Before you become a registered architect, you have to have your masters in architecture. I k now it's not required now but if coren registered engineers would start civil service at level 12, then coren would want to start requesting msc. They are already requesting pgd for hnd holders by 2021.

capitalzero:

I do not think msc is necessary. Professional programme is different from academic one. Nuc/coren can introduce professional master in engineering just as master of public health and msc in public health for heath workers.

briggz09:
Before you become a registered architect, you have to have your masters in architecture. I k now it's not required now but if coren registered engineers would start civil service at level 12, then coren would want to start requesting msc. They are already requesting pgd for hnd holders by 2021.

I know of pgd for hnd. For master it should be professional master not academic master which is currently being offered in universities.

capitalzero:


what is business of doctors with engineers' salary? smh . there are different salary scale for each sector and grade level is different from salary scale. You can be in the same grade level and be earning different salary and allowance.
unemployment and insecurity are major problems facing the country not disparity in salary. it amazes when unproductive workers even talk about salary

I am not a civil servant, a Dr or Engr.....But if youbjave been following the way pressure groups of these associations behave...you will know that when salary structure of any civil servant category is increased....Drs will always raise highbrow

adioolayi:

I am not a civil servant, a Dr or Engr.....But if youbjave been following the way pressure groups of these associations behave...you will know that when salary structure of any civil servant category is increased....Drs will always raise highbrow

Cite an example.

Good news.

DominusPrime:

so just because you want to make medicine seem less desirable you had to lie about coren registered engineers starting at level 12? I don't see the need for the comparison. both are important in their own way. you won't see a medical doctor trying so hard to downgrade engineering. goes to show your level of self esteem as an engineer...

meanwhile to all the idiots who's priority it is to win arguments over who is better btw Ronaldo and Messi I hoped you watched the show and read the comments after. keep arguing while the two great men make money.

and finally to the fools who support one party or the other, whether apc or pdp hope your lives are improving and I hope you are seeing the sacrifices these politicians are making to improve your lot. bunch of idiot.s

If you can't come up with superior constructive criticism to counter my submission with data and fact, must you just talk rubbish? You need analytical mind to understand which you might lack the way you counter argument using PDP and ronaldo analogy means you are too low intelligently to research and come out with superior submission instead of this rubbish. What is the correlation? The reference link for further research (authentic from Nigeria Society of Engineer website and Lagos state recent approval submission were there for you to see for yourself, but you are too emotional and lazy to do meaningful research. Facts are everywhere online for you research and check NSE website to see when federal government did the approval and Lagos state is just following suit, then apply analytical mind to the mathematical analysis I presented in my first post, then, you can come out with constructive critisim to counter if you have any. The submission is not about who is better like your Rinaldo and messi argument, the two professions are great, most brilliants minds from secondary school science classes choose any of the two great professions and the two fields are making global impacts worldwide. So, please, buy sense if you don't have one before you contribute in any intelligent submission next time!

MoxxxxO123:
so what are you insinuating in comparing with a doctor

Are you too lazy to research for yourself? The reference link from Nigeria Society of Engineer website and resent approval by Lagos state with lots of other information online are just there for you to research except you are too lazy. What I presented is just mathimatical analysis for better understanding of one of misunderstood fact..

tmanuelle:
I am with the FCS, with a B.Eng, entry level is GL 08/03. Advancement to GL 09 comes after two years. However if you are coming in with an M.Eng, you will be placed on GL 09. That's still what's obtainable now. What you were referring to in your first paragraph has not been implemented in my ministry. Therefore your assertion that what LASG is doing has been happening in the FCS is not totally correct.

NSE might have achieved that in their struggle since 2018, but you and I know that in Nigeria, it is one thing to have a policy or law..., It's another thing to commence implementation immediately. e. g. Minimum wage, Pension 8%/10% contributions, HND/BSc matter...

Secondly, yes, I have colleagues who are already registered with COREN at GL 09 and 10.

You might be partially right and partially wrong. In the first place, how has your submission confirmed to anyone you are what you think you are? Anybody can pretend to be anything to counter arguement! You were right when you said one is to have law, other thing is for implementation! But is better to have law on your side first before you talk about fighting for right later on. Problem of implementation is not only peculiar to engineering, it happens to other fields including doctors, ASSU, NASU and so on, that is why they go on strike again and again to hold government responsible for the law. You fight government based on law on ground first, if there is no law backing you, you can't even demand for your right in the first place.What I presented is just mathimatical analysis for better understanding of one of misunderstood facts.

escodotman:
Who engineers' strike help? If they strike, then who cares?? RCC and Julius Berger do all the works in Nigeria. Your whole write-up is filled with lies and self-deceit while you were trying so hard to compare engineers' with doctors' pay. Trying to bring a doctor and an engineer to the same level in a public "after some years" like you claim is just funny and a fiction. Ridiculous.

Rubbish submission with unguided emotions!

If you can't come up with superior constructive criticism to counter my submission with data and fact, must you just talk rubbish? You need analytical mind to understand which you might lack the way you counter argument. Where is the lie and deceit you talked about in my first post? The reference link for further research (authentic from Nigeria Society of Engineer website and Lagos state recent approval submission were there for you to see for yourself, but you are too emotional and lazy to do meaningful research. Facts are everywhere online for you to research and check NSE website to see when federal government did the approval and Lagos state is just following suit, then apply analytical mind to the mathematical analysis I presented in my first post, then, you can come out with constructive critisim to counter if you have any. The submission is not about who is better, the two professions are great, no one is superior, you go for what you like, most brilliants minds from secondary school science classes choose any of the two great professions and the two fields are making global impacts worldwide. There is a better way to demand for your right rather than embarking on insessant strike. We are talking about public service state and federal, you are coming up with private engineering firms RCC and Julius berger strikes? Are you just loosing a nut in your brain or you've lost it for so long? So, please, buy sense if you don't have one before you contribute in any intelligent submission next time! Engineering profession is great and they are doing great worldwide bringing out world of innovations to your doorsteps, that is why you can see them as profession with most leading billionaires worldwide. Google first '1000' richest men in the world and look at individual profile or similar research before you come out with another silly counter

clemzo101:
Entry level for COREN holders is not level 12 please. Stop it

Is that how to counter intelligent submission? No fact, no data to back up your submission and you are telling me to stop it. Stop what? I presented fact with reference link from NSE website: https://nse.org.ng/news-events/recent-news/entry-point-for-engineers and that recent Lagos State approval is just to follow federal government suit, but you are telling me to stop it. Did I create it in the first place before you talked about stopping it? People like you proved Buhari and Wole Soyinka right at last, you are too lazy and fast to type rubbish to comment as they claimed

sreamsense:


Rubbish submission with unguided emotions!

If you can't come up with superior constructive criticism to counter my submission with data and fact, must you just talk rubbish? You need analytical mind to understand which you might lack the way you counter argument. Where is the lie and deceit you talked about in my first post? The reference link for further research (authentic from Nigeria Society of Engineer website and Lagos state recent approval submission were there for you to see for yourself, but you are too emotional and lazy to do meaningful research. Facts are everywhere online for you to research and check NSE website to see when federal government did the approval and Lagos state is just following suit, then apply analytical mind to the mathematical analysis I presented in my first post, then, you can come out with constructive critisim to counter if you have any. The submission is not about who is better, the two professions are great, no one is superior, you go for what you like, most brilliants minds from secondary school science classes choose any of the two great professions and the two fields are making global impacts worldwide. There is a better way to demand for your right rather than embarking on insessant strike. We are talking about public service state and federal, you are coming up with private engineering firms RCC and Julius berger strikes? Are you just loosing a nut in your brain or you've lost it for so long? So, please, buy sense if you don't have one before you contribute in any intelligent submission next time! Engineering profession is great and they are doing great worldwide bringing out world of innovations to your doorsteps, that is why you can see them as profession with most leading billionaires worldwide. Google first '1000' richest men in the world and look at individual profile or similar research before you come out with another silly counter

All I see in this trash you typed here is an emotion-laden bitterness from a thug/tout. Again, who cares if engineers go on strike? That is if they can even afford to do that or that has ever happened before. Your trying so hard to juxtapose doctors and engineers by calculating the number of years this and that spent before housejob was very unnecessary, ill-advised, rubbish and at best, an inferiority complex. What about doctors who finished from school and get housejob and also jobs thereafter without any delay? You based your rubbish statement on the doctors who finished school and took a while before getting a job, why don't you ask yourself what is their percentage? Majority of engineering graduates in Nigeria don't even eventually practice the engineering they studied in school but go into teaching or other menial jobs to survive. You mentioned google, "all over the world" billionaires blah blah, you just typed senselessly all through. I can see here how you attacked everybody who had a different opinion to yours like a dog with a rabies and a directionless crazy goat. Go and learn how to respond to people's opinion without sounding like someone who just took a psychoactive drug. Even a doctor and an engineer on the same level does not mean they are earning the same pay, the doctor's other allowances alone may be more than half of their basic salary, so they won't earn the same pay. Shed your inferiority complex and stop comparing yourself to other professions because no one asked you.

escodotman:
All I see in this trash you typed here is an emotion-laden bitterness from a thug/tout. Again, who cares if engineers go on strike? That is if they can even afford to do that or that has ever happened before. Your trying so hard to juxtapose doctors and engineers by calculating the number of years this and that spent before housejob was very unnecessary, ill-advised, rubbish and at best, an inferiority complex. What about doctors who finished from school and get housejob and also jobs thereafter without any delay? You based your rubbish statement on the doctors who finished school and took a while before getting a job, why don't you ask yourself what is their percentage? Majority of engineering graduates in Nigeria don't even eventually practice the engineering they studied in school but go into teaching or other menial jobs to survive. You mentioned google, "all over the world" billionaires blah blah, you just typed senselessly all through. I can see here how you attacked everybody who had a different opinion to yours like a dog with a rabies and a directionless crazy goat. Go and learn how to respond to people's opinion without sounding like someone who just took a psychoactive drug. Even a doctor and an engineer on the same level does not mean they are earning the same pay, the doctor's other allowances alone may be more than half of their basic salary, so they won't earn the same pay. Shed your inferiority complex and stop comparing yourself to other professions because no one asked you.

You are too narrow minded and dull to understand simple arithmetic! If you don't have any intelligent contribution to make on thread, must you spam a thread with your unintelligent argument? I have said in my previous post while I contributed to the post through that analysis, but seems you are too dull to pick common sense out of the post. You made silly contribution out of its context without reading reference links I used to buttress my point. You are 'first-to-comment' rubbish, you are one of the lazy youths Prof Wole Soyinka and Buhari were referring to. I told you in previous post, I wasn't comparing engineers with doctors in the silly way you are looking at it until you started it yourself. The two are brilliant minds from secondary school science classes, you go for what you have passion for in life, no one is superior to another! But your dirty and inferiority minds won't all you to see it that way. What is there to jealous about, I can't see? Is it in wealth creation or intelligent IQ level of the two professions, I can't understand based on your assumption? Ask Google about : 20 richest medical doctors and 20 richest engineers in the world and compare their networth to know if there is anything to jealous about or read the links below because you seem too lazy to research, but just quick to say rubbish. Is only lazy and skilless engineers you will see in those places you mentioned, by the virtue of being an engineer, you are a job creator by default if he/she possesses relevant skill, that is why you can see them breaking billionaire records worldwide. The problem in Nigeria is lack of functional and well equipeped engineering institutions. No engineer brimming with innovative idea after university graduation will like to settle with salary jobs for years, that is why you can see many of them excelling individually more than others. Engineers are rugged, world can't change them, but they can change the world.. Engineers don't have big books in hands, but have revolutionary idea in mind. And if your comparison is based on level of IQ, smartness, intelligence, mr Google is your friend, just Google it yourself or you think Advanced Engineering Mathematics and logic training can be compare to human anatomy? Engineers are superior and smatter because anatomy of human system don't get upgraded every year or decade, but engineering technology gets upgraded day-by-day. The info below are for your dull mind because you are too lazy to read but fast to comment rubbish:

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/the-worlds-wealthiest-people-study-engineering/news-story/7f12d54590b4f207092ba2279f93bba6

https://wonderfulengineering.com/10-engineers-who-are-self-made-billionaires/

https://www.rankred.com/top-10-richest-engineers-in-the-world/

https://moneyinc.com/richest-doctors/

megasoul:


The news is very true and a circular from the office of the Head of Service of the Federation was passed to that effect. It was fiirst initiated by the FG and LASG is only following suit of the HCSF. I can tell u authoritatively cos I was affected.
If u are already employed in d public service under federal govt, and u have not gotten to Level 9 yet, u are entitled to an upgrade. It's ur right. The circular probably got to ur office and it's being hidden by haters. Write to the management and demand for ur right.

I will like to know the set of people who this will affect. Is it those employed from 2016 or from last year?

jeswinner:

I will like to know the set of people who this will affect. Is it those employed from 2016 or from last year?

Before now, grads of engineering with B.Engr is started at level 8, sometimes even Level 7 but now it's starts from Level 9.
According to the circular, if u fall in that category and is still on level 8 as at the time of implementation of the directive of the circular, u should be upgraded to level 9.

megasoul:


Before now, grads of engineering with B.Engr is started at level 8, sometimes even Level 7 but now it's starts from Level 9.
According to the circular, if u fall in that category and is still on level 8 as at the time of implementation of the directive of the circular, u should be upgraded to level 9.

Please is this implementation applicable to hnd holders as regards there entry level.... Thanks