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Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 1:30pm On Jul 08, 2019
AbuuBilaal:
It's their land and it's their right to do what they wish with it.

They should also not stop the people who wish to give land.

Nobody wants to give their ancestral land to the 4th deadliest terrorist group on earth
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by AnanseK(m): 1:31pm On Jul 08, 2019
Ostrogoth:

These northerners just want war and the disamagalmation of this country! I believe its time KANU and Gani Adams start their mobilization, winter is here!

There is no need for war:
Take a look at these facts.
NIGERIA'S 36 STATES & FCT RANKED IN ORDER OF LAND SURFACE AREA.*
*RANK STATE KM²*
1 Niger State 76,363
2 Borno State 70,898
3 Taraba State 54,473
4 Kaduna State 46,053
5 Bauchi State 45,837
6 Yobe State 45,502
7 Zamfara State 39,762
8 Adamawa State 36,917
9 Kwara State 36,825
10 Kebbi State 36,800
11 Benue State 34,059
12 Plateau State 30,913
13 Kogi State 29,833
14 Oyo State 28,454
15 Nasarawa State 27,117
16 Sokoto State 25,973
17 Katsina State 24,192
18 Jigawa State 23,154
19 Cross River State 20,156
20 Kano State 20,131
21 Gombe State 18,768
22 Edo State 17,802
23 Delta State 17,698
24 Ogun State 16,762
25 Ondo State 15,500
26 Rivers State 11,077
27 Bayelsa State 10,773
28 Osun State 9,251
* Federal Capital Territory 7,315
29 Enugu State. 7,161
30 Akwa Ibom State 7,081
31 Ekiti State 6,353
32 Abia State 6,320
33 Ebonyi State 5,670
34 Imo State 5,530
35 Anambra State 4,844
36 Lagos State 3,345

*Anambra + Enugu + Abia + Imo + Ebonyi = 29525KM²
Kogi = 29833KM²

**Ogun + Oyo + Osun + Ondo + Ekiti = 76320KM²
Lagos = 3345KM²
Niger alone = 76363KM²
Niger State = Entire Southwest States - Lagos

The entire southeast is a little less than Kogi State only
The north have more than enough land to take care of RUGA.

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Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by AnanseK(m): 1:37pm On Jul 08, 2019
wink2015:


FULANI HERDSMEN HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
THEY SHOULD NEVER BE REWARDED WITH THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ANCESTRAL LAND.
NEVER ! I SAY ! NEVER !
THEY DESERVED TO BE PROSECUTED AND NOT REWARDED.
LAND IN NIGERIA IS CONTROLLED BY THE STATE AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DO NOT HAVE POWER.
Why is Fulani herdsmen treated as a special breeds of Individual?
Are they better than the fishermen in Bayelsa or the Cocoa farmer in Ondo state.

You have problem with comprehension. Read the post again or get someone to translate it for you.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Ostrogoth(m): 1:37pm On Jul 08, 2019
AnanseK:


There is no need for war:
Take a look at these facts.
NIGERIA'S 36 STATES & FCT RANKED IN ORDER OF LAND SURFACE AREA.*
*RANK STATE KM²*
1 Niger State 76,363
2 Borno State 70,898
3 Taraba State 54,473
4 Kaduna State 46,053
5 Bauchi State 45,837
6 Yobe State 45,502
7 Zamfara State 39,762
8 Adamawa State 36,917
9 Kwara State 36,825
10 Kebbi State 36,800
11 Benue State 34,059
12 Plateau State 30,913
13 Kogi State 29,833
14 Oyo State 28,454
15 Nasarawa State 27,117
16 Sokoto State 25,973
17 Katsina State 24,192
18 Jigawa State 23,154
19 Cross River State 20,156
20 Kano State 20,131
21 Gombe State 18,768
22 Edo State 17,802
23 Delta State 17,698
24 Ogun State 16,762
25 Ondo State 15,500
26 Rivers State 11,077
27 Bayelsa State 10,773
28 Osun State 9,251
* Federal Capital Territory 7,315
29 Enugu State. 7,161
30 Akwa Ibom State 7,081
31 Ekiti State 6,353
32 Abia State 6,320
33 Ebonyi State 5,670
34 Imo State 5,530
35 Anambra State 4,844
36 Lagos State 3,345

*Anambra + Enugu + Abia + Imo + Ebonyi = 29525KM²
Kogi = 29833KM²

**Ogun + Oyo + Osun + Ondo + Ekiti = 76320KM²
Lagos = 3345KM²
Niger alone = 76363KM²
Niger State = Entire Southwest States - Lagos

The entire southeast is a little less than Kogi State only
The north have more than enough land to take care of RUGA.

Yes there actually is no need for war but the stubborn insistence of the north in their bid to foisted the fulanis on the south will eventually lead to war!
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by AbuuBilaal(m): 1:38pm On Jul 08, 2019
Ostrogoth:


Na lie! Which part of osun state? And if tpu really are a Yoruba from osun who has seen how the fulanis are terrorising the ilesha-osogbo and ilesa-akure and their corresponding roads and you still want Ruga, omo àlè ñí ó!

I don't see any fulanis terrorising the road. I only see ritualists kidnapping people. That ilesa-akure road has been the trade route of kidnappers from time immemorial.

Tell your people to leave idolatry and blood rituals.

Even if I tell you where I'm from you'll still not believe.

You see, Yoruba and Igbo people want to blame northerners for their plight but they can't. It's not their fault that you people chose the 'bring him down' way of life.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Omoslim26: 1:39pm On Jul 08, 2019
Judolisco:
I go kill myself untop land Godforbid if u get money jst comut 4 dis country angry

if u run comot let anoda man collect ur ancestral land ur ancestors no go let u enjoy life o my g beta fight nd die for ur heritage
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by wifeesnatcher(m): 1:46pm On Jul 08, 2019
tiredoflife:


We will put Ruga in all south west
U all voted for them
So u must accommodate them


A for apple B for ball


tell that to your igwe that was canvassing for the Ruga days ago. una eyes go soon clear until those 5 clowns sell you to your regular customer again
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Ostrogoth(m): 1:48pm On Jul 08, 2019
AbuuBilaal:


I don't see any fulanis terrorising the road. I only see ritualists kidnapping people. That ilesa-akure road has been the trade route of kidnappers from time immemorial.

Tell your people to leave idolatry and blood rituals.

Even if I tell you where I'm from you'll still not believe.

You see, Yoruba and Igbo people want to blame northerners for their plight but they can't. It's not their fault that you people chose the 'bring him down' way of life.
You definitely are not Yoruba else you would have reacted to the Yoruba words I wrote there! Besides Adebayo is a common Yoruba name which even the hausas were calling themselves in order to escape lynching in ile-ife in 2017 after they killed a Yoruba man. You are a bloody Fulani or a Fulani's slave who happens to know ABC!

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Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by nams77: 1:53pm On Jul 08, 2019
dairykidd:

I used to think like u but then i realized the foolishness in it, the cowardice. It's not about money or land its a lot more than that. Its about preserving our lineage, fighting for our rights, securing the future, protecting our children and generational heritage, preserving what our great ancestors lived and died for... Running away to another man's country will not help us. Even if u eventually become nationalized there and your children do not know about their origin because u decided to keep it that way, believe it or not one day they will ask questions and begin to trace their steps back and if they do eventually only to find out they were marginalized due to certain events and inaction by their forefathers at a time in history which now leaves them no place because their tribe/ group has become insignificant.. Can u imagine how they would look at ur old broken tombstone ?
Wonderful response

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Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by AbuuBilaal(m): 1:54pm On Jul 08, 2019
Ostrogoth:

You definitely are not Yoruba else you would have reacted to the Yoruba words I wrote there! Besides Adebayo is a common Yoruba name which even the hausas were calling themselves in order to escape lynching in ile-ife in 2017 after they killed a Yoruba man. You are a bloody Fulani or a Fulani's slave who happens to know ABC!
Lols. You have the right to your opinion.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by freeze001(f): 1:57pm On Jul 08, 2019
isthatso:



I have been to all! the Fulanis moving down south and your associated fears are no different from You people migrating towards the west...FACT!

Di respecting in the sense that you start to install kings within your host kingdoms, say things like "no man's land" etc

so when you point fingers at the fulanis and rightly so, dont forget the finger pointing back at you.

Migration is a natural part of human existence and it is ever changing and many places will have their identities changed in 100 years time and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We are all migrants, If we all trace our histories many of us are not from the place we call our ancestral home. The fulanis we talk about are historically not Nigerian, Fulani is not historically a Nigerian tribe, all fulanis are immigrants, just as all Egbas, Ijebus are immigrants!! I just find it ironic that the SE who are Nigeria's greatest migrators are threatened when their own migration is eroding the identities of other parts of the country

1. Have you ever accused the fulani of this same disrespect since they have their Sarkins all over the country where they are found in large numbers? The Sarkin Fulani of Lagos (the former FCT) formed a major dicourse in the past week...
2. Has any Eze Ndi Igbo come out to contest or rub shoulders with the Obas and Ooni and other recognised and respected traditional rulesrs in the SW? Has any Igbo man anywhere asked any SW state governor or Yorubas generally to recognise Eze Ndi Igbo as one of the chiefs in Yoruba land?
3. When your leaders and state governors want to interface with other ethnic groups in their domains and vice versa, how do you think it is facilitated? By contatcting them all individually or through their recognised leaders? Eze Ndi Igbo outside Igbo land is no king but just a leader/rallying point of Igbos in that region. What is the fear?
3. Are you aware that you also have Oba Yoruba in other states in Nigeria? Are you also being disrespectful? If you are not aware, educate yourself...
4. No man's land comment, has it ever divested any Yoruba of his ancestral heritage? Has any Igbo man in the SW lifted even a stone talkless of arms to enforce a 'no-man's-land' policy and driven any yoruba out of his or her land/property/home?
5. Have you heard, perceived or seen any Igbo man demand compulsory settlement in any part of yoruba land as a matter of right and entitlement without complying with the rules/laws of the host community or state government?

Calmly answer these questions then ask yourself whether this disrespect y'all claim is real or a figment of your imagination.

Igbos migrate strictly for business and pay their way through. Has any Igbo man destroyed another person's property or business, massacred and raided communities or killed people in any part of Nigeria just so his own can thrive? The answer is a resounding no and that cannot be said for the fulani. You cannot compare the commercial activities of the Igbo that start from scratch to build with any help he can get to the fulani herdsmen that express an entitlement and right to all parts of Nigeria with unbridled murder and destruction, leaving disaster in their stead. Is it a crime for the Igbo man to own property out of mutual, private business between himself and others? Mutual benefits were derives, why begrudge the Igbo man his whilst you fail to see that the yoruba seller for instance also made a lot of money from that transaction? Can the same be said of the fulani herdsmen?

The Igbo man is not your enemy, stop and think. We have a common enemy, even the Ooni has recognised the problems of expansionist fulani herdsmen.

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Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by SeriouslySense(m): 1:57pm On Jul 08, 2019
[quote author=PlanckTime post=80057342]
Buhari is a religious bigot and religious extremist, that's why most Nigerian Muslims love and prefer him to Atiku, even the liberal Muslims too.
the Fulani Jihadists killing people are not really Nigerians but they collude with the Nigerian Fulani to carryout all these atrocities, they want to conquer more land/territory and extend the caliphate. Buhari has another agenda and don't care about Nigeria.
It's not really the herdsmen that carryout the killings, the Fulani herdsmen have a military wing which is also under Miyetti-Allah, its the jihadist military/militants that slaughter people not the herdsmen that carry cows around, this has been going on for centuries and that's how the Fulanis Lord over the North.
They will go to village and kill the indigenous people, sack the community people then import news Fulanis who are not even Nigerians to take over the community and nothing will happen, they have the back of most powerful politicians.

Buhari will be pretending as if he is helpless and don't know what to do, he will blame the killings on politicians, Gadafi, Malians, foreigners and the same time asks Nigerians to surrender their land to the killers for peace to reign.


more than 90% of the victims are minority Christians

BUHARI IS 100% INVOLVED IN THE KILLINGS.

just watch this video and understand it a little



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0CeMHeoejw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6msiKwOjiLk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6qPH0L5xcc[/quo

THANK YOU
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by SeriouslySense(m): 2:06pm On Jul 08, 2019
AnanseK:
NIGERIA'S 36 STATES & FCT RANKED IN ORDER OF LAND SURFACE AREA.*
*RANK STATE KM²*
1 Niger State 76,363
2 Borno State 70,898
3 Taraba State 54,473
4 Kaduna State 46,053
5 Bauchi State 45,837
6 Yobe State 45,502
7 Zamfara State 39,762
8 Adamawa State 36,917
9 Kwara State 36,825
10 Kebbi State 36,800
11 Benue State 34,059
12 Plateau State 30,913
13 Kogi State 29,833
14 Oyo State 28,454
15 Nasarawa State 27,117
16 Sokoto State 25,973
17 Katsina State 24,192
18 Jigawa State 23,154
19 Cross River State 20,156
20 Kano State 20,131
21 Gombe State 18,768
22 Edo State 17,802
23 Delta State 17,698
24 Ogun State 16,762
25 Ondo State 15,500
26 Rivers State 11,077
27 Bayelsa State 10,773
28 Osun State 9,251
* Federal Capital Territory 7,315
29 Enugu State. 7,161
30 Akwa Ibom State 7,081
31 Ekiti State 6,353
32 Abia State 6,320
33 Ebonyi State 5,670
34 Imo State 5,530
35 Anambra State 4,844
36 Lagos State 3,345

*Anambra + Enugu + Abia + Imo + Ebonyi = 29525KM²
Kogi = 29833KM²

**Ogun + Oyo + Osun + Ondo + Ekiti = 76320KM²
Lagos = 3345KM²
Niger alone = 76363KM²
Niger State = Entire Southwest States - Lagos

The entire southeast is a little less than Kogi State only
The north have more than enough land to take care of RUGA and there is no reason for this bellicosity.
Thank you
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 2:08pm On Jul 08, 2019
The beginning of the end.

The next civil catastrophe, which the CIA predicted to happen in 2015, may seem averted, yet still boiling.

We hope it does not, and it the event that it happens, then war is a business opportunity that smart people desperately need, to make big wins.

Buhari is only your President because you allow him to. The moment you all are serious about toppling his government, you will all stop work and cause civil disobedience as you did to Jonathan Subsidy Strike. No President survives masses national revolution.

For now, you all are slaves of your own victim mentality. You are weak in the division created to make tribes in the South fight each other.

Until you are surrounded, you think you are brave.

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Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 2:09pm On Jul 08, 2019
freeze001:


1. Have you ever accused the fulani of this same disrespect since they have their Sarkins all over the country where they are found in large numbers? The Sarkin Fulani of Lagos (the former FCT) formed a major dicourse in the past week...
2. Has any Eze Ndi Igbo come out to contest or rub shoulders with the Obas and Ooni and other recognised and respected traditional rulesrs in the SW? Has any Igbo man anywhere asked any SW state governor or Yorubas generally to recognise Eze Ndi Igbo as one of the chiefs in Yoruba land?
3. When your leaders and state governors want to interface with other ethnic groups in their domains and vice versa, how do you think it is facilitated? By contatcting them all individually or throough their recognised leaders? Eze Ndi Igbo outside Igbo land is no king but just a leader/rallying point of Igbos in that region. What is the fear?
3. Are you aware that you also have Oba Yoruba in other states in Nigeria? Are you also being disrespenctful? If you are not aware, educate yourself...
4. No man's land comment, has it ever divested any Yoruba of his abcestral heritage? Has any Igbo man in the SW lifted even a stone talkless of arms to enforce a 'no-man's-land' policy and driven any yoruba out of his or her land/property/home?
5. Have you heard, perceived or seen any Igbo man demand compulsory settlement in any part of yoruba land as a matter of right and entitlement without complying with the rules/laws of the host community or sttae government?

Calmly answer these questions then ask yourself whether this disrespect y'all claim is real or a figment of your imagination.

Igbos migrate strictly for business and pay their way through. Has any Igbo man destroyed another person's property or business, massacred and raided communities or killed people in any part of Nigeria just so his own can thrive? The answer is a resounding no and that cannot be said for the fulani. You cannot compare the commercial activities of the Igbo that start from scratch to build with any help he can get to the fulani herdsmen that express an entitlement and right to all parts of Nigeria with unbridled murder and destruction, leaving disaster in their stead. Is it a crime for the Igbo man to own property out of mutual, private business between himself and others? Mutual benefits were derives, why begrudge the Igbo man his whilst you fail to see that the yoruba seller for instance also made a lot of money from that transaction? Can the same be said of the fulani herdsmen?

The Igbo man is not your enemy, stop and think. We have a common enemy, even the Ooni has recognised the problems of expansionist fulani herdsmen.


I didnt bother to read your epistle because from the 1st few statements i could see where you are going. You are being a hypocrite, you dont want people in your land but you want to go and occupy other people land boasting you own 50% of the properties! How is that any different from the Fulanis coming to the SE? Like I said I dont blame Igbos for want to protect the identity and of their ancestral land but the FACT is they are doing the same thing in SW they are afraid the fulanis will do in the SE. You want to eat your cake and have it, protect your land and it's culture while you infiltrate, capture and control others. there are many parts of the SW especially lagos Festac, Surulere, parts of Ikeja, Ibadan, that 20 years ago were distinctly yoruba and are today Ibo zones, isnt that colonization by stealth? isnt that the same thing you are afraid of?


I dont care about these things but i am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the people from the SE. The ones who should be making noise are the people from the SW because we are the ones under threat from Fulanis and SE migrants. Immigration will happen and peoples will become diluted, it is inevitable, I am just pointing out that the Igbos have no leg to stand on because they are doing all over Nigeria particularly the SW precisely what they are afraid the fulanis will do in their land!

Whether we like it or not, Muslims will far outweigh christians in this country in another 100 years in the same way as Ibos will make up at least half of the SW. It's unavoidable except the country breaks up just stop being hypocrytes or playing the victim!!
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 2:15pm On Jul 08, 2019
isthatso:


I didnt bother to read your epistle because from the 1st few statements i could see where you are going. You are being a hypocrite, you dont want people in your land but you want to go and occupy other people land boasting you own 50% of the properties! How is that any different from the Fulanis coming to the SE? Like I said I dont blame Igbos for want to protect the identity and of their ancestral land but the FACT is they are doing the same thing in SW they are afraid the fulanis will do in the SE. You want to eat your cake and have it, protect your land and it's culture while you infiltrate others.


I dont care about these things but i am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the people from the SE. The ones who should be making noise are the people from the SW because we are the ones under threat from Fulanis and SE migrants. Immigration will happen and peoples will become diluted, it is inevitable, I am just pointing out that the Igbos have no leg to stand on because they are doing precisely what they are afraid the fulanis will do!

Except that the Igbos are paying the cash equivalent for the worth of the land as requested by the ancestral heir of the land. But the Fulanis want it for free and forcefully.

The above is called tribalism and it aint cool at all. When a Human is birth into the Human family on Earth, they can either legitimately inherit as heir or purchase using their energy yield called Money, or be gifted. Not through the use of political or religious machineries.

But if all odds are off the table of civility, may be we should fight another civil war over our lands. Now I can see why the entire Armed Forces Leadership are from the same Basket.

Are you all pondering what I am pondering ?

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Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by worldclass68(m): 2:18pm On Jul 08, 2019
nototribalist:
I don't know why I have the feeling that Nigeria will soon fight another civil war soon. Just because of this Buhari who believe his Fulani has the right to kill people.



I think if buhari refuse to stop this RUGA of a thing, it will only leads to another civil war which at the end would be a blessing in disguise for the south but might come with a great or little cost...but would settle everything once and for all.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by InvertedHammer: 2:22pm On Jul 08, 2019
nototribalist:
I don't know why I have the feeling that Nigeria will soon fight another civil war soon. Just because of this Buhari who believe his Fulani has the right to kill people.
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Blame the Fulani for killing people. Also, blame the victims who knew the devil they are dealing with but instead of taking preemptive measures to defend themselves, relied on conniving FG for non-existent assistance.

FG and Northern Groups are drumming for war. Yet some other regions are busy preaching for peace without defensive backup plans. You must stare down or fight a bully to earn his respect.

How difficult is it to issue fatwa on herdsmen and declare then personae non grata? But nobody wants to do the heavy lifting. How can three to ten herdsmen overrun a whole community?
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Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by freeze001(f): 2:25pm On Jul 08, 2019
Was it government policy for Igbos to buy and own property? Were the lands taken forcefully or allocated to them by the FG? That is the issue I tried to point out...
This fulani matter is worlds apart because the FG suddenly wants to allocate lands to fellow private citizens, why? Same citizens that are known for murder and destruction? Some are not eben Nigerians and the FG has said it million and one times. Do yoruba people no own business and properties outside Nigeria? Did any foregn government get involved and allocate lands/property to them as some special breed? Your yoruba leaders have also warned against fulani ruga settlement, why? If the proposition was so wonderful or even comparable with an Igbo man living and doing/owning business/property in yoruba land, why all the warnings against ruga? Your leaders should have embraced the program then your allegation that Igbos are occupying, capturing and controlling woulld have some merit otherwise, it is balderdash and absolute stupidity. How many herdsmen pay taxes/levies to your state governments as the Igbo man does? If there is assimilation, it must be mutually beneficial not by violence or governnment policy.

isthatso:


I didnt bother to read your epistle because from the 1st few statements i could see where you are going. You are being a hypocrite, you dont want people in your land but you want to go and occupy other people land boasting you own 50% of the properties! How is that any different from the Fulanis coming to the SE? Like I said I dont blame Igbos for want to protect the identity and of their ancestral land but the FACT is they are doing the same thing in SW they are afraid the fulanis will do in the SE. You want to eat your cake and have it, protect your land and it's culture while you infiltrate, capture and control others. there are many parts of the SW especially lagos Festac, Surulere, parts of Ikeja, Ibadan, that 20 years ago were distinctly yoruba and are today Ibo zones, isnt that colonization by stealth? isnt that the same thing you are afraid of?


I dont care about these things but i am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the people from the SE. The ones who should be making noise are the people from the SW because we are the ones under threat from Fulanis and SE migrants. Immigration will happen and peoples will become diluted, it is inevitable, I am just pointing out that the Igbos have no leg to stand on because they are doing all over Nigeria particularly the SW precisely what they are afraid the fulanis will do in their land!

Whether we like it or not, Muslims will far outweigh christians in this country in another 100 years in the same way as Ibos will make up at least half of the SW. It's unavoidable except the country breaks up just stop being hypocrytes or playing the victim!!
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 2:26pm On Jul 08, 2019
VRDroid:


Except that the Igbos are paying the cash equivalent for the worth of the land as requested by the ancestral heir of the land. But the Fulanis want it for free and forcefully.

The above is called tribalism and it aint cool at all. When a Human is birth into the Human family on Earth, they can either legitimately inherit as heir or purchase using their energy yield called Money, or be gifted. Not through the use of political or religious machineries.

But if all odds are off the table of civility, may be we should fight another civil war over our lands. Now I can see why the entire Armed Forces Leadership are from the same Basket.

Are you all pondering what I am pondering ?

why must every discussion with you people always trickle down to money? Who cares whether you paid for the land or not? does the yoruba man who goes to his ancestral home and doesnt recognise it care whether the land was taken or paid for? what he cares is that he no longer recognises his home and all he sees are strangers!!

Like I said immigration is part of life. The fulani is migrating because he needs pasture and water and market for his cows, the ibos man migrates to where he can earn a living...simple as. We can make all the noise we want but we cant stop it. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of a migrant people complaining about migrants
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 2:30pm On Jul 08, 2019
freeze001:
Was it government policy for Igbos to buy and own property? Were the lands taken forcefully or allocated to them by the FG? That is the issue I tried to point out...
This fulani matter is worlds apart because the FG suddenly wants to allocate lands to fellow private citizens, why? Same citizens that are known for murder and destruction? Some are not eben Nigerians and the FG has said it million and one times. Do yoruba people no own business and properties outside Nigeria? Did any foregn government get involved and allocate lands/property to them as some special breed? Your yoruba leaders have also warned against fulani ruga settlement, why? If the proposition was so wonderful or even comparable with an Igbo man living and doing/owning business/property in yoruba land, why all the warnings against ruga? Your leaders should have embraced the program then your allegation that Igbos are occupying, capturing and controlling woulld have some merit otherwise, it is balderdash and absolute stupidity. How many herdsmen pay taxes/levies to your state governments as the Igbo man does?


All the giberish just shows your hypocrisy. Igbos have no leg to stand on because they themselves have taken over other people's land whether bought or not is irrelevant.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by freeze001(f): 2:30pm On Jul 08, 2019
isthatso:


why must every discussion with you people always trickle down to money? Who cares whether you paid for the land or not? does the yoruba man who goes to his ancestral home and doesnt recognise it care whether the land was taken or paid for? what he cares is that he no longer recognises his home and all he sees are strangers!!

Like I said immigration is part of life. The fulani is migrating because he needs pasture and water and market for his cows, the ibos man migrates to where he can earn a living...simple as. We can make all the noise we want but we cant stop it. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of a migrant people complaining about migrants

And you are missing the point of the nature/kind and backing of this immigration. The actual fear is of violence and threat to one's life and livelihood not the mere presence of fellow human beings albeit of different ethnic groupings struggling to make ends meet within the ambit of the law of the land.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 2:33pm On Jul 08, 2019
freeze001:


And you are missing the point of the nature/kind and backing of this immigration.
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maybe you are also missing the point that you people are not exactly undisruptive guests?
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by freeze001(f): 2:34pm On Jul 08, 2019
isthatso:


All the giberish just shows your hypocrisy. Igbos have no leg to stand on because they themselves have taken over other people's land whether bought or not is irrelevant.

On the contrary, it is not irrelevant because the presence of the Igbos in large numbers poses no threat to the lives and well being of the host community. Mutual business is beneficial to all concerned. Can you say the same of the fulani? Ask those in the north and middle belt if you are not sure...
And no, there is no take over by the Igbo, it is rather simple commercial transactions protected by law.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by freeze001(f): 2:35pm On Jul 08, 2019
isthatso:

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maybe you are also missing the point that you people are not exactly undisruptive guests?

Kindly explain the disruptions then..
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 2:36pm On Jul 08, 2019
freeze001:


On the contrary, it is not irrelevant because the presence of the Igbos in large numbers poses no threat to the lives and well being of the host community. Mutual business is beneficial to all concerned. Can you say the same of the fulani? Ask those in the north and middle belt if you are not sure...

there are different types of nuisance factors. Death is at the extreme but there are others that we deal with on a daily basis that erode quality of life and lead to a slow death if you may.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 2:38pm On Jul 08, 2019
isthatso:


why must every discussion with you people always trickle down to money? Who cares whether you paid for the land or not? does the yoruba man who goes to his ancestral home and doesnt recognise it care whether the land was taken or paid for? what he cares is that he no longer recognises his home and all he sees are strangers!!

Like I said immigration is part of life. The fulani is migrating because he needs pasture and water and market for his cows, the ibos man migrates to where he can earn a living...simple as. We can make all the noise we want but we cant stop it. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy of a migrant people complaining about migrants

If you lie to yourself long enough you can even convince yourself that all that you said are accurate. Obviously not true. Even before the invention of gold standard as a measurement of value and transfers of value, our human ancestors used to barter.

Growing up, our grandparents used to barter land, if one family needs a piece of land at a certain location, they swap pieces of land and transfer ownerships amicably.

The Igbos living outside their ancestral land paid in cash for it, so do the Yorubas who live outside their ancestral land, even many Fulani people also pay for land but the policymakers behind the facade called Presidency want to allocate Ancestral lands across Nigeria to a group of cattle owners of Fulani extraction FREE of CHARGE.

And you are here sounding emotionally accurate but cerebrally deactivated. By the way, I am not Igbo, so save the emotional angle of the pie.

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Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by freeze001(f): 2:38pm On Jul 08, 2019
isthatso:


there are different types of nuisance factors. Death is at the extreme but there are others that we deal with on a daily basis that erode quality of life and lead to a slow death if you may.

Explain and while at it kindly draw the connection between the identified nuisance and the identity/tribe of Igbo as the cause and nothing more.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by Nobody: 2:40pm On Jul 08, 2019
freeze001:


On the contrary, it is not irrelevant because the presence of the Igbos in large numbers poses no threat to the lives and well being of the host community. Mutual business is beneficial to all concerned. Can you say the same of the fulani? Ask those in the north and middle belt if you are not sure...
And no, there is no take over by the Igbo, it is rather simple commercial transactions protected by law.

if you say so, this thing is not that important to me to continue this discussion. I just hope that maybe now that there is a threat of takeover of your land by fulanis will wake you up to your impact you have when you emigrate to other people's land and at least learn to be good visitors.
Re: Ruga: Ooni Of Ife, Wole Soyinka Tell Nigerians To Defend Their Ancestral Lands by freeze001(f): 2:45pm On Jul 08, 2019
Bottom line is that the learned habit of hating on the Igbo just because is what has played out here. As long as the ownership of any land by the Igbo in yoruba land was not by govermnment demand/policy but by mutual, valid exchange of value and simple business/commercial ventures, your arguments hold no water. Sayonara!
isthatso:


if you say so, this thing is not that important to me to continue this discussion. I just hope that maybe now that there is a threat of takeover of your land by fulanis will wake you up to your impact you have when you emigrate to other people's land and at least learn to be good visitors.

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