I don't want to keep going in circles, but just take me as a singular sample from the tribe.

I don't see myself as Yoruba the same way the Owo people do.
to me, I am Ijaw and I am Yoruba.

I am an Apoi man, and that is the only tribe I rep.

raybaba97:


ours was a different case. the land was just wilderness when we migrated there and owned by nobody.

we cleared it, developed it, and had lived there for more than 10 generations before Nigeria was even conceived.
we've even been winning court cases over it.
it's our land alright.

I'm not saying we are not Yoruba, I'm saying we can only be called Yoruba by location and diffusion of culture.

we're the farthest from the Yoruba's in everything cultural and origin compared to other tribes.

No sir,

Your land was not wilderness when you got there. You migrated into Yorubaland via our closest neighbors who are the Ishekiris.

That is why the Apoi who are the earliest settlement amongst the tiny Ijaw community in Ondo state assimilated the Yoruba culture and started adopting Youruba first names.

Iamgrey5:
Bro not a single Yoruba dialect does not not have variation.

I am tempted to think you are not from Ondo, otherwise you should know this perfectly.

Most people from outside Yorubaland believe the Oyo-Youruba dialect is the only Yoruba dialect that exist.

What unites Yourubas is our cultural heritage i.e ourligious believes, names, societal norms. etc.

I don't wanna keep going in circles.

just take me as a sample of an Ondo ijaw belief, I am Ijaw, and I am Yoruba, but the only tribe I rep anywhere is Apoi.

raybaba97:
I don't want to keep going in circles, but just take me as a singular sample from the tribe.

I don't see myself as Yoruba the same way the Owo people do.
to me, I am Ijaw and I am Yoruba.

I am an Apoi man, and that is the only tribe I rep.

Stop lying!

No one is going in circles.

My sister is married to a man from Owo and I know alot about their culture.

No one from Akoko Ondo, Akure, Ondo, okitipupa and Ilaje would claim they are not Yourubas.

The tiny Ijaw communities in six or seven villages in Ondo state can claim to be Japanese for all we care.

raybaba97:


I don't wanna keep going in circles.

just take me as a sample of an Ondo ijaw belief, I am Ijaw, and I am Yoruba, but the only tribe I rep anywhere is Apoi.

Bro if you like rep Togolese.

But please don't start calling Yoruba clans tribe for dubious reasons

Yorubas still have 95% of the population in Ondo state.

Iamgrey5:
No sir,

Your land was not wilderness when you got there . You migrated into Yorubaland via our closest neighbors who are the Ishekiris.

That is why the Apoi who are the earliest settlement amongst the tiny Ijaw community in Ondo state assimilated the Yoruba culture and started adopting Youruba first names.

Nah.

we originally lived with the ilajes in the Lagos area, I've forgotten the name of the village.

we eventually traced our way back to our current location after a few decades.

it's why our dialect is closest to ilaje dialects.

raybaba97:
Tribal bigots ruined the other thread for us, so I made this one because I wish to educate others on how we Yoruba Ijaws came to be.



Ondo State is unique because we are a lot like the mid-belt region of Nigeria.

There are so many tribes in Ondo state that it is ridiculous, and many believe this is why the ekitis could leave the state so easily.

I'm not here to talk of other tribes though, I'm here to talk about the Ijaw Apois and ijaw arogbo.

these two groups are the indigenous ijaw groups of Ondo state.

l myself am from Gbekebo, and I'm an Ijaw apoi by extraction.

From the way my father described it to me, we migrated from one of the ijaw state to the Lagos coastal areas hundreds of years ago.

During the slave trade era however, a lot of us moved to the Ondo coastal areas to escape capture and to farm.

those farms gradually built-up as more family members moved in and we eventually occupied what is today recognized as Apoi land. This is why we speak a dialect of Yoruba with a mix of our original ijaw dialect.

I hear the Ijaw arogbos however migrated directly from bayelsa to start living with us apois once our community was prospering. which is why they still retain their original dialect from bayelsa.

Keep in mind that this is a guess, but I'll say we make about 7-12% of Ondo state's population.

this is a ridiculous percentage when you consider that there are over 15 recognized tribes in Ondo state alone.

We don't control the state because the Ondo, Ilaje, and owo people wield more influence than us. we are however the fourth most influential group in the region.

the only reason Akeredolu even became governor is because his deputy is an ijaw man. By the normal arrangements, the next governor will come either from us, the akure people, or from the Ikales.

the majority of us see ourselves as just another Yoruba tribe because of how long we've stayed there, but recognize our own uniqueness enough to distinguish ourselves.

To the average Ondo ijaw man, we are both Yoruba and Ijaw.

God bless you

raybaba97:


Nah.

we originally lived with the ilajes in the Lagos area, I've forgotten the name of the village.

we eventually traced our way back to our current location after a few decades.

it's why our dialect is closest to ilaje dialects.

Go and do some scholarly work

Ijaws doesn't have any land or historical links in Lagos.

You only lived in Ife for a while.

You are lying to yourself!

Iamgrey5:
Bro if you like rep Togolese.
But please don't start calling Yoruba clans tribe for dubious reasons
Yorubas still have 95% of the population in Ondo state.

if that is what you think, sure.

Iamgrey5:
Bro if you like rep Togolese.
But please don't start calling Yoruba clans tribe for dubious reasons
Yorubas still have 95% of the population in Ondo state.

if that is what you think, sure.

Iamgrey5:
Bro how can you be 7% to 10% when you only occupy tne the least occupied local government area in Ondo state.

You are not even the only ones in Ese Odo, there are some Ilaje amongst you.

Finally, can you mention the other tribes in Ondo state?


Please also tell me how the Deputy governor Aboola Ajayi is an Ijaw as you alleged

Don't mind that guy, I am from Ondo state an akoko indigene. The question is how can they be the fourth most influential tribe when they are not the most influential tribe in Ondo south senatorial district?

Akoko has the highest number of local government, followed by Ondo town, followed by Akure, then owo.
How can you be 10% of a state where you haven't produce any notable politician throughout its existence.

Ondo is a pure southwestern state any none Yoruba in the state is a settler. I am from Ikare in akoko northeast lga

raybaba97:

if that is what you think, sure.

Not what I think Sir

it is what I know.

Iamgrey5:
Go and do some scholarly work

Ijaws doesn't have any land or historical links in Lagos.

You only lived in Ife for a while.

You are lying to yourself!

my dad only rejoined the rest of my family in ese-odo in 1940, and he left grandfather's behind in Lagos.

But if you feel you're right, sure.

abdulwastecx:


Don't mind that guy, I am from Ondo state an akoko indigene. The question is who can they be the fourth most influential tribe when they are not the most influential tribe in Ondo south senatorial district?

Akoko has the highest number of local government, followed by Ondo town, followed by Akure, then owo.
How can you be 10% of a state where you haven't produce any notable politician throughout its existence.

Ondo is a pure southwestern state any none Yoruba in the state is a settler. I am from Ikare in akoko northeast lga

The guy is likely trolling.

I don't think he has been to Ondo all his life.

abdulwastecx:


Don't mind that guy, I am from Ondo state an akoko indigene. The question is who can they be the fourth most influential tribe when they are not the most influential tribe in Ondo south senatorial district?

Akoko has the highest number of local government, followed by Ondo town, followed by Akure, then owo.
How can you be 10% of a state where you haven't produce any notable politician throughout its existence.

Ondo is a pure southwestern state any none Yoruba in the state is a settler. I am from Ikare in akoko northeast lga

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://dailypost.ng/2019/09/01/ondo-deputy-governor-agboola-ajayi-accused-forgery-perjury/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi4vMG7gMHkAhXQKFAKHYEJCzMQFjABegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw10AakDi5GFG82pUMFokT7k

I'll like to point you here if you feel the deputy governor is from your town.

but if you still think you're right, sure.

raybaba97:


my dad only rejoined the rest of my family in ese-odo in 1940, and he left grandfather's behind in Lagos.

But if you feel you're right, sure.

This lie is breadth taking

Why don't you ask your dad to tell you the land of Ijaws in Lagos?

You are even a terrible lair, the eseodo community have existed since 1800 centuries.

raybaba97:


ours was a different case. the land was just wilderness when we migrated there and owned by nobody.

we cleared it, developed it, and had lived there for more than 10 generations before Nigeria was even conceived.
we've even been winning court cases over it.
it's our land alright.

I'm not saying we are not Yoruba, I'm saying we can only be called Yoruba by location and diffusion of culture.

we're the farthest from the Yoruba's in everything cultural and origin compared to other tribes.

Every land belongs to somebody, no land is wild and you just don't lay claim to an area just because you have been there for 150years. The Ijaws in Ondo state are none Yorubas that are immigrant, I don't have any problem with them if they assimilate into the general Yoruba family but claiming otherwise will not be tolerated by us the true son of the soil lol.

Iamgrey5:
Go and do some scholarly work

Ijaws doesn't have any land or historical links in Lagos.

You only lived in Ife for a while.

You are lying to yourself!

That is not true who were the original inhabitants of takwa bay takwa is an ijaw word

Babanah:


That is not true who were the original inhabitants of takwa bay takwa is an ijaw word

Show me the evidence bruv !

Lies won't get us anywhere.

raybaba97:


https://www.google.com/url?q=https://dailypost.ng/2019/09/01/ondo-deputy-governor-agboola-ajayi-accused-forgery-perjury/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi4vMG7gMHkAhXQKFAKHYEJCzMQFjABegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw10AakDi5GFG82pUMFokT7k

I'll like to point you here if you feel the deputy governor is from your town.

but if you still think you're right, sure.

Your link is not loading.

Stop spreading the type of lie you can't substantiate.

You are lying recklessly.

When you advertise a new Yam Festival in Yoruba Land, we say you are looking for Associates and Accomplices in Business.

The Ibos are like that. They're Xenophobic in Nature.. It is a Subterfuge.

raybaba97:


That is not quite right, I happen to be from the state.

While we can and do claim to be Yoruba, we're more of a grey area.

Ondo and Ekiti are the two southwest states that have more than 40% non-oduduwa groups.

I have sometimes told people not to call Mr Yoruba when I feel like laying claim to either my ijaw or my unique Apoi heritage.

Ekiti and Ondo's state have 40% none oduduwa group?
What are you smoking bro?

Ekiti has close to zero none Yoruba group while Ondo has some Ijaw immigrants along its shore, I will be surprised if all none Yorubas in these two states is up to 5%

abdulwastecx:


Ekiti and Ondo's state have 40% none oduduwa group?
What are you smoking bro?

Ekiti has close to zero none Yoruba group while Ondo has some Ijaw immigrants along its shore, I will be surprised if all none Yorubas in these two states is up to 5%

I wonder who are the 40% none yorubas in Ekiti or Ondo

He said Akoko Ondo are non Yorubas abi raybaba ABI na raylielie

Iamgrey5:
Your link is not loading.

Stop spreading the type of lie you can't substantiate.

You are lying recklessly.

i feel you're deliberately obtuse
https://dailypost.ng/2019/09/01/ondo-deputy-governor-agboola-ajayi-accused-forgery-perjury/

raybaba97:



i feel you're deliberately obtuse
https://dailypost.ng/2019/09/01/ondo-deputy-governor-agboola-ajayi-accused-forgery-perjury/

Where is it stated in the report that he is Ijaw ?

I only saw where it was stated he once served as a LGA head in Ese Odo

Ilaje people also have lands in Ese Odo

Iamgrey5:
I wonder we are the 40% none yorubas in Ekiti or Ondo

He said Akoko Ondo are non Yorubas abi raybaba ABI na raylielie

Have you heard akoko dialects before?

if you have, I want you to tell me if you can understand a lick of what they're saying.

honestly.

Iamgrey5:
Where is it stated in the report that he is Ijaw ?

I only saw where it was stated he once served as a LGA head in Ese Odo

Ilaje people also have lands in Ese Odo

where is the ilaje land there, just name one since you know the place so well.

raybaba97:


Have you heard akoko dialects before?

if you have, I want you to tell me if you can understand a lick of what they're saying.

honestly.

My roommate in university is from Akoko Ondo, So I have more than hear them and interacted with them. Mr Mogaji Kehide

Infact it's only one I can understand in Ondo without much interpretation.

You can continue lie if you want

raybaba97:


where is the ilaje land there, just name one since you know the place so well.

Relax, I know you are an imposter.

We have Ilaje / Ese Odo LGA before 1996 as a single local government in Ondo state.

It was only sperated after many years of being a single local government in Ondo state.

You cannot tell me there's no Ilaje in Ese Odo LGA.

And most Apoi always have an Ijaw sounding surname. I don't believe Ajayi is one.

Raylielie what other lie have you got ?

Iamgrey5:
Relax, I know you are an imposter.

We have Ilaje / Ese Odo LGA before 1996 as a single local government in Ondo state.

It was only sperated after many years of being a single local government in Ondo state.

You cannot tell me there's no Ilaje in Ese Odo LGA.

And most Apoi always have an Ijaw sounding surname. I don't believe Ajayi is one.

since you're so confident you know more about my lg than me, tell me just one ilaje town in the local government and watch me burst your bubble

I have so many words I want to use to describe you that It's ridiculous.

the same agbo I used to go to his place in kiribo every time I go home is the one you're arguing with me about.

I'm done exchanging words with you b4 I say something I'll regret.