Rossikk:


You wouldn't be saying this if you'd grown up in Louisiana or Mississippi.

Or in Russia, or Latvia...or Poland. Or even Italy.

Being a Nigerian, you don't have experience of the kind of 'white people' you should know about before discussing these sort of issues.

Do you know that in the USA there are 45 million+ African-Americans, and millions of them have very recent family histories in which their relatives were hunted down by hordes of whites, surrounded, poured petrol on and set on fire, as they were being hanged? These public lynchings of blacks was part and parcel of American life for its 400 year existence right up till just under 40 years ago. And that blatant racial discrimination exists till today, structurally, in education, criminal justice, housing, jobs et al.

When you speak to the average African American who was born and raised in Missisippi, or Missouri, or South Carolina, he doesn't tell you

''white people are nice and have swag''.

He has another story to tell you.

One that is far more reality-based, and far less romanticised than your wild-eyed adoration.

You are being historically inaccurate. You are talking about the KKK which was formed after the civil war. Murders were not ongoing for 400 years, and the KKK murdered a lot of white people also. Blatant discrimination does not exist today in anything that you mentioned. If anything government jobs and university admissions favor Blacks/Hispanic over Whites, E. Asians and S. Asians.

According to the Tuskegee Institute, 4,743 people were lynched between 1882 and 1968 in the United States, including 3,446 African Americans and 1,297 whites. More than 73 percent of lynchings in the post-Civil War period occurred in the Southern states.[9] According to the Equal Justice Initiative, 4,084 African-Americans were lynched between 1877 and 1950 in the South.[10]

CTPlayer:


You are being historically inaccurate. You are talking about the KKK which was formed after the civil war. Murders were not ongoing for 400 years

The hell they weren't. In this 400 years existed slavery, in which blacks were denied every single right available to Americans, and were killed at will on a daily basis by white slave masters, for the flimsiest of reasons, with no one held to account.

If anything it was far worse for blacks during the 400 period you mentioned. It was a nightmare.

and the KKK murdered a lot of white people also.

Of course they killed those whites who fought for civil rights for the oppressed blacks. That just shows how vicious they were in their hatred of blacks.

Blatant discrimination does not exist today in anything that you mentioned. If anything government jobs and university admissions favor Blacks/Hispanic over Whites, E. Asians and S. Asians.

Load of garbage. Stop watching Fox News and read some proper statistics on racial disparities in all sectors of the US nation.

Rossikk:


The hell they weren't. In this 400 years existed slavery, in which blacks were denied every single right available to Americans, and were killed at will on a daily basis by white slave masters, for the flimsiest of reasons, with no one held to account.

If anything it was far worse for blacks during the 400 period you mentioned. It was a nightmare.




Of course they killed those whites who fought for civil rights for the oppressed blacks. That just shows how vicious they were in their hatred of blacks.



Load of garbage. Stop watching Fox News and read some proper statistics on racial disparities in all sectors of the US nation.

Depending on how you want to slice it slavery existed from 1777 or 1786 to 1865. That isn't 400 years. Every single "right", Black men could vote 70 years before white women lol. There are always going to be racial disparities relative various types of occupations. There are more Nigerian American Doctors in the USA than African American male Doctors. The vast majority of engineers are Men. Women don't major in Engineering etc.

Nobody should hate Arabs, Europeans or the so-called whiteman, its the theieves, bastards and warmongers that stole and continue to steal from Africa that one should hate.

If a so-called whitemansic is of good behaviour and has high moral standard, i will love them dearly.

Its the early Asian and Europeans vile behaviour that one should really hate.

CTPlayer:


Depending on how you want to slice it slavery existed from 1777 or 1786 to 1865. That isn't 400 years

One second, one minute, one hour, one day, one week, one month, one year, 100 years, 200 years or 400 years it was a great evil, the greatest evil ever perpertuated in the history of humankind.

You are ignorant enough to try and compare colonisation and slavery with misogyny and the vile discrimination of women in the Western world.

Amujale:


One second, one minute, one hour, one day, one week, one month, one year, 100 years, 200 years or 400 years it was a great evil, the greatest evil ever perpertuated in the history of humankind.

thank you, an injury to one is an injury to all.

Amujale:


One second, one minute, one hour, one day, one week, one month, one year, 100 years, 200 years or 400 years it was a great evil, the greatest evil ever perpertuated in the history of humankind.

You are ignorant enough to compare with misogyny

Slavery was global. But how come nobody talks about who captured and sold slaves for centuries. All the Euros had to do was dock their ships and they found willing trading partners. What about the Arabs, what happened to diaspora there? They castrated all males that is what happened. Death rates in the Caribbean and S. America were much higher than N. America.

CTPlayer:


Slavery was global. But how come nobody talks about who captured and sold slaves for centuries. All the Euros had to do was dock their ships and they found willing trading partners. What about the Arabs, what happened to diaspora there? They castrated all males that is what happened. Death rates in the Caribbean and S. America were much higher than N. America.

You are wrong.

The history of slavery isnt the subject being discussed here.

Its the vile behaviour of the ancient Arabs and Eurocentric Crusaders that lost all their sense at the sight of precious metals, and began to fight themselves over limitless treasures.

Its no good hating all Europeans, the actions of the ones that participated in those evil campaign and their supporters are the ones that one should rightfully hate.

When people try to make aware that those people that implemened the Trans Atlantic campaign was evil, someone of your type will come here trying to quote the history of slavery. That is not the point.

The point is what they did was purely evil and was calculated.

Every single country currently listed as European took part in that evil campaign.

The Arabs was the ones that started the whole thing.

Its argued that if the Arabs hadnt carried out those horrific raids under the pretex of their crazy "holy wars', the Eurocentric Crusaders would easily be defeated and would have left empty handed.

Yet, the Eurocentric crudaders fed off the left overs of the Arab Crusaders, despatched them, and took their campaign to another level of evil.

Amujale:


You are wrong.

The history of slavery has nothing to does with the vile behaviour of the ancient Arabs and Eurocentric Crusaders.

When people try to make aware that those people that implemened the Trans Atlantic campaign was evil, someone of your type will come here trying to quote the history of slavery. That is not the point.

The point is what they did was purely evil and was calculated.

Every single country currently listed as European took part in that evil campaign.

No I am right. And historical accuracy is important. No way in hell every European country was involved in the slave trade at that time.
And the country really doesn't matter per se, as slave trading was largely done by private companies. There were instances where a country/government rounded up people and sent them to plantations like the British government did with street urchins and Irish.

CTPlayer:


No I am right. And historical accuracy is important. No way in hell every European country was involved in the slave trade at that time.

You are completely misinformed.

Name one European country that you think didnt take part in that evil campaign and allow me prove how misinformed you really are.

CTPlayer:
There were instances where a country/government rounded up people and sent them to plantations like the British government did with street urchins and Irish.

Again can you cease from bringing the Irish into the debate. Are the Irish African?

What relevance is the history of Australia got to does with the evil perpetuated by Arabs and Europeans in the African continent?

It certainly cannot be used to try and justify their greedy, cazy and evil actions at the time.


Cheers.

CTPlayer:
And the country really doesn't matter per se, as slave trading was largely done by private companies.

Again you view is an altogether warped one.

Who benefitted from those evils?

The private companies that you refer to all operated under the direct orders of their individual rulers, the State.

Ultimately, it was the state that took full responsibility of the campaign and took full advantage of the spoils at the time.

But before the white men came

We still had tribal wars and border issues

The white man just advanced it

Ilamina:
But before the white men came

We still had tribal wars and border issues

The white just made it advances it..

Not really.

They exacebated feuds and created wars and conflicts.

Most of the wars and conflicts that occured in Africa during the late 1500 was as a direct result of Arabian and European intervention. They created conflict through their spies and diplomats, sold them weapons to war against themselves.

Before the early Islamic and Christian crusaders came to Africa, most communities was living in relative peace.

Amujale:


Not really.

They exacebated feuds and created wars and conflicts.

Most of the wars and conflicts that occured in Africa during the late 1500 was as a direct result of Arabian and European intervention. They created conflict through their spies and diplomats, sold them weapons to war against themselves.

Before the early Islamic and Christian crusaders came to Africa, most communities was living in relative peace.

you are absolutely correct, they created disunity and hatred among the African people to ease their horrible missions.

Genocide is evil

Isn't this white man's world, the wicked system and evil too, ?

Is the jamaican guy, very mean ?

Amujale:




You are completely misinformed.

Name one European country that you think didnt take part in that evil campaign and allow me prove how misinformed you really are.

Romania!

morpheus24:


Romania!

Romania haa one of the worst records on slavery in all of Europe.

Romania must rank as one of the worst of European perpetuators, ranked behind Belgium, France, Portugal, Holland and the UK.

Officially, France was said to abolish slavery in 1826, UK in 1833, whilst Romania continued until 1856. America was said to abolish slavery in 1865.

morpheus24:


Romania!

The majority of Euro countries most likely never participated. Not sure how much the names and borders have changed over the
years.

According to history, every single country currently listed as European took part in the evils of Colonisation and Trans Atlantic campaign.

Amujale:
According history, every single country currently listed as European took part in the evils of Colonisation and Trans Atlantic campaign.

Link?

Amujale:


Romania haa one of the worst records on slavery in all of Europe.

Romania must rank as one of the worst of European perpetuators, ranked behind Belgium, France, Germany, Holland and the UK.

Officially, France was said to abolish slavery in 1826, UK in 1833, whilst Romania continued until 1856. America was said to abolish slavery in 1865.

1.Are you talking about "slavery" in general or Slavery pertaining to Africa?

By your logic, almost every society has practiced some form of ownership or servitude of another human being, if so then your point becomes null and void.

morpheus24:


1.Are you talking about "slavery" in general or Slavery pertaining to Africa?

All the European countries took part in the Trans Atlantic campaign. Romania was one of the worst perpertuators.

morpheus24:

By your logic, almost every society has practiced some form of ownership or servitude of another human being...

Eventhough i understand the point you make here, there can be no justification for Colonisation and the Trans Atlantic campaign.

They (the early Europeans) took slavery to a demented level, turning their evil campaign into the worst attrocities in hunan history.

Amujale:


All the European countries took part in the Trans Atlantic campaign. Romania was one of the worst perpertuators.

I need the source for this info please.

Amujale:

Eventhough i understand the point you make here, there can be no justification for Colonisation and the Trans Atlantic campaign.

They (the early Europeans) took slavery to a demented level, turning their evil campaign into the worst attrocities in hunan history.

All slavery pre African colonization or the trans Atlantic campaign would be horrific in the same manner in terms of treatment with the only standing difference between the two being one has these exclusive characteristics as follows:

1. was capitalist driven and therefore motivated by the utmost greed ever recorded in history.

2. was chattel slavery_ owernship of slaves in perpetuity

3. The complete stripping of the identity and humanity of the slaves in every fashion possible.

morpheus24:


I need the source for this info please

[url]http://www.inmotionaame.org/print.cfm;jsessionid=f8301223691563880399191?migration=1&bhcp=1][/url]

Not all European countries had collonies, yet, all of them took part in the campaign in different ways; especially by ways of direct trading. All the European countries invested in the Trans Atlantic campaign in various diferent ways, the Royal families and the wealthiest invested monetarily whilst the poor European citizens invested their workforce during leading up to Colonisation and during the fabled "Middle Passage".

http://discoveringbristol.org.uk/slavery/routes/from-africa-to-america/atlantic-crossing/middle-passage/

There are currently over 40 European countries present today and all of them was involved in Colonisation and the Trans Atlntic slave trade in various ways.

Russia: Although Russia did not participate significantly in the Trans Atlantic campaign, still, they involved themselves in the physical trade from other Europeans aswell as from the Ottoman empire. /url]

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4203665?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Germany: Building on the pioneering work of scholars like Klaus Weber, Eve Rosenhaft, Felix Brahms, and Mischa Honeck, this essay re-charts the various routes of German participation in, profiteering from, the transatlantic slavery and its cultural, political, and intellectual reverberation.

German entanglements in transatlantic slavery: An introduction:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320106864_German_entanglements_in_transatlantic_slavery_An_introduction

Uk: Is recorded as being one of the heaviest participants and one of the countries that benefited from the Trans Atlantic campaign.

France: Is recorded as being one of the heaviest participants and one of the countries that benefited from the Trans Atlantic campaign.

Italy: The Roman Catholic Church played a major role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

http://m.amsterdamnews.com/news/2018/sep/18/major-role-catholic-church-played-slavery/

Spain: Is recorded as being one of the pioneers of the Trans Atlantic campaign.

Ukraine: See the notes on Russia.

Romania: Romania was one of the worst perpertuators, their history is also riddled with vile concepts on slavery.

Netherlands: Dutch involvement in the Atlantic slave trade covers the 17th-19th centuries. Initially the Dutch shipped slaves to northern Brazil, and during the second half of the 17th century they had a controlling interest in the trade to the Spanish colonies.

The History of the Dutch Slave Trade, A Bibliographical Survey.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2116658?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Beligium:

Greece: Had heavy participation both in ancient times and during the Trans Altantic campaign.

Portugal: Is recorded as one of thw pioneers of theTrans Atlantic campaign, the other being Spain.

Sweeden: Sweden made the slave trade illegal in 1813, but allowed slavery until October 9, 1847. Sweedish trading stations reappeared in the 18th century, when Sweden established a colonial presence in the Caribbean.

Sweden, the Slave Trade and Slavery, 1784-1847.
https://www.persee.fr/doc/outre_0300-9513_1975_num_62_226_1827

Switzerland:Switzerland's involvement in the African slave trade runs deeper than the history books suggest. 

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzerland-played-key-role-in-the-slave-trade/3472130

Heres good book to read for further study: -

Colonialism without colonies: examining blank spaces in colonial studies by Barbars Luthi, Francesca Falk & Patricia Purtschert.

Amujale:


[url]http://www.inmotionaame.org/print.cfm;jsessionid=f8301223691563880399191?migration=1&bhcp=1][/url]

Not all European countries had collonies, yet, all of them took part in the campaign in different ways; especially by ways of direct trading. All the European countries invested in the Trans Atlantic campaign in various diferent ways, the Royal families and the wealthiest invested monetarily whilst the poor European citizens invested their workforce during leading up to Colonisation and during the fabled "Middle Passage".

http://discoveringbristol.org.uk/slavery/routes/from-africa-to-america/atlantic-crossing/middle-passage/

There are currently over 40 European countries present today and all of them was involved in Colonisation and the Trans Atlntic slave trade in various ways.

Russia: Although Russia did not participate significantly in the Trans Atlantic campaign, still, they involved themselves in the physical trade from other Europeans aswell as from the Ottoman empire. /url]

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4203665?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Germany: Building on the pioneering work of scholars like Klaus Weber, Eve Rosenhaft, Felix Brahms, and Mischa Honeck, this essay re-charts the various routes of German participation in, profiteering from, the transatlantic slavery and its cultural, political, and intellectual reverberation.

German entanglements in transatlantic slavery: An introduction:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320106864_German_entanglements_in_transatlantic_slavery_An_introduction

Uk: Is recorded as being one of the heaviest participants and one of the countries that benefited from the Trans Atlantic campaign.

France: Is recorded as being one of the heaviest participants and one of the countries that benefited from the Trans Atlantic campaign.

Italy: The Roman Catholic Church played a major role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

http://m.amsterdamnews.com/news/2018/sep/18/major-role-catholic-church-played-slavery/

Spain: Is recorded as being one of the pioneers of the Trans Atlantic campaign.

Ukraine: See the notes on Russia.

Romania: Romania was one of the worst perpertuators, their history is also riddled with vile concepts on slavery.

Netherlands: Dutch involvement in the Atlantic slave trade covers the 17th-19th centuries. Initially the Dutch shipped slaves to northern Brazil, and during the second half of the 17th century they had a controlling interest in the trade to the Spanish colonies.

The History of the Dutch Slave Trade, A Bibliographical Survey.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2116658?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Beligium:

Greece: Had heavy participation both in ancient times and during the Trans Altantic campaign.

Portugal: Is recorded as one of thw pioneers of theTrans Atlantic campaign, the other being Spain.

Sweeden: Sweden made the slave trade illegal in 1813, but allowed slavery until October 9, 1847. Sweedish trading stations reappeared in the 18th century, when Sweden established a colonial presence in the Caribbean.

Sweden, the Slave Trade and Slavery, 1784-1847.
https://www.persee.fr/doc/outre_0300-9513_1975_num_62_226_1827

Switzerland:Switzerland's involvement in the African slave trade runs deeper than the history books suggest. 

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzerland-played-key-role-in-the-slave-trade/3472130

Heres good book to read for further study: -

Colonialism without colonies: examining blank spaces in colonial studies by Barbars Luthi, Francesca Falk & Patricia Purtschert.

Those links are garbage. Most European countries had nothing to do with it. And prior to it Slavery in Africa was normal. And it still is in many ways.

Rossikk:


You wouldn't be saying this if you'd grown up in Louisiana or Mississippi.

Or in Russia, or Latvia...or Poland. Or even Italy.

Being a Nigerian, you don't have experience of the kind of 'white people' you should know about before discussing these sort of issues.

Do you know that in the USA there are 45 million+ African-Americans, and millions of them have very recent family histories in which their relatives were hunted down by hordes of whites, surrounded, poured petrol on and set on fire, as they were being hanged? These public lynchings of blacks was part and parcel of American life for its 400 year existence right up till just under 40 years ago. And that blatant racial discrimination exists till today, structurally, in education, criminal justice, housing, jobs et al.

When you speak to the average African American who was born and raised in Missisippi, or Missouri, or South Carolina, he doesn't tell you

''white people are nice and have swag''.

He has another story to tell you.

One that is far more reality-based, and far less romanticised than your wild-eyed adoration.

Shut up you liar from the pit of hell... This is how y'all go about deceiving people.. That was exactly how I almost turned down coming to America because it was Mississippi..

Go to Hattiesburg, Natchez, Jackson or even here in Ellisville and see a whole lot of Blacks who'd rather prefer staying with Whites b/c of how good they're treated..

USM, MSU and others are filled with Black Immigrants from Africa..

If you can,,, PLEASE STOP LYING!

Amujale:


[url]http://www.inmotionaame.org/print.cfm;jsessionid=f8301223691563880399191?migration=1&bhcp=1][/url]

Not all European countries had collonies, yet, all of them took part in the campaign in different ways; especially by ways of direct trading. All the European countries invested in the Trans Atlantic campaign in various diferent ways, the Royal families and the wealthiest invested monetarily whilst the poor European citizens invested their workforce during leading up to Colonisation and during the fabled "Middle Passage".

http://discoveringbristol.org.uk/slavery/routes/from-africa-to-america/atlantic-crossing/middle-passage/

There are currently over 40 European countries present today and all of them was involved in Colonisation and the Trans Atlntic slave trade in various ways.

Russia: Although Russia did not participate significantly in the Trans Atlantic campaign, still, they involved themselves in the physical trade from other Europeans aswell as from the Ottoman empire. /url]

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4203665?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

Germany: Building on the pioneering work of scholars like Klaus Weber, Eve Rosenhaft, Felix Brahms, and Mischa Honeck, this essay re-charts the various routes of German participation in, profiteering from, the transatlantic slavery and its cultural, political, and intellectual reverberation.

German entanglements in transatlantic slavery: An introduction:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320106864_German_entanglements_in_transatlantic_slavery_An_introduction

Uk: Is recorded as being one of the heaviest participants and one of the countries that benefited from the Trans Atlantic campaign.

France: Is recorded as being one of the heaviest participants and one of the countries that benefited from the Trans Atlantic campaign.

Italy: The Roman Catholic Church played a major role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

http://m.amsterdamnews.com/news/2018/sep/18/major-role-catholic-church-played-slavery/

Spain: Is recorded as being one of the pioneers of the Trans Atlantic campaign.

Ukraine: See the notes on Russia.

Romania: Romania was one of the worst perpertuators, their history is also riddled with vile concepts on slavery.

Netherlands: Dutch involvement in the Atlantic slave trade covers the 17th-19th centuries. Initially the Dutch shipped slaves to northern Brazil, and during the second half of the 17th century they had a controlling interest in the trade to the Spanish colonies.

The History of the Dutch Slave Trade, A Bibliographical Survey.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2116658?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
Beligium:

Greece: Had heavy participation both in ancient times and during the Trans Altantic campaign.

Portugal: Is recorded as one of thw pioneers of theTrans Atlantic campaign, the other being Spain.

Sweeden: Sweden made the slave trade illegal in 1813, but allowed slavery until October 9, 1847. Sweedish trading stations reappeared in the 18th century, when Sweden established a colonial presence in the Caribbean.

Sweden, the Slave Trade and Slavery, 1784-1847.
https://www.persee.fr/doc/outre_0300-9513_1975_num_62_226_1827

Switzerland:Switzerland's involvement in the African slave trade runs deeper than the history books suggest. 

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/switzerland-played-key-role-in-the-slave-trade/3472130

Heres good book to read for further study: -

Colonialism without colonies: examining blank spaces in colonial studies by Barbars Luthi, Francesca Falk & Patricia Purtschert.

You are not that clever. You make a statement about Romania but still provide no direct evidence of the trans atlantic slave trade and that country, instead you mention other countries that were the usual suspects already.

Ilamina:


We used to be in our various kingdoms
No borders

all those kingdoms had definite territories and borders. Even ordinary lands owned by individuals has boundaries talk more of a kingdom.

Rossikk:


The hell they weren't. In this 400 years existed slavery, in which blacks were denied every single right available to Americans, and were killed at will on a daily basis by white slave masters, for the flimsiest of reasons, with no one held to account.

If anything it was far worse for blacks during the 400 period you mentioned. It was a nightmare.




Of course they killed those whites who fought for civil rights for the oppressed blacks. That just shows how vicious they were in their hatred of blacks.



Load of garbage. Stop watching Fox News and read some proper statistics on racial disparities in all sectors of the US nation.

Blacks engaged in slavery long before the white man came to our shores. If slavery is the reason why we should hate every white man in the present times then maybe we should start by hating ourselves first. The white man didn't carry out the genocide in Rwanda either or the genocide in Rwanda either

Ilamina:


People were calling me wild animal
For praising white people in the politics section

Does that make me wild

You shouldn't get worried by every mad dog out there. There are some people whose entire existence is full of hatred and bitterness. If someone calls you a wild animal for praising white people, blast them back if you have the time and energy. If not, ignore the bitter losers and move on. Please I'll like to have a link to that thread let me go and see for myself how stupid the children of men can be

Masama:

You shouldn't get worried by every mad dog out there. There are some people whose entire existence is full of hatred and bitterness. If someone calls you a wild animal for praising white people, blast them back if you have the time and energy. If not, ignore the bitter losers and move on. Please I'll like to have a link to that thread let me go and see for myself how stupid the children of men can be

Opparadise's

https://www.nairaland.com/5068426/why-white-people-developed-cool

Reason One: Because you are illiterate. You derailed from a simple forum rule and are asking okija-ish questions in the political section of this blogosphere.
.
Reason Two: You are a black monkey (and a wild one at that), that's what they call you and that's what you have just become. Now, stop being that black puppet full of disgust.
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Reason Three: You may think this is an insult