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Freddonance:
you know over 18000 lab tests yet you can't run any for the benefit of the patient except a doctor who do not know about such test request for it. are you really thinking?

You think only physician order tests? Go read about Direct Consumer tests (DCT) , Consumer ordered tests (COT), Walk in tests in the United States and other advanced countries. You don't necessarily need physician to order. Patients who are educated and informed can Walk in and choose their tests. Even Labcorp one of the biggest lab chains in the USA offers Walk-ins and DCT tests.

Go take a sit and read labtests online website.

cosef:
Your submission have been rehashed and debunked severally, a few keystrokes during research in search box for previous similar threads will clear your doubt.If Medical laboratory Science is as irrelevant and you always struggle to paint it won't be on Critical skill list of Advanced countries like Canada, Ireland, Aussie etc.

Those test panels are comparatively more complex than the malaria and typhoid you are used to in your fake side labs, that's why you don't run them in your and hardly even request them. Most physicians know less than 5% of over 18000 available test panels and investigations, especially for Non-communicable diseases. That's an irrefutable fact.

you and this your 18000 lab tests...I wonder wen u learn all of them wen at 400level u still doin glycolytic pathway. Running just 8 semesters of three months duration each thru out your first degree...
now back to the topic, isnt it insane for a medlab scientists to head a position like d ministry of health? I mean wat other medical knowledge do av apart from your lab work...do u av idea on psychiatry, gynaecological problems or community health?? wen an health emergency relating to maternal mortality comes up or psychiatric issue thrratenin the nation how wud u handle it? wat decision as a minister of health can a medlab scientist make concerning this issues?
an average MBBS holder as basic knowledge of all the affformentioned and even more including your lab work..

Au79:
you and this your 18000 lab tests...I wonder wen u learn all of them wen at 400level u still doin glycolytic pathway. Running just 8 semesters of three months duration each thru out your first degree...
now back to the topic, isnt it insane for a medlab scientists to head a position like d ministry of health? I mean wat other medical knowledge do av apart from your lab work...do u av idea on psychiatry, gynaecological problems or community health?? wen an health emergency relating to maternal mortality comes up or psychiatric issue thrratenin the nation how wud u handle it? wat decision as a minister of health can a medlab scientist make concerning this issues?
an average MBBS holder as basic knowledge of all the affformentioned and even more including your lab work..

Stop deceiving yourself. The principles methodologies and use of those tests are taught to Scientists from undergraduate even to Post-baccalaurete and post-graduate levels, according to their specialities. Medical laboratory is very dynamic and always evolving field.

cosef:
Stop deceiving yourself. The principles methodologies and use of those tests are taught to Scientists from undergraduate even to Post-baccalaurete and post-graduate levels, according to their specialities. Medical laboratory is very dynamic and always evolving field.

can u react to other parts of my post. the issue of avin 0% knowledge of gynae issues and psychiatry..wat decision can u make as a minister of health wen such issues come up

Au79:
can u react to other parts of my post. the issue of avin 0% knowledge of gynae issues and psychiatry..wat decision can u make as a minister of health wen such issues come up

You are not very bright in the head I must say. You are just another undergrad flexing his muscle online without proper coherence and articulation of idea.

Why not go find out how WHO president Teodoros who is a member of African Society of Medical Laboratory Scientists is tackling global health issues without MBBS. Find out also why the Ministers/Secretary of health in UK and USA do not need your degree yet better than your country in all health indices.

The only time Nigeria improved on the health indices map was when Prof Eyitayo Lambo a non-physician and a trained health economist was made Minister of health. Indians were coming to Nigeria for health care diagnosis and treatment.

You are here deceiving people because Nigerians choose to wallow in ignorance.

cosef:
You are not very bright in the head I must say. You are just another undergrad flexing his muscle online without proper coherence and articulation of idea.

Why not go find out how WHO president Teodoros who is a member of African Society of medical laboratory Scientists is tackling global health issues without MBBS. Find out also why the Ministers/Secretary of health in UK and USA do not need yet better than your country in all health indices.

The only time Nigeria improved on the health indices map was when Prof Eyitayo Lambo a non-physician was made Minister of health. Indians were coming to Nigeria for health care diagnosis and treatment.

You are here deceiving people because Nigerians choose to wallow in ignorance.

funny comment. u just giving history.. Oga I believe deep down you know that a medical doctor is more qualified to head offices related to health than any other profession.. u guys know very little about health in general...even a nurse is more vast in medical knowledge than a medlab scientist..

Au79:
funny comment. u just giving history.. Oga I believe deep down you know that a medical doctor is more qualified to head offices related to health than any other profession.. u guys know very little about health in general...even a nurse is more vast in medical knowledge than a medlab scientist..

We are not talking about stone age sentiments, we are talking verifiable facts, statistics which well beyond you and which is well beyond your level of comprehension. Modern men will embrace facts when it is slammed on their faces but your likes run away from it when shown the truth. One easy way of identifying poorly trained quacks physicians is that you hear them downplay the importance of investigation, they are most commonly known as 'dokita malaria'. Every ailment for them is linked to "malaria and typhoid"

I'm not responding to you for the sake of response, I'm also educating Nigerians whom you have deceived for so long for the sake of posterity so they may know the goings-on. You are not empowered to head a Medical Scientist, the constitution does not allow you, and 9 court judgements have affrimed that

You can not be more intelligent than all the legislators and judicial officers who put you in your rightful place and insist that you head your own professionals while others head theirs.

cosef:
We are not talking about stone age sentiments, we are talking verifiable facts, statistics which well beyond you and which is well beyond your level of comprehension. Modern men will embraced facts when it is slammed in faces but your like run away from it when it slammed in their faces. One easy way of identifying poorly trained quacks physicians is that you hear THEM DOWNPLAY THE IMPORTANCE OF INVESTIGATION, they are most commonly known as 'dokita malaria'.

I'm not responding to you for the sake of response, I'm also educating Nigerians whom you have deceived for so long for the sake of posterity so they may know the goings-on. You are not empowered to head a Medical Scientist, the constitution does not allow you, and 9 court judgements have affrimed that

You can not be more intelligent than all the legislators and judicial officers who put you in your rightful place and insist that you head your own professionals while others head theirs.

at the bolded..
.now wat business does an orthopedic surgeon, a psychiatrist, a plastic surgeon, a neurosurgeon, have with your 18000 different tests order than the base line investigations that even a medlab technician can conduct . no one is downplaying your profession oga , its just the truth..you guys are not as relevant as you portray yourselves to be...a physician doesn't need a lab result to resuscitate a patient... like I said in one of my earlier post, lab results are just for confirmation as the physician already has an idea of wat the result will eventually turn out to be and most atimes ,treatment starts even before the arrival of
the test result( especially microbiological tests) . for example a patient presents with bleeding through orifices, fever of which other causes as been excluded and history of rat bite who has the time to wait for one yeye lab result that can take almost a week( wen my patient has days to live if I don't intervene) before I rescuscitate and probably start emperical treatment for lassa fever wen I know am more dan 90% certain dat the test result wud agree with my clinical suspicion...
oga even in the lab, interpretation of results is done by pathologist..there is a reason for that...I can remember a time wen a patient was sent to a peripheral hospital for a test...the lab scientist submitted a result of haemoglobin con. of 8 g/dl and for same patient(pregnant woman who was a primigravida)packed cell volume of 44%...now such a result wud never leave that lab for submission had it been it was reviewed by a pathology...
oga pls stop qoutin and giving us history and theories..you and I know how these things work globally( that is if you are practicing already)

Au79:
at the bolded..
.now wat business does an orthopedic surgeon, a psychiatrist, a plastic surgeon, a neurosurgeon, have with your 18000 different tests order than the base line investigations that even a medlab technician can conduct . no one is downplaying your profession oga , its just the truth..you guys are not as relevant as you portray yourselves to be...a physician doesn't need a lab result to resuscitate a patient... like I said in one of my earlier post, lab results are just for confirmation as the physician already has an idea of wat the result will eventually turn out to be and most atimes ,treatment starts even before the arrival of
the test result( especially microbiological tests) ..my patient presents with bleeding through orifices, fever of which other causes as been excluded and history of rat bite who has the time to wait for one yeye lab result that can take almost a week( wen my patient has days to live if I don't intervene) before I start emperical treatment of lassa fever wen I know am more dan 90% certain dat the virology result wud agree with my clinical suspicion...
oga even in the lab, interpretation of results is done by pathologist..there is a reason for that...I can remember a time wen a patient was sent to a peripheral hospital for a test...the lab scientist submitted a result of haemoglobin con. of 8 g/dl and for same patient(pregnant woman who was a primigravida)packed cell volume of 44%...now such a result wud never leave that lab for submission had it been it was reviewed by a pathology...
oga pls stop qoutin and giving us history, you and I know how these things work practically( that is if you are practicing already)

do not downplay the essence of lab tests in clinical practice. if u were certain about a diagnosis, there ll be no need sending for investigations. often times , you come out with differentiall diagnosis nd would require investigations to arrive at a definitive diagnosis. conditions could present with similar symptoms yet require different management approach . you can be very well mislead without a laboratory investigation or a wrong result. have respect for these guys. this kind of attitude nd lack of respect or downplay on the importance or contribution of other health professionals in patient care is a major problem on the part of med docs that calls for concern and needs to b addressed. you can't do much without laboratory investigations. pt's re not lab rats to be experimented on; they shldnt b treated by trial nd error.

optm:
do not downplay the essence of lab tests in clinical practice. if u were certain about a diagnosis, there ll be no need sending for investigations. often times , you come out with differentiall diagnosis nd would require investigations to arrive at a definitive diagnosis. conditions could present with similar symptoms yet require different management approach . you can be very well mislead without a laboratory investigation or a wrong result. have respect for these guys. this kind of attitude nd lack of respect or downplay on the importance or contribution of other health professionals in patient care is a major problem on the part of med docs that calls for concern and needs to b addressed. you can't do much without laboraty investigations. pt's re not lab rats to be experimented on; they shldnt b treated by trial nd error.

My brother, most of the time specimen is sent to the lab, it's not intended to make diagnosis..
Some diagnosis are clinical. The most important part of patient's management is diagnosis. When a diagnosis is made, anyone can give medication.

Freddonance:
My brother, most of the time specimen is sent to the lab, it's not intended to make diagnosis..
Some diagnosis are clinical. The most important part of patient's management is diagnosis. When a diagnosis is made, anyone can give medication.

no doubt some diagnosis are clinical.nevertheless, there are times things do not add up and you are lost as at what could be wrong with a pt and u start ordering for different investigations, other times, u come up with differentials nd by investigations, start eliminating to get a definitive diagnosis. no doubt history taking and clinical examination are critical in arriving at a diagnosis but u just can't take out the importance of laboratory investigations

Au79:
at the bolded..
.now wat business does an orthopedic surgeon, a psychiatrist, a plastic surgeon, a neurosurgeon, have with your 18000 different tests order than the base line investigations that even a medlab technician can conduct . no one is downplaying your profession oga , its just the truth..you guys are not as relevant as you portray yourselves to be...a physician doesn't need a lab result to resuscitate a patient... like I said in one of my earlier post, lab results are just for confirmation as the physician already has an idea of wat the result will eventually turn out to be and most atimes ,treatment starts even before the arrival of
the test result( especially microbiological tests) . for example a patient presents with bleeding through orifices, fever of which other causes as been excluded and history of rat bite who has the time to wait for one yeye lab result that can take almost a week( wen my patient has days to live if I don't intervene) before I rescuscitate and probably start emperical treatment for lassa fever wen I know am more dan 90% certain dat the test result wud agree with my clinical suspicion...
oga even in the lab, interpretation of results is done by pathologist..there is a reason for that...I can remember a time wen a patient was sent to a peripheral hospital for a test...the lab scientist submitted a result of haemoglobin con. of 8 g/dl and for same patient(pregnant woman who was a primigravida)packed cell volume of 44%...now such a result wud never leave that lab for submission had it been it was reviewed by a pathology...
oga pls stop qoutin and giving us history and theories..you and I know how these things work globally( that is if you are practicing already)

Same old irrelevant epistle. We remember when one your CMDs entered the lab to run PCV (one of the most basic tests that lab assistants can run) during JOHESU strike and messed up the samples some years ago, yet you want to head the Scientist, or is it your Dr Enabulele for NMA president that claimed Vibrio cholerae was gram positive yet calls himself a pathologist who must head the Scientist.

A Medical Scientist is medically trained and is qualified to interprete results, go on labtests online and do your findings. It's an FDA, AMA, ASCP, ASCLS approved website for all diagnotic test information. You can even contact a Scientist for enquiries.

Stop trying and hustling to downplay the laboratory because of your insecurities with your mumbo jumbo.

cosef:
Stop deceiving yourself. The principles methodologies and use of those tests are taught to Scientists from undergraduate even to Post-baccalaurete and post-graduate levels, according to their specialities. Medical laboratory is very dynamic and always evolving field.

The funny thing about this Lab man is that he likes using big words.
Do you think using big words makes you smart. There's no where in the world that a lab scientist or whatever you call yourself is placed higher than a Pathologist.
Even a 4th medical student is way higher than a lab scientist. I'm not surprised you consider Bence Jones, AFP as highly complex investigations, they're really complex to you judging by the fact that you only did laboratory medicine for 6 months in your 3rd year, 6 months in your 4th year and 3 months in 5th year, because the remaining 3 months was used for your project. I'm very conversant with your curriculum and I can confidently tell you that you know nothing. Even the things you're saying, it's just copy and paste, that's why your argument is incoherent and lacks simple logic.

I have helped so many so called final year medical lab student with their project, and I do shed tears each time I interact with them. Bros, you guys know next to nothing even in laboratory medicine, you're only good at making noise.
Please, I indulge doctors to stop arguing with this slowpokes, they don't deserve your time.
Just come to clinics in a teaching hospital and see how they're always running to doctors clothed in fears whenever they have a minor health challenge. Why not run test and treat yourself of leukaemia or reduce your fractured legs and as well manage your diabetic ketoacidosis.

I don't blame you people. All these disrespect is because we are in a society where people are not appreciative and they think they can run their mouths anyhow. Do you even know the history of laboratory medicine in Nigeria and the world, do you know how it started?
Off course, you don't when you spend all your time trying to bite the finger that fed you.
Please, stop showcasing your ignorance to the public and take time to reflect on your life and be grateful for where you are.
Go and write this down, no matter how far you will go, you will never be higher than the dullest pathologist professionally, that's the truth. And if you don't like it, go to medical school, that's if you can.

charleymed:
[s]The funny thing about this Lab man is that he likes using big words.
Do you think using big words makes you smart. There's no where in the world that a lab scientist or whatever you call yourself is placed higher than a Pathologist.
Even a 4th medical student is way higher than a lab scientist. I'm not surprised you consider Bence Jones, AFP as highly complex investigations, they're really complex to you judging by the fact that you only did laboratory medicine for 6 months in your 3rd year, 6 months in your 4th year and 3 months in 5th year, because the remaining 3 months was used for your project. I'm very conversant with your curriculum and I can confidently tell you that you know nothing. Even the things you're saying, it's just copy and paste, that's why your argument is incoherent and lacks simple logic.

I have helped so many so called final year medical lab student with their project, and I do shed tears each time I interact with them. Bros, you guys know next to nothing even in laboratory medicine, you're only good at making noise.
Please, I indulge doctors to stop arguing with this slowpokes, they don't deserve your time.
Just come to clinics in a teaching hospital and see how they're always running to doctors clothed in fears whenever they have a minor health challenge. Why not run test and treat yourself of leukaemia or reduce your fractured legs and as well manage your diabetic ketoacidosis.

I don't blame you people. All these disrespect is because we are in a society where people are not appreciative and they think they can run their mouths anyhow. Do you even know the history of laboratory medicine in Nigeria and the world, do you know how it started?
Off course, you don't when you spend all your time trying to bite the finger that fed you.
Please, stop showcasing your ignorance to the public and take time to reflect on your life and be grateful for where you are.
Go and write this down, no matter how far you will go, you will never be higher than the dullest pathologist professionally, that's the truth. And if you don't like it, go to medical school, that's if you can[/s].

A white robed butcher and his rants. House job man, you tried to disrespect a noble profession but you got a good beat down as you always got in the courts, deal with it.

cosef:
A white robed butcher and his rants. House job man, you tried to disrespect a noble profession but you got a good beat down as you always got in the courts, deal with it.

You are still defending yourself? na wa for u

cosef:
A white robed butcher and his rants. House job man, you tried to disrespect a noble profession but you got a good beat down as you always got in the courts, deal with it.

Like ure confused..

I can b of help though

bmlsbmls:
And what about consultant clinical scientists in UK? Do they also pass results to their doctors?

Yes, there are extremely few consultant clinical scientists and consultant nurses, pharmacists. But they all know their limits. A consultant laboratory or clinical scientists will never interprete results for doctors. He can only suggests what next can be done in form of laboratory tests. Their role is mostly advisory to the doctors. If a consultant laboratory physician gives an interpretation on laboratory tests etc, no other doctor can change it. And when you say clinical science, do they have clinical training or just laboratory training? There are many numenclatures in UK but definitely, nobody claims what he is not trained to do. And all groups are tightly regulated, unlike in Nigeria.