Ashura festival sees children left covered in blood as devout Muslims use knives to slice their heads open

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INCREDIBLE images show devout Muslims using knives to cut open their heads during a traditional show of faith.


Every year, thousands of Shia worshippers take part in the ceremonies, performed to mourn the death of Husayn ibn Ali, a grandson of the Prophet Mohammed.


Worshippers in Afghanistan mark the day of Ashura, the tenth day of the first month in the Islamic calendar, by drawing blood with scourges


The day commemorates the death of Husayn ibn Ali, the grandson of the prophet Muhammad

The annual event is controversial for involving self harm, forbidden in Islam, and sometimes involving children

The commemorations take place on Ashura, the tenth day of the first month of the Islamic calendar.

They mark Husayn’s death at the Battle of Karbala, fought between Husayn and Yazid I on October 10 680AD to determine who should succeed the prophet as the leader of Islam.

Yazid is considered a tyrant by some Muslims, and Husayn’s death is considered by the Shia community to be a symbol of humanity’s struggle against injustice, tyranny, and oppression.

The anniversary is a national holiday in Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Bahrain, and Pakistan, and typically involves public expressions of mourning.

Some Muslims mark the day with the practice of Tatbir, in which a sword are scourge is used to draw blood in remembrance of the innocent blood of Husayn.

Many who take part in the practice believe it cleanses them of their sins.

A popular saying among Shia Muslims has it that “a single tear shed for Husayn washes away a hundred sins”.

The ritual, which is sometimes carried out on children, is controversial within the Muslim world, with some research suggesting it can cause lasting psychological damage.

Many clerics also consider it to be self harm, which is “haram” – forbidden – in Islam.

Others worry that the practice creates a negative image of their faith.

Worshippers are instead encouraged to donate blood, with some communities organising donation drives with organisations like the Red Cross.

Other rituals carried on Ashura include mourning processions, recitations of mournful poetry, and services in which the history of the Battle of Karbala is retold.

In some countries, notably Iran and Iraq, plays are also performed reenacting the battle.

In others, it is customary for mosques to provide free meals to all people during the remembrance.


A Shiite Muslim in Lebanon cuts his head with a sword as part of the Ashura commemorations



An Iraqi man cries as the events of the death of Husayn is reenacted



A man in Iraq prepares to take part in the bloodletting

A man in Bahrain in the process of bloodletting[/I]


[i]A man in New Delhi begins to beat himself


Volunteers in Pakistan take a mourner for treatment after he has self-flagellated


SOURCE: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9898973/ashura-festival-blood-devout-muslims-knives-heads/amp#


I won't be able to continue because the thread has been moved to Islam section and I cannot make a false declaration

Is this for real?

Why not shed the blood of an animal?

Religion

Opium of the masses

That is, if you take it to extreme

I believe there is God, in as much as I sleep and dream

I believe there is God, in as much as I breathe

I believe there is God, in as much as sperm cell fuse with egg and form new life.

But I always find it hard to believe all the fables our religion instructors read to us. It doesn't add up

There is nothing devout about these clowns. This is a misguided practice and has no basis.

Their scholars have warned them about this nonesense before. Those countries simply need to sign strong legislation to criminalize this idiocy

Empiree:
There is nothing devout about these clowns. This is a misguided practice and has basis.

Their scholars have warned them about this nonesense before. Those countries simply need to sign strong legislation to criminalize this idiocy

They will continue to do it in remembrance of the atrocity the house of Abu Bakr committed against the house of your prophet. The house of Abu Bakr, and most of the so-called sahabas, killed and destroyed the legacy your prophet built, killed his household, and you want them to forget and move on. Ashura is here to stay until the sunnis apologize to the shia for their crime against humanity.

true2god:
They will continue to do it in remembrance of the atrocity the house of Abu Bakr committed against the house of your prophet. The house of Abu Bakr, and most of the so-called sahabas, killed and destroyed the legacy your prophet built, killed his household, and you want them to forget and move on. Ashura is here to stay until the sunnis apologize to the shia for their crime against humanity.

see this clown trying to create discords where there is none. I can see through your antics but guess what?. In Ghanaian accent "it is not gonna werk"

Empiree:
see this clown trying to create discords where there is none. I can see through your antics but guess what?. In Ghanaian accent "it is not gonna werk"

The discorded had already been created, for over 1300 years, by your fellow Arab-muslims. I am only reinforcing the position they created.

true2god:
The discorded had already been created, for over 1300 years, by your fellow Arab-muslims. I am only reinforcing the position they created.

what's your business with Islam history?.

What's your business with trying to link Tatbir with islamic culture?

Tatbir is not mourning but barbaric idiotic act in the name of mourning. Islam has absolutely nothing to do with it.

And finally, this is centuries old discords. We do not need any external bodies to tell us how to run our show. There have been improvement within the house of Islam in recent years. Instead of sticking your nose in our affairs, how about you worry about African Christians in South Africa whose lives are in danger at the hands of local Christians?

Empiree:
what's your business with Islam history?.

What's your business with trying to link Tatbir with islamic culture?

Tatbir is not mourning but barbaric idiotic act in the name of mourning. Islam had absolutely nothing to do with that.

And finally, this is centuries old discords. We do not need any external body to tell is how to run our shows. There have been improvement within the house of Islam in recent years. Instead of sticking your nose in our affairs, how about you worry about African Christians in South Africa whose lives are in danger at the hands of local Christians?

Sorry bro, who are the 'we' here? You will sound ridiculous and strange to an Arab Muslim for a Nigerian Muslim interfering in their internal affairs. Whats your business with arab fighting each other on who will be the leader of their religion? Your statement 'We do not need any external body' makes it look as if you are part of the equation in their internal struggles for supremacy. The arabs appreciate your accepting and promoting their religion but will find it strange for a blackman saying 'We do not need any external body'. You are an external body on this matter bro, just as I am.

true2god:
Sorry bro, who are the 'we' here? You will sound ridiculous and strange to an Arab Muslim for a Nigerian Muslim interfering in their internal affairs. Whats your business with arab fighting each other on who will be the leader of their religion? Your statement 'We do not need any external body' makes it look as if you are part of the equation in their internal struggles for supremacy. The arabs appreciate your accepting and promoting their religion but will find it strange for a blackman saying 'We do not need any external body'. You are an external body on this matter bro, just as I am.

Again, your antics will not work. This situation has to do with islamic history, therefore, it is We The Muslims even though it has political undertones. If a conflict has to do with Arabs only I can distinguish that from islam but you can't. So the issue to Imam Hussain Martyrdom has to do with Islam and Islamic history not just arabs.

So go and siddon

This is truly graphic and unislamic.

‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, issued a decree, “Do not cause harm or return harm.”

Source: Sunan Ibn Mājah 2340

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

We ask Allah to increase the blessings of the Prophet, his wives, family, companions and all those who follow his guidance ila yaom al deen.

Empiree:
Again, your antics will not work. This situation has to do with islamic history, therefore, it is We The Muslims even though it has political undertones. If a conflict has to do with Arabs only I can distinguish that from islam but you can't. So the issue to Imam Hussain Martyrdom has to do with Islam and Islamic history not just arabs.

So go and siddon

The battle of karballa is not a world war but an Islamic civil war between the household of mohammed and the household (including allies) of Abu Bakr. This game of throne has nothing to do with Yoruba or Nigeria muslims; it is the arab's internal affairs and I wonder when we blacks will get this fact. When do you think an Arab man will care about whats happening between various various tribes in Nigeria, either ideologically (like Islam) or politically. They (the arabs) do not care about you, why are you guys crying more than the bereaved? The way some ignorant christians will bother themselves on whats happening between the Jews and the Arabs. It is their problems to sort out. Your 'we' statement, I swear, is ridiculous to an arab man, they don't care about your Islam bro.

Stop thinking like a 'Bilal'.

TATBIR AND ZANJEER IS HARAM - FORBIDDEN

Surah Al-Hujraat, Verse 6:

O you who believe! if an evil-doer comes to you with a report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you have done."


# For a fact, tatbir (body flagellation) is Haram according to the Fatawa of all Shia leading scholars (dead or alive). For example,  here's the fatwa of Ayatullah Ali Khameini:


{ Q. Is hitting oneself with swords ḥalāl if it is done in secret? Or is your fatwā in this regard universal?

A: In addition to the fact that it is not held in the common view as manifestations of mourning and grief and it has no precedent at the lifetime of the Imams (a.s.) and even after that and we have not received any tradition quoted from the Infallibles (a.s.) about any support for this act, be it privately or publicly, this practice would, at the present time, give others a bad image of our school of thought. Therefore, there is no way that it can be considered permissibe }
https://www.leader.ir/en/content/21984/Performing-tat%CC%A3b%C4%ABr-(qamazan%C4%AB)-secretly


# A website is dedicated to educate people on the history and Shia scholar's fatawa on tatbir declaring it HARAM (FORBIDDEN): http://tatbir.org/

Furthermore, 41 Shia Fatawa from various Shi'a scholars were put together in the same website: http://tatbir.org/?page_id=98

Shia mainstream knew tatbir to be haram and refrain from it, leaving only the deviants who called themselves Shia. However, those who chose to cause fitnat will stoop so low hiding popular and majority view on tatbir but display extremist view and practices to misguide and poison people's mind just as western media do on Islam and Muslims.


# The fact that tatbir is haram, this is the reason some Shia Ulama advice to donate blood at the hospitals for those in need of it, rather than participating in the barbaric practice of tatbir and zanjeer where blood is wasted.


LAST SHOT

99% of the world terrorists from Boko haram to ISIS and al-Qaeda with their heinous crimes against humanity, ALL of them with no exception profess Ahlu Sunnah, Sunni form of Islam. And today, the western world media have "succeeded" in synchronizing Sunnism or Ahlu Sunnah to terrorism because of these extremists and bad egg. Is such generalization accepted by Islam?

Quran says:

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 8:

"O you who believe! Be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice, and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably; act equitably, that is nearer to piety, and he careful of (your duty to) Allah; surely Allah is Aware of what you do."


Therefore, why would any rational human being and Muslim who believe in the above noble verse pack all the Shia together and ascribe such greousome and barbaric practice to them all?

true2god:
The battle of karballa is not a world war but an Islamic civil war between the household of mohammed and the household (including allies) of Abu Bakr. This game of throne has nothing to do with Yoruba or Nigeria muslims; it is the arab's internal affairs and I wonder when we blacks will get this fact. When do you think an Arab man will care about whats happening between various various tribes in Nigeria, either ideologically (like Islam) or politically. They (the arabs) do not care about you, why are you guys crying more than the bereaved? The way some ignorant christians will bother themselves on whats happening between the Jews and the Arabs. It is their problems to sort out. Your 'we' statement, I swear, is ridiculous to an arab man, they don't care about your Islam bro.

Stop thinking like a 'Bilal'.

I know it pains you so much because you have lost everything about Christianity so much that you are incredibly obsessed with Islam.

You are saying it is none of youruba Muslims business and then next time you want to speak about Islam you start bringing this issues up in the future. Don't worry, I get your antics. I know you here for far too long.

Empiree:
I know it pains you so much because you have lost everything about Christianity so much that you are incredibly obsessed with Islam.

You are saying it is none of youruba Muslims business and then next time your want to speak about Islam your start bringing this issues up in the future. Don't worry, I get your antics. I know you here for far too long.

I have studied Christianity enough; the next is the sunnah.

true2god:
I have studied Christianity enough; the next is the sunnah.

I knew this. Hahaha see I'm very smart. A white man told me 14yrs ago that I am very smart. you have studied Christianity and you have realized it is nothing but scam That's why you are here to play tricks with us. I have been wondering why you are relatively quiet lately about Christianity. I have long suspected you. Here we go today

Empiree:
I knew this. Hahaha see I'm very smart. A white man told me 14yrs ago that I am very smart. you have studied Christianity and you have realized it is nothing but scam That's why you are here to play tricks with us. I have been wondering why you are relatively quiet lately about Christianity. I have long suspected you. Here we go today

You are very childish telling me that a white man told you are very smart. A smart person does not praise himself; other people do your appraisal.

Back to the issue, I tried as much as I can to broaden my knowledge on certain issues so that I can talk and never be bamboozled. How does Islam make sense than other religion? Is it the promotion of slavery by mohammed or the forceful imposition of Islam on the weak and the defenseless (quran 9:28-30)? You said Islam is not scam, I laugh in Chinese. My next post is to help you highlight the scams in Islam.

Back to the issue, I tried as much as I can to broaden my knowledge on certain issues so that I can talk and never be bamboozled. How does Islam make sense than other religion? Is it the promotion of slavery by mohammed or the forceful imposition of Islam on the weak and the defenseless (quran 9:28-30)? You said Islam is not scam, I laugh in Chinese. My next post is to help you highlight the scams in Islam.

bring it on but let me tell you that you have successfully hijacked and derailed this thread

true2god:
You are very childish telling me that a white man told you are very smart. A smart person does not praise himself; other people do your appraisal.

a white boy rather. My bad. At the end of the day it makes no difference. Anyways for fact that I waited 14 years to tell says a lot. I don't care what anyone thinks.

Empiree:
bring it on but let me tell you that you have successfully hijacked and derailed this thread

Oh I am sorry, I subconsciously followed your sunnah by diverting from the actual discussion.

Empiree:
a white boy rather. My bad. At the end of the day it makes no difference. Anyways for fact that I waited 14 years to tell says a lot. I don't care what anyone thinks.

You are speaking as if you are narrating an hadith without any chain of narration. Who is there to confirm this story and how can a small white boy determine your level of intelligence? If the small boy is a black boy would you have mentioned him to have praised your level of intelligence? I wonder how you speak at times.

The issue I want to reemphasize is that the sunni condemnation of the ashura festival is the admission of guilt and also I saw no reason why the bloody procession has to be practiced outside the Arabian peninsula where the event took place. I understand the barbaric nature of the ashura festival but it is their way of remembering the atrocities of the sahabas against the family of your prophet. It was through the ashura festival that most of us learnt what happened and how Islam split into the sunni and the shia camps.

true2god:
Oh I am sorry, I subconsciously followed your sunnah by diverting from the actual discussion.

You are speaking as if you are narrating an hadith without any chain of narration. Who is there to confirm this story and how can a small white boy determine your level of intelligence? If the small boy is a black boy would you have mentioned him to have praised your level of intelligence? I wonder how you speak at times.

The issue I want to reemphasize is that the sunni condemnation of the ashura festival is the admission of guilt and also I saw no reason why the bloody procession has to be practiced outside the Arabian peninsula where the event took place. I understand the barbaric nature of the ashura festival but it is their way of remembering the atrocities of the sahabas against the family of your prophet. It was through the ashura festival that most of us learnt what happened and how Islam split into the sunni and the shia camps.

Sorry, there is nothing like Ashura festival. There is no dignity cutting oneself up. I see no reason why those countries cannot criminalize that nasty thing. Also, not commemorating Ashura in arabia is not hujjah. For me personally, ashura should be about reflection not get on the streets and cutting up one another. it is silly. Besides, commemoration or fasting ashura is optional, therefore it should be a private matter. Case closed