 2025.

Infact we will start making operational profit - and the railway will soon start paying itself.

Do you even do such basic economic viability in your rail projects - that transport 400 passengers - or you're just swimming and wasting oil Money.

In conclusion, you are still lossing money. How you wan pay loan?

forgiveness:


In conclusion, you are still lossing money. How you wan pay loan?

Less than you're loosing.Business start from loosing money...then they break even..and they turn profitable..Don't me blame for your poor education. In any case if it never break even we have Railway Dev Plan with levy on every import and if that doesn't work we will pay off our treasury coffers

Mkenya2019:
Less than you're loosing.Business start from loosing money...then they break even..and they turn profitable..Don't me blame for your poor education. In any case if it never break even we have Railway Dev Plan.

Time is running out else Kenya is confiscated by China.

forgiveness:


Time is running out else Kenya is confiscated by China.

What time...the earliest tenor is 20yrs...with concessional not expected until maybe 2050.I wish you could say the same about your railway...that has no economic viability now or in the future...like your siblings Tanzanian.

obaaderemi:
This is what is wrong with Kenya's SGR :

Honest Kenyans know the Chinese not only ripped you off,they ripped you apart.

Are you comparing tz sgr which derailed during test runs to Kenya's sgr

forgiveness:



So, afterer 18 years of Nairobi- Malaba sgr project only one section is completed. Chaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

Which 18 years
Are you normal ??

tylann:


Are you comparing tz sgr which derailed during test runs to Kenya's sgr

They say cheap is expensive.AREMA or Class 2 China are cheaper to build but more expensive to run and maintain.The Turkish are doing a poor job down south but who will know when they can barely understand basic English.

Acadavah:

The Ugandans do not want to enter in Chinese debt trap.

Iam sorry avocado guy
But museveni has already commited Uganda to Kenya's sgr

How is your hoima tanga pipeline

samorobo:
Pls kenyans can you stop going on YouTube to admire our project "EKOATLANTIC '

What about the Eyimba and bayelsa project. Have they started the project

tylann:


Are you comparing tz sgr which derailed during test runs to Kenya's sgr

The Tz sgr first test will be November. When did that sgr test took place. In Tanzania there two railway projects ongoing. The first is Dar - Dom like 700km sgr and second renovation of old Dar - Tanga - Arusha railway which is not sgr. Both will undergo testing at the end of this year.

forgiveness:


The Nairobi- Malaba sgr project started in 2011. Stop lying.

You are a sickman
There is nothing like Nairobi malaba sgr project in Kenya

Kenya's sgr construction started in 2014 by 2017 it was done that is from mombasa to nairobi

tylann:


Which 18 years
Are you normal ??

Forgive Forgiveness he might not be sober at the moment

Mkenya2019:
They say cheap is expensive.AREMA or Class 2 China are cheaper to build but more expensive to run and maintain.The Turkish are doing a poor job down south but who will know when they can barely understand basic English.

Tanzania's sgr is substandard
And who takes commercial loans to fund infrastructure projects ??

Sam James Taylor flying the Kenyan flag �� at 8,848 m atop Mount Everest, Earth's highest mountain,

Acadavah:

The Tz sgr first test will be November. When did that sgr test took place. In Tanzania there two railway projects ongoing. The first is Dar - Dom like 700km sgr and second renovation of old Dar - Tanga - Arusha railway which is not sgr. Both will undergo testing at the end of this year.

Ooh please
We saw how you imported from turkey those train heads or whatever they name is
Which derailed the next day during test runs

rvp20182:
You'll find such articles funded or written by Western as Chines eat their challenges. The true story about Kenya SGR is great success. The NBO-MSA railway was constructed in record 3yrs - and began passengers services in June 2017 - and cargo in jan 2018. For passengers - four trains - two trains each direction ply the route daily. For Cargo - we began with 1 train in Jan - and kept adding a train every year - and now we are doing 14 trains each direction - about 28 trains per days.

Here is the chinese ambassador to Kenya take.

We believe SGR is economically viable. Note that in first year of operations, Mombasa-Nairobi SGR has earned Sh10.33 billion, which is close to the operating cost of Sh12 billion. It’s never easy for a railway project to achieve nearly break-even in a year. Kenyan and Chinese operators deserve credit for that achievement. China has full confidence in Kenya’s ability to make profits from SGR.

Where's your Link. Bring a better Link for this please!

tylann:

Ooh please
We saw how you imported from turkey those train heads or whatever they name is
Which derailed the next day during test runs

Those train heads will start to test the railway in July but the first full train in november. Now they are in welding those joints. https://www.legit.ng/1237333-tanzania-set-test-1st-electric-train-july-2019.html

Acadavah:


Those train heads will start to test the railway in July but the first full train in november. Now they are in welding those joints. https://www.legit.ng/1237333-tanzania-set-test-1st-electric-train-july-2019.html

Stop deceiving us
The information is all over
So the one that derailed is not tanzanian but it is tanganyikan

obaaderemi:

Nobody needs to keep tab on you. Your tomfoolery is everywhere for all to see. How many Nigerians do you see desperate to the point of commenting here with multiple accounts?
The Ghanaian vulcanizer is dead already. He has been shamed into embarrassing silence. You just reminded. me of him. Desperate birds of a feather.

I can ban you as much as I like and all you will do is cry all you can like you are doing now.That's power.

It's hilarious when someone who keeps saying nonsense thinks he has a functional brain.

If anyone is intimidated,it's clearly you.Everyone intimidates you. Heck,even Somalians of all people intimidate you and just stroll into your country's CBD to mess you up randomly. And what's worse? You continually allow your politicians to lead you by the nose while lying to you. How can a small country like you owe so much and be so poor to the point of being the poster child for starvation in the 21st century? It got so bad even china is rejecting your loan bids.

Of course,we know you live in a pigsty. How else would one describe Kibera?
We know the genesis of this unbridled frustration and anger of yours,rvp2018. It's all because we pointed out how the Chinese are ripping you off. But the facts are there and all sensible Kenyans have been warning for years.

Son,in the world of Men logic rules. Things may get heated but generally we accept facts. To do otherwise and to misuse one's power on a public forum to silence others is def feminine, which explains the excessive estrogen and emotion of your posts.
A Man has no need to refer to 'Little Indians and/or pigs during debate. Likewise, false advice and schadenfreude (look that up) are an unflattering reflection on the poster.
Son,you've been told!

tylann:


Stop deceiving us
The information is all over
So the one that derailed is not tanzanian but it is tanganyikan

Then show us where The tanzania sgr train head derail rather making claims.

Mkenya2019:
What pride. I am dealing with your ignorance. One wishes Nigerian education would have armed you with at least basic economic 101 knowledge .

Kenya's SGR was expected to make losses until 2025. That is nature of such business. That is why Chinese gave us 10 yrs grace period before we start repaying the principal of the loan. We are now mostly making interest payments.

Our SGR cost about 1B kshs per month to ran - 12B shs per annum --- we need to earn at least 12B shs to break even - and we are nearly there.

First year(2017) that you are quoting we were running the passenger train alone - we managed only 2B against 12B - loses 12B.

2nd year(2018) - SGR earned 10Bshs - against 12B - losses 2B.

As you can see we are about to break even...way before 2025.

Infact we will start making operational profit - and the railway will soon start paying itself.

Do you even do such basic economic viability in your rail projects - that transport 400 passengers - or you're just swimming and wasting oil Money.

It's either you are not very brilliant or you just like lying to yourself. Your sgr never made ksh10bn last year or ever. That was the lie they told you initially only for them to revise it down.I mean, who does that? This is the latest official report from your stat office:

Official data released on Friday showed
that SGR generated sales of Sh5.7 billion
last year on the back of the cargo
business.
These figures are different from the
numbers disclosed in March showing
the SGR generated sales of Sh10.33
billion, a performance that was the
basis of laudatory public comments by
the new Chinese ambassador to Kenya
Wu Peng last week.

This is the reason the Chinese refused to give you further loans on the SGR. You've been scammed.

kikuyu1:


Son,in the world of Men logic rules. Things may get heated but generally we accept facts. To do otherwise and to misuse one's power on a public forum to silence others is def feminine, which explains the excessive estrogen and emotion of your posts.
A Man has no need to refer to 'Little Indians and/or pigs during debate. Likewise, false advice and schadenfreude (look that up) are an unflattering reflection on the poster.
Son,you've been told!

You are a very foolish old man. Did you not see when your goon used the word "slowpoke" and other insults? Hypocritical piece of junk.Get the hell out of my face.

obaaderemi:
It's either you are not very brilliant or you just like lying to yourself. Your sgr never made ksh10bn last year or ever. That was the lie they told you initially only for them to revise it down.I mean, who does that? This is the latest official report from your stat office:
This is the reason the Chinese refused to give you further loans on the SGR. You've been scammed.

They overcook everything. I think later they will give us true figures of their GDP.

Acadavah:


Then show us where The tanzania sgr train head derail rather making claims.

It has been posted here on nairaland over and over again
Go back few pages you will see it

Acadavah:


They overcook everything. I think later they will give us true figures of their GDP.

What has kenya overcooked please tell us

tylann:

It has been posted here on nairaland over and over again Go back few pages you will see it

Show us.

Acadavah:


They overcook everything. I think later they will give us true figures of their GDP.

Their GDP is max $50bn. We already analyzed that.