The cleric and former imam of the Grand Mosque said despite his previous opinion on Shia scholars being apostates, he changed his mind after reading a book.


A prominent Saudi cleric has publically backtracked on his view which considered Shia Muslim scholars non-Muslims, going against a mainstream belief peddled by many clerics in the conservative kingdom.
Adel al-Kalbani, former imam of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, revealed his newly-polished views during an interview with Saudi broadcaster MBC.

The cleric said despite his previous opinion on Shia scholars being 'heretics', he changed his mind after reading a book by a former Shura Council member and a professor of Sharia at Umm al-Qura University, Hatem al-Awni, which discussed the issue of 'heresy'.

Kalbani reportedly intended to publish an article in which he announced his view of Shia scholars but failed to do so after government pressure.

"I no longer declare apostasy on those who believe in one God, eat our [halal] meat and prostrate toward our Qibla [direction of Mecca],” he said.

"This is what I owe God today - no one forced me to say anything and no one spoke to me,” he added.

The remarks comes as Riyadh continues its mission to to adopt a "moderate" state-sanctioned interpretation of Islam, with women recently being granted the right to drive.

In 2017, the kingdom said it would establish an authority to monitor interpretations of the Prophet Mohammed's teachings to prevent them being used to justify violence or terrorism.

Despite the efforts to modernise, senior Wahhabi clerics - who strongly influence the royal family - endorse execution by beheading for offences that include apostasy, adultery and sorcery. They also often describe Shia Muslims as heretics.

While activists online hailed the cleric for his newfound enlightment, many questioned whether it would be enough to fix the damage already caused by years of anti-Shia narrative that has inspired large-scale attacks against the community worldwide.

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/amp/news/2019/3/25/saudi-ex-imam-of-mecca-no-longer-considers-shia-heretics

When sheik (Dr) Yasir Qadhi retracted on the same opinion (that Shia are heretics) years back, he was excommunicated from "salafism" and labeled with a lots of unpleasant title.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLvsQA1oaCg&t=358s

We will see how the salafi world (especially their footsoldiers in Pakistan, Nigeria) will react to their Imam' s decision. All in all, it's a welcome development. Unfortunately many lives had lost as a result of this satanic declaration of wahabi scholars that Shia are heretics.

It's a welcome development judging by the fact this Imam made his initial declaration of Shia being heretic public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1VDPMPFTb8

Nonsense over nonsense. If another imam wakes up today (who probably was in support of Shia before) and say shias are heretics after reading their books, would you take it? When did the position of a single imam became an evidence in Islam. You are yet to bring convincing evidence.

AbdulHakeem44:
Nonsense over nonsense. If another imam wakes up today (who probably was in support of Shia before) and say shias are heretics after reading their books, would you take it? When did the position of a single imam became an evidence in Islam. You are yet to bring convincing evidence.

This actually is your problem. Not ours. It shows the confusion and ignorance among your clerics. Ignorance that leads to extremism like the one you are treading on, even after one of your Saudi role models has recanted his stance.

A Wahhabi/Salafist Sunni imam who was in support of Shia before coming out to say "Shi'a are heretics" has not happened yet. The norm of Wahhabism/Salafism has always been spreading division among Muslims until they see the light and repent. What we have seen are the ones who have flowed in the stream of sectarian extremism, division of Muslims, and inciting and instigating the bloodshed of innocent Muslims (who hold a different interpretation of the faith) seeing "the light" and retracing their steps and declaring that they have been wrong to label (Shia) Muslims - who fast in the holy month of Ramadan, uphold the five daily prayers, read the same Quran, believe in the same Prophet and face the same qiblah - as "heretics".

It is a good development but also sad that this man's fatwa calling a big segment of Muslims "heretics" has contributed to inciting the sectarian bloodshed and attacks on Shia Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere around the world.

Perhaps, you too can pick up a book or two or more and read to dispel your ignorance and be enlightened for the good of the Muslim ummah as a whole.

Rafidi:


This actually is your problem. Not ours. It shows the confusion and ignorance among your clerics. Ignorance that leads to extremism like the one you are treading on, even after one of your Saudi role models has recanted his stance.

A Wahhabi/Salafist Sunni imam who was in support of Shia before coming out to say "Shi'a are heretics" has not happened yet. The norm of Wahhabism/Salafism has always been spreading division among Muslims until they see the light and repent. What we have seen are the ones who have flowed in the stream of sectarian extremism, division of Muslims, and inciting and instigating the bloodshed of innocent Muslims (who hold a different interpretation of the faith) seeing "the light" and retracing their steps and declaring that they have been wrong to label (Shia) Muslims - who fast in the holy month of Ramadan, uphold the five daily prayers, read the same Quran, believe in the same Prophet and face the same qiblah - as "heretics".

It is a good development but also sad that this man's fatwa calling a big segment of Muslims "heretics" has contributed to inciting the sectarian bloodshed and attacks on Shia Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere around the world.

Perhaps, you too can pick up a book or two or more and read to dispel your ignorance and be enlightened for the good of the Muslim ummah as a whole.

Nice one.

Accept whatever satisfy you and reject whatever doesn't.

Shiites are never free from heresies!


Who abuses and curses the wife of the Prophet?

Who abuses and curses the companions?

I have never heard of Christian sect abuse and curse most of the disciple of Jesus Christ.

In conclusion Shiites are largely heretic....

Rashduct4luv:
Accept whatever satisfy you and reject whatever doesn't.

Shiites are never free from heresies!


Who abuses and curses the wife of the Prophet?

Who abuses and curses the companions?

I have never heard of Christian sect abuse and curse most of the disciple of Jesus Christ.

In conclusion Shiites are largely heretic....

Here comes the old salafi insane propaganda from none other than one of their footsoldiers.

So how's "abusing and cursing" FAKE sahabah make Shia Muslims "heretics" when Allah and his prophet "abused and cursed" FAKE sahabahs?

Even your Salafi Imam has rescinded from declaring Shia "heretics", how come you are defiantly stubborn and chose to die with hatred of those who believe in Usul deen?

You better don't get hypertension

AlBaqir:


Here comes the old salafi insane propaganda from none other than one of their footsoldiers.

So how's "abusing and cursing" FAKE sahabah make Shia Muslims "heretics" when Allah and his prophet "abused and cursed" FAKE sahabahs?

Even your Salafi Imam has rescinded from declaring Shia "heretics", how come you are defiantly stubborn and chose to die with hatred of those who believe in Usul deen?

You better don't get hypertension

How you accepting everything the Imam has ever said or only just "his saying Shiites are no more heretics"?

Why seek relevance from the Imam?

Rashduct4luv:


How you accepting everything the Imam has ever said or only just "his saying Shiites are no more heretics"?

Why seek relevance from the Imam?

His statement never change Shia from being Shia likewise his former satanic declaration of Shia as "heretic". His statement is only meant for his salafi fellows like you. This is how we treat your daeef Bukhari and other hadith books too. We quote them for you, not for us. Wake up man

AlBaqir:


His statement never change Shia from being Shia likewise his former satanic declaration of Shia as "heretic". His statement is only meant for his salafi fellows like you. This is how we treat your daeef Bukhari and other hadith books too. We quote them for you, not for us. Wake up man

Stop acting like a fool bro. Your posts stinks as usual. You have nothing to stand on except to Abuse/Curse Aa'isha, the companions of the prophet, Al-Bukhari and other notable Ahl-Sunnah...

You are quoting for us.... This is similar to Christians quoting Qur'an for us.

Well, Lakum deenukum waliyadeen

Rashduct4luv:
AlBaqir
Accept whatever satisfy you and reject whateqver doesn't.q

Shiites are never free from heresies!


Who abuses and curses the wife of the Prophet?

Who abuses and curses the companions?

I have never heard of Christian sect abuse and curse most of the disciple of Jesus Christ.

In conclusion Shiites are largely heretic....

They promote homosexuality in their fiqh, what a shame... Because of the opinion of a few scholars look at how they rejoice, anyone who gives attributes of Allah to anybody else is a disbeliever and they should be prepared for the hell fire.

Hadith:
فإن أصدق الحديث كلام الله، وخير الهدي هدي محمدٍ-صلىٰ الله عليه وسلم- وشرّ الأمور محدثاتها وكلّ محدثة بدعة، وكلّ بدعة ضلالة، وكلّ ضلالة في النّار.

@Al-Baqir come and declare the Hadith a da'ef... We know most of your scholars to be liars, they only use emotion to contol you guys. They behave as if the Salafis support Mu'awiyya R.A. and Yazids. Allah will Judge between us on the day of judgement.

najib632:
They promote homosexuality in their fiqh, what a shame... Because of the opinion of a few scholars look at how they rejoice, anyone who gives attributes of Allah to anybody else is a disbeliever and they should be prepared for the hell fire.

Hadith:
فإن أصدق الحديث كلام الله، وخير الهدي هدي محمدٍ-صلىٰ الله عليه وسلم- وشرّ الأمور محدثاتها وكلّ محدثة بدعة، وكلّ بدعة ضلالة، وكلّ ضلالة في النّار.

@Al-Baqir come and declare the Hadith a da'ef... We know most of your scholars to be liars, they only use emotion to contol you guys. They behave as if the Salafis support Mu'awiyya R.A. and Yazids. Allah will Judge between us on the day of judgement.

Not ttru, do you mean the shia promote homosexuality?

true2god:
Not ttru, do you mean the shia promote homosexuality?

Yes and please don't quote me again. You're not an honest person, I wouldn't like to associate with you.

najib632:
They promote homosexuality in their fiqh, what a shame... Because of the opinion of a few scholars look at how they rejoice, anyone who gives attributes of Allah to anybody else is a disbeliever and they should be prepared for the hell fire.

Hadith:
فإن أصدق الحديث كلام الله، وخير الهدي هدي محمدٍ-صلىٰ الله عليه وسلم- وشرّ الأمور محدثاتها وكلّ محدثة بدعة، وكلّ بدعة ضلالة، وكلّ ضلالة في النّار.

@Al-Baqir come and declare the Hadith a da'ef... We know most of your scholars to be liars, they only use emotion to contol you guys. They behave as if the Salafis support Mu'awiyya R.A. and Yazids. Allah will Judge between us on the day of judgement.

bro, you better slow down from what you're saying. To make it worse, you are falling into same thing the other brother fell into by answering this christian man affirmatively. Be careful before you account. Shia did not promote homosexualism

Empiree:
bro, you better slow down from what you're saying. To make it worse, you are falling into same thing the other brother fell into by answering this christian man affirmatively. Be careful before you account. Shia did not promote homosexualism

Brother I have read publications in which their is some support for it, I am not afraid of a lier, by Allah the truth will always be obvious.

najib632:
Brother I have read publications in which their is some support for it, I am not afraid of a lier, by Allah the truth will always be obvious.

okay. I know what i am talking about. You will surprised by the time albaqir dig up publication that support gay from sunni side . You better be careful. You guys dont know how to confront sectarianism. These are issues that make it to mainstream ideology of the sect. No sect in islam support homosexual. Quran is clear. But some individual muslims regardless of sect do indulge in it but this is different from saying shia support homosexual. This is false.

Empiree:
okay. I know what i am talking about. You will surprised by the time albaqir dig up publication that support gay from sunni side . You better be careful. You guys dont know how to confront sectarianism. These are issues that make it to mainstream ideology of the sect. No sect in islam support homosexual. Quran is clear. But some individual muslims regardless of sect do indulge in it but this is different from saying shia support homosexual. This is false.

Brother It's somewhat a fiqh from them. Alhamdulillah you said the Qur'an is clear, so any Sunni who claims homosexuality is halal is a lier and a faasiq.

Rafidi:


This actually is your problem. Not ours. It shows the confusion and ignorance among your clerics. Ignorance that leads to extremism like the one you are treading on, even after one of your Saudi role models has recanted his stance.

A Wahhabi/Salafist Sunni imam who was in support of Shia before coming out to say "Shi'a are heretics" has not happened yet. The norm of Wahhabism/Salafism has always been spreading division among Muslims until they see the light and repent. What we have seen are the ones who have flowed in the stream of sectarian extremism, division of Muslims, and inciting and instigating the bloodshed of innocent Muslims (who hold a different interpretation of the faith) seeing "the light" and retracing their steps and declaring that they have been wrong to label (Shia) Muslims - who fast in the holy month of Ramadan, uphold the five daily prayers, read the same Quran, believe in the same Prophet and face the same qiblah - as "heretics".

It is a good development but also sad that this man's fatwa calling a big segment of Muslims "heretics" has contributed to inciting the sectarian bloodshed and attacks on Shia Muslims in the Middle East and elsewhere around the world.

Perhaps, you too can pick up a book or two or more and read to dispel your ignorance and be enlightened for the good of the Muslim ummah as a whole.

We declare those from amongst you that claim that fatima A.S. had a mushaf and they exaggerate about Ali R.A and the grand children of the messenger of Allah S.A.W by giving them attributes of Allah as Kuffar, those who curse the Sahaba are extremists. As much as I hate to admit Saudi Arabia is not doing as much as it should for the Muslims. But you and I know it our scholars outclass yours by far...

najib632:
Brother It's somewhat a fiqh from them. Alhamdulillah you said the Qur'an is clear, so any Sunni who claims homosexuality is halal is a lier and a faasiq.

can you quote (post) shia figh that supports homosexual?

Empiree:
bro, you better slow down from what you're saying. To make it worse, you are falling into same thing the other brother fell into by answering this christian man affirmatively. Be careful before you account. Shia did not promote homosexualism

Commot for here with your hypocrisy abeg!!!

najib632:
We declare those from amongst you that claim that fatima A.S. had a mushaf and they exaggerate about Ali R.A and the grand children of the messenger of Allah S.A.W by giving them attributes of Allah as Kuffar, those who curse the Sahaba are extremists. As much as I hate to admit Saudi Arabia is not doing as much as it should for the Muslims. But you and know it our scholars outclass yours by far...

Saudi is a 100 times better than the Matam-Mutah Iran, Saudi isn't perfect and like every country has it's own issues but it's far better than Iran. A country of shirk, a supposed Islamic country were Christianity is fast growing.

Nadheer15:
Commot for here with your hypocrisy abeg!!!

Excuse?. Have i stepped on your toes before to come at me like this?

Nadheer15:
Saudi is a 100 times better than the Matam-Mutah Iran, Saudi isn't perfect and like every country has it's own issues but it's far better than Iran. A country of shirk, a supposed Islamic country were Christianity is fast growing.

Hmmm... that's the problem with bidi'a, always giving loopholes to imaan, but this bin Salman may Allah help him.

Empiree:
can you quote (post) shia figh that supports homosexual?

Prominent scholars from amongst them who say it's makrooh:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171027074905/http://www.english.shirazi.ir/topics/sex
Another scholar:
http://www.alulbayt.com/rulings/11.htm

najib632:
Hmmm... that's the problem with bidi'a, always giving loopholes to imaan, but this bin Salman may Allah help him.

Ibn Salman is a good man, not a scholar. He does some things which are off, but he upholds the shariah and that's what's paramount. He's against the Ikwani, he's against the spread of Shiism in Yemen through the houthis. As Muslims, what we can do is to pray for him and all other Muslim rulers,

So the Saudis have right to valid who true Muslims are and can equally determine who the heretics are?

Nadheer15:
Ibn Salman is a good man, not a scholar. He does some things which are off, but he upholds the shariah and that's what's paramount. He's against the Ikwani, he's against the spread of Shiism in Yemen through the houthis. As Muslims, what we can do is to pray for him and all other Muslim rulers,

Hmmm... May Allah forgive him. But those starving kids, Palestinians and Kashukhji... It's hard for me to totally support him.

najib632:

Prominent scholars from amongst them who say it's makrooh:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171027074905/http://www.english.shirazi.ir/topics/sex
Another scholar:
http://www.alulbayt.com/rulings/11.htm

Bro, we are talking about homosexual but these websites you provide as references didnt say anything about gay/homosexual. See why i told you to be careful?.


Again, where is evidence that shia fiqh supports homosexual?

najib632:
Hmmm... May Allah forgive him. But those starving kids, Palestinians and Kashukhji... It's hard for me to totally support him.

Are you kidding me? Is he responsible for what's going on in Yemen? Do you know how much Saudi gives to the Palestinians? And as for Khashoggi, it's as if you're consuming too much Al Jazeera propaganda, only Al jAzeera pins it on him no one else. It's better you scrutinize where you get your news from.