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Empiree:
that's it. I know the girls would not care. The people dividing this religion are scholars of Islam. See the seed they planned in this lady and see the seed they planned in our brothers here too.

When you started learning fard of Islam you were taught you most believe in

Shahadahtain

Iqama salat

Zakat

Ramadan

Hajj

If anyone disbelieves in these is out of Islam. There are more like rejecting Ayah of Qur'an.. Rejection is different from misinterpretion. Their misinterpretation then becomes aqeeda later. Like some muslim reject the return of Isa (as) due to their misinterpretation or wrong methodology of the Ayah. But they did not reject the Ayah. This is called misguidance not kufr.


For instance if this lady defile her father and marry you, slowly you teach her correct meaning of the Ayah "khatam nabiy" means prophet muhammad is the deal of the prophets. She will accept it instead of calling her kafir. Their leaders are answerable to Allaah because we have evidences that prophet muhammad was the last Prophet.

This man called Mirza Gulam Ahmad was one of the 30 Dajjal prophesied.

May Allah guide them all

ihollarmide:
Jazakallahu Khayran brother. I think I just have to move on

May Allah grant you a pious spouse the coolness of your eyes who would be with you in Jannah!

true2god:
The probability that your are following the right sect of Islam is still 1.4%. This is what Mohammed said, believe him by watching the second video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBMxXFQm7R8

Please stop all this off points. We know the hadith and we know those who the Prophet said would go to hell. Mind your business please.

ihollarmide:
I find it very amusing as well. It's not like I am a Kufar. The girl in particular doesn't care about these Ahmadiyyah beliefs stuff but it's her father anyway. She can't disobey her parents. She told me that her Father will get her married to an Ahmadi Muslim guy and there is nothing she will do it as she doesn't want to disobey her parents. I can only pray for her and her family. The Father is a high ranking Ahmadi Muslim. May Allah guide us Muslims. Islam now has many divisions. I thought the most important thing should be the Monotheistic Creed, belief in Rasul(SAW), Solat, Ramadan and Hajj. May Allah guide us all.

Empiree,

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?’

Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”

[al-Tawbah 9:65-66]

Moreover you did not say anything about their believe in incarnation, revelation given to Ghulam, Ghulam greater than Muhammad, and many other of their weird creeds. The Scholar's position on them is only but truthful.

You may read more on worldwide rulings by scholars from Saudi, Egypt, UK,.... Africa on them. Allah knows best.

https://exposingasifjamil./fatwas-of-muslim-scholars-and-organizations-regarding-the-qadiani-ahmadiyya-cult/

Rashduct4luv:
Empiree,

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger that you were mocking?’

Make no excuse; you disbelieved after you had believed”

[al-Tawbah 9:65-66]

Moreover you did not say anything about their believe in incarnation, revelation given to Ghulam, Ghulam greater than Muhammad, and many other of their weird creeds. The Scholar's position on them is only but truthful.

You may read more on worldwide rulings by scholars from Saudi, Egypt, UK,.... Africa on them. Allah knows best.

https://exposingasifjamil./fatwas-of-muslim-scholars-and-organizations-regarding-the-qadiani-ahmadiyya-cult/

I don't like to believe these kinds of things. They are usually propaganda due to sectarianism.

Recall we had debates with Ahmadi here and he dispelled some misinformation against Qadiani sect (Ahmadiyyah). I believe that what you said here is similar to allegation against Shia that Shia believe Ali is greater than the prophet. This kinda of things are lies. Just maybe there are some extreme fringes who might wrote nonsense that was not supported by mainstream Ahmadiyyah.

Rashduct4luv:
Please stop all this off points. We know the hadith and we know those who the Prophet said would go to hell. Mind your business please.

This does not nullify the fact that the probability that you are on the right path of Islam is 1/73 or 1.4%, according to your prophet. And as a black man (Yoruba man or so), the probability will be lower (like 0.5%) because black Muslims are regarded as fake. What sect among the 73 do you belong to? And remember, you are the lowest in the Islamic pyramid that are given in the order below:

Arabs (the chosen people of allah)
#
Pakistanis (the conquered people for allah)
#
Indians (the conqured people for allah under the Hindus)
#
Eastern European muslims (the confused people for allah)
#
Black Muslims (the confused or conquered people for allah)

So you need to know the category you belong.

true2god:
This does not nullify the fact that the probability that you are on the right path of Islam is 1/73 or 1.4%, according to your prophet. And as a black man (Yoruba man or so), the probability will be lower (like 0.5%) because black Muslims are regarded as fake. What sect among the 73 do you belong to? And remember, you are the lowest in the Islamic pyramid that are given in the order below:

Arabs (the chosen people of allah)
#
Pakistanis (the conquered people for allah)
#
Indians (the conqured people for allah under the Hindus)
#
Eastern European muslims (the confused people for allah)
#
Black Muslims (the confused or conquered people for allah)

So you need to know the category you belong.

Whence do thou get this classifications? The hadith simply urges us to be of the Paradise seekers by shunning innovations and sticking to the Sunnah of the Prophet. And this is also true for all Prophets.

All those who follow the ways of Moses during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of Jesus during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of Noah during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of Abraham during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of Solomon during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of other Prophets during their time will enter paradise.

Provided they died on that path of Submission(Islam).

Empiree:
I don't like to believe these kinds of things. They are usually propaganda due to sectarianism.

Recall we had debates with Ahmadi here and he dispelled some misinformation against Qadiani sect (Ahmadiyyah). I believe that what you said here is similar to allegation against Shia that Shia believe Ali is greater than the prophet. This kinda of things are lies. Just maybe there are some extreme fringes who might wrote nonsense that was not supported by mainstream Ahmadiyyah.

I don't think they are lies at all. A careful research would prove them to be all true. That he claimed he claimed himself to be a Prophet with revelation is true. And this definitely Kufr. Probably, you need more research on them.

Rashduct4luv:
Whence do thou get this classifications? The hadith simply urges us to be of the Paradise seekers by shunning innovations and sticking to the Sunnah of the Prophet. And this is also true for all Prophets.

All those who follow the ways of Moses during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of Jesus during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of Noah during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of Abraham during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of Solomon during his time will enter paradise.
All those who follow the ways of other Prophets during their time will enter paradise.

Provided they died on that path of Submission(Islam).

How can you confirm that the sect you are following is the genuine one among the 73 sects? The fact still remains that, statistically, you have just 1.4% assurance that you are following the right kind of Islam that qualifies you for paradise. And as you know, 1.4% is never a pass mark in any exam and since you belong to one of the 73 sect, it is a very risky venture.

Rashduct4luv:
May Allah grant you a pious spouse the coolness of your eyes who would be with you in Jannah!

Amin

true2god:
How can you confirm that the sect you are following is the genuine one among the 73 sects? The fact still remains that, statistically, you have just 1.4% assurance that you are following the right kind of Islam that qualifies you for paradise. And as you know, 1.4% is never a pass mark in any exam and since you belong to one of the 73 sect, it is a very risky venture.

Quote the hadith! Let's point out your error together.

Rashduct4luv:
I don't think they are lies at all. A careful research would prove them to be all true. That he claimed he claimed himself to be a Prophet with revelation is true. And this definitely Kufr. Probably, you need more research on them.

no, I'm not talking about claims of nabuwa he attributed to himself. I know that's true because that's very clear. I'm only responding to his alleged statement that he is greater than the prophet.

Either way, they are silly to believe he was a prophet after Nabi Muhammad (saw).

Rashduct4luv:
Quote the hadith! Let's point out your error together.

Narrated Abu Hurairah:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "The Jews split into seventy-one sects, or seventy-two sects, and the Christians similarly, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects."(Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2640)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "What befell the children of Isra'il will befall my Ummah, step by step, such that if there was one who had intercourse with his mother in the open, then there would be someone from my Ummah who would do that. Indeed the children of Isra'il split into seventy-two sects, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects. All of them are in the Fire Except one sect." He said: "And which is it O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "What I am upon and my Companions."(Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2641)

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.(Sunan Abi Dawud 4596)

Abu `Amir al-Hawdhani said:

Mu`awiyah b. Abi Sufiyan stood among us and said: Beware! The Apostle of Allah (ﷺ) stood among us and said: Beware! The people of the Book before were split up into seventy two sects, and this community will be split into seventy three: seventy two of them will go to Hell and one of them will go to Paradise, and it is the majority group.
Ibn Yahya and `Amr added in their version : “ There will appear among my community people who will be dominated by desires like rabies which penetrates its patient”, `Amr’s version has: “penetrates its patient. There remains no vein and no joint but it penetrates it.”(Sunan Abi Dawud 4597)

Hope you wont say 'it is a weak hadith'.

true2god:
Narrated Abu Hurairah:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "The Jews split into seventy-one sects, or seventy-two sects, and the Christians similarly, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects."(Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2640)

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr:

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "What befell the children of Isra'il will befall my Ummah, step by step, such that if there was one who had intercourse with his mother in the open, then there would be someone from my Ummah who would do that. Indeed the children of Isra'il split into seventy-two sects, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects. All of them are in the Fire Except one sect." He said: "And which is it O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "What I am upon and my Companions."(Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2641)

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said: The Jews were split up into seventy-one or seventy-two sects; and the Christians were split up into seventy one or seventy-two sects; and my community will be split up into seventy-three sects.(Sunan Abi Dawud 4596)

Abu `Amir al-Hawdhani said:

Mu`awiyah b. Abi Sufiyan stood among us and said: Beware! The Apostle of Allah (ﷺ) stood among us and said: Beware! The people of the Book before were split up into seventy two sects, and this community will be split into seventy three: seventy two of them will go to Hell and one of them will go to Paradise, and it is the majority group.
Ibn Yahya and `Amr added in their version : “ There will appear among my community people who will be dominated by desires like rabies which penetrates its patient”, `Amr’s version has: “penetrates its patient. There remains no vein and no joint but it penetrates it.”(Sunan Abi Dawud 4597)

Hope you wont say 'it is a weak hadith'.

Copying out the bolded from your comment.

1. He said: "What I am upon and my Companions.

2. There will appear among my community people who will be dominated by desires.

The people who will go to paradise are people who follow [b]not[/b]their desires but those who are on what the Prophet and his companions were upon.

And this is what all the so-called religions claim too if you think well.

ihollarmide:
May Allah guide them all

watch this 1min video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPwHHH5isQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHVB-kLd8Tc

I do not subscribe to this Sheikh analogy with respect to return of Jesus and Gulam Ahmad, but his message is understandable. Mirza Gulam Ahmad was a liar. His followers are misguided.

Empiree:
watch this 1min video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPwHHH5isQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHVB-kLd8Tc

I do not subscribe to this Sheikh analogy with respect to return of Jesus and Gulam Ahmad, but his message is understandable. Mirza Gulam Ahmad was a liar. His followers are misguided.

Are you OK? Why do you trick me to watch a pointing finger? Take your time oooo.

true2god:
Are you OK? Why do you trick me to watch a pointing finger? Take your time oooo.

it is called 'bait'

Empiree:
watch this 1min video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPwHHH5isQ



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHVB-kLd8Tc

I do not subscribe to this Sheikh analogy with respect to return of Jesus and Gulam Ahmad, but his message is understandable. Mirza Gulam Ahmad was a liar. His followers are misguided.

Thank you.

ihollarmide:
Thank you.

you welcome

I like this translation

AlBaqir:
Ahmadi are Muslims. Don't be fooled otherwise. Irrespective of Ahmadi factions, they are still Muslim by the virtue of this noble verse:

Surah Al-Hujraat, Verse 14:

The dwellers of the desert say: We believe (i.e we are mu'min). Say: You do not believe (mumin) but say, We submit (i.e we are muslim); and faith has not yet entered into your hearts; and if you obey Allah and His Apostle, He will not diminish aught of your deeds; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."


What makes one a Muslim is ONLY believe in Allah and messengership of Muhammad. Lobatan.

The munafiqun (hypocrites) amongst the sahabah were regarded as Muslims. Upon their hidden disbelief which Prophet knew about, he never for once excommunicated them from the fold of Islam.

Ahmadiyah are of two types:

1. Those who believe Ghullam Ahmad was Mahdi.

2. Those who claim Ghulam Ahmad was another Prophet after the holy Prophet Muhammad.

Both of the group technically affirmed the shahadatayn (there is no god except Allah and Muhammad is His messenger). This is enough to make them Muslim.

You can read more on the difference between Islam and Iman here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2105430/difference-between-muslim-mumin-believer

JazakumuLLAH,I wouldn't even call Shia Muslims Kafirs.Most people don't even understand that calling yourself a Sunni Muslim and believing Sunni Islam is the only True Muslim belief is actually a Kafir's belief.

ihollarmide:
You are right and they are probably misguided from the misinterpretation of that Ayah. I have been hearing of that Ahmadiyyah term since I was small but never really met one till I met a lady recently. She is a very good Muslim, dresses according to the tenets of Islam and has even memorized the whole Qur'an. I wanted marriage with her till she told me her father won't allow us to be together because I am not an Ahmadi Muslim. This was what set me on the path to really know the difference because I didn't see any between us. What worries me is my disqualification because I am a normal Muslim and not an Ahmadi Muslim

My bro faced the same issue but she told my bro she is engaged to someone but my bro knows it's a lie,they really love one another.Whenever my bro comes home,they always go around and play like kids,I asked my bro,can someone's fiance be going around with you like this,he replied she can't marry me coz she's an Ahmadi and her family won't accept me

sulasa07:
JazakumuLLAH,I wouldn't even call Shia Muslims Kafirs.Most people don't even understand that calling yourself a Sunni Muslim and believing Sunni Islam is the only True Muslim belief is actually a Kafir's belief.

What do you mean?

najib632:
What do you mean?

sunni muslims believe they are the only true muslims

sulasa07:
sunni muslims believe they are the only true muslims

And who is else truthful apart from those who follow the sunnah?

najib632:
And who is else truthful apart from those who follow the sunnah?

Just coz you believe you are a Sunni Muslim mean you are a true Muslim,The true meaning of Sunni has been hijacked by a group of people