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Your lack of sense is very obvious

Emusan:
Imagine....Jesus Himself was part of ALL THINGS yet the same ALL THINGS are THROUGH Jesus...

Meaning Jesus was THROUGH Himself.....very foolish reasoning.

I know if it was easy for you, you people would have inserted word like "OTHER" just as you did to other verses.

You can see how silly you are, I pointed out to you that ALL things were also said to be THROUGH THE FATHER. Is Jesus the Father ? Tell me what exactly passed through the Father if all things in that context of Jesus is not limited ? (keep in mind we are discussing different person here )

This is to show that you lack scriptural understanding, now you also know that ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH THE Father too...it's so obvious with your satanic doctrine how you people always make The Father and Jesus to at war with each other by dragging power and position when the scripture is so plain about it.


If ALL THINGS ARE THROUGH both the Father and Jesus isn't that an evidence that both are One?

Are ONE what exactly ?

One same person ?

Jesus said ALL THE THINGS the Father has BELONG TO HIM...does this means Jesus belongs to Himself....

Brainwashed JWs everywhere....

Christ belong to God says the Bible.

Why did he belong to him as well ?

Firstly , You are yet to deny humans Will have the same divine nature as God. To which you fail to realize would make them equal to God according to your unsound doctrine.

Don't worry, more issues for you

solite3:
The is group included men, angels, the Son and the father , the holy Spirit is not included so it does not mean the holy Spirit does not know.
You have started your name calling again instead of attacking issues.

You mean Jesus is telling lies or what ?

" ONLY " the Father knows , isn't that clear enough?

ableguy:
Waoo, never thought about it this way.
A God would only beget a God, this is interesting

You are assuming that the word God defines everything, for your information the word God is a generic name of any diety even Satan Is a god, it just like the word humans or cats which encompasses a lot of different kind of people or animals that have similarities.
So stop deluding yourself with that god fantasy.

ableguy:
He will come back to explain to you how the servant will also be the Oga at the same time, I weak for the reasoning of these people on this thread

Lol... true.

solite3:
see confusion.
You said Jesus is not God at the same time saying he is God.
Like begat like.
God cannot give birth to a son that is different from him.
If God is uncreated he will also give birth to an uncreated son. Anything short of this will mean his Son is not a begotten son.

I meant to say Jesus is not God the Father.

If Jesus is like the father who is uncreated why did the father say he beget Jesus?

solite3:
see confusion.
You said Jesus is not God at the same time saying he is God.
Like begat like.
God cannot give birth to a son that is different from him.
If God is uncreated he will also give birth to an uncreated son. Anything short of this will mean his Son is not a begotten son.

Are you hearing yourself.

Is there any sense in what you said God will give BIRTH to UNCREATED God.
God is a God of order and not the author of confusion.
How can something be UNCREATED or has no beginning and yet it was given birth to? guy check yourself first before you respond, the trinity doctrine is having great toil on you.

solite3:
You are confusing youreelf, how can you compare God with man in time.
Jesus is the eternal Son of God that is, from all eternity of God's existence He had a Son while my father born in time so he also gives birth to a son in time but God is not so.
If you say the son has a beginning we can also inferred that the father has a beginning following your logic.

Of cos the son has a beginning not my word but God's word and Jesus's own word.

But you have no evidence of the fraud you are claiming.

You cannot run away from God's own words.

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

ableguy:
Chaii, how did any of these verses show that Jesus considered himself equal to God?

laugh, it's hard to actually believe you are serious:
Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 

ableguy: Abeg no mention me again biko, I know you are coming back to call me names na your way. Thanks

yes i would call you what you are, blinded, confused, etc.

solite3:
I didn't say the servant is greater than the master, You are arguing with yourself.
Jesus took upon himself the place of a servant so he can fulfill his mission

Really

But the word of God says God cannot change that's he cannot change his nature,status, character.
So tell me how God Almighty will now turn to Jesus the son a servant and still remain unchanged.

Malachi 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob
are not consumed.

malvisguy212:
what manner of man is Jesus that He share the Glory with God before the world BEGAN ?

God forgive you . thank you.

You are the one that needs God's help and forgiveness Satan has blinded you with the false trinity doctrine that you cannot even explain.

It is obvious you don't know what glory means.
[ U ] praise and thanks, especially as given to God:
Glory be to God!
He dedicated his poetry to the glory of God.

C1 [ U ] great admiration, honour, and praise that you earn
by doing something successfully:
He revelled in the glory of scoring three goals in the final eight
minutes.
This was her final professional match, and she wanted to end
her career in a blaze of glory.

[ C ] an important achievement that earns someone great
admiration, honour, and praise:
The reunion is an opportunity for the soldiers to remember
their past glories.
–More examples
He basked in his moment of glory, holding the trophy up to
the crowd.
He ascended into Heaven, where He reigns in everlasting
glory.
He knew that to win this battle would bring him true glory.
Despite their early promise, neither of these fine players
achieved true glory.
These athletes push their bodies to the limit for the ultimate
glory of breaking the world record.


Secondly if you read proverbs 8:22 you will understand what Jesus meant by glory he shared with his father before the world began.

blueAgent:
Are you hearing yourself.

Is there any sense in what you said God will give BIRTH to UNCREATED God.
God is a God of order and not the author of confusion.
How can something be UNCREATED or has no beginning and yet it was given birth to? guy check yourself first before you respond, the trinity doctrine is having great toil on you.

TRINITY is their problem!

They've all protested against the Catholic Church, but they failed to realise that all of them aren't different from Catholics!

TRINITY
ETERNAL TORMENT
ALL RIGHTEOUS GOES TO HEAVEN
CHRISTMAS
EASTER
NEW YEAR
REPETITION DURING PRAYERS
RITUAL FASTING
RELIGIOUS TITLES
FORBIDDING alcoholic beverages, stylish dresses, sex, for religious title chiefs, and makeups, jewelries, hairdos, sex, stylish dresses for holy women.

Were all copied from the Catholics!

So if there's anything to say about Trinity, the only group that can show them what Trinity stands for is the Catholic Church {who fabricated it in the first place}!

malvisguy212:
we are not talking about the NATURE of Isaiah, we are talking about the NATURE of God. who made this statement ?

"WHOM SHALL I SEND" (ONE
GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO
FOR US" (three personalities)"

who is talking hear ? Isaiah ? why did the speaker switch from singularity to plural ?

in fact the baptism of Jesus present God the father and the son and the Holy spirit. and the father called Jesus the son.

You twist Bible verses to suit your lies.

It was Isaiah that said SEND ME. and not Jesus as you claimed earlier.
And it was God that asked that question.

When did plurality equate to only 3?
plural
/ˈplʊər(ə)l/
adjective
1. (of a word or form) denoting more than ONE, or (in
languages with dual number) more than two.
2. containing several diverse elements.
noun a plural word or form.

Any thing more than one automatically becomes US it can mean 2,3,4,5,6, or a 1million. in this case God was referring to himself and his son.

[quote author=Maximus69 post=81794409]@bolded

In fact e no go better for the fabricators of TRINITY!

So to avoid boasting Jesus have to LIE about his personality as God's son instead of plainly telling those he called his friends that he is God! John 15:15



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But God cannot lie.

blueAgent:
You twist Bible verses to suit your lies.

It was Isaiah that said SEND ME. and not Jesus as you claimed earlier.
And it was God that asked that question.

When did plurality equate to only 3?
plural
/ˈplʊər(ə)l/
adjective
1. (of a word or form) denoting more than ONE, or (in
languages with dual number) more than two.
2. containing several diverse elements.
noun a plural word or form.

Any thing more than one automatically becomes US it can mean 2,3,4,5,6, or a 1million. in this case God was referring to himself and his son.

Jehovah witness doctrines have block your thinking, I am using the statement said by God in that verse to analyze the nature of God.

This is what the bible teaches:
1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in
nature.
2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one
personality of the Godhead.
3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one
personality of the Godhead.
4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one
personality of the Godhead.
Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three
personalities in one nature.

The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malach 2:10),A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some type of multiplicity was involved. Genesis 1:26-27 states, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.… So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them.”

blueAgent:
You are the one that needs God's help and forgiveness Satan has blinded you with the false trinity doctrine that you cannot even explain.

It is obvious you don't know what glory means.
[ U ] praise and thanks, especially as given to God:
Glory be to God!
He dedicated his poetry to the glory of God.

C1 [ U ] great admiration, honour, and praise that you earn
by doing something successfully:
He revelled in the glory of scoring three goals in the final eight
minutes.
This was her final professional match, and she wanted to end
her career in a blaze of glory.

[ C ] an important achievement that earns someone great
admiration, honour, and praise:
The reunion is an opportunity for the soldiers to remember
their past glories.
–More examples
He basked in his moment of glory, holding the trophy up to
the crowd.
He ascended into Heaven, where He reigns in everlasting
glory.
He knew that to win this battle would bring him true glory.
Despite their early promise, neither of these fine players
achieved true glory.
These athletes push their bodies to the limit for the ultimate
glory of breaking the world record.


Secondly if you read proverbs 8:22 you will understand what Jesus meant by glory he shared with his father before the world began.

you are something els. it is either you are doing this deliberately or something is manipulating you.

malvisguy212:
you are something els. it is either you are doing this deliberately or something is manipulating you.

Is that your response to my question?

malvisguy212:
Jehovah witness doctrines have block your thinking, I am using the statement said by God in that verse to analyze the nature of God.

This is what the bible teaches:
1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in
nature.
2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one
personality of the Godhead.
3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one
personality of the Godhead.
4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one
personality of the Godhead.
Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three
personalities in one nature.

The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malach 2:10),A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some type of multiplicity was involved. Genesis 1:26-27 states, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.… So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them.”

Really? all this your analogy would have made sense if you had a proof e. g a Bible verse but you cannot give one becos their is none to support your fairing tale.

You said one God created us according to malachi 2:10 and yet the are 3gods in 1 according to your trinity doctrine can't you see your confusion?.


Please show me were it is written that Jesus and the holyspirit are persons of the Godhead.

Maximus69:
TRINITY is their problem!

They've all protested against the Catholic Church, but they failed to realise that all of them aren't different from Catholics!

TRINITY
ETERNAL TORMENT
ALL RIGHTEOUS GOES TO HEAVEN
CHRISTMAS
EASTER
NEW YEAR
REPETITION DURING PRAYERS
RITUAL FASTING
RELIGIOUS TITLES
FORBIDDING alcoholic beverages, stylish dresses, sex, for religious title chiefs, and makeups, jewelries, hairdos, sex, stylish dresses for holy women.

Were all copied from the Catholics!

So if there's anything to say about Trinity, the only group that can show them what Trinity stands for is the Catholic Church {who fabricated it in the first place}!

True. The Catholic Church is responsible for this false teaching and doctrines.

malvisguy212:
Jehovah witness doctrines have block your thinking, I am using the statement said by God in that verse to analyze the nature of God.

This is what the bible teaches:
1. the Bible teaches that the Godhead is one in
nature.
2. the Bible teaches that God the Father is one
personality of the Godhead.
3. the Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is one
personality of the Godhead.
4. the Bible teaches that Jesus the Son is one
personality of the Godhead.
Conclusion: Therefore, God is composed of three
personalities in one nature.

The Bible says that “one God” created us (Malach 2:10),A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some type of multiplicity was involved. Genesis 1:26-27 states, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.… So God created man in His own image, in the image of
God He created him; male and female He created them.”

The Bible says Jesus was begotten or came forth from the father this is an established Bible fact.

If trinity is true as they claim then it means God also has a beginning and was also begotten.

Since God is equal and the same person as Jesus , can you see the danger of your trinity doctrine?

solite3:
see confusion.
You said Jesus is not God at the same time saying he is God.
Like begat like.
God cannot give birth to a son that is different from him.
If God is uncreated he will also give birth to an uncreated son. Anything short of this will mean his Son is not a begotten son.

Using your logic it means that God was begotten and brought forth.

Since the Bible say Jesus was begotten and brought forth than the father was also brought forth or begotten, the question now is by who?

blueAgent:
Really? all this your analogy would have made sense if you had a proof e. g a Bible verse but you cannot give one becos their is none to support your fairing tale.

You said one God created us according to malachi 2:10 and yet the are 3gods in 1 according to your trinity doctrine can't you see your confusion?.


Please show me were it is written that Jesus and the holyspirit are persons of the Godhead.

Matthew. 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

NAME, ( One God ) . with 3 personality ( The Godhead) . I could easily say 1×1×1=1 . but no, God is not bound on some mathematical law . but are you saying it is impossible for God to exist in more than 3 dimensional univers ? 3 in one entities cannot exist on earth, but in HEAVEN , it is very LOGICAL. we see the message in Genesis 1;26 Then God said, "Let US make mankind in OUR image, in our likeness...

One God created the univers, but are there not some kind of multiplicity in that vers ? don't be a reprobate mind. pick up the Bible and STUDY to show urself approved unto God..

blueAgent:
I meant to say Jesus is not God the Father.

If Jesus is like the father who is uncreated why did the father say he beget Jesus?

can God be created?

Barristter07:
Firstly , You are yet to deny humans Will have the same divine nature as God. To which you fail to realize would make them equal to God according to your unsound doctrine.

Don't worry, more issues for you


You mean Jesus is telling lies or what ?

" ONLY " the Father knows , isn't that clear enough?

go back and keep reading my post until you comprehend what I put down.

blueAgent:
The Bible says Jesus was begotten or came forth from the father this is an established Bible fact.

If trinity is true as they claim then it means God also has a beginning and was also begotten.

Since God is equal and the same person as Jesus , can you see the danger of your trinity doctrine?

you know the saddest thing about your question ? you ask questions as if English interpreted the Bible, no, Greek and Hebrew interprets scripture.

the Greek word for begotten is monogenes , it's explained the UNIQUE RELATIONSHIP of the father and son . take for example the sacrifice of Abraham and Isaac. Consider when God asked Abraham to
sacrifice his son Isaac as an offering.

God says to Abraham, “Take your son,
your ONLY[monogenes] son Isaac,
whom you love, and go to the land of
Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt
offering on one of the mountains of
which I shall tell you” (Gen. 22:2)

Isaac was the second born of Abraham, but why did God address Isaac as the ,ONLY SON ? If you
understand monogenes as a literal begetting,then God clearly got His facts wrong. However, if you
understand monogenes as a unique, one-of-a-kind relationship, then God can accurately describe Isaac his "only” or “only begotten” son. Isaac was the only son of the covenant.

blueAgent:
Are you hearing yourself.

Is there any sense in what you said God will give BIRTH to UNCREATED God.
God is a God of order and not the author of confusion.
How can something be UNCREATED or has no beginning and yet it was given birth to? guy check yourself first before you respond, the trinity doctrine is having great toil on you.

that confusion is from your reasoning.

You think begotten son means created son.
I want to aamsk you your father that creator?

blueAgent:
Of cos the son has a beginning not my word but God's word and Jesus's own word.

But you have no evidence of the fraud you are claiming.

You cannot run away from God's own words.

Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

bring proverb 8 as usual.
According to proverb 8, the person been referred to is a woman.
Is Jesus a woman?

malvisguy212:
Matthew. 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,
baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and
of the Son and of the Holy Spirit!

In the name of the Father: Explain to an interest person the name, attributes and purpose of God for humans!

In the name of the son: Teach them the role of Jesus in the salvation of sinful mankind and all the necessary things he taught us that will lead us to everlasting life!

In the name of the holy spirit: Teach people how God's holy spirit worked in the past, present and future. So that they don't expect what God's holy spirit did in the past as if such should be repeated always!

If they're not taught all these, then anybody can just form a group tomorrow, pick up one story regarding what the holy spirit did in the past and start teaching his group that that's what God's holy spirit did in the past so it must continue today!
For instance, terrorist groups around the world claiming Muslims do quote the Quran for killing innocent people but noteworthy is a Bible verse they also usually quote! 1Samuel 15:3

Of course God's holy spirit helped Saul to carry out that task, but is God's holy spirit doing the same today? Matthew 26:52

Another was when Moses called down fire to consume rebellious Israelites and Elijah also called down fire from heaven to destroy Israelite soldiers sent to arrest him by King Ahab { 2Kings 1:12} But is the holy spirit still working that same way now? Luke 9:54 compared to Galatians 5:22-23

Sorry Churchgoer, that's the meaning of what our Master, Lord and King said NOT Trinity Sir!

blueAgent:
Is that your response to my question?

I ask you , what manner of man is Jesus that He should share the Glory with God before the world was , and instead of answering , you are explaining the meaning of glory to me. here what the Bible say :
Isaiah 42:8
“I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not
give my glory to anyone else, nor share my
praise with carved idols.

YET concerning Jesus, the Bible say:

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your
presence with the glory I had with you
before the world began.

what manner of man is Jesus that He should share the Glory with God before the world was?

solite3:
bring proverb 8 as usual.
According to proverb 8, the person been referred to is a woman.
Is Jesus a woman?

Trinitarians won't seize to play stand up Nigeria comedy show!

So the first creature that was with God during creation as one BROUGHT UP WITH GOD (was a woman) ! Proverbs 8:30

Definitely SHE must be God's wife or mother (the Catholic's holy Mary)!

blueAgent:
Really

But the word of God says God cannot change that's he cannot change his nature,status, character.
So tell me how God Almighty will now turn to Jesus the son a servant and still remain unchanged.

Malachi 3:6
6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob
are not consumed.

malachi3 :6 is about God character which is due to his nature not status.
He can be a servant but doesnt mean he stop being God.
Jesus didnt stop being Almighty God but he only added to him the form of a man.
As a man he was less than God but as God he was fully God.
Almighty God can limit himself on some certain things it doesnt mean he has stop been God.

He is a verse where God referred to himself as one who serves.
Does this not tell you that Almighty God can fufill the role of a servant although he is not?

Isaiah 43:24 Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money, neither hast thou filled me with the fat of thy sacrifices: but thou hast made me to[/b] serve with thy sins, thou hast wearied me with thine sins.[b]

blueAgent:
Are you hearing yourself.

Is there any sense in what you said God will give BIRTH to UNCREATED God.
God is a God of order and not the author of confusion.
How can something be UNCREATED or has no beginning and yet it was given birth to? guy check yourself first before you respond, the trinity doctrine is having great toil on you.

are you sure you went to Sunday school class? this is like the same question Nicodemus ask Jesus " how can a man be born again ? to enter his mother womb and be born the second time?"

you need to seat down and ask who is Jesus ? the fact that He was given birth to a human mean He is human , and the fact that His origin is unknown mean He is God. He has two NATURE.Fully God and fully human, each nature is distinct to each other, there are things the Godly nature knows but human nature don't know.

if a spirit possessed you, there are things you do that when you ceme back to your humanely nature, you will deny ever doing it. Christ is a man that was possessed by God the son.

malvisguy212:
are you sure you went to Sunday school class? this is like the same question Nicodemus ask Jesus " how can a man be born again ? to enter his mother womb and be born the second time?"

you need to seat down and ask who is Jesus ? the fact that He was given birth to a human mean He is human , and the fact that His origin is unknown mean He is God. He has two NATURE.Fully God and fully human, each nature is distinct to each other, there are things the Godly nature knows but human nature don't know.

if a spirit possessed you, there are things you do that when you ceme back to your humanely nature, you will deny ever doing it. Christ is a man that was possessed by God the son.

So it's God the son that possessed the man from Nazareth, therefore we can still expect the same to happen to someone else.

But wait o! That guy from Nazareth said he came from heaven and after death he was resurrected and his friends saw him returned to heaven!

So where is the person that was possessed after God the son dispossessed his humanely body?

Or should we conclude that the possessed guy became God the son and went to heaven with his possessed body?

Or perhaps our Trinity God the son stole the body of the poor Carpenter from Nazareth and refused to return the stolen body!