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hopefulLandlord:
Because he was playing in a team that has one of the greatest player ever. This is also why Neymar had to move away from Barca.

pu7pl3:
This is not an excuse on why VVD is hyped like this

hulk616:
soo painful

AntiMCU:
I've been crying since monday.

airmark:
If you are not leading your team well defensively, you shouldn't be put among the best 3 players in the world.

Ramos is a great defender but he never had a season that beat VVD's last season. That's a fact, Madrid were lucky to have attackers that scored over 100 goals to mask the leaky defence led by Ramos that year in Laliga.

pu7pl3:
So what are you saying? Or are you going to deny the many times that Mane's individual brilliance brought about goals same way other attackers that have been on the top 3 podium did?

raumdeuter:
How can Allison be making 8 saves in a game and the defender is MOTM

hopefulLandlord:
VVD wouldn't be this hyped if he had peak Messi or Ronaldo in his team. that's the point

AntiMCU:
I've been crying since monday.

hopefulLandlord:
It's your point about defending being a team effort while attacking just needs individual brilliance that I'm tackling. both require team efforts. go watch Messi score a solo goal and you'd see movements from his teammates is part of why he did that. if Suarez isn't making that blind run that drags a defender or two away, if Alba and Dani Alves aren't making byline runs that preoccupies the right and left side of the opponent's defense, if busquets stands like a doll or Xavi and Iniesta run back to their goal then Messi wouldn't be able to do it as he would simply be ganged upon by the opponent then get a free kick far from the opponent's goal if he's lucky. Attacking and defending require team efforts which is why they drill attacking movements in training, players don't just move around during attacks and get lucky, they train and know what to do when a particular teammate has the ball as opposed to another. they know that when Marcelo has the ball on the left side they need to prepare for a good cross and when Hazard does they need to expect a cross as last resort. When Robben is about to cut inside the striker needs to make a blind run that drags the CB's attention away from Robben so when Robben beats the right back he has the space to curl a shot but to the untrained eye Robben just scored on individual effort alone and if the defender refuses to track the striker then Robben would simply pass to the free striker once he's done cutting in.

Thinking a great goal is individual effort and a great tackle is a team effort is naïve

pu7pl3:
why wasn't Vidic, Ferdinand or John Terry hyped like his too then?

hopefulLandlord:
Because the first 2 had Ronaldo in their team and the last one didn't do as much in Europe except when he had declined

AntiMCU:
I've been crying since monday.

pu7pl3:
Except this whole point loses its value(stops making much sense) when you consider the fact that not every player can run the way Messi or Mane does with the ball despite any sort of movement the other team mates might be making.

That's why a team attacks with some group of players while the whole team is required to defend

pu7pl3:
If Ronaldo could outshine them then why can Mane do the same to VVD now? After all Ronaldo's time at Manchester United is similar to Mane's time at Liverpool right now with a similar style of play too

hopefulLandlord:
which is why Messi looks a lot more ordinary when playing for Argentina compare to when he does for UEFAlona. if you think you can stick Messi into Watford and they'd suddenly start winning games then you're paying a huge disservice to his Barcelona teammates and teamwork the point is not that an ighalo or mayoral would score a Messi like solo goal if you stick them in Barcelona but rather that Messi without his teammates training with him and rehearsing attacking movements wouldn't be this good on the field. Football is a lot more than the 1 dimensional view we see on TV or play on PES and FIFA
agreed but I fail to see how this is relevant as it applies to every position on the field of play
if the defenders aren't good enough then no amount of teamwork would help. nothing changed in the defensive setup of Liverpool before and after VVD but slotting VVD made a defense that was conceding goals left and right to make UCL final and win UCL the next season while almost wrestling the league away from city. if not for VVd they wouldn't be anywhere near that. now I'm not saying this to diminish the abilities of the other players in their defense but it only takes watching VVd brush away strong attackers like Lukaku, Benteke etc like they're DJ Qualls to see what he does in that defense. watch what how he shouts instructions at his fellow defenders and how he tells them to push high or drop low.

I still disagree. the whole team is also required to attack. defenders push very high when theyre attacking for a reason, the fullbacks run down the byline for a reason, the defensive midfielder camps in front of opponent's box when attacking for a reason. you're view is overly simplistic

This is you basically contradicting yourself and saying that VVD's individual brilliance is what got them their UCL ..you cant choose to only use that logic when it suits your arguement alone, you must apply it equally bro.....Do you know how poor Liverpool's attack was before they signed Mane?

I believe there is nothing left here for us to argue cos it seems to me you are just arguing for the sake of it

hopefulLandlord:
Saying manes contribution is similar to that of Ronaldo during his peak at man U is an insult to what Ronaldo di

pu7pl3:
Now listen to yourself...you said ....


nothing changed in the defensive setup of Liverpool before and after VVD but slotting VVD made a defense that was conceding goals left and right to make UCL final and win UCL the next season while almost wrestling the league away from city. if not for VVd they wouldn't be anywhere near that. now I'm not saying this to diminish the abilities of the other players in their defense but it only takes watching VVd brush away strong attackers like Lukaku, Benteke etc like they're DJ Qualls to see what he does in that defense. watch what how he shouts instructions at his fellow defenders and how he tells them to push high or drop low.

This is you basically contradicting yourself and saying that VVD's individual brilliance is what got them their UCL ..you cant choose to only use that logic when it suits your arguement alone, you must apply it equally bro.....Do you know how poor Liverpool's attack was before they signed Mane?

I believe there is nothing left here for us to argue cos it seems to me you are just arguing for the sake of it

pu7pl3:
Apart from the freekicks and skills they are similar in terms of end product

hulk616:
Giorgio Chiellini claims Juventus teammate Cristiano Ronaldo “was robbed of the Ballon d’Or last year, as Real Madrid wanted to stop him winning.”

I started supporting Real Madrid before i knew there was a GOAT called ronaldo. So i dont accept this insult and lie to and against my club

but seriously this chiellini does not know how to talk

biomustry:
Does this meins Ronaldo enjoyed the privilege wen he was in Madrid? Maybe Ronaldo asked him to say it

hopefulLandlord:
What mane? Till they signed Sallah their attack didn't get this good. maybe you should credit Salah then?

hopefulLandlord:
No theyre not. WTF! where's this revisionism coming from exactly?

pu7pl3:
You mean the same Mane that was Liverpool's player of the season In his first season while also being among their highest goal scorers?? Dude...if you want to join the VVD hype train you are free but don't shit on Mane like that..dude is an absolute baller and should be 2nd after Messi right now after the season he had not VVD

hopefulLandlord:
What? In what world was he amongst the highest goal scorers? Mane moved to Liverpool in 2016/17 season and the top scorers on EPL that season were

1 Harry Kane 29
2 Romelu Lukaku 25 goals
3 Alexis Sánchez 24 goals
4 Sergio Agüero and Diego Costa 20 goals
6 Dele Alli 18 goals
7 Zlatan Ibrahimovic 17 goals
8 Eden Hazard and Joshua King 16 goals
10 Christian Benteke, Jermain Defoe and Fernando Llorente 15 goals

source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Premier_League neither is he top 10 in assists

I have no idea where you got the stat of him being one of the top scorers. could you provide your source or admit you're wrong?

I guess your point even buttresses my Salah counter as Salah won Liverpool player of the year in his first Liverpool season, player's player of the year too, PFA player of the year, highest goal scorer in EPL, top 5 in assists while also equalling the record for the highest number of goals scored in a single EPL season. so bro, are you confusing Mane for Salah?

pu7pl3:
This is not an excuse on why VVD is hyped like this

airmark:
If you are not leading your team well defensively, you shouldn't be put among the best 3 players in the world.

Ramos is a great defender but he never had a season that beat VVD's last season. That's a fact, Madrid were lucky to have attackers that scored over 100 goals to mask the leaky defence led by Ramos that year in Laliga.



In that season, Godin led his team to win the league, conceding fewest in the league. He was so good that he was the laliga player of the month twice, consecutively. A feat Pique and Ramos never achieved, but they would hand them the defender of the year, because they were Spaniards. Nonsense.

raumdeuter:
The airmark you are trying to convince has no sense

Mane was by far Liverpools best player of 2019.

kendrick9:
Thank you for this post .
Ramos isn't very good defensively.all you have to do check out how leaky real madrid always were.... But he scores goals so all is forgotten..
Ramos has always been an error prone defender

Melvyn11:
Please follow your attention seeking wh*ore who jumps from thread to thread looking for attention and get the feck outta here.

kendrick9:
[s] Another Mad idiot...pls don't quote me again..
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