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Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by dodorima1: 1:51pm On Oct 20, 2019
omenka:
Dodorima1, you see? grin grin

This one na confam juvenile oboté. cheesy
lol ok deal with them

I'm out grin
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nowenuse: 1:53pm On Oct 20, 2019
omenka:
Dodorima1, you see? grin grin

This one na confam juvenile oboté. cheesy
If I am a juvenile, you are a suckling cos I am far better than you who spend all your life on APC/PDP issue and being paid 30k every month for defending a bunch of clueless people.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by omenka(m): 1:54pm On Oct 20, 2019
dodorima1:
lol ok deal with them

I'm out grin
Outside I for just call two small fine boys make dem melesh am small. Very little kid with no manners. cheesy

Outta here too.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Proudlyngwa(m): 2:04pm On Oct 20, 2019
MERCHANDISER:
Apparently,you have not been to Kano
How

Their current governor is a monster when it comes to development.The current Kano can be compared to Lagos.

I give it to GANDUJE
Governance is not all about building structures we also have some things called micro policies which will attract long-term investors to the State
What is his let's say 7 point agenda what is his policy on education agriculture citizen law, transport, how does his style of governance differ from that of kaduna state I repeat what we have our local government chairman on steroids
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by alhassanyusuf29(m): 2:56pm On Oct 20, 2019
Many SK supported him, but that doesn't necessary mean the ethnic Christian majority from SK voted for him, we all know there are significant Muslims in kagarko, kaura, kachia etc these are the people that voted him in SK.. we all know SO has always been PDP till today, so stop trying to portray like SK overwhelmingly voted for him, hence the reason the reason he said they barely gave him 30%, that he can even do without them

They withdrew their votes and he still won, that shows u that they are truly 30%.. I don't see any reason he should appeal to them, u can only do that if ur negotiating on a weak point, El-rufaI is bold and none apologetic, that's what the SK hated about him, he didn't try to sugar coat or be politically correct in his dealings, but above that, he still gave SK their fair share of dealings

There are significant number of Muslims in kachia, so I don't see what's wrong in having an emir that can coordinate and navigate the affairs of hausa/fulani/Muslims in there, Zangon kataf is overwhelmingly kataf/Christian majority, it won't be logically possible to have an emir just like how can't have one in SE, unless ur looking for trouble

Lol. It's pathetic and delusional in trying to portray Markafi begging for peace during the sharia crisis as weakness or cowardless, as a governor and leader of a state, its only rational for him to do that, or did u expect him to come on TV and tell them to continue killing themselves? The last time I checked, KD is still a sharia state and there is nothing SK or anyone else can do about it

Hahaha you said "Christian are half of the population" , that's a blatant lie and the biggest myth you guys feed on to redeem urself from extreme "inferiority complex".. we have 23 LG in KD and Christians are only majority and domicile in 8 lg:

Kajuru
Kaura
Kachia
Kagarko
Zangon kataf
Chikun
Jaba
Jeme'a

Note: these LG are not even overwhelming Christian majority as kagarko and jeme'a have significant number of Muslims, so I wonder where u got ur bogus claim that Christians are half of KD majority

Why is it when middle beltans are talking, they always and only refer to SK not KD in general, that's bcuz Christians are majority only in SK

I brought Gombe state up, but you technically and smartly left out Platue and taraba state which has a significant number of Muslims, without a deputy governor.. is it only wrong when it's not in ur favour?

all these numbers and statistics ur quoting are figment of ur imagination, with no valid point to back it up.. it's more like bear parlour gist

The middle belt will never be with the south, not now not any day!! U seem to think the middle belt starts and ends with benue and Platue, its far from that bro!.we also have kogi, kwarra and Niger, who have always gone the northern way..it's funny whenever the middle belt issues statements, you will only see the likes of Joseph tarka, Jerry gana etc.. I have never heard a Muslim from the middle belt supporting them, are there no Muslims in middle belt? The last time I checked they are the majority in north central

If you think the middle belt will leave with the south, then u are highly mistaken, if there is a referendum, Muslims beign the majority will side with the core north any day, any time

whether pitch ur tend with the south or not, is insignificant and doesn't matter bcuz as minority in ur region, you don't have a say.. I would have been worried if IBB or abdulsalam had said they don't want to be with the north

Steel plant worth $600m is being built in kagarko currently.. Can you share a link or proof how they rejected potato mill??.. Your not talking with an illiterate, you can't make something out of nothing and think ull not be challenged

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2019/05/2-banks-to-fund-steel-plant-with-600m-in-kaduna/amp/

last but not the least, El-rufai doesn't need anyone's suggestion or opinion on what to do or run his state, he is unapologetic and blunt to the core and nobody can do anything about it.. we the majority in KD love and cherish him.. just go Tony is page on Twitter and see how people are signing his praises on a daily basis

Nowenuse:
El rufai no doubt is a visionary leader and is hardworking. This was why many Southern Kaduna people supported him in 2015, believing he will make Kaduna more progressive for everyone.
However, after they started seeing his body language and how bigoted he was, they started withdrawing. Instead of him to appeal to them and make it up to them by showing them kindness. He openly called them an inconsequential minority and told them that they are less than 30% in Kaduna state.

El rufai signed for an emirate to be in Kachia. Is that not madness? He is very lucky he did not try that in Zangon Kataf or Jaba, or else he would have been the one begging for peace later on, just like Makarfi did after the Sharia crisis.
Many Zaria people were against the muslim-muslim ticket, cos they knew how terrible this is in a state where christians are about half of the population. All of them eventually followed up, as is usual with the herd mentality of Hausa-fulanis.

In El-rufai's mind, he must have succeeded, but he doesn't knows he has sown a seed of hatred and division which will germinate very soon.
Even a state like Gombe which the christians are like 40% will never give a muslim deputy, let alone Kaduna.

The same stupid Elrufai brought foreign investors to Kagoro to build a Potato mill, because Kagoro is a part of the Plateau and temperate climate crops grow there just like Plateau state. The indigenes rejected it and told him to take it to Zaria. He cannot because Potatos don't grow in Zaria. Is this not reaping from sowing seeds of hatred? You discriminate and insult a people and you need their lands.
The indigenes themselves know that even if they give their lands for the industry, at the end of the day, everybody working in the industry would be Hausa fulanis cos Elrufai will not disappoint in this aspect.

See, no matter the investmemts Elrufai brings to Kaduna state, it will not take more than a serious crisis to chase all the investors away and everything is back to square 1.

Elrufai's actions and that of the likes of Buhari and other northern extremists have succeded in pushing Northern/Middlebelt minorities against the core-north and keeps on pushing us farther.

My parents and grandparents grew up loving Arewa and believing it to be their identity, but today I spit at the mention of the name Arewa. Igbos are 10x better and an alliance between my people and Igbos and Niger deltans would be far better.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by alhassanyusuf29(m): 3:14pm On Oct 20, 2019
Is it true that dankwambo really achieved a lot for Gombe?
sarrki:
Kwankwaso and dankwambo
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by alhassanyusuf29(m): 3:27pm On Oct 20, 2019
There is nothing like ur people being passive, its not like you have a choice, your the minority even in ur region, so naturally you don't have a say in the scheme of things

It's funny how its only the likes of Joseph tarka, Jerry gana and other Christians giving statements on behalf of middle belt, making look like there are no muslimsbin north central.. is this how you want to agitate for referendum?
Nowenuse:
Our people are naturally a passive people and that is one big problem we have. I wish we were more vociferous and loud like the Igbos, then idíots who misrepresnt us here wouldn't have had the chance.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Kyase(m): 3:40pm On Oct 20, 2019
omenka:
This one is almost blowing his own brains out screaming like someone who lost his gratuity, begging for omenkas attention. Let me give you a little attention before you lost your mind completely.

Here's your attention.

Now, if I am not from Benue but lying that I am, may I die prematurely before nightfall TODAY.

If I am indeed from Benue and you're the one making a false claim I am not, may that fate befall you before nightfall TODAY.

I say AMEN. Can I see you write a simple AMEN, without going on writing another lengthy gibberish?

Just say, AMEN as I have done and move on.
Amen oo
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by sarrki(m): 3:43pm On Oct 20, 2019
alhassanyusuf29:
Is it true that dankwambo really achieved a lot for Gombe?
Gombe is a state that is lucky

Dankwambo did very well

Firsthand and am an eyewitness

Kwankwaso is duper super good
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by alhassanyusuf29(m): 3:49pm On Oct 20, 2019
That is good to hear, I thought it was mere political talk

The present gov. Inuwa is trying too

Ganduje and matawalle are doing great

What about Masari of katsina?

Can young tag quotasystem into this thread? I want to hear his opinion on this topic
sarrki:
Gombe is a state that is lucky

Dankwambo did very well

Firsthand and am an eyewitness

Kwankwaso is duper super good
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Binikingdowm: 3:53pm On Oct 20, 2019
alhassanyusuf29 northern muslims are dying daily so stfu. You people are nuisance and disturbance
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nowenuse: 4:04pm On Oct 20, 2019
alhassanyusuf29:
Many SK supported him, but that doesn't necessary mean the ethnic Christian majority from SK voted for him, we all know there are significant Muslims in kagarko, kaura, kachia etc these are the people that voted him in SK.. we all know SO has always been PDP till today, so stop trying to portray like overwhelmingly voted for him, hence the reason the reason he said they barely gave him 30%, that he can do without them

They withdrew their votes and he still won, that shows u that they are truly 30%.. I don't see any reason he should appeal to them, u can only do that if ur negotiating on a weak point, El-rufaI is bold and none apologetic, that's what the SK hated about him, he didn't try to sugar coat or be politically correct in his dealing, but above that, he still gave SK their fair share of dealings
When you don't know something, don't argue.
I am in Southern Kaduna groups and in 2015 about half of Southern Kaduna christians were supporting Elrufai. Go and find out.

Muslims in the entire Kaduna South senatorial district are not more than 15%, so there is no way they can deliver such huge number of votes without christian support.

You are talking about muslims in Southern Kaduna, Oh! Are there no christians in Northern Kaduna? Are there no indigenous christians all over Kubau, Zaria, Birnin Gwari, Igabi, Makarfi e.t.c?
Lere LGA is in Kaduna north and it is 50/50 or even majority christians.
Show me one LGA in Kaduna south with muslim majority or even 50/50. Rubbish

There are significant number of Muslims in kachia, so I don't see what's wrong in having an emir that can coordinate and navigate the affairs of hausa/fulani/Muslims in there, Zangon kataf is overwhelmingly kataf/Christian majority, it won't be logically possible to have an emir just like how can't have one in SE, unless ur looking for trouble
Kachia has no large muslim population apart from the Hausa fulani settlers in the town. Don't forget that Zangon-Kataf used to have the same muslim settlers in their towns too until they chased all of them away. So, you have no point here.
Your only point is that Adara people failed to chase away the Hausa settlers in their towns when the Katafs & Bajjus were doing theirs, today they are paying for it.

Lol. It's pathetic and delusional in trying to portray Markafi begging for peace during the sharia crisis as weakness or cowardless, as a governor and leader of a state, its only rational for him to do that, or did u expect him to come on TV and tell them to continue killing themselves? The last time I checked, KD is still a sharia state and there is nothing SK or anyone else can do about it
It was weakness, otherwise, why didn't he consult everybody in the state before starting such? He did not expect the kind of retaliation he got. Sharia state my foot. Bauchi christians also protested sharia law in their state but truly because they are a small minority, they were ignored.

Hahaha you said "Christian are half of the population" , that's a blatant lie and the biggest myth you guys feed on to redeem urself from extreme "inferiority complex".. we have 23 LG in KD and Christians are only majority and domicile in:

Kajuru
Kaura
Kachia
Kagarko
Zangon kataf
Chikun
Jaba
Jeme'a

Note: these LG are not even overwhelming Christian majority as kagarko and jeme'a have significant number of Muslims, so I wonder where u got ur bogus claim that Christians are half of KD majority
I can see that out of your stark ignorance, you did not even include Sanga LGA among the christian majority areas. Since when did muslim become the majority there? Or you think Gwantu is now the same thing as the whole Sanga LGA? grin
Also, excluding Kauru too?. So the muslims who are only in Kauru town have now made the entire LGA muslim majority?

Kaduna south LGA is only slightly muslim majority because of the politics that removed christian areas like Sabon Tasha and added them to Chikun LGA.
Why did they do that if not fear? Immediately Katsina people left Kaduna state in 1987, a christian became the chairman of Kaduna LGA (indicating their majority) and they had to divide the LGA and re-arrange everything.

Point of correction before you mislead the public.
Kaduna has 23 LGAs. 10 are majority christian, 11 are majority muslim and 2 (Lere & Kaduna south) are almost 50/50.
Anything other than this is a stupid lie.

Why is it when middle beltans are talking, they always and only refer to SK not KD in general, that's bcuz Christians are majority in only SK
If you were smart, you would have known that Southern Kadunas are considered middlebelters because they are tribal ethnic groups and not Hausa-fulanis. There are Hausa christians all over Zaria, but are they middlebelters? no. Common sense.

I brought Gombe state, but you technically and smartly left out Platue and Arabs which have significant number of Muslims, without a deputy governor.. is it only wrong when it's not in ur favour?
The problem with you people is that you use the population of Hausa settlers in a town and use it to judge the religious percentage of an entire state or LGA where there are dozens and hundreds of other communities.
Foolish people have sat down to conclude that Plateau state has a significant muslim population because of Hausa settlers in Jos grin

Here is a better way to know the religious percentage of a place.
Ask yourself. Among all the ethnic groups that make up Plateau state, how many are predominantly muslim?

This is how I tell muslims that Nasarawa & Adamawa have a christian majority, they argue. And I ask them a simple question.
'Among all the ethnic groups in Adamawa, how many have a muslim majority population?'. They may keep shut or still say that 'Fulanis are the majority in the state and are predominantly muslim', and I ask them to list the LGAs that Fulani communities dominate, they cannot.

I am not the person that just pull statistics from nowhere like an illiterate. I will give you the ethnic and religious breakdown of every council wards, towns, local govt concils and constituencies to prove my point to you! Just like I have shown you that of Kaduna above. And if you still insist on arguing I will disgrace you with facts.

Only an idiot will compare Kaduna where christians have majority in many LGAs and an entire senatorial district, with Plateau state where muslims have majority in only 2 LGAs and Jos where many of them are settlers and not indigenes.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nowenuse: 4:33pm On Oct 20, 2019
alhassanyusuf29:
The middle belt will never be with the south, not now not any day!! U seem to think the middle belt starts and ends with benue and Platue, its far from that bro!.we also have kogi, kwarra and Niger, who have always gone the northern way..it's funny whenever the middle belt issues statements, you will only see the likes of Joseph tarka, Jerry gana etc.. I have never heard a Muslim from the middle belt supporting them, are there no Muslims in middle belt? The last time I checked they are the majority in north central

If you think the middle belt will leave with the south, then u are highly mistaken, if there is a referendum, Muslims beign the majority will side with the core north any day, any time

whether pitch ur tend with the south or not, is insignificant and doesn't matter bcuz as minority in ur region, you don't have a say.. I would have been worried if IBB or abdulsalam had said they don't want to be with the north
Hahaha. When I say my people will unite with the south, do you think I am talking of a middlebelt?
I am only talking of the tribes of (Plateau Gurara Gongola) which includes the ethnic groups of Plateau, Nasarawa, FCT, Southern Kaduna, Eastern Niger and Kebbi south + Taraba, Adamawa, Southern Gombe, Southern Borno and parts of Bauchi south. We know ourselves and combined together we are 30 million people. We now have an umbrella forum which you people will be hearing of soon.

We can work with Benue people if they choose, meanwhile, Nupe (Niger), Ebira (Kogi) and Kwara people can decide to join Yoruba or Hausa if they like smiley

By the time our people and the SE/SS unite under one struggle, we will know who the majority or minority truly is.
Wait for it, it is coming soon.
Hausa fulanis don't know that when you fight everyone, you succeed in uniting your enemies.

Steel plant worth $600m is being built in kagarko currently.. Can you share a link or proof how they rejected potato mill??.. Your not talking with an illiterate, you can't make something out of nothing and think ull not be challenged

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2019/05/2-banks-to-fund-steel-plant-with-600m-in-kaduna/amp/

last but not the least, El-rufai doesn't need anyone's suggestion or opinion on what to do or run his state, he is unapologetic and blunt to the core and nobody can do anything about it.. we the majority in KD love and cherish him.. just go Tony is page on Twitter and see how people are signing his praises on a daily basis
Hitler was once cherished, praised and loved by his people. But go to Germany and mention his name today.
Wise people learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by alhassanyusuf29(m): 5:35pm On Oct 20, 2019
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[quote author=Nowenuse post=83309176]When you don't know something, don't argue.
I am in Southern Kaduna groups and in 2015 about half of Southern Kaduna christians were supporting Elrufai. Go and find out.

Muslims in the entire Kaduna South senatorial district are not more than 15%, so there is no way they can deliver such huge number of votes without christian support.

You are talking about muslims in Southern Kaduna, Oh! Are there no christians in Northern Kaduna? Are there no indigenous christians all over Kubau, Zaria, Birnin Gwari, Igabi, Makarfi e.t.c?
Lere LGA is in Kaduna north and it is 50/50 or even majority christians.
Show me one LGA in Kaduna south with muslim majority or even 50/50. Rubbish


Kachia has no large muslim population apart from the Hausa fulani settlers in the town. Don't forget that Zangon-Kataf used to have the same muslim settlers in their towns too until they chased all of them away. So, you have no point here.
Your only point is that Adara people failed to chase away the Hausa settlers in their towns when the Katafs & Bajjus were doing theirs, today they are paying for it.


It was weakness, otherwise, why didn't he consult everybody in the state before starting such? He did not expect the kind of retaliation he got. Sharia state my foot. Bauchi christians also protested sharia law in their state but truly because they are a small minority, they were ignored.



I can see that out of your stark ignorance, you did not even include Sanga LGA among the christian majority areas. Since when did muslim become the majority there? Or you think Gwantu is now the same thing as the whole Sanga LGA? grin
Also, excluding Kauru too?. So the muslims who are only in Kauru town have now made the entire LGA muslim majority?

Kaduna south LGA is only slightly muslim majority because of the politics that removed christian areas like Sabon Tasha and added them to Chikun LGA.
Why did they do that if not fear? Immediately Katsina people left Kaduna state in 1987, a christian became the chairman of Kaduna LGA (indicating their majority) and they had to divide the LGA and re-arrange everything.

Point of correction before you mislead the public.
Kaduna has 23 LGAs. 10 are majority christian, 11 are majority muslim and 2 (Lere & Kaduna south) are almost 50/50.
Anything other than this is a stupid lie.


If you were smart, you would have known that Southern Kadunas are considered middlebelters because they are tribal ethnic groups and not Hausa-fulanis. There are Hausa christians all over Zaria, but are they middlebelters? no. Common sense.


The problem with you people is that you use the population of Hausa settlers in a town and use it to judge the religious percentage of an entire state or LGA where there are dozens and hundreds of other communities.
Foolish people have sat down to conclude that Plateau state has a significant muslim population because of Hausa settlers in Jos grin

Here is a better way to know the religious percentage of a place.
Ask yourself. Among all the ethnic groups that make up Plateau state, how many are predominantly muslim?

This is how I tell muslims that Nasarawa & Adamawa have a christian majority, they argue. And I ask them a simple question.
'Among all the ethnic groups in Adamawa, how many have a muslim majority population?'. They may keep shut or still say that 'Fulanis are the majority in the state and are predominantly muslim', and I ask them to list the LGAs that Fulani communities dominate, they cannot.

I am not the person that just pull statistics from nowhere like an illiterate. I will give you the ethnic and religious breakdown of every council wards, towns, local govt concils and constituencies to prove my point to you! Just like I have shown you that of Kaduna above. And if you still insist on arguing I will disgrace you with facts.

Only an idiot will compare Kaduna where christians have majority in many LGAs and an entire senatorial district, with Plateau state where muslims have majority in only 2 LGAs and Jos where many of them are settlers and not indigenes.[/quote
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by alhassanyusuf29(m): 5:38pm On Oct 20, 2019
Just bcuz your in kaduna south groups doesn't mean you know any better!! In fact going through your profile, you made a thread deprived from Facebook middle belt page on how "the middle belt have rejected APC/buhari and going to vote for PDP/atiku", it turned out, not that only APC/buhari won middle belt overwhelmingly , but even ur state of Benue significantly voted for Buhari.. that shows you guys are all mouth but no action, the way your people where commenting, one would have thought only Christians are living in MB

I didnt contradict the fact that SK voted for Buhari, but we all know that 60% of the votes came from KN and KC

What perimeter and medium are you using to come up with these your statistics, you can't just keep throwing numbers and percentage without backing it up, everyone can come up with bogus claims, i need concrete evidence..we can't keep going back and forth

We all know 2015 gubernatorial election was highly polarized religiously, using the election as case study, we could see El-rufai had won vividly and clearly in kaduna north and central, that's 14 out 23 LG.. we should note that this is a Muslim vs Muslim election, there is a likelihood that high percentage of Muslims voters voted for PDP(further diminishing the votes of APC) we can see a lot of Muslims voted for their son(ashiru kudan) in kudan LG, deducting more from overall Muslim pooulation.. so it is safe to say we can use the pulse of the election to gauge the percentage of religion in KD, how does it indicate that Christianity is half of the population base on medium I used?

all I see your doing m, is tactically through numbers and statistics to try to confus the audience, by beating around the bush... I use the election as my evidence, now u have to bring urs

You don't need everybody's opinion our consultation, or you need is basic majority.. that's why his the governor, bcuz he had the majority on his side.. did Platue and taraba consult with everyone else before they did what they felt like.. it is very clear ur judgement is selective and subject, you castigate and condone what suits ur agenda

Kaduna state is clearly a sharia state, and there is nothing you can do about it

You said "Immediately Katsina people left Kaduna state in 1987, a christian became the chairman of Kaduna LGA (indicating their majority)" , going with your logic, that means kaduna that has a Muslim as governor and 2 senators, that should imply that its a Muslim majority, just like how made ur claim.. do u know see how u indirectly admitted KD is Muslim majority base on ur own evidence?

There are ample and significant number of hausa/fulani and Muslims in both taraba and Platue..Kanuri, Jakun, Miango, kwalla tribed all have a good number of Muslims in Platue state

Was Ibrahim Mantu not a Senator at a certain point, just like Christains only have 1 senator from a senatorial district in KD, so what's ur point? You keep making claims and contradicting yourself

you keep talking about facts but ur yet to validate you points with facts, ur points are more of a story telling just throwing imagination
Nowenuse:
When you don't know something, don't argue.
I am in Southern Kaduna groups and in 2015 about half of Southern Kaduna christians were supporting Elrufai. Go and find out.

Muslims in the entire Kaduna South senatorial district are not more than 15%, so there is no way they can deliver such huge number of votes without christian support.

You are talking about muslims in Southern Kaduna, Oh! Are there no christians in Northern Kaduna? Are there no indigenous christians all over Kubau, Zaria, Birnin Gwari, Igabi, Makarfi e.t.c?
Lere LGA is in Kaduna north and it is 50/50 or even majority christians.
Show me one LGA in Kaduna south with muslim majority or even 50/50. Rubbish


Kachia has no large muslim population apart from the Hausa fulani settlers in the town. Don't forget that Zangon-Kataf used to have the same muslim settlers in their towns too until they chased all of them away. So, you have no point here.
Your only point is that Adara people failed to chase away the Hausa settlers in their towns when the Katafs & Bajjus were doing theirs, today they are paying for it.


It was weakness, otherwise, why didn't he consult everybody in the state before starting such? He did not expect the kind of retaliation he got. Sharia state my foot. Bauchi christians also protested sharia law in their state but truly because they are a small minority, they were ignored.



I can see that out of your stark ignorance, you did not even include Sanga LGA among the christian majority areas. Since when did muslim become the majority there? Or you think Gwantu is now the same thing as the whole Sanga LGA? grin
Also, excluding Kauru too?. So the muslims who are only in Kauru town have now made the entire LGA muslim majority?

Kaduna south LGA is only slightly muslim majority because of the politics that removed christian areas like Sabon Tasha and added them to Chikun LGA.
Why did they do that if not fear? Immediately Katsina people left Kaduna state in 1987, a christian became the chairman of Kaduna LGA (indicating their majority) and they had to divide the LGA and re-arrange everything.

Point of correction before you mislead the public.
Kaduna has 23 LGAs. 10 are majority christian, 11 are majority muslim and 2 (Lere & Kaduna south) are almost 50/50.
Anything other than this is a stupid lie.


If you were smart, you would have known that Southern Kadunas are considered middlebelters because they are tribal ethnic groups and not Hausa-fulanis. There are Hausa christians all over Zaria, but are they middlebelters? no. Common sense.


The problem with you people is that you use the population of Hausa settlers in a town and use it to judge the religious percentage of an entire state or LGA where there are dozens and hundreds of other communities.
Foolish people have sat down to conclude that Plateau state has a significant muslim population because of Hausa settlers in Jos grin

Here is a better way to know the religious percentage of a place.
Ask yourself. Among all the ethnic groups that make up Plateau state, how many are predominantly muslim?

This is how I tell muslims that Nasarawa & Adamawa have a christian majority, they argue. And I ask them a simple question.
'Among all the ethnic groups in Adamawa, how many have a muslim majority population?'. They may keep shut or still say that 'Fulanis are the majority in the state and are predominantly muslim', and I ask them to list the LGAs that Fulani communities dominate, they cannot.

I am not the person that just pull statistics from nowhere like an illiterate. I will give you the ethnic and religious breakdown of every council wards, towns, local govt concils and constituencies to prove my point to you! Just like I have shown you that of Kaduna above. And if you still insist on arguing I will disgrace you with facts.

Only an idiot will compare Kaduna where christians have majority in many LGAs and an entire senatorial district, with Plateau state where muslims have majority in only 2 LGAs and Jos where many of them are settlers and not indigenes.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by alhassanyusuf29(m): 6:04pm On Oct 20, 2019
Hahaha its clear that ur far from reality, I could tell ur desperately clinging to straws, ur delusional bro.. referendum and independence is done by who wants to surperate and leave not on who wants to join, just like how the likes of south Sudan, USSR, Czechoslovakia, brexit etc

Referendum can only happen base on region and geographical area, e.g. SE/SS/MB/NW/NE/SW.. You can't bring a state from MB and merge it with SE, how do you draw the boundaries and map then?

On this case, your agitation has already been defeated, bcuz if referendum is going to be done by regions, you clearly don't have the numbers, population and influence to outnumber the other MB state, especially when we know it's going to be done by the influence of religion

Since when did nasarawa, eastern Niger, kebbi south etc agitate to leave the north!?!? I didn't know about this within all my stay in north, you most be making all these up

Anyway, even if it's true.. they don't have the clout to succeed
Nowenuse:
Hahaha. When I say my people will unite with the south, do you think I am talking of a middlebelt?
I am only talking of the tribes of (Plateau Gurara Gongola) which includes the ethnic groups of Plateau, Nasarawa, FCT, Southern Kaduna, Eastern Niger and Kebbi south + Taraba, Adamawa, Southern Gombe, Southern Borno and parts of Bauchi south. We know ourselves and combined together we are 30 million people. We now have an umbrella forum which you people will be hearing of soon.

We can work with Benue people if they choose, meanwhile, Nupe (Niger), Ebira (Kogi) and Kwara people can decide to join Yoruba or Hausa if they like smiley

By the time our people and the SE/SS unite under one struggle, we will know who the majority or minority truly is.
Wait for it, it is coming soon.
Hausa fulanis don't know that when you fight everyone, you succeed in uniting your enemies.



Hitler was once cherished, praised and loved by his people. But go to Germany and mention his name today.
Wise people learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nobody: 6:06pm On Oct 20, 2019
Gandollars
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nowenuse: 7:42pm On Oct 20, 2019
alhassanyusuf29:
Just bcuz your in kaduna south groups doesn't mean you know any better!! In fact going through your profile, you made a thread deprived from Facebook middle belt page on how "the middle belt have rejected APC/buhari and going to vote for PDP/atiku", it turned out, not that only APC/buhari won middle belt overwhelmingly , but even ur state of Benue significantly voted for Buhari.. that shows you guys are all mouth but no action, the way your people where commenting, one would have thought only Christians are living in MB
You call 2019 an election? An election were soldiers were used to rig all over?
An election were Buhari got 40% votes in Plateau state? Tell me which people would give Buhari such votes in Plateau in 2019 after all that has happen. Or have the Hausa fulanis in Jos suddenly become 40% of the state? grin
We all knew how useless this election was, but many do not care since it is a fulani vs fulani election.

I didnt contradict the fact that SK voted for Buhari, but we all know that 60% of the votes came from KN and KC
Suit yourself.

What perimeter and medium are you using to come up with these your statistics, you can't just keep throwing numbers and percentage without backing it up, everyone can come up with bogus claims, i need concrete evidence..we can't keep going back and forth
I know the demographics of most middlebelt states because I have been a leader in many regional groups affecting my people.
I travel a lot and learn from everyone I come across. And thank God we are now in an age of internet and social media. If I tell you this tribe is found here and here and are so so percentage christian/muslim, you are free to do your research
E.g If I tell you that Bwatiyes (Bachama, Mbula & Batta) are the 2nd largest ethnic group in Adamawa state and found in 4 LGAs and they are 95% christian. Here is one simple way you can verify this, go and search for the facebook groups of this ethnic groups, check through the profiles of the people you find in this group and you can see from their names alone and name of hometowns to know what religion they are and what towns they are from. Simple

We all know 2015 gubernatorial election was highly polarized religiously, using the election as case study, we could see El-rufai had won vividly and clearly in kaduna north and central, that's 14 out 23 LG.. we should note that this is a Muslim vs Muslim election, there is a likelihood that high percentage of Muslims voters voted for PDP(further diminishing the votes of APC) we can see a lot of Muslims voted for their son(ashiru kudan) in kudan LG, deducting more from overall Muslim pooulation.. so it is safe to say we can use the pulse of the election to gauge the percentage of religion in KD, how does it indicate that Christianity is half of the population base on medium I used?

all I see your doing m, is tactically through numbers and statistics to try to confus the audience, by beating around the bush... I use the election as my evidence, now u have to bring urs
Using politics to judge religious composition is a very very bad way to judge.
Muslims take elections far serious than christians in Nigeria. Go to the south during elections, most people don't come out of their houses. The missionaries who evangelized northern christians taught us that politics is a bad thing. We always say among ourselves that politics is a dirty game for the sinners and many abstain. Many people only started changing their views not too long ago when we saw how muslims play their politics with bigotry. Till now, many have not learnt their lessons and that is why all over the middlebelt, you see muslims who have emerged and are still emerging elected in areas that are predominantly christian. Just like Ibrahim Mantu who you mentioned, was elected a senator of Plateau central, a district with 80% christians. Or do you want to tell me that there are more muslims in Plateau central? I know this area very well. I am an indigene of Plateau state.

You don't need everybody's opinion our consultation, or you need is basic majority.. that's why his the governor, bcuz he had the majority on his side.. did Platue and taraba consult with everyone else before they did what they felt like.. it is very clear ur judgement is selective and subject, you castigate and condone what suits ur agenda
Muslims in Plateau are very small, but in Taraba where they are a significant minority, can you say what Taraba state govt have done against the wishes of it's significant minority?

Kaduna state is clearly a sharia state, and there is nothing you can do about it

You said "Immediately Katsina people left Kaduna state in 1987, a christian became the chairman of Kaduna LGA (indicating their majority)" , going with your logic, that means kaduna that has a Muslim as governor and 2 senators, that should imply that its a Muslim majority, just like how made ur claim.. do u know see how u indirectly admitted KD is Muslim majority base on ur own evidence?
Read what you wrote again, you are making no point.
Ok, here, let me help you. Why were christian dominated areas in old Kaduna LGA removed and added to Chikun LGA when old Kaduna LGA was divided into 2?
I'm sure you cannot answer this.

There are ample and significant number of hausa/fulani and Muslims in both taraba and Platue..Kanuri, Jakun, Miango, kwalla tribed all have a good number of Muslims in Platue state

Was Ibrahim Mantu not a Senator at a certain point, just like Christains only have 1 senator from a senatorial district in KD, so what's ur point? You keep making claims and contradicting yourself

you keep talking about facts but ur yet to validate you points with facts, ur points are more of a story telling just throwing imagination
Hahahaha, you do not anything about Plateau or Taraba state. There are no Kanuri indigenes of Adamawa state, let alone Taraba or Plateau state. Ask questions on what you don't know.

Among the about 50 ethnic groups that make up Plateau, Boghom, Bada/Jhar and Bashar (Yangkam) are the only muslim majority ethnic groups in Plateau state and they are not among the top 10 tribes in the state.
Jukun Kona, Afizere, Pyem (Ibrahim Mantu's tribe) & Kofyar (where Kwalla falls in) are about 30-50% muslim each. All but Jukun Kona are among the top 10 tribes in the state, but not top 5.
This is how you do an ethno-religious demographic breakdown.
Plateau state is 10-15% muslim without the Hausa settlers in Jos.
I can do that of Taraba for you if you ask nicely.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nowenuse: 8:07pm On Oct 20, 2019
alhassanyusuf29:
Hahaha its clear that ur far from reality, I could tell ur desperately clinging to straws, ur delusional bro.. referendum and independence is done by who wants to surperate and leave not on who wants to join, just like how the likes of south Sudan, USSR, Czechoslovakia, brexit etc

Referendum can only happen base on region and geographical area, e.g. SE/SS/MB/NW/NE/SW.. You can't bring a state from MB and merge it with SE, how do you draw the boundaries and map then?

On this case, your agitation has already been defeated, bcuz if referendum is going to be done by regions, you clearly don't have the numbers, population and influence to outnumber the other MB state, especially when we know it's going to be done by the influence of religion

Since when did nasarawa, eastern Niger, kebbi south etc agitate to leave the north!?!? I didn't know about this within all my stay in north, you most be making all these up

Anyway, even if it's true.. they don't have the clout to succeed
Referendum can be based on ethnic groups too!
Geopolitical zones are an artificial creation of yesterday. They are not in our constitution and hold no water.
In 1956, all northern minorities under the middlebelt umbrella requested for a unique independent region from the British before independence. The documents are still there. Mind you, by that time there was nothing like North-central or Northeast. From Borno south down to Zuru (Kebbi south) were considered as middlebelt.

Besides, when did I tell you that my people will vote in a referendum? I said we will allign with the South. How does that translate to a referendum?

All the areas I mentioned for you share boundary with one another and Nasarawa/Taraba share boundary with Benue state which has a massive boundary with SE & SS, so what exactly are you talking about?

You people just sit down to call places you do not know the demographic composition.

Do you think the Eggons, Mada, Migili, Nungu, Gbagyi in Nasarawa state are any different from their neighbours in Plateau or Southern Kaduna? Or you think because many Nasarawa people are muslims?

Let me burst your bubble. There are about 30 indigenous tribes in Nasarawa state and apart from the Hausa-fulani & Kanuri settlers in Nasarawa state, almost every other tribe in the state is predominantly christian or a 50/50.

Eastern Niger is owned by Gbagyis, Koros, Kamukus & Kadaras. All these tribes are also found in Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa & FCT and they are 60% christian. What do you think will seperate them from their brothers & sisters in neighbouring areas?

Kebbi south is dominated by the Lelna (Zuru or Dakarkari) and they are a predominantly christian people. They have always been part of Niger province right from colonial times, but they were wrongly removed and merged with Kebbi. They and the Kambaris & Dukawa of Eastern Niger north also share same cultures and values with the rest of us and will gladly join the rest of us in our struggle.

Very soon, you will know if we have the clout to succeed or not. Just wait for the unity of all these tribes under 1 umbrella.
The core-north only take all these tribes for granted because they are not united under one cause. The moment that comes, it is finished.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nobody: 8:14pm On Oct 20, 2019
Nowenuse:
El rufai no doubt is a visionary leader and is hardworking. This was why many Southern Kaduna people supported him in 2015, believing he will make Kaduna more progressive for everyone.
However, after they started seeing his body language and how bigoted he was, they started withdrawing. Instead of him to appeal to them and make it up to them by showing them kindness. He openly called them an inconsequential minority and told them that they are less than 30% in Kaduna state.

El rufai signed for an emirate to be in Kachia. Is that not madness? He is very lucky he did not try that in Zangon Kataf or Jaba, or else he would have been the one begging for peace later on, just like Makarfi did after the Sharia crisis.
Many Zaria people were against the muslim-muslim ticket, cos they knew how terrible this is in a state where christians are about half of the population. All of them eventually followed up, as is usual with the herd mentality of Hausa-fulanis.

In El-rufai's mind, he must have succeeded, but he doesn't knows he has sown a seed of hatred and division which will germinate very soon.
Even a state like Gombe which the christians are like 40% will never give a muslim deputy, let alone Kaduna.

The same stupid Elrufai brought foreign investors to Kagoro to build a Potato mill, because Kagoro is a part of the Plateau and temperate climate crops grow there just like Plateau state. The indigenes rejected it and told him to take it to Zaria. He cannot because Potatos don't grow in Zaria. Is this not reaping from sowing seeds of hatred? You discriminate and insult a people and you need their lands.
The indigenes themselves know that even if they give their lands for the industry, at the end of the day, everybody working in the industry would be Hausa fulanis cos Elrufai will not disappoint in this aspect.

See, no matter the investmemts Elrufai brings to Kaduna state, it will not take more than a serious crisis to chase all the investors away and everything is back to square 1.

Elrufai's actions and that of the likes of Buhari and other northern extremists have succeded in pushing Northern/Middlebelt minorities against the core-north and keeps on pushing us farther.

My parents and grandparents grew up loving Arewa and believing it to be their identity, but today I spit at the mention of the name Arewa. Igbos are 10x better and an alliance between my people and Igbos and Niger deltans would be far better.
You're burning with hate..you are living a miserable life full of hate & anger. If you don't make peace with yourself it will end painfully for you...you'll die with hate & the world will go on, Kaduna will go on, Elrufai & millions of his supporters & Arewa will go on. Your distress & extreme hate will do nothing to stop the wheel. It's been this way long before you & will continue long after you.. Ask yourself, 'is all this religious & ethnic none sense really worth it? If you are educated and read history: you are not the first, you won't be the last. Millions have come to hate, love or indifferent. Don't take it all personal, it's human nature to create enmity, division & fight bloody war among themselves. It's nevertheless your choice to love or hate, forgive or avenge, spread hatred or make peace. You are so full of hate it may destroy you and you won't be the first nor the last & life will continue like you never even existed.
Fear is the path of the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Elrufai (2023) is the best performing Nigerian governor ever... I hope you will somehow make peace with yourself & Deal with it.. Whether you like it or not this is your reality, it's a fact. There's nothing you can do about it. Hate & hate all you want it won't change a thing, you are only beating yourself to a miserably sorry unfulfilled life. Good luck!

Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nowenuse: 8:24pm On Oct 20, 2019
alhassanyusuf29:
There is nothing like ur people being passive, its not like you have a choice, your the minority even in ur region, so naturally you don't have a say in the scheme of things

It's funny how its only the likes of Joseph tarka, Jerry gana and other Christians giving statements on behalf of middle belt, making look like there are no muslimsbin north central.. is this how you want to agitate for referendum?
Among all the hundreds of ethnic groups in the North-central + Adamawa, Taraba, Southern Kaduna e.t.c. Tell me how many of them are predominantly muslim compared to those that are predominantly christian.

See, in the entire 19 northern/middlebelt states. Once you remove the Hausa, fulanis, Kanuris Shuwa Arabs and Hausanized Bauchi tribes. 95% of the remaining ethnic groups are predominantly christian or 50/50.

I dare you to disprove this.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by CyynthiaKiss(f): 8:26pm On Oct 20, 2019
BinDean:
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You're burning with hate..you are living a miserable life full of hate & anger. If you don't make peace with yourself it will end painfully for you...you'll die with hate & the world will go on, Kaduna will go on, Elrufai & millions of his supporters & Arewa will go on. Your distress & extreme hate will do nothing to stop the wheel. It's been this way long before you & will continue long after you.. Ask yourself, 'is all this religious & ethnic none sense really worth it? If you are educated and read history: you are not the first, you won't be the last. Millions have come to hate, love or indifferent. Don't take it all personal, it's human nature to create enmity, division & fight bloody war among themselves. It's nevertheless your choice to love or hate, forgive or avenge, spread hatred or make peace. You are so full of hate it may destroy you and you won't be the first nor the last & life will continue like you never even existed.
Fear is the path of the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Elrufai (2023) is the best performing Nigerian governor ever... I hope you will somehow make peace with yourself & Deal with it.. Whether you like it or not this is your reality, it's a fact. There's nothing you can do about it. Hate & hate all you want it won't change a thing, you are only beating yourself to a miserably sorry unfulfilled life. Good luck! [/s]

Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nowenuse: 8:37pm On Oct 20, 2019
BinDean:
You're burning with hate..you are living a miserable life full of hate & anger. If you don't make peace with yourself it will end painfully for you...you'll die with hate & the world will go on, Kaduna will go on, Elrufai & millions of his supporters & Arewa will go on. Your distress & extreme hate will do nothing to stop the wheel. It's been this way long before you & will continue long after you.. Ask yourself, 'is all this religious & ethnic none sense really worth it? If you are educated and read history: you are not the first, you won't be the last. Millions have come to hate, love or indifferent. Don't take it all personal, it's human nature to create enmity, division & fight bloody war among themselves. It's nevertheless your choice to love or hate, forgive or avenge, spread hatred or make peace. You are so full of hate it may destroy you and you won't be the first nor the last & life will continue like you never even existed.
Fear is the path of the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Elrufai (2023) is the best performing Nigerian governor ever... I hope you will somehow make peace with yourself & Deal with it.. Whether you like it or not this is your reality, it's a fact. There's nothing you can do about it. Hate & hate all you want it won't change a thing, you are only beating yourself to a miserably sorry unfulfilled life. Good luck!
All you are saying is absolute Bullshit.
And who told you I am not happy? Go and tell that to the likes of Ango Abdullahi & Junaid Mohammed.

We all can see that with the way Nigeria is going, a breakup of the nation is not very far, unless things change. See the way IPOB is gaining momentum. Imagine if Northern minorities and Niger-deltans join in an agitation for seccession. Do you think Abuja can withstand it?

So, if you think your Arewa or one Nigeria where other ethnic groups are being marginalized will continue throughout your life time, you are only under delusion. Unless of course you wish to die prematurely.

Now is no longer 1967, when the whole of Nigeria were against the Igbos for demanding seccession. Now, everyone apart from the Hausa-fulanis are getting tired of Nigeria and some are demanding seccession and revolution.

No nation can be built on injustice and unfairness. Not especially a nation where half or more of the people are tired of the nation.

Can you see how your fellow Hausa, fulanis & Kanuris in Niger republic are living? That is exactly what your core-north would look like when the country divides.
The core north will even be worse than Niger republic, it would be more like Somalia.
A country where Fulani herdsmen, Boko haram, Bandits and Shiites would be left to self-destruct.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by garfield1(op): 9:14pm On Oct 20, 2019
Nowenuse:
You call 2019 an election? An election were soldiers were used to rig all over?
An election were Buhari got 40% votes in Plateau state? Tell me which people would give Buhari such votes in Plateau in 2019 after all that has happen. Or have the Hausa fulanis in Jos suddenly become 40% of the state? grin
We all knew how useless this election was, but many do not care since it is a fulani vs fulani election.


Suit yourself.


I know the demographics of most middlebelt states because I have been a leader in many regional groups affecting my people.
I travel a lot and learn from everyone I come across. And thank God we are now in an age of internet and social media. If I tell you this tribe is found here and here and are so so percentage christian/muslim, you are free to do your research
E.g If I tell you that Bwatiyes (Bachama, Mbula & Batta) are the 2nd largest ethnic group in Adamawa state and found in 4 LGAs and they are 95% christian. Here is one simple way you can verify this, go and search for the facebook groups of this ethnic groups, check through the profiles of the people you find in this group and you can see from their names alone and name of hometowns to know what religion they are and what towns they are from. Simple


Using politics to judge religious composition is a very very bad way to judge.
Muslims take elections far serious than christians in Nigeria. Go to the south during elections, most people don't come out of their houses. The missionaries who evangelized northern christians taught us that politics is a bad thing. We always say among ourselves that politics is a dirty game for the sinners and many abstain. Many people only started changing their views not too long ago when we saw how muslims play their politics with bigotry. Till now, many have not learnt their lessons and that is why all over the middlebelt, you see muslims who have emerged and are still emerging elected in areas that are predominantly christian. Just like Ibrahim Mantu who you mentioned, was elected a senator of Plateau central, a district with 80% christians. Or do you want to tell me that there are more muslims in Plateau central? I know this area very well. I am an indigene of Plateau state.


Muslims in Plateau are very small, but in Taraba where they are a significant minority, can you say what Taraba state govt have done against the wishes of it's significant minority?


Read what you wrote again, you are making no point.
Ok, here, let me help you. Why were christian dominated areas in old Kaduna LGA removed and added to Chikun LGA when old Kaduna LGA was divided into 2?
I'm sure you cannot answer this.



Hahahaha, you do not anything about Plateau or Taraba state. There are no Kanuri indigenes of Adamawa state, let alone Taraba or Plateau state. Ask questions on what you don't know.

Among the about 50 ethnic groups that make up Plateau, Boghom, Bada/Jhar and Bashar (Yangkam) are the only muslim majority ethnic groups in Plateau state and they are not among the top 10 tribes in the state.
Jukun Kona, Afizere, Pyem (Ibrahim Mantu's tribe) & Kofyar (where Kwalla falls in) are about 30-50% muslim each. All but Jukun Kona are among the top 10 tribes in the state, but not top 5.
This is how you do an ethno-religious demographic breakdown.
Plateau state is 10-15% muslim without the Hausa settlers in Jos.
I can do that of Taraba for you if you ask nicely.
You have more hate even more than el rufai and other muslims you claim are evil.
Buhari had 40% in plateau in 2015 and having same in 2019 shouldn't raise eyebrows.mind you,his campaign crowd in plateau was the largest.

I once opened a topic here showing that there more muslim in taraba than christians,nobody could refute me.there are slightly more muslim in adamawa than christians
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by NNEWIsuper: 9:20pm On Oct 20, 2019
alhassanyusuf29:
From feelers, I heard dankwanbo and sule lamido have done a lot even tho I have never been to any of these state to witness it myself

But it will definitely be kwankwasso.. from the infrastructure, education, roads etc he has achieved a lot for kano state

El-Rufai is on a right track too, there are a lot of project that have been commissioned and are on going currently, he has brought in investors too in KD, hence the rise in IGR to overtake kano

My state governor, Bello matawalle is not doing bad at all too.. this is the first time we are having an exposed and educated governor who knows the value of infrastructure and education, the way he became governor also indicates he has no Godfather, which is a good thing
so your from that poor, backward and good for nothing zamfara, today marks the last day I take you seriously, ordinary zamfara..I thought u were even from Kano or kaduna
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nobody: 9:28pm On Oct 20, 2019
Nowenuse:
All you are saying is absolute Bullshit.
And who told you I am not happy? Go and tell that to the likes of Ango Abdullahi & Junaid Mohammed.

We all can see that with the way Nigeria is going, a breakup of the nation is not very far, unless things change. See the way IPOB is gaining momentum. Imagine if Northern minorities and Niger-deltans join in an agitation for seccession. Do you think Abuja can withstand it?

So, if you think your Arewa or one Nigeria where other ethnic groups are being marginalized will continue throughout your life time, you are only under delusion. Unless of course you wish to die prematurely.

Now is no longer 1967, when the whole of Nigeria were against the Igbos for demanding seccession. Now, everyone apart from the Hausa-fulanis are getting tired of Nigeria and some are demanding seccession and revolution.

No nation can be built on injustice and unfairness. Not especially a nation where half or more of the people are tired of the nation.

Can you see how your fellow Hausa, fulanis & Kanuris in Niger republic are living? That is exactly what your core-north would look like when the country divides.
The core north will even be worse than Niger republic, it would be more like Somalia.
A country where Fulani herdsmen, Boko haram, Bandits and Shiites would be left to self-destruct.
Still burning...

Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nobody: 9:36pm On Oct 20, 2019
garfield1:
You have more hate even more than el rufai and other muslims you claim are evil.
Buhari had 40% in plateau in 2015 and having same in 2019 shouldn't raise eyebrows.mind you,his campaign crowd in plateau was the largest.

I once opened a topic here showing that there more muslim in taraba than christians,nobody could refute me.there are slightly more muslim in adamawa than christians
Will allow the young man to be for goodness sake.

What sort of reply is this. I have known many plateau Indigenes first hand even Taraba.

Whatever the young man stands for remains his stand and by extension his people.

Stop imposing your analysis and belief on him.

Is obvious you guys feed daily with abstract distractions from all angles.....I must confess....and I seriously detest such.

May God and buhari do quick and grant una Niger delta republic.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nyamuri:
Whatever you believe about the election, whether its rigged or not, that's subjective and your opinion doesn't matter in the court of law.. I brought you a proof and vindication that is backed up by the law and regulation of a country, your not in any position to indicate anything, that's why the court is there

Now, I have told you to bring your own proof that is backed up by the law or government, but u keep beating around the bush by throwing bogus numbers and claiming how your in a "middle belt group" , that's non of my business!! bring something tangible/article that has been publish in ur support

I have the election as my evidence accertain by the court and law, what do you have?

I don't care whatever group you belong to, it doesn't portray or validate anything.. if that's the, how could u woefully fail in predicting APC/buhari will lose middle belt? That means you don't know anything about regional politics or events

You can't tell me to go make research while ur the one making the points, you have to back your arguments with facts and evidence.. that's how debates are done, we are talking about KD not Adamawa.. You want me to go on Facebook and check names, but that's the same template you used in judging that buhari will lose the MB bcuz 80% in the group were Christians and we all know how it ended

If a foreigner is on social media and sees that 80% of the people are southerners, does that mean southerners are the majority in Nigeria? You see how ur argument is falling like pack of cards grin

Your lying to say Muslims take elections more serious than Christians, maybe in the south, but definitely not in KD.. we all have seen how pastors were daily instigating their members not to vote for El-rufai on a daily basis, to the point that El-rufai even said "even if I make pope my running mate, SK won't vote"... Ashiru kudan got 816, 234, while, El-rufai got 1,045,421, that's a margin of only 229,187!! Is this ur definition of not taking an election serious! undecided.. Ashiru only got 22,022 in his LG(kudan), while he 87,542 in Zango kataf(a Christian dominated area), and you foolishly say Christians don't take election serious

How can you say there are no kanuri in platue state and adamawa, I have a friend that is kanuri and from platue state.. it's clearly from this assertion that you don't know much about ur region. These people migrated centuries from Borno state

https://idonsabi.com/tribes-in-adamawa/&hl=en-NG

https://idonsabi.com/tribes-in-plateau/

Let's concentrate on KD now and leave Adamawa and taraba bcuz it's like we are derailing the topic in hand
Nowenuse:
You call 2019 an election? An election were soldiers were used to rig all over?
An election were Buhari got 40% votes in Plateau state? Tell me which people would give Buhari such votes in Plateau in 2019 after all that has happen. Or have the Hausa fulanis in Jos suddenly become 40% of the state? grin
We all knew how useless this election was, but many do not care since it is a fulani vs fulani election.


Suit yourself.


I know the demographics of most middlebelt states because I have been a leader in many regional groups affecting my people.
I travel a lot and learn from everyone I come across. And thank God we are now in an age of internet and social media. If I tell you this tribe is found here and here and are so so percentage christian/muslim, you are free to do your research
E.g If I tell you that Bwatiyes (Bachama, Mbula & Batta) are the 2nd largest ethnic group in Adamawa state and found in 4 LGAs and they are 95% christian. Here is one simple way you can verify this, go and search for the facebook groups of this ethnic groups, check through the profiles of the people you find in this group and you can see from their names alone and name of hometowns to know what religion they are and what towns they are from. Simple


Using politics to judge religious composition is a very very bad way to judge.
Muslims take elections far serious than christians in Nigeria. Go to the south during elections, most people don't come out of their houses. The missionaries who evangelized northern christians taught us that politics is a bad thing. We always say among ourselves that politics is a dirty game for the sinners and many abstain. Many people only started changing their views not too long ago when we saw how muslims play their politics with bigotry. Till now, many have not learnt their lessons and that is why all over the middlebelt, you see muslims who have emerged and are still emerging elected in areas that are predominantly christian. Just like Ibrahim Mantu who you mentioned, was elected a senator of Plateau central, a district with 80% christians. Or do you want to tell me that there are more muslims in Plateau central? I know this area very well. I am an indigene of Plateau state.


Muslims in Plateau are very small, but in Taraba where they are a significant minority, can you say what Taraba state govt have done against the wishes of it's significant minority?


Read what you wrote again, you are making no point.
Ok, here, let me help you. Why were christian dominated areas in old Kaduna LGA removed and added to Chikun LGA when old Kaduna LGA was divided into 2?
I'm sure you cannot answer this.



Hahahaha, you do not anything about Plateau or Taraba state. There are no Kanuri indigenes of Adamawa state, let alone Taraba or Plateau state. Ask questions on what you don't know.

Among the about 50 ethnic groups that make up Plateau, Boghom, Bada/Jhar and Bashar (Yangkam) are the only muslim majority ethnic groups in Plateau state and they are not among the top 10 tribes in the state.
Jukun Kona, Afizere, Pyem (Ibrahim Mantu's tribe) & Kofyar (where Kwalla falls in) are about 30-50% muslim each. All but Jukun Kona are among the top 10 tribes in the state, but not top 5.
This is how you do an ethno-religious demographic breakdown.
Plateau state is 10-15% muslim without the Hausa settlers in Jos.
I can do that of Taraba for you if you ask nicely.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nyamuri: 9:41pm On Oct 20, 2019
Hahaha I have forever claimed zamfara state, I'm not like u primitive ritual flat.head HIV patient that open multiple monikers and be quoting yourself
NNEWIsuper:
so your from that poor, backward and good for nothing zamfara, today marks the last day I take you seriously, ordinary zamfara..I thought u were even from Kano or kaduna
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nyamuri: 9:49pm On Oct 20, 2019
You keep diverting and derailing off topic, I'm not talking about Adamawa and taraba, let's leave it for another day or you can open another thread for it

You still don't understand my argument, I'm not talking about the percentage of other minority tribes that are hausa/fulani/Muslims or not .. im saying hausa/muslim/fulani are the majority, hence the reason it will be very hard for middle belt minority to have clout or influence in the region

That's why you see states like kogi, kwarra, Niger going the northern way

Can you disprove that?
Nowenuse:
Among all the hundreds of ethnic groups in the North-central + Adamawa, Taraba, Southern Kaduna e.t.c. Tell me how many of them are predominantly muslim compared to those that are predominantly christian.

See, in the entire 19 northern/middlebelt states. Once you remove the Hausa, fulanis, Kanuris Shuwa Arabs and Hausanized Bauchi tribes. 95% of the remaining ethnic groups are predominantly christian or 50/50.

I dare you to disprove this.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by Nyamuri: 10:10pm On Oct 20, 2019
It's funny How ur talking about constitution now, ur using your own hand to hurt yourself, where in the constitution did it talk about a right to referendum, obviously non.. so that means you can't get a referendum grin, since you using the same constitution in ur argument

Align with the south for what? can you elaborate more bcuz ur a bit vague.. is it politically? If that's the case, then it's nothing new bcuz for a long time, benue and platue have been on the same page with the south, i have no problem or argument on that.. May issue is when you try to generalize the whole MB, that I takI an exception!! Since the inception of Nigeria, kogi, kwarra, nasarawa and Niger, have always aligned with the north politically

You keep talking about how these tribes are this and that, I don't know the percentage of minority tribes in MD that are Christians, whether if it's 60% or not, that's not the bone of contention!!

All I'm saying Muslims are the majority in MB.. in kogi, kwarra, nasarawa and Niger.. so it will be very hard to align with the south at the expense of those states I mentioned

Let me make it simple for you, in a layman's level... if their is a referendum in MB today to join the south, there is no way ur people can win bcuz majority religion is Islam and we know how votes are casted base on religion

Can u disprove that,
Nowenuse:
Referendum can be based on ethnic groups too!
Geopolitical zones are an artificial creation of yesterday. They are not in our constitution and hold no water.
In 1956, all northern minorities under the middlebelt umbrella requested for a unique independent region from the British before independence. The documents are still there. Mind you, by that time there was nothing like North-central or Northeast. From Borno south down to Zuru (Kebbi south) were considered as middlebelt.

Besides, when did I tell you that my people will vote in a referendum? I said we will allign with the South. How does that translate to a referendum?

All the areas I mentioned for you share boundary with one another and Nasarawa/Taraba share boundary with Benue state which has a massive boundary with SE & SS, so what exactly are you talking about?

You people just sit down to call places you do not know the demographic composition.

Do you think the Eggons, Mada, Migili, Nungu, Gbagyi in Nasarawa state are any different from their neighbours in Plateau or Southern Kaduna? Or you think because many Nasarawa people are muslims?

Let me burst your bubble. There are about 30 indigenous tribes in Nasarawa state and apart from the Hausa-fulani & Kanuri settlers in Nasarawa state, almost every other tribe in the state is predominantly christian or a 50/50.

Eastern Niger is owned by Gbagyis, Koros, Kamukus & Kadaras. All these tribes are also found in Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa & FCT and they are 60% christian. What do you think will seperate them from their brothers & sisters in neighbouring areas?

Kebbi south is dominated by the Lelna (Zuru or Dakarkari) and they are a predominantly christian people. They have always been part of Niger province right from colonial times, but they were wrongly removed and merged with Kebbi. They and the Kambaris & Dukawa of Eastern Niger north also share same cultures and values with the rest of us and will gladly join the rest of us in our struggle.

Very soon, you will know if we have the clout to succeed or not. Just wait for the unity of all these tribes under 1 umbrella.
The core-north only take all these tribes for granted because they are not united under one cause. The moment that comes, it is finished.
Re: Who Is The Best Governor In The North Since 1999? by BafanaBafana: 10:56pm On Oct 20, 2019
Nowenuse:
God forbid. I rebuke that. Please can you claim your true identity and stop being ashamed of it?
Dude, I'm from Benue, a full blooded Idoma and El Rufai is my mentor. If not for hearsay, nobody has a reason to hate Elrufai.
An on the struggle you were talking about, you guys are strictly on your own
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