₦airaland Forum

TayserMahri:
Totally agree with Duale. High time Kenyans stop playing "cute" as Trump would say. Otherwise in the future when the economy is very vibrant and Africans flood the place Kenyans will start hunting Nigs (and other foreigners) themselves like in Mzansi. I mean I dont mind hunting a Nigerian or a Tanzanian with my gun but I have better things to do! Then you'll have Africans from poor countries telling you shiit like : "You Kenyans are lazy". You can imagine a Tanzanian telling you that. Incredible. On this motion I support Duale 100 %. Responsible immigration and tit for tat diplomacy.

You're late.Ugandas have cornered the house & bar maid business, the Rwandese and Burundi are all over Nairobi working in salons and tailor shops,Somalia long took the hawking & hotel business, Tanzania dominate begging & withcraft plus flea markets of main cities, and Congolese want inofficially but they are all over selling dangerous beauty products.Even Nigerians had become a problem.The problem kshs is so strong these guys are willing to work for nearly nothing.But Kenyans are in East African doing the big things.Lets leave the dregs to them.Few Kenyans want to work as house girls for example.For Chinese, Whites and Indians you got be worried.But look at Rwanda..they are not afraid of foreigners.Kenya will be better if it adopt Rwanda stance.We just don't need the criminal minded ones like most Naijas...but someone working his arse off doing manual labour is not competition.

tylann:
Why is Tanzania the only country complaining
Tanzania authorities have been harassing Kenyans in Tanzania Kenya has never complained but now a mere personal trash from an mp Tanzanians are all over crying as if they have been attacked
I wish the xenophobic attack could have happened

So,do u want us to laugh when you do rubbish? If Ugandans doesn't complain does that means you are correct to be xenophobic? Dude,if you can't compete in business world,just go eat sand in Turkana

Kazikazi:
So,do u want us to laugh when you do rubbish? If Ugandans doesn't complain does that means you are correct to be xenophobic? Dude,if you can't compete in business world,just go eat sand in Turkana

If you reciprocated Kenya generosity we would be great friends but you have de jure hostility policy to kenyans.Uganda n Rwanda treat Kenyans well.Reciprocity is key.Bring your Mituba traders and allow our professionals to work in TZ

Mkenya2019:
You're late.Ugandas have cornered the house & bar maid business, the Rwandese and Burundi are all over Nairobi working in salons and tailor shops,Somalia long took the hawking & hotel business, Tanzania dominate begging & withcraft plus flea markets of main cities, and Congolese want inofficially but they are all over selling dangerous beauty products.Even Nigerians had become a problem.The problem kshs is so strong these guys are willing to with work for nothing.But Kenyans are in East African doing the big things.Lets leave the dregs to them.Few Kenyans want to work as house girls for example.For Chinese, Whites and Indians you got be worried.But look at Rwanda..they are not afraid of foreigners.Kenya will be better if it adopt Rwanda stance.We just don't need the criminal minded ones like most Naijas...but someone working his arse off doing manual labour is not competition.

You are full of lies.Are you saying Ugandans are in house maid stuff? That means your MP wants Ugandans out so his people could do house chores? And he wants Tanzanians out so u people could do business in flea market? Sad. In conclusion I can say u fellows have nothing! You desires being a house maid? A hawking too?

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Kazikazi:
You are full of lies.Are you saying Ugandans are in house maid stuff? That means your MP wants Ugandans out so his people could do house chores? And he wants Tanzanians out so u people could do business in flea market? Sad. In conclusion I can say u fellows have nothing! You desires being a house maid? A hawking too?

Jaguar is mp of Nairobi's Kamukunji whose biggest area and economic activity is Gikomba...East Africa biggest flea market..and assorted slum complex that have Wachaggas of TZ doing all sort of business.Those Wachaggas and Sukuma have been in kenya for many years.They mainly sell mitumba, prostitute, sell boiled eggs ,beg, and engage in withcraft.Kibera has their own mp...it a slum that lots of Nubian Sudanese (Now Kenyans) who engaged in illegal alcohol brewing...and so is Mathare.In Mombasa you find Mozambique sisal workers who are also now Kenyan tribe with Asians.Way forward is to make those Wachaggas and Sukumas Kenya tribe...they've been in Kenya for nearly 100yrs now.

gallivant:
The only problem is there is no business done by Tanzanians. I can't think of any Tanzanian entity involved in legal business and paying taxes! Just beggars all over the place. The guy should be released.

You are just a denialist. There are too many big businesses which are owned by Tanzanians in Kenya.Azam is one of them.I don't know if I should mention all hundreds of businesses

Mkenya2019:
[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]Jaguar is mp of Nairobi's Kamukunji whose biggest area and economic activity is Gikomba...East Africa biggest flea market..and assorted slum complex that have Wachaggas of TZ doing all sort of business.Those Wachaggas and Sukumad have been in kenya for many years.Kibera has their own mp...it a slum that lots of Nubian Sudanese who engaged in illegal alcohol brewing.

The question remains...
Is your MP wants those poor mans little businesses for his people in Kenya? Is he crying for second hand clothing hawking business in Gikomba market?

That means Kenyans are too poor!

Kazikazi:
The question remains...
Is your MP wants those poor mans little businesses for his people in Kenya? Is he crying for second hand clothing hawking business in Gikomba market?

That means Kenyans are too poor!

There are at least 15m poor Kenyans and Jaguar represent one such constituency of urban poor.There are 17mps in Nairobi..some represent the affluent people of Karen, Westlands etc.others Kibera,Mathare, Kamukunji etc.Kenya obviously like South Africa is attracting lots desperate people from region like TZ willing to work for nearly nothing because 1 ksh is like 24 Tz shs....so xenophobia is going to start soon if we don't nip it in the bud.Uganda 2nd source of remittance after US is Kenya.

Jonraid:
He once did. Actually, Algeria looks nicer than the country with the biggest GDP in Africa!

I don't see that as a problem.china is Asia's largest economy but everyone knows that tokyo,Seoul, Singapore,Hong Kong is better looking than any chinese cities. In nigeria's case that is about to change let's say in the next 7-10 years.but our cities are better than any Kenyan city and that's fact

edon21:
Nah Namibia looks far better than Nairoslve

Fact. Their roads alone say it's all

vaxx:
Apparently you are more obtuse than i thought. You have to quote me twice just to repeat what seems to be difficult for you to understand.


what are you saying? east Asia (particularly China has been known as most populated country in history and it has retain this position as far back as 2000 years. India too was not so much of a big deal. The current birth rate of India is 2.4 not much gap of difference from Nigeria with 3.2 growth rate. Africa largest country by population. Nigeria is currently about 2.6 of the world population while India is about 17.4 .

http://www.prb.org/

Not entirely true, China run a close economy during the cultural revolution of mao and she was sluggish opening up her economy. Some city like Shanghai were the the first to open up. And not all sector were open. China recently run fully open market not quite long age. And researcher have suggest China was able to run a successful close economy due to a larger size. Which will be impossible for a country like Togo to-do since she has a few population to stair up the economy. China will attribute her success rate to the base effect of her demographic boom during the close market.

You have challenge. Every one know this and nobody is arguing about that. The only issue here is why demographic boom can easily be overturned and programmed properly to the benefit of the economy, the former is seriously and damaging to the sustainability of the growth of a nation. It is one of the reasons why most declining nation in population are experiencing sluggish economic growth.


You are mad once again. Are you spoonfeeding an India like you here. In 2020, the average Indian will be 29 years old or Nigeria around 19 years compared that with an average age of 37 in China and the United States, 45 in Western Europe, and 48 in Japan. This simply demonsrate that there will be a large and growing labour force in India than above country yet unemployment rate keep rising in India from 5 percent to 7 percent rate. despite the econmy growth, india is Hardwick to fiill up unemployment holes. Since the growing working age are not SKILLFUL enough. India recently pull out of Pisa . Global education ranking which have continuously ranked India below . This is to show something is wrong with India EDUCATIONAl structure. Therefore , demographic dividend will only be an advantage on paper and if left un-utilized, it will sours into unbearable burden for the nation. Just like I said earlier, . But right choices of goverment in a populated country can transform balloon nation into a healthy, educated, empowered labor force. It is easier when such nation invested heavily on the critical sector ( health and education) This is what lifts people out of poverty in Japan, south Korea, China. We are taliking about the ability of government to invest more in child education and health care here. Doing this will be providing for a healthier cohort of working adults / with ready skills, ready to move into the economy’s expanding job market that primarily have a large populated advantage. You only benefit from demographic dividends when investment in critical sector are possible . Remember the base effect of a control population too. So a well grounded policy such as investment into above critical sector i made earlier will solve the pussle becuse it will create more entrepreneurial spirit minded population instead of job seeking population. Larger population with sophisticated idea have more entrepreneurial citizens than smaller nations. China , USA and south Korea. Even by absolute Nigeria as the largest populated black nation has more entrepreneurial individual than most of the sub Saharan black nations.

What grows nation are investment in critical sector. Demographic devinded is only an advantage on paper when right choices are not taking.


You must be hyping yourself way above your reasoning. That advice actually is direct opinion you must take seriously. Don't pick nicketing, there are more chances that you might be subjective in your THOUGHT.


what is this madness?
This is called a free market. China benefit from her sheer size of her domestic markets during her close market perioud. She is so big enough to do so. Africa is not economically sustainable like Asia becuse it is not as integrated as Asia. Well, that story is about to change. By July 1 of this year. most Africans country are signing into a single trade zone. The market analyst predicted it to worth around 2 trillion dollar.

Yet India economy growth is not filling up unemployment holes. Because of the same similar structure of governance is running alonside african state. Those who are benefiting are those who already have enoghh capital and assets, the free market economic model takes wealth from the poor and gives it to the rich. China system was able to outsmart this.



India had the second lowest score rate of education standard in the entire south Asia. Not until when investment are largely direct to this sector, India will still remain where it is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.business-standard.com/article-amp/economy-policy/underinvesting-in-health-education-is-now-risking-india-s-economic-future-118092500110_1.html


Not just controlling the population growth alone but investing in the direct sector. Even if China China curb her population growth without pumping much investment into the critical sector. The case of China will still not be different from India today. Which further grounded my assessment that demographic dividends is adjust an advantage on paper if investment are not directed into critical sector of the society . Healthy citizens and skilfully population tends to change the dynamic of a nation more positively.

Countries where education levels are already high, where much investment in transport and communications systems is in place, and where political and economy systems are relatively stable, are well equipped to cope with rapid population grow than vice versa. Population growth should be maintain in accordance with the economy growth. Overrun it has is own downward effect. North America, Japan has experience economic growth by moderates population growth of recent. .


""india has the second-lowest education score (66/100) amongst its South Asian counterparts.

Poor quality education and the relatively high prevalence of certain diseases amongst the population means India is risking its future economic growth by underinvesting in two key areas important for workforce productivity, according to a new study. ""HEALTH and EDUCATION "

Indians work for just six-and-a-half years at peak productivity (compared to 20 years in China, 16 in Brazil and 13 in Sri Lanka), ranking 158th out of 195 countries in an international ranking of human capital"

http://www.healthdata.org/

Note . Human capital are just a combination of health and education which India lacks.

Nearly bullshilt. We not be able to cover all the flaws. There is what is know in economics as initial conditions’. India and China are historical known to have some of the world giant economy ( human and agricultural land) both China and India , accounted for more than half of the world industrial production before the Industrial Revolution.. And This is the same reason China and India GDP are projected to overtake usa accordingly. .there have been a permanent and industrial cultivation of agricultural product in Asia which has existed for nearly as 3,000 years ago.. India only face a major set back in the 60s and 70s due to political instability which is yet to get her self out till date. Modern China has never been poorer like africa . China was the world largest economy in 1820 and is about to take it in the next few years.well in compare to india , the whole of Africa is not historically disadvantaged. Ancient agricultural countries like Egypt , Tunisia and Algeria are fully on par with India in growth potential, and in fact, are much richer than India today.


About Brazil. That will be a story for another day.

You waste your time on this fellow, he is a ravey looney

Mkenya2019:
Oba, before I respond other issues, no maize or rice is smuggled to Kenya from ug or tz, those pass through coz of East Africa custom union.The problem is that low quality maize end up in strategic maize reserve where it attract a premium instead of Kenya hybrid maize.You can import anything from EAC without any problems.Somalis smuggle sugar, rice and nearly everything thro their porous insecure Somalia border with Kenya and have crushed those sectors.They have also made contraband businesses.We don't cook our stats though to claim what we don't produce.We produce less than o.2M tonnes of rice and we can show the rice paddies. My problem is why does your gov lie about 15m of rice when 3yrsago you were 2nd biggest global importer of rice. Why lie that your long collapsed agri is world Sixth biggest...if not the Fourth. Why lie to yourselves?

we started rice revolution in 2015, our fed govt invested heavily in rice production in d last 4years, restricted forex for rice importation... our plan is to be sufficient in rice and export by 2020.

Today, we're d largest rice producer in d continent and reducing rice importation.

obaaderemi:
No,MrMkulumuke. In 2016 total Benin rice import was 2million metric tonnes and not 2.2m. Now Benin has a population of 11million and they love rice even more than Nigerians. Let me help you a bit---- If 90%(which is not possible anyway) of all that rice comes to Nigeria, that's 1.8m metric tonnes.

In 2017 it was 2.5m metric tonnes and you will be super stupid to say all Benin's rice import came to Nigeria. Remember,they are 11m people. If 90% comes to Nigeria, that's 2.2mmt. Cameroon never did 1mmt.
If added up all the parboiled rice imported by those countries is hardly 3mmt.If 90% comes to Nigeria, then that's around 2.7mmt.

So basically if Nigeria consumes over 7mmt and out of this 2.7mmt is smuggled in,that means Nigeria consumes about 4.3 locally produced rice.It means by your own claims Nigeria is indeed Africa's largest rice producer.

This last part is pure unadulterated nonsense. The point is not clear.Please modify it when your anger and frustration cools down.

He can't believe that in 3 years nigeria as turned around its agricultural sector and we now produce 15m metric tonnes of rice. He wishes us not to become a diversified economy hence he keeps telling himself nigeria's diversification sector is a charade so he can sleep well at night thinking they won't rise as oil price is down and they will remain that way and suffer. All I see is hatred and foolishness on his part. If he think our stats are fake he should ask himself this simple question "WHY IS IT THAT NIGERIA AN OIL DEPENDENT ECONOMY THAT WENT INTO RECESSION WITH ITS FELLOW OIL DEPENDENT ECONOMY FROM MIDDLE EAST TO AFRICA, HAS THE HIGHEST GDP GROWTH AND CAME OUT OF RECESSION FASTER THAN ANY OTHER?

Mombasa Kenya.

Kazikazi:
So,do u want us to laugh when you do rubbish? If Ugandans doesn't complain does that means you are correct to be xenophobic? Dude,if you can't compete in business world,just go eat sand in Turkana

Mathafacker you just argue without reasoning
No foreigner has been attacked in kenya
Why would kenyans start attacking ugandans who are mostly housemaids and barmaids
Why should we attack tanzanians who are mainly beggars ,witchdoctors and mitumba dealers ( although personally i wont mind attacking a tanzanian witchdoctor)
Why should we attack foreigners

Some countries like somalia and tanzania are taking advantage of Kenya's humility

Kazikazi:
You are just a denialist. There are too many big businesses which are owned by Tanzanians in Kenya.Azam is one of them.I don't know if I should mention all hundreds of businesses

Please mention them
Don't forget Kenya is one of the largest investors in tanzania
You have only azam nothing else .

68816419:
Researchers in architecture from Namibia were in Lagos to study Oshodi interchange terminal. Link of struts at the parabola forming the multi level car park and trusses is the first of its kind in Africa. It'll rank the most structurally complex edifice in Africa when completed.

You are going to have to do more than thus minor explanation, try to be more elaborate. Kenyan are not use to such kind of infastructure and a simple explanation will suffice so they can understand .like we all know they are not use to world class infastructure except over cost failure highly indebted infastructure

Mkenya2019:
There are at least 15m poor Kenyans and Jaguar represent one such constituency of urban poor.There are 17mps in Nairobi..some represent the affluent people of Karen, Westlands etc.others Kibera,Mathare, Kamukunji etc.Kenya obviously like South Africa is attracting lots desperate people from region like TZ willing to work for nearly nothing because 1 ksh is like 24 Tz shs....so xenophobia is going to start soon if we don't nip it in the bud.Uganda 2nd source of remittance after US is Kenya.

Let me educate u..
Kenya's biggest problem is pride. You have been too proud for too long. You have been believing Kenya to be ahead of any nation in east Africa,which is a lie! You have remained stagnant economically for decades while the neighboring states have been progressing. From manufacturing to agriculture, you have been performing badly. To make matters worse u have overvalued your Kenyan shilling by over 30%. That's absurd.Your currency don't match ur economy.

In manufacturing, your products are uncompetitive. That's a reason you imports cooking oil from Jinja,Uganda.Many products from neighboring countries are way cheaper than Kenya's products.Your pride caused all that.You are too proud to work for a lesser pay.

In agriculture, its the same thing happening. You import maize,fruits and a lot other stuff from Tz. The little you produce in Kenya are too expensive. Your farmers can't compete. They cry.Your cost of production is too high.And again,your pride caused all that.

I assure you,If you don't change,You will keep on loosing jobs and starve.Swallow your pride. Devalue your currency to match your economy. And if you devalue by that 30%,your economy will be around 60b.That will be a true picture of your economy. Your products will be produced cheaper,and you will regain your competitive edge.

But I know your pride won't allow you! You will keep on defending your schilling and overvaluing it just to appear great.By the end of the day,more jobs will be shed! More poverty,more starvation and deepening the levels of xenophobia

68816419:
Still on the Best highways infrastructures in Africa (Abuja)

Take it easy before kenyans will steal this and call it thika road.they always claim what's not theirs just thesame way they tool Tanzania pics and was claiming it's to be theirs only for Kazikazi to bust them

Mkenya2019:
it's easy to dismantle rice because import data is available. We know Benin a country of 10m people are second world biggest importer of Rice after China for a reason.We know Cameroun are also ratcheting their numbers.But Nigeria Buhari propaganda will claim to have in 3yrs turn around Nigeria rice production from 2-4m to 15m tonnes.Only in Nigeria do you hear such audacious outlandish claims.Their fertilizers consumption is flattened out during the period.If we did the same for Cassava where they claim to ridiculously produce 35m tonnes and the Yams and then Maize. You'll know just how overcooked their GDP is... that claim to have agriculture worth nearly 100b dollars... that they consume it all and still have space in their big malnourished stomachs to import 22B dollars worth of food...add maybe 5b dollar food smuggled in from their neighborhood. That is possibly the most food import of any country.They only export very few cocoa beans.They are telling us a typical Nigeria family of 7-8 members each consume about 10,000usd per annum of food.And yet they are very malnourished and food insecure.

We now produce 15m metric tonnes of rice. Argue with your ancestors. While you are at that keep importing foods from Uganda and Tanzania, who knows if rwanda is your next importing destination

tylann:
Please mention them
Don't forget Kenya is one of the largest investors in tanzania
You have only azam nothing else .

If I mention all Tanzanians investments in Kenya,the page won't be enough.You only know azam because you eats azam foodstuffs and drink azam energy drink!
Do u know Lake oil from Tz?
Do u know village supermarkets?
Who assembles those top notch safari vans?
Do u know KCB shareholders?
What about in blue chip industry?
Have u questioned about the investors in NSE?

Kazikazi:
You are just a denialist. There are too many big businesses which are owned by Tanzanians in Kenya.Azam is one of them.I don't know if I should mention all hundreds of businesses

I swear this nigga will beat us all to death with AZAM! OK, WE EAT, SLEEP AND DRINK AZAM 24/7-HAPPY NOW?

68816419:
I don't lie you fool, here is another link
https://city-press.news24.com/Business/hotel-chains-bet-on-africas-rising-20190613

They don't believe things like this.They just remain in that poultry and cook up things that appease them so they can have a good night rest

obaaderemi:
Mkulumuke,you are desperate, sir. Vietnam's rice export to Africa is negligible. I have attached a chart of rice export by Vietnam. See it and stop being foolish. You brought up Brazil, Indonesia, US and Malaysia and I exposed your ignorance about each of them.Now it's Vietnam. Desperation.
I have shown you with charts and all that smuggled rice into Nigeria is about 2.7mmt and not 3mmt. I have been very generous there. It's not even up to that in reality.

Nigeria's official rice import is currently negligible. 2.7mmt smuggled and about 5mmt produced locally. In fact many Nigerians can't even tell the rice apart these days.The local varieties have flooded the market and prices are dropping fast.

I don't know what your nemesis Yemi Kale claims but from all indications Nigeria is currently producing over 5mmt of rice. Egypt's rice production has dropped from what it was. Right now Nigeria is number one in Africa.

Oh,yes. Nigeria is self sufficient in rice production but from your own articles, the rice cabal is fighting back seriously by smuggling through benin. But it's getting harder by the day. It's not much different from Tanzanians and Ugandans flooding your market with smuggled maize and rice. From experience you should know smuggling cabals are tough.

Of course we will soon begin to export rice. Who knew Nigeria would one day dominate Africa in cement? Fools like you scoffed at the idea years back when Nigeria was a dumping ground for cement but today a Nigerian firm even sells some of its cement in Kenya.

Kindly see chart below and cure yourself of hate and ignorance.

I like how you elucidated your salient point for the absolute jealous hater. I wonder why he has not questioned the amount of cement we produce and export as fake stat .who know maybe he would question the amount of oil we drill next as fake stat

TayserMahri:
Totally agree with Duale. High time Kenyans stop playing "cute" as Trump would say. Otherwise in the future when the economy is very vibrant and Africans flood the place Kenyans will start hunting Nigs (and other foreigners) themselves like in Mzansi. I mean I dont mind hunting a Nigerian or a Tanzanian with my gun but I have better things to do! Then you'll have Africans from poor countries telling you shiit like : "You Kenyans are lazy". You can imagine a Tanzanian telling you that. Incredible. On this motion I support Duale 100 %. Responsible immigration and tit for tat diplomacy.

You agree with that Duale fellow? Does he know your real problem in Kenya?
Does Duale know why Kenya imports cabbage,oranges,onions,maize etc from Tanzania?
Does he know why your farmers can't compete with Tanzania's?
Does he know why your currency have been overvalued by 30%?
Does he know the consequences of overvaluing a local currency?
Does he know why neighboring countries products are cheaper than Kenya's?
Does he know those Kenyans who imports cooking oil from uganda are doing that because of costs?

Kazikazi:
You agree with that Duale fellow? Does he know your real problem in Kenya?
Does Duale know why Kenya imports cabbage,oranges,onions,maize etc from Tanzania?
Does he know why your farmers can't compete with Tanzania's?
Does he know why your currency have been overvalued by 30%?
Does he know the consequences of overvaluing a local currency?
Does he know why neighboring countries products are cheaper than Kenya's?
Does he know those Kenyans who imports cooking oil from uganda are doing that because of costs?

You are making only noise. All Tanzanians should be repatriated back to bongoland and taught trades to support themselves in Tanzania.

theenchanter:
we started rice revolution in 2015, our fed govt invested heavily in rice production in d last 4years, restricted forex for rice importation... our plan is to be sufficient in rice and export by 2020.

Today, we're d largest rice producer in d continent and reducing rice importation.

Same way we barely invested in cocoa and now we are the fourth globally. They should be more worried about their tea and milk industry cause buhari as studied it and we will definitely dominate and steal that position from them therby rendering them useless in the business
I am very sure egypt didn't believe we will unsit them 3 years ago but it happened anyway