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Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by budaatum: 4:42pm On Jun 24, 2019
ernieboy:
oga do u know the meaning of treasury bills and bonds?
Yes I do. They are borrowed money on which interest is paid!
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by budaatum: 4:43pm On Jun 24, 2019
ernieboy:
yes it is debt but the issuer( ie borrower) has control over the terms. they specify the repayment terms and maturity... guy just read up on bonds and treasury bills and u will be able to argue more intelligently.
Default is when you don't meet up with those terms like Argentine didn't!
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by LarryBee1k: 4:44pm On Jun 24, 2019
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by zoedew: 4:47pm On Jun 24, 2019
budaatum:

A large chunk of US debt is China too. About $1.12 trillion as of March 2019, that's 28% of the $4.07 trillion!

Now, do that analysis you done above again and lets see.

USA has its big economy, offshore manufacturing and investments in China to bargain with. The ongoing trade war is certain to hurt China more badly. Truth is, no economy worth calling one will put its innards at risk by allowing HUAWEI equipment on its sensitive telco network. Huawei cannot resist request by the Chinese Communist Party to access info on HUAWEI equipment anywhere located in the world. #backchannels

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Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by PoliteActivist: 4:48pm On Jun 24, 2019
BLUEJAYY:
You can't know that.

Look, we are absolutely corrupt that we can't run an organized, innovative and developed society. We can't even create such society in the first place. These people as we know, can.

South Africa is what it is today, because of the 'immigrants' who took over their land and developed it. Those white guys still run their economy and infrastructures.

The Nigerian man has to move over and let capable people take over due process since he's so corrupt to a fault.

There's no bloody way we can pay back those huge Chinese loans. I bet you 50% of those have been promptly looted. So the guys must come in and seize control of the collaterals.

Yes I can know that. China is totally different from anything u ever experienced. Think of it this way: the Party is the beloved head of your family who tells u how to be and to whom u owe total allegiance and must report any sign of dissention
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by zoedew: 4:51pm On Jun 24, 2019
LarryBee1k:


Freedom is overrated in Nigeria. This will keep the religion and tribalism in check. They shouldnt respect and tribe and kick the shit out each regional leader. We have to learn the hard way

You typify the drowning man! While he is underwater and faced with imminent death by drowning he sees the floating piece of straw up above as if it is a log of wood and representative of a life-line. His desperation obliterates the need for a choice and he’ll be long dead on a journey of no return before he realises he made a costly mistake clutching at the straw when he really needed a log of wood to stay afloat and alive! China as presently constituted is not good for our society! If we must do business with them all eyes must be wide opened!

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Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by PoliteActivist: 4:54pm On Jun 24, 2019
LarryBee1k:


Freedom is overrated in Nigeria. This will keep the religion and tribalism in check. They shouldnt respect and tribe and kick the shit out each regional leader. We have to learn the hard way

If this were China, Buhari and APC will be like part of your family infact head of the family to whom u must agree with anything they say and must report any family member who appears to disagree
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by kernel01: 4:54pm On Jun 24, 2019
byrron:


Nigeria ought to be at the point now where it should use it's own senses to make decisions that is best for it's survival and not what a percieved friend nor foe advices her to do.

Stupidly is doing same retrogressive things for decades and expecting progressive outcomes.


You're right. How can a man take loan, and pay fees? No power, no road, no industries... And you think Chinese won't take over Nigeria in a short time?

Last year, with more than $1 billion in debt to China, Sri Lanka handed over a port to companies owned by the Chinese government. Now Djibouti, home to the US military’s main base in Africa, looks about to cede control of another key port to a Beijing-linked company

The Chinese are targeting ports to influx every defaulting country with made in China goods. Let's forget America, but face reality.

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Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by Bluffly: 4:55pm On Jun 24, 2019
And we can't see anything going on. Just Debts
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by BLUEJAYY: 4:58pm On Jun 24, 2019
PoliteActivist:


Yes I can know that. China is totally different from anything u ever experienced. Think of it this way: the Party is the beloved head of your family who tells u how to be and to whom u owe total allegiance and must report any sign of dissention
China isn't taking over the government. That can't happen.

All I'd love is for them to take over the development and maintenance infrastructures and amenities.

Anyway, whatever China does it would be in alignment with the terms of agreement signed by both countries.

So if our leaders have gone ahead to sell the country to China I wouldn't be surprised a bit.

We the citizens are so divided, ignorant and docile to take any action or have a say after all.
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by simplesearch: 4:58pm On Jun 24, 2019
bro4u:
From the write-up they are actually warning us from taking Chinese loans, lols which looks like a cry from a drowning nation because nations no longer go to the US for loans but now opt for the Chinese. Hypocrites, they won't tell you they are the biggest debtor in the world.


What they are saying is simple, we lend you guys money and when you guys couldn't pay back we write-off some of the debt and probably reduced lending, instead of growing your economy and making it work you guys stealthily turn to china to continue your borrowing, just know for once that china won't write off your debt cos their initial purpose of extending this kind gesture is to permanently enslave you people. At the end of the day we will request a pay back and not a write off since you guys can figure out a means of repayment for china who does not write off debt, you guys should also be ready to pay us back as we will no longer forgive you people this time around. This is a good talk my brother!

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Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by TroubleMaker47(m): 4:59pm On Jun 24, 2019
JubrinElSudan:
The worst is that African's major creditor is China. Some persons will say US/IMF/Paris club etc are angry Africans don't borrow from them, but atleast the western creditors had history of erasing some of the debts. But China? China will lend you, use her manpower to execute the projects(like CCECC is doing to us), and once you default, they take over
God bless u.
Africans don't still understand the greed inherent in communist govt!
THEY WOULD NEVER ERASE YOUR DEBT!
instead they would secretly pray u default so they can take 10X the value of the loan!
Just like our banks!

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Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by Empiree: 4:59pm On Jun 24, 2019
Flier:
They are jealous of Chinese influence in Africa
Whether they are jealous or not, African countries need to be careful of Chinese loan and loans generally. You see what happens in Sri Lanka is gradually manifested in Nigeria. They loan you what you can't pay back. As a result, Chinese take over certain percentage of the country. It becomes Chinese territory. They have more rights than citizens. Did you not hear about a Chinese restaurant kicked out nigerian people and black customers out of their restaurant in Lagos?. But security of restaurant is a nigerian guy. Bottomline of this narrative is to tell you that you will be slaves in your own country. Debt should always be avoided by any means necessary.

Why is Nigeria borrowing money when a senator is earning billions of naira a month for doing nothing?. THINK

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Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by budaatum: 4:59pm On Jun 24, 2019
zoedew:


USA has its big economy, offshore manufacturing and investments in China to bargain with. The ongoing trade war is certain to hurt China more badly. Truth is, no economy worth calling one will put its innards at risk by allowing HUAWEI equipment on its sensitive telco network. Huawei cannot resist request by the Chinese Communist Party to access info on HUAWEI equipment anywhere located in the world. #backchannels
Ok. If you believe so. But wasn't American AT&T and Qualcomm crying over Huawei ban. I wonder who is hurting.
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by LarryBee1k: 5:03pm On Jun 24, 2019
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by PoliteActivist: 5:04pm On Jun 24, 2019
byrron:


A well simplified summary of the subject in discuss.
If you still don't get it after reading the comment above, then you are ..................

Thanks bro. Nigerians have never experienced what it is like when the govt becomes as an intimate member if your family, head of your family, whom you must love, can't disagree with, and must report anybody who seems to disagree
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by BLUEJAYY: 5:04pm On Jun 24, 2019
kernel01:



You're right. How can a man take loan, and pay fees? No power, no road, no industries... And you think Chinese won't take over Nigeria in a short time?

Last year, with more than $1 billion in debt to China, Sri Lanka handed over a port to companies owned by the Chinese government. Now Djibouti, home to the US military’s main base in Africa, looks about to cede control of another key port to a Beijing-linked company

The Chinese are targeting ports to influx every defaulting country with made in China goods. Let's forget America, but face reality.
I think it's also happening in Zimbabwe. It's inevitable.

If Africa can't take care of herself, the world will take over her resources. We can't just be a waste of space and parasites to the world.
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by LarryBee1k: 5:04pm On Jun 24, 2019

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Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by Nobody: 5:07pm On Jun 24, 2019
kernel01:



You're right. How can a man take loan, and pay fees? No power, no road, no industries... And you think Chinese won't take over Nigeria in a short time?

Last year, with more than $1 billion in debt to China, Sri Lanka handed over a port to companies owned by the Chinese government. Now Djibouti, home to the US military’s main base in Africa, looks about to cede control of another key port to a Beijing-linked company

The Chinese are targeting ports to influx every defaulting country with made in China goods. Let's forget America, but face reality.

Sadly, African politicians knows this but gives no Zap about its adverse effects and consequences on the wellbeing of its Citizens simply because they are busy amassing wealth and will also become stakeholders on those mortgaged national assets when it gets acquired by the current money lenders.

Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by PoliteActivist: 5:09pm On Jun 24, 2019
LarryBee1k:


If that will beat sense into us. I'm okay with it.

You can also kiss your language, culture, traditions, and religions goodbye. You sure that's what you want?
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by zoedew: 5:10pm On Jun 24, 2019
LarryBee1k:


Are they really wide open. We should stop deceiving ourselves. Nigeria can only be better by external deadly force that recognizes no religion and tribe.

This is not about religion and tribe as it is about dealing with corruption. If we will enforce anti-corruption laws we should be okay in Nigeria. For example, corrupt folks should be kept in the same police cells hardened criminals are in. The mere thought of spending time in hardened criminals cell should send cold shivers down the spine of the typical corrupt Nigerian public official each time corruption is contemplated! Our values must be given fillip by the enforcement of our anti-corruption statutes
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by drakeli: 5:11pm On Jun 24, 2019
bro4u:
From the write-up they are actually warning us from taking Chinese loans, lols which looks like a cry from a drowning nation because nations no longer go to the US for loans but now opt for the Chinese. Hypocrites, they won't tell you they are the biggest debtor in the world.
China is the new slave master. Using loans to enslave African nations. Tell China to give aides not loan.
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by jaxxy(m): 5:11pm On Jun 24, 2019
bro4u:
From the write-up they are actually warning us from taking Chinese loans, lols which looks like a cry from a drowning nation because nations no longer go to the US for loans but now opt for the Chinese. Hypocrites, they won't tell you they are the biggest debtor in the world.

Listen to urself. When u owe the us or IMF do they takeover ur strategic assets? That’s what the us is warning u about China and Ure here thinking Chinese are ur blood relatives that are doing charity work for u?
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by PoliteActivist: 5:12pm On Jun 24, 2019
zoedew:


You typify the drowning man! His desperation obliterates the need for a choice and he’ll be long dead on a journey of no return before he realises he made a costly mistake! China as presently constituted is not good for our society! If we must do business with them all eyes must be wide opened!

So true
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by SIRTee15: 5:12pm On Jun 24, 2019
budaatum:


I bet you can't name five national assets that Nigeria would use as collateral to China. And wouldn't US have to relinquish some of its very juicy assets if they can't pay their debt? Go read up about the Argentina Debt Crisis and the more recent in Italy and Greece. You might get an idea.


NNPC, NLNG, Nigerian refinery, Lagos port, murtala Muhammad airport or Abuja airport, free oil wells in naija delta, Nigerian railway, installing toll gates on Nigerian major highway.....
China can even demand to take over top schools like unilag, UI or ABU....
These are juicy assets with good ROI.....
It's like u oblivious of what's happening in Nigeria....
The last time the country was broke, FG contemplated selling some of these assets....
Dangote even suggested n supported the idea.....
Whether we like or not, these assets will be sold...
It's just a matter of time...

America don't need to give up any assets to China...
She owed her debt in dollars, a currency she has full control over...
If China demand for their loan, all America need to do is print more dollars n throw it at them...
It's left for China to chew on what to do with the worthless printed dollars...
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by budaatum: 5:15pm On Jun 24, 2019
I wonder what you think 200 million Nigerians would do to those assets if they belonged to China.

SIRTee15:

NNPC, NLNG, Nigerian refinery, Lagos port, murtala Muhammad airport or Abuja airport, free oil wells in naija delta, Nigerian railway, installing toll gates on Nigerian major highway.....
China can even demand to take over top schools like unilag, UI or ABU....
These are juicy assets with good ROI.....
It's like u oblivious of what's happening in Nigeria....
The last time the country was broke, FG contemplated selling some of these assets....
Dangote even suggested n supported the idea.....
Whether we like or not, these assets will be sold...
It's just a matter of time...

America don't need to give up any assets to China...
She owed her debt in dollars, a currency she has full control over...
If China demand for there loan, all America need to do is print more dollars n throw it at them...
It's left for China to chew on what to do with the worthless printed dollars...
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by jaxxy(m): 5:19pm On Jun 24, 2019
Ngwamankillyou:
You don't care about Africa so why talking bullshit about our debt, stupid America.

Actually they do and wud rather give u practical ways to fix ur problems by putting ur house in order, China will give u loans even with ur corruption so they can takeover u completely. Does China have tolerance for corruption in there own country? No zero tolerance that’s why things work there Bt they allow u to be corrupt as u like because they know u don’t hv sense.
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by drakeli: 5:20pm On Jun 24, 2019
We owe the US. The US still dey give us aides join. But this one about China. Na die oooo. China go put up Nigeria for sale
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by budaatum: 5:27pm On Jun 24, 2019
SIRTee15:


If China demand for there loan, all America need to do is print more dollars n throw it at them...
It's left for China to chew on what to do with the worthless printed dollars...
Where Nigeria is concerned you think China has a brain, but you throw their Chinese brain in the dustbin where America is concerned lol.

Everyday you moan about the dysfunctionality of those assets and think they are worth something to China when the truth is, if China does want your useless Nigerian assets they'll just throw dollars at you and buy them all for far less than they lend you, and some of them would be better for it. Just think TCUnilag, The Chinese University of Lagos!
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by SIRTee15: 5:32pm On Jun 24, 2019
budaatum:
I wonder what you think 200 million Nigerians would do to those assets if they belonged to China.


200 million Nigerians can do nothing...
Once it's sold to China, it belongs to them...
The first thing they will do is replace top management staffs with Chinese....
Few Nigerians will be retained to act as house niggas....
So don't even think Nigerians will benefit....

Nigerians are too docile and stupid to initiate any form of resistance or organise themselves in order to restructure their community....
U guys that can't oppose your own elected leaders....
Na Chinese man una wan fight....
The Chinese man is ruthless n lacks conscience. His god is money. He believes in servitude n hard labour....
And that's what they will expect from Nigerians....
U guys will work hard until every single penny of the loan is paid back with interest....
He go do Una like dream....

The good thing is for the first time....
Nigerians will come to appreciate hardwork......
And that's the only reason I support China taking over...
Re: US Warns Nigeria, African Countries Over Debt Burden. by Ngwamankillyou(m): 5:33pm On Jun 24, 2019
jaxxy:


Actually they do and wud rather give u practical ways to fix ur problems by putting ur house in order, China will give u loans even with ur corruption so they can takeover u completely. Does China have tolerance for corruption in there own country? No zero tolerance that’s why things work there Bt they allow u to be corrupt as u like because they know u don’t hv sense.

Keep kwayet house negro, look at who is talking about fiscal responsibility when America is bed riddled with huge debt from China, America has no moral standing to educate Africans about debt when they are the most indebted and corrupt nation that ever lived... Africa is for Africans to decide who we borrow from or not.. We are happy to collaborate with China whether the gringos likes it or not.

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