₦airaland Forum

Jman06:
Honestly this matter calls for special consideration by the federal government!
There's need to listen to the demands of these healthcare professionals. You can't continue to suppress their voices and expect to have a smooth health sector that can guarantee quality healthcare delivery to Nigerians. Why can't government understudy how healthcare professionals work in synergy in the developed countries and replicate same here
Stop giving advantage to only one professional group while neglecting the demands of others! You can never get things right by doing that!

Medical doctors have been the ones running our health institutions for many years, yet we have one of the poorest health sectors in the world!
All the time they attribute our poor health sector to lack of adequate funding by the government but as a matter of fact, that is not completely true. No matter how much government invests in the health sector, we'll continue to have poor outputs until issues relating to professional rivalry in the sector are addressed.

To solve this problem once and for all, government should replicate the system being practiced in the UK here whereby professional healthcare administrators are put in charge of governing health institutions. The healthcare administrators are in a better position to manage the sector because they're usually individuals with no allegiance to any of the healthcare professional groups. So, the likelihood of being biased is greatly reduced.

Nigerian medical doctors on their part need to stop being insecure and concentrate in developing the numerous medical specialties that are grossly in short supply in this country! Imagine them dragging laboratory benches and pharmacies with medical lab scientists and pharmacists when their mates in the rest of the world are busy with organ transplantation, high risk pregnancies, plastic surgeries, stem cells transplantation etc. What a shame!

bahaushe1:
They better stop this blackmail. Whoever wants ministerial appointment should join politics.

Marotzke:
Current US secretary of Health and Human services is a lawyer.
I hope you realise that.

Marotzke:
Current US secretary of Health and Human services is a lawyer.
I hope you realise that.

ultron12345:
Johesu have started again...... Rubbish

It's no ones fault their childhood dreams to become medical doctors were crushed by jamb. If you want to become minister of health, no-one is stopping you, just purchase jamb form and apply for medicine.

ogawisdom:
How can a none doctor lead a doctor haba doesn't sound right. Doctors lead others follow

ultron12345:
Johesu have started again...... Rubbish

It's no ones fault their childhood dreams to become medical doctors were crushed by jamb. If you want to become minister of health, no-one is stopping you, just purchase jamb form and apply for medicine.

GidiWoodsMan:
Those laboratory guys are real lunatics. They should scrap that course at undergraduate level, turn into a post-graduate certificate.

So that these crazy people making noise would have to study a science degree like microbiology, biochemistry etc before going to the labs. That way, they would have to get busy and stop shouting up and down

drlateef:
You are talking like someone who knows the UK. But obviously you know very little of what you are talking. In the first instance, doctors are in charge of laboratories in UK. I am saying that authoritatively because I work in the system. Biomedical scientists at we know them in UK, only work in labs and pass results to their doctors who release results to physicians like them and suggest further tests or antibiotics to use for infections etc. Those information and advice are beyond the remit and training of an ordinary medical lab scientist.
Regarding hospital administration, doctors have not been intetested in the past for various reasons. The salary of an administrator is not as high as that of doctors. Also many doctors do not like to lose their skills while working in administration. That is fast changing however. There is the faculty of medical leadership that is encouraging doctors to get skills of administration and get involved in it. The medical director is next to chief execs. But will start changing soon.

Laboratory medicine is a specialist area of clinical medicine and doctors specialise in it. Laboratory scientists only work in laboratory to produce results. Interpretation, suggestions, advice and conducting of more specialized tests is within the remit of laboratory physicians.

Finally, laboratory science was being taught and developed in Nigeria because of our level of development at the time and lack of doctors wanting to be trained in laboratory medicine. Times are changing and laboratory scientists cannot continue in that role of leadership anymore because more and more doctors are specialising in it. It's inevitable.

drlateef:
You are talking like someone who knows the UK. But obviously you know very little of what you are talking. In the first instance, doctors are in charge of laboratories in UK. I am saying that authoritatively because I work in the system. Biomedical scientists at we know them in UK, only work in labs and pass results to their doctors who release results to physicians like them and suggest further tests or antibiotics to use for infections etc. Those information and advice are beyond the remit and training of an ordinary medical lab scientist.
Regarding hospital administration, doctors have not been intetested in the past for various reasons. The salary of an administrator is not as high as that of doctors. Also many doctors do not like to lose their skills while working in administration. That is fast changing however. There is the faculty of medical leadership that is encouraging doctors to get skills of administration and get involved in it. The medical director is next to chief execs. But will start changing soon.

Laboratory medicine is a specialist area of clinical medicine and doctors specialise in it. Laboratory scientists only work in laboratory to produce results. Interpretation, suggestions, advice and conducting of more specialized tests is within the remit of laboratory physicians.

Finally, laboratory science was being taught and developed in Nigeria because of our level of development at the time and lack of doctors wanting to be trained in laboratory medicine. Times are changing and laboratory scientists cannot continue in that role of leadership anymore because more and more doctors are specialising in it. It's inevitable.

phineas:
Wait did I just read that somebody passed not 1 but 3 judgments in Nigeria making lab scientists technical head of laboratories over pathologists?

Please is that correct?

If true then the medical context in Nigeria needs special courts aligned with global standard of practice.Perhaps it will address all this supposed infractions on each others space.

phineas:
In addition to your posts there are multiple tests that lab scientists are not qualified to do.Many.From chemical pathology,to histopathology, to haematology... Doctors specialize at least 4 years post graduation This sectors making a total of 12 years of training(plus internship) and a lab scientist who studied for less than 5 years wants to sign off on a doctors report. That's what's been proposed.

The pathologists own the lab. Every other team is a support team.My proposed solution is that even private labs should not be allowed to register without a pathologist overseeing their work. That may help address the pecking order and the huge problem of erroneous results with no one to hold accountable from Nigerian private labs

drlateef:
You are talking like someone who knows the UK. But obviously you know very little of what you are talking. In the first instance, doctors are in charge of laboratories in UK. I am saying that authoritatively because I work in the system. Biomedical scientists at we know them in UK, only work in labs and pass results to their doctors who release results to physicians like them and suggest further tests or antibiotics to use for infections etc. Those information and advice are beyond the remit and training of an ordinary medical lab scientist.
Regarding hospital administration, doctors have not been intetested in the past for various reasons. The salary of an administrator is not as high as that of doctors. Also many doctors do not like to lose their skills while working in administration. That is fast changing however. There is the faculty of medical leadership that is encouraging doctors to get skills of administration and get involved in it. The medical director is next to chief execs. But will start changing soon.

Laboratory medicine is a specialist area of clinical medicine and doctors specialise in it. Laboratory scientists only work in laboratory to produce results. Interpretation, suggestions, advice and conducting of more specialized tests is within the remit of laboratory physicians.

Finally, laboratory science was being taught and developed in Nigeria because of our level of development at the time and lack of doctors wanting to be trained in laboratory medicine. Times are changing and laboratory scientists cannot continue in that role of leadership anymore because more and more doctors are specialising in it. It's inevitable.

GidiWoodsMan:
Those laboratory guys are real lunatics. They should scrap that course at undergraduate level, turn into a post-graduate certificate.

So that these crazy people making noise would have to study a science degree like microbiology, biochemistry etc before going to the labs. That way, they would have to get busy and stop shouting up and down

cosef:
The Nigeria Law and consistution in tandem with global practices makes it imperative that Medical Laboratory Scientist head their department. That law was passed after intelligent Nigerian lawmakers sat down in the Red and green chambers and acticulated it. Since then, the Medical laboratory Scientists who are the real laboratorians as recognized all over the world have gone to courts and have gotten more than 9 judgements against you meddlessome physicians. You are not a fraction as intelligent as all the law makers and the judges who have ruled against you.

Stop trying to deceive Nigerians

phineas:
Trained pathologists head clinical laboratories everywhere in the world #fact.Key word here clinical (medical) laboratories.

The accountability framework for Nigerian healthcare is been fixed in line with global practice. We will see who has the last laugh.

optm:
See ehn all these contentions is borne out of the attitudes of most Nigerian med docs in looking down on other health professionals and wanting to stifle their growth. In developed climes where there's mutual inter professional respect, u hardly would find things like this happening. Maybe the attidue by most med drs in Nigeria is because of exclusive privileges given them tru d years in the health sector hence u HV pple contend for same. I think when most med docs learn to respect other professionals and allow them the room for growth in their various fields and practice to the extent of their trainings, then we'll have less of these contentions in the health industry in nigeria

optm:
See ehn all these contentions is borne out of the attitudes of most Nigerian med docs in looking down on other health professionals and wanting to stifle their growth. In developed climes where there's mutual inter professional respect, u hardly would find things like this happening. Maybe the attidue by most med drs in Nigeria is because of exclusive privileges given them tru d years in the health sector hence u HV pple contend for same. I think when most med docs learn to respect other professionals and allow them the room for growth in their various fields and practice to the extent of their trainings, then we'll have less of these contentions in the health industry in nigeria

arrestdarrester:
Do these guys know the meaning of Laboratory Medicine at all? Shame on their ignorance.All these nonsense happening in public hospitals would disappear once government privatises them. Any real manager will take what he needs and thrash the rest.

cosef:
Do your research, even here on NL Medical Scientists have shown you several instances and references that highly educated Medical Scientists head medical and reference laboratories in the advanced world and are currently heading the World health organization. If you want, we can still dig it up before you mislead Nigerians as you always do.

Google Gary Moore, a Consultant Biomedical Scientist in the UK. He is a holder of Doctor of Biomedical science (DBMS) just like D.MLS in USA and Ghana. I'm giving you a direct specific example, names and places. Not a generalized mumbo-jumbo like you always do.

danilmo:
Privatsing the health sector ll go a long way, it ll help put everyone in their place and boundary

arinzos:
It would be nice.
The Most competent person will be the head.

danilmo:
Yea, as a Med lab man might be more competent and knowledgeable than a physician who specialised in lab medicine.

And I as an employer i will like to employ base on employee medical knowledge and productivity, and their contributing influence on my expected patient


Moreover since teaching hospitals will b privatized, the med lab men ll b there to also teach medical students attached to such teaching hospitals ..

Beside, am a Medic though and ll want to hear what a Med lab science man have to offer my basic clinical knowledge in place of my current Lab Medicine Profs/consultant .

danilmo:
Privatsing the health sector ll go a long way, it ll help put everyone in their place and boundary

Jman06:
Let's privatize the damn hospitals! You guys like talking about that as though you'll not be affected by that!

No manager would want to pay a pathologist like 500k when medical lab scientists with better laboratory skills can take like 300k or less(going by what's currently obtainable in public hospitals).