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Oritsewhandey:
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Ministerial appointment is broadly political.
Career starts from the Permanent Secretary level.

Same, in Nigeria. It's not compulsory JOHESU members be made a minister. F.G has done favor by picking persons from Medicine & Surgery field.

Most permanent secretaries under ministry of health, are MOSTLY JOHESU members.

What's the fuzz about ministerial, allotted to Medical Doctors? Enough of these nonsense.

Must the minister of health be a doctor?

cosef:
Oga enough of the playing around with words. Medical laboratory science is essentially 'laboratory medicine'. Forget politics.

If you google laboratory medicine right now on your phone, the first result that comes up is Medical laboratory or clinical laboratory science.

A physician can never be more grounded than a medical laboratory scientist who spent 5+1+1 plus post-graduate years studying and specializing the methodologies and principles in the clinical laboratory field.

The Medical laboratory scientist even educate the physicians about new test methodologies in Molecular biology, immunology , etc.
Even when the physicians are studying for their so called post-graduate certs, they go to the laboratories of Professors of medical laboratory science who own specialized laboratories (I can mention some) such DNA labs, mycology labs, parasitology labs, clincal toxicology labs to run their samples using specialized methods during thesis. Lahor research laboratories in Benin is an example, it is own by Prof Agbonlahor a renowned Medical Scientist. Many post-graduate and undergrad medical students go there for their research projects.

Stop pretending that medical lab science ends with Malaria and typhoid. In the medical college every profession has an input in the tinkering of all professionals during training be it Physicians, Scientists, pharmacists, nurses, radiographers etc.

Haaa, did I said otherwise So wen is prof agbonlahor coming to teach me med student a medical clinical approach as regards laboratory practice between me and my patient for proper care??

Prof agbo has equipment as a full based lab man, I expect him to have a full equipment, so in case of ELISA which is uncommon in institutions and some teaching hospital, people make use of it for their research, thus , base on u now, he has more clinical knowledge than my physician.. Na true

danilmo:
Yeaah, at least both Med lab and physician pathologist have same thing upstair to offer my patient as an employer, Med lab man can take CSF samples and co, know the drug of choice in related to my patient health clinical status and how to apply it

Meanwhile me as an employee fully aware that my patient will want to go to a well qualified best clinically practiced hospital,

I ll see a lab med physician and decide to have a lab scientist man over him..
Ur high cerebral is of top notch

Your unnecessary hatred for other healthcare professionals would not let you reason properly now until you foolishly support privatization of hospitals in this country. That is when you'll realize that this is Nigeria!

Imagine a scenario where a whole hospital has only a qualified physician (mostly likely a general practitioner) in it's employ with many other healthcare professionals so as to save cost. That is what would start happening in the event that hospitals are privatized in this country!

In fact, many of you would have to go abroad for your residency training because no private manager would be willing to commit money into your training!

Jman06:
Your unnecessary hatred for other healthcare professionals would not let you reason properly now until you foolishly support privatization of hospitals in this country. That is when you'll realize that this is Nigeria!

Imagine a scenario where a whole hospital has only a qualified physician (mostly likely a general practitioner) in it's employ with many other healthcare professionals so as to save cost. That is what would start happening in the event that hospitals are privatized in this country!

In fact, many of you would have to go abroad for your residency training because no private manager would be willing to commit money into your training!

Leave the guy i just don't want to reply him.
When he hears people calling for privatization even someone in 4th yr would be shouting privatization like he knows the effect.

danilmo:
Haaa, did I said otherwise So wen is prof agbonlahor coming to teach me med student a medical clinical approach as regards laboratory practice between me and my patient for proper care??

Prof agbo has equipment as a full based lab man, I expect him to have a full equipment, so in case of ELISA which is uncommon in institutions and some teaching hospital, people make use of it for their research, thus , base on u now, he has more clinical knowledge than my physician.. Na true

First off, which is not actually a big deal anyways, learn to address people by their proper title.it doesn't strip you off your manhood
Bro if they should privatize the health sector,i am sure that doctors can never be Health Minister or whatever name they would comeup with.Except they are qualified which would not be because they have MBBS..Every professional would head their juniors.Nobody will head the other with impunity.
Tell me the input of a Pathologist in normal laboratory practice. Of course you will give the excuse of they can run some advance test bla bla bla.
Oh you think because you did/still doing pathology that is where it ends
Don't let your Superiors decieve you.
Keep shouting privatization.

It has been proven that med students not even qualified doctors rant more on thread like this, I can bet the dude ranting above is one. That was how one was saying AA and AA couple can give birth to AS becuase he read some bullshit online, only a simple question if he can interpret HB result when brought out of electrophoresis and he went into oblivion. They think Medlab is radiography where they have boxed the radiographers to running scans and not been able to give out result without a radiologist. A medical lab scientist will always head his dept and sign his results.

danilmo:
Haaa, did I said otherwise So wen is prof agbonlahor coming to teach me med student a medical clinical approach as regards laboratory practice between me and my patient for proper care??

Prof agbo has equipment as a full based lab man, I expect him to have a full equipment, so in case of ELISA which is uncommon in institutions and some teaching hospital, people make use of it for their research, thus , base on u now, he has more clinical knowledge than my physician.. Na true

If you like see white and call it black like the typical Nigerian sociopath, that is your cup of tea. Call them lab man o, lab woman o, lab coat man o, they remain astute Scientists and Laboratorians according to the Nigerian constitution in tandem with global best practice. Continue with your malaria and typhoid practice. Dokita malaria na u sabi. In fact na you Biko!

Jman06:
Your unnecessary hatred for other healthcare professionals would not let you reason properly now until you foolishly support privatization of hospitals in this country. That is when you'll realize that this is Nigeria!

Imagine a scenario where a whole hospital has only a qualified physician (mostly likely a general practitioner) in it's employ with many other healthcare professionals so as to save cost. That is what would start happening in the event that hospitals are privatized in this country!

In fact, many of you would have to go abroad for your residency training because no private manager would be willing to commit money into your training!

This one dont even know what's residency,..

One hospital with a general practional, please wallow in ur ignorance. I doubt ure even in health system.. We've not started privatization UV stated failing common knowledge of medical practice.. Shebi it is general practitional that ll interpret ECG and d clinical use, treat Cancer patient, manage Surgical cases, bogus of internal medicine and co..

Why am I wasting time with this one self , u talk like an Aboki shoe maker walahi, u think say na ur village health center bah..leave ur village and come to city u no go gree

But of a true las las, u aren't in health related dept. Leave we medic and coworker to fight our battle

cosef:
If you like see white and call it black like the typical Nigerian sociopath, that is your cup of tea. Call them lab man o, lab woman o, lab coat man o, they remain astute Scientists and Laboratorians according to the Nigerian constitution in tandem with global best practice. Continue with your malaria and typhoid practice. Dokita malaria na u sabi. In fact na you Biko!

You said doctors do only malaria & typhoid tests, well, that's fine. You also think you can run all the tests in the lab because u are a scientist right? well that's still okay too, but I can tell you that if a patient present to ur lab with few vague symptoms which may not be diagnostic of any illness, u will be surprise, u won't be able to run any test to get a diagnosis.
That's where that malaria man is ahead because he knows the right test to request for.

cosef:
If you like see white and call it black like the typical Nigerian sociopath, that is your cup of tea. Call them lab man o, lab woman o, lab coat man o, they remain astute Scientists and Laboratorians according to the Nigerian constitution in tandem with global best practice. Continue with your malaria and typhoid practice. Dokita malaria na u sabi. In fact na you Biko!

Yes o.. A proud Medic UV seen..

What do u even know about Social Medicine, let's start categorising there according to WHO to know where ure placed..

Freddonance:
You said doctors do only malaria & typhoid tests, well, that's fine. You also think you can run all the tests in the lab because u are a scientist right? well that's still okay too, but I can tell you that if a patient present to ur lab with few vague symptoms which may not be diagnostic of any illness, u will be surprise, u won't be able to run any test to get a diagnosis.
That's where that malaria man is ahead because he knows the right test to request for.

Actually it is the Scientists that educate physicians on the value and interpretation of most high complexity tests. I'm not talking about MP and Widal that you get any road side person to run in your dirty side labs without Quality control. Go and read the D.CLS curriculum of the United States.

I'm talking about investigations like Alpha feto protein, cortisol assay, CEA assay, CKMB markers, Troponin Assays, Allergy panels, Australia antigen, Transferrin assay, apolipoproteins, Bence-jones etc. Many Nigerian physicians don't know the validity of these investigations, it sounds like rocket science to some of them when you are not talking about malaria and typhoid test.

There are more than 18,000 tests and investigations and the Medical Scientists are the professionals who are grounded and specialized in them. Take that to the bank.

danilmo:
Yes o.. A proud Medic UV seen..

What do u even know about Social Medicine, let's start categorising there according to WHO to know where ure placed..

If in your own 'social medicine', the Scientists are placed down the totem pole. A Scientist won't be the head of World health organization as we speak.

Today's Scientists are not push overs, they know their value and affirm it rightfully.

cosef:
Actually it is the Scientists that educate physicians on the value and interpretation of most high complexity tests. I'm not talking about MP and Widal that you get any road side person to run in your dirty side labs without Quality control. Go and read the D.CLS curriculum of the United States.

I'm talking about investigations like Alpha feto protein, cortisol assay, CEA assay, CKMB markers, Troponin Assays, Allergy panels, Australia antigen, Transferrin assay, apolipoproteins, Bence-jones etc. Many Nigerian physicians don't know the validity of these investigations, it sounds like rockets to some of them when you are not talking about malaria and typhoid test.

There are more than 18,000 tests and investigations and the Medical Scientists are the professionals who are grounded and specialized in them. Take that to the bank.

For typing those, I no longer take you serious. So u will advice a doctor on allergic panel, CEA assay, Alpha fetoproteins when the doctor himself knows what the result will be(base on his clinical acumen)like before the result comes out?

So looking for Bence Jones protein in urine is a difficult stuff? I didn't see any histopathologic investigation there why? Why not also tell me u advice pathologist onFNAC & it interpretation? That u also stage malignancies?
As a scientist, how many doctors have u advised on special investigations that he has no idea of? & pls could u name those investigations?

Freddonance:
For typing those, I no longer take you serious. So u will advice a doctor on allergic panel, CEA assay, Alpha fetoproteins when the doctor himself knows what the result will be(base on his clinical acumen)like before the result comes out?

So looking for Bence Jones protein in urine is a difficult stuff? I didn't see any histopathologic investigation there why? Why not also tell me u advice pathologist onFNAC & it interpretation? That u also stage malignancies?
As a scientist, how many doctors have u advised on special investigations that he has no idea of? & pls could u name those investigations?

If every physician knows what the every result will be qualitatively and quantitatively without proper investigations, then you can as well close down your side lab and consult only the 'Oracle' in your brain since laboratories are not important, you can as well write to the American Medical association and American Society for Clinical Laboratry Science (ASCLS) and ask them to shut down every lab and stop research on new test methodologies. I doubt you already a physician, maybe still a student still being brainwashed in Nigerian class rooms by failed physicians who ran away from consulting rooms into the academia. I strongly suspect.

There is no test that a Medical Scientist can not run in his field of expertise and specialty, from molecular to even forensics. They are boss when it comes to laboratory investigations, they spend their whole training on it from undergraduate to professional to post-graduate levels.

In your quest to downplay the importance of Scientist you keep committing intellectual gaffes. I'm sure you were not taught that laboratory tests are not just for diagnosis, but also for monitoring, evaluation and even epidemiological studies. Every test has it merits. Maybe when you graduate you'll settle paternity disputes by just looking at faces of the Alleged fathers, then look up the sky and then give a verdict about who the real father of the neonate is. Ofcourse you are a 'clinical magician'.

danilmo:
This one dont even know what's residency,..

One hospital with a general practional, please wallow in ur ignorance. I doubt ure even in health system.. We've not started privatization UV stated failing common knowledge of medical practice.. Shebi it is general practitional that ll interpret ECG and d clinical use, treat Cancer patient, manage Surgical cases, bogus of internal medicine and co..

Why am I wasting time with this one self , u talk like an Aboki shoe maker walahi, u think say na ur village health center bah..leave ur village and come to city u no go gree

But of a true las las, u aren't in health related dept. Leave we medic and coworker to fight our battle

Mtcheeeeeeeew...



Thought I was communicating with a sensible person... Now I know I've been wasting my MB on a complete dunce!

cosef:
If every physician knows what the every result will be qualitatively and quantitatively without proper investigations, then you can as well close down your side lab and consult only the 'Oracle' in your brain since laboratories are not important, you can as well write to the American Medical association and American Society for Clinical Laboratry Science (ASCLS) and ask them to shut down every lab and stop research on new test methodologies. I doubt you already a physician, maybe still a student still being brainwashed in Nigerian class rooms by failed physicians who ran away from consulting rooms into the academia. I strongly suspect.

There is no test that a Medical Scientist can not run in his field of expertise and specialty, from molecular to even forensics. They are boss when it comes to laboratory investigations, they spend their whole training on it from undergraduate to professional to post-graduate levels.

In your quest to downplay the importance of Scientist you keep committing intellectual gaffes. I'm sure you were not taught that laboratory tests are not just for diagnosis, but also for monitoring, evaluation and even epidemiological studies. Every test has it merits. Maybe when you graduate you'll settle paternity disputes by just looking at faces of the Alleged fathers, looking up the sky and then give a verdict about who the real father of the neonate is. Ofcourse you are 'clinical magician'.

I will be as civil as possible not to insult you. However, I put it to u that you know just too little of what you talk about.
Don't boast yet, just learn by observation; you have a great deal to learn that way.
Now, back to the matter. if ur submission is true, pathologists would have been redundant worldwide but u know what? laboratory medicine belongs to the pathologists & that won't change no matter ur sentiments.

Jman06:
Mtcheeeeeeeew...



Thought I was communicating with a sensible person... Now I know I've been wasting my MB on a complete dunce!

I pray they give medical laboratory science a faculty in the university, then in the same vain, Create another faculty for pathology (say faculty of pathology)....
I think that will solve all these nonsense between lab scientists & pathologists.

pls say Amen to that

Freddonance:
I will be as civil as possible not to insult you. However, I put it to u that you know just too little of what you talk about.
Don't boast yet, just learn by observation; you have a great deal to learn that way.
Now, back to the matter. if ur submission is true, pathologists would have been redundant worldwide but u know what? laboratory medicine belongs to the pathologists & that won't change no matter ur sentiments.

Actually your physician pathologists who are trying to head the labs are the most redundant and laziest group of physicians in Nigeria. It's common knowledge. Even other physicians in other specialties like Surgery, O and G, mock them with it.
Most of them rush down to the lab to do nothing but gossip that's why they find enough time antagonize the Scientists. Take an unbiased survey.

You are most likely an undergrad, and you are talking to a post-baccalaureate specialist in the field of mycoplasmology with his PhD in very close view, so I am qualified to give you the lecture you so crave for. You sit and learn.

cosef:
Actually your physician pathologists who are the trying to run the labs are the most redundant and laziest group of physicians in Nigeria. It's common knowledge. Even other physicians in other specialties like Surgery, O and G, mock them with it.
Most of them rush down to the lab to do nothing but gossip that's why they find enough time antagonize the Scientists. Take an unbiased survey.

You are most likely an undergrad, and you are talking to a post-baccaleaurate specialist in the field of mycoplasmology with his PhD in very close view, so I am qualified to give you the lecture you so crave for. You sit and learn.

You have all those degrees yet you are unable to differentiate between an undergraduate & a doctor?... you see the difference between both of us now? like I did say, u still have a lot to learn

Freddonance:
You have all those degrees yet you are unable to differentiate between an undergraduate & a doctor?... you see the difference between both of us now? like I did say, u still have a lot to learn

A real physician doesn't downplay the importance of investigations just because he is not grounded in them. That your submission and comment raised a red flag about your qualifications. Even Jman detected it a long time ago.

cosef:
A real physician doesn't downplay the importance of investigations just because he is not grounded in them. That your submission and comment raised a red flag about your qualifications. Even Jman detected it a long time ago.

Which investigation did I downplay? That you look for Bench Jones protein in urine? So if the result turns out to positive does it rule out the fact that the physician suspected multiple myeloma before requesting for such investigation? Or u think specimens are sent to the lab without knowledge of the pathology for which the investigation is requested? Pls answer those

Freddonance:
Which investigation did I downplay? That you look for Bench Jones protein in urine? So if the result turns out to positive does it rule out the fact that the physician suspected multiple myeloma before requesting for such investigation? Or u think specimens are sent to the lab without knowledge of the pathology for which the investigation is requested? Pls answer those

Investigations are run in the laboratory with provisional diagnosis. Just like prescription notes are given before drugs are dispensed. Nobody is a magician. The key word here is 'suspected' but suspicion is not definitive, that's why you consult the laboratory.
Just as the police will say 'everybody is a suspect' but investigations must be done before you can definitively confirm that the person is a criminal.

It's common sense.

Jman06:
Mtcheeeeeeeew...



Thought I was communicating with a sensible person... Now I know I've been wasting my MB on a complete dunce!

No p, agreed, thank God this is a public forum and enough men are here seeing ur sensible comment where A general practitional
ll b the one to treat all patient

Now I know Y u couldn't secure admission into med school.

cosef:
Investigations are run in the laboratory with provisional diagnosis. Just like prescription notes are given before drugs are dispensed. Nobody is a magician. The key word here is 'suspected' but suspicion is not definitive, that's why you consult the laboratory.
Just as the police will say 'everybody is a suspect' but investigations must be done before you can definitively confirm that the person is a criminal.

It's common sense.

point of correction, a physician consults his colleagues(who are pathologists) in the lab not a scientist.

Freddonance:
point of correction, a physician consults his colleagues(who are pathologists) in the lab not a scientist.

Whichever way you look at it, the Scientist who runs the test and writes his report is the one being consulted, your bitter politics nothwithstanding.

In case you do not know the role of a pathologist...
a pathologist tight up a lab result with the clinical presentation of patient & makes a diagnosis.


Diagnosis goes beyond carrying out lab procedures most of which can be done by any one who understands written English( that is if the procedural manual is written in English).
Diagnosis involves history taking & physical examination(these form about 80% of the diagnostic process) & the lab investigation if need be cos most diagnosis are clinical( meaning u don't need a lab test to tell u ).

The reason you won't understand this is because u are confined to the lab. you do not know what happens in the clinic, wards etc. sometimes we send consults to haematologist to review our patients this is because they are well equipped with the clinical knowledge to care for them. We can't send consult to med lab scientists as they will kill our patients or complicate the condition

cosef:
Which way you look at it, the Scientist who runs the test and writes his report is the one being consulted, your bitter politics nothwithstanding.

Please when is ur prof agboh....coming to teach me clinical lab medicine..


I promise u me as a student will tame his balls clinically

Not only Prof Agbor, consultant agbo ni .

danilmo:
Please when is ur prof agboh....coming to teach me clinical lab medicine..


I promise u me as a student will tame his balls clinically

Not only Prof Agbor, consultant agbo ni .

A neonate in the medical field who can't even string two proper sentences together will 'tame' a Professor of Molecular diagnostics and a Fellow of Institute of Biomedical Sciences (FIBMS) UK in his field? Laughable!
Even your lecturers wouldn't dare. Go to Uniben and ask your Chiefs.

Seems Nigerian medical schools also double as a place for training circus clowns.

cosef:
Actually it is the Scientists that educate physicians on the value and interpretation of most high complexity tests. I'm not talking about MP and Widal that you get any road side person to run in your dirty side labs without Quality control. Go and read the D.CLS curriculum of the United States.

I'm talking about investigations like Alpha feto protein, cortisol assay, CEA assay, CKMB markers, Troponin Assays, Allergy panels, Australia antigen, Transferrin assay, apolipoproteins, Bence-jones etc. Many Nigerian physicians don't know the validity of these investigations, it sounds like rockets to some of them when you are not talking about malaria and typhoid test.

There are more than 18,000 tests and investigations and the Medical Scientists are the professionals who are grounded and specialized in them. Take that to the bank.

am highly disappointed with this comment of yours..I was hoping to hear very 'complex' tests that you claim u perform in the lab only for you to be saying AFP, transferin assays, cardiac troponin, creatinin kinase....
let's be serious do you know the indications for this test you just mentioned? what test would you carry out when a toddler comes with retinoblastoma? or even stomach pain? u think its just by doin the tests? more than 80% of the tests you do in the lab are been done by machines ranging from e/u/cr , and so on...something that a lab technician can do when trained: press dis red button button and press that green one after 5 minute..the professionalism comes in interpreting the results in carrying out operations like stem cell transplant and bone marrow replacement which is done by pathologist
do u know dat most of the times before most lab results comes out doctors av started treatment already which in most times patients get well? sir do we have labs in the rural areas, don't patients get cured there without ur lab result? laboratory is just for confirmation, more dan 90% of diagnosis can b obtained from a good history and thorough clinical examination..

Au79:
am highly disappointed with this comment of yours..I was hoping to hear very 'complex' tests that you claim u perform in the lab only for you to be saying AFP, transferin assays, cardiac troponin, creatinin kinase....
let's be serious do you know the indications for this test you just mentioned? what test would you carry out when a toddler comes with retinoblastoma? or even stomach pain? u think its just by doin the tests? more than 80% of the tests you do in the lab are been done by machines ranging from e/u/cr , and so on...something that a lab technician can do when trained: press dis red button button and press that green one after 5 minute..the professionalism comes in interpreting the results in carrying out operations like stem cell transplant and bone marrow replacement which is done by pathologist
do u know dat most of the times before most lab results comes out doctors av started treatment already which in most times patients get well? sir do we have labs in the rural areas, don't patients get cured there without ur lab result? laboratory is just for confirmation, more dan 90% of diagnosis can b obtained from a good history and thorough clinical examination..

Thank you brother.
Cardiac troponin is now a complex test to perform according to a lab scientist

Au79:
am highly disappointed with this comment of yours..I was hoping to hear very 'complex' tests that you claim u perform in the lab only for you to be saying AFP, transferin assays, cardiac troponin, creatinin kinase....
let's be serious do you know the indications for this test you just mentioned? what test would you carry out when a toddler comes with retinoblastoma? or even stomach pain? u think its just by doin the tests? more than 80% of the tests you do in the lab are been done by machines ranging from e/u/cr , and so on...something that a lab technician can do when trained: press dis red button button and press that green one after 5 minute..the professionalism comes in interpreting the results in carrying out operations like stem cell transplant and bone marrow replacement which is done by pathologist
do u know dat most of the times before most lab results comes out doctors av started treatment already which in most times patients get well? sir do we have labs in the rural areas, don't patients get cured there without ur lab result? laboratory is just for confirmation, more dan 90% of diagnosis can b obtained from a good history and thorough clinical examination..

Your submission have been rehashed and debunked severally, a few keystrokes during research in the search box for previous similar threads will clear your doubt. If Medical laboratory Science is as irrelevant as you always struggle to paint it, it won't be on Critical skill list of Advanced countries like Canada, Ireland, Aussie etc.

Those test panels are comparatively more complex than the malaria and typhoid you are used to in your fake side labs, that's why you don't run them in your and hardly even request them. Most physicians know less than 5% of over 18000 available test panels and investigations, especially for Non-communicable diseases (NCDs). That's an irrefutable fact.

cosef:
Your submission have been rehashed and debunked severally, a few keystrokes during research in search box for previous similar threads will clear your doubt.If Medical laboratory Science is as irrelevant and you always struggle to paint it won't be on Critical skill list of Advanced countries like Canada, Ireland, Aussie etc.

Those test panels are comparatively more complex than the malaria and typhoid you are used to in your fake side labs, that's why you don't run them in your and hardly even request them. Most physicians know less than 5% of over 18000 available test panels and investigations, especially for Non-communicable diseases. That's an irrefutable fact.

you know over 18000 lab tests yet you can't run any for the benefit of the patient except a doctor who do not know about such test request for it. are you really thinking?