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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 1:30pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
pazienza: Yes you are very correct. Ndokwa east (Ndosimili people) are not Ukwuanis. Actually I have asked some Igbophobic Ikas & Ukwanis on the Anioma matter. You are not too correct in the sense that these people actually love a joint Anioma identity, but they are afraid that it is a pro-Igbo identity and it will further drag them towards being Igbo. Besides this, they have no problem with being Anioma. Some of these Igbophobic Ikas & Ukwanis even reject the DELTA IGBO tag and to be honest, this is the identity with which most Edo & Deltans from other tribes tag them and most of them normally accept it. Pls for the records, I never said Pro Igbos are 25% in Enuani. I said 25% in Anioma as a whole. Of course Enuanis are predominantly pro Igbo. Especially Igbuzor, Okpanam & Ogwashi-Uku. The first time I went to Ogwash, it felt like I was in the SE. A very close friend and church member of mine was from Igbuzor and men, this guy was even more Igbotic than our pastor who was from Imo state . Anti Igbos are like 20-25% in Enuani. However, I think the 80% pro Igbo in Enuani is divided into 2 categories. The active pro-Igbos and the passive pro-Igbos. The active pro-Igbos are the Igbuzors, Ogwash, Okpanam and parts of Asaba, e.t.c. You can hardly differentiate these ones from the Igbos in the SE . They are pro Igbo and Igbotic to the core. Most of them don't even give you the 'Delta-Igbo bullshit'. Ask them their tribe and they tell you IGBO! The passive pro-Igbos in Enuani have some sort of inferiority or maybe that is just the way they are, I don't know. They accept being Igbo, but they hardly want to speak Igbo in public and with people from the SE. They do not openly flaunt their Igboness with pride unlike the active pro-Igbos. This is just the same way you have the active anti-Igbos and passive anti-Igbos among Ikas, Ndokwas and even Enuani. The passive anti-Igbos reject Igbo identity but they do not do it with hatred, bitterness and anger. They acknowledge kinship and relationship with Igbos, but they will emphasize the differences. If you can talk enough sense into these ones and explain to them why they should be Igbo, they could accept passively. While the active anti-Igbos are the ones who show serious hatred towards Igbo identity and would not mind insulting and fighting over it. These ones do not mind rewriting history to show how Bini they are Anioma people are just very funny to me. The worst part is that even within the same Anioma family, you find the different categories. You can find an Anioma family where the father is passively pro Igbo, the mother is actively anti-Igbo because she had a quarrel with an Igbo woman or an Igbo woman tried to snatch her husband . The son actively pro-Igbo cos he learnt their history online and is more aware, while the daughters are not even interested in the topic of being Igbo or not and do not care. This is why it is wrong for you to say you Igbos are only interested in Enuani because all Aniomas are interrelated and intertwined by history, culture and everything. You cannot really divide them based on pro-Igbo and anti-Igboness. There are Ika & Ndokwa people who are very much pro Igbo and ready to die for the Igbo nation. What do you do about them? Osita Mordi my beloved friend is one of them. To the Anioma people themselves, most of them do not even see this 'being Igbo or not topic' as a big issue, cos they know they are one family irrespective of their opinions. It is more of an issue to the SE people and I very much understand why. This is somehow the same way Hausa-fulanis try to divide middlebelt and northern minority tribes based on religion, it doesn't work in most cases cos many of these tribes are 50/50 and intertwined. They now end up calling these tribal muslims fake muslims because these ones love their cultures and cannot kill for islam or practice sharia law . For me, I think Anioma leaders, stakeholders and traditional leaders should come together once and for all and decide what they want to be in order to end all these to and fro arguments and divisions. Isokos did it and rejected Urhobo identity and Urhobos accept it today and identify them separately, same thing with Itsekiris and Yoruba. I will never forget the time when a list of all the students in my level and facculty was posted on the notice board and people were identified with their ethnic languages, oboy, come and see identity crisis among Aniomas!! You will see people from the same LGA, yet some will say they are Igbo, some Ndokwa, some Ukwani, some Kwale, some Ika, some Agbor and many other appellations. I mean, what kind of embarrassment is this? Cc midnighter 6 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 1:42pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
midnighter: Wow, are you sure about your 2nd paragraph? I never knew any white Americans could take this ancestry thing that serious! |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by oyatz(m): 1:44pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
What arrant display of arrogance and ignorance! What if it's the Igbos that copied them from Ikwerres? No language is inferior to another and no tribe has an exclusive let alone copyright over anyword or language. You speak your language in YOUR OWN ways and you are asking the Ikwerres to speak their language exactly like you? Are you their God? Who gave you such authority? Who told you your own spelling is the original? How did you arrogate to yourselves the power to determine which language comes first and which one is fake and which one is original? Ikwerres have it's own different dialects and you are insisting Ikwerre must be a dialect of Igbo? Similarities in language in most cases simply shows a common descent e.g both Igbos and Ikwerre languages evolved from the same sources NOT necessarily that Ikwerre language emerged from Igbo. If Igbos say Olisa, Ika say Oliseh, Binis say Oosa, Itshekiri say Oritse and Yoruba say Orisha. Who are you to say one is a bastardized form of the other? Halexgos3: 2 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 1:46pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
BULLIONVAN4: Hahaha, is this not the same way anybody in Nigeria answering Mustapha Yusuf Danjuma is seen as a Hausa? Meanwhile that person could be Kanuri, Jukun, Nupe, Bura or even from tribes like Igala, Ebira and even Yorubas who have no relationship whatsoever with Hausa. |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 1:57pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
CSTR2: My brother, Ikwerre people are even more Igbotic than Anioma people from my experience. When we were in camp, in my room, the Ikwerres there spoke to themselves exclusively in Igbo and were loud and unapologetic about it, while the Igbos and Aniomas there were speaking pidgin. 2 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by oyatz(m): 2:14pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
You are free to say whatever you like. They are your opinions and NOT necessarily facts. Osagyefo98: |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 2:22pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
pazienza: Lol... I understand your pain and it's funny to me, but things like this have come to stay all over the world It pains many Hausa fulanis that Southern Kaduna and Plateau people hate them, yet they speak their Hausa language fluently as a lingua franca. Urdu (Hindustani) is the national language of Pakistan, this language originates in India among ancient Hindus, yet Pakistanis take pride in it and at the same time, hate Hindus and hate India and many of them claim to be of Arab-Persian origin..... They write Urdu in Arabic script and put in many Arabic words to make it as different from Hindi as possible, but a tiger can never change it's stripes Hindi and Urdu is still one inseparable language. The only difference between Pakis and Ikwerres is that Pakistan took their anti-Hindi to the next level by trying to introduce Arabic as a national language in Pakistan by bringing in lots of Arabic teachers and scholars from the middle-east, but it was a massive failure! A monkey cannot be forced to be a dog. So maybe Ikwerres will try the experiment with Bini language if they have their own country or autonomy. |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 2:24pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Halexgos3: Aniomas are the ones who actually answer EMEKE, not Ikwerres. And in the case of Aniomas, I don't think it's fake. It's their dialect. |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by midnighter(f): 2:27pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Nowenuse: I'm not referring to the vast majority. I meant very old, wealthy families And it's not restricted to just English heritage, but marrying out must be justified. Just like the elites we have in Nigeria 3 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nobody: 2:28pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Your logic and sampling is skewed based on your interactions with few which I always summarize as lies. Even in kwale they answer Emeke, Emeka, Chukwuemeka...Ugochukwu, Orji.., onyekachukwu... All are still their names. |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 2:34pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
oyatz: Lol.... Bro take am easy with your number 1. Yes, many languages have gone extinct to Hausa while many more are on the verge of going extinct, however TANGALE is not one of them. All Tangale people speak Hausa as a 2nd language, but most of them still speak their native language... Bauchi is the place where the strongest hausanization took place because most of them converted to islam. More than 50 languages have been lost in Bauchi over the years. Tangale people in Gombe are predominantly christians and are the 2nd largest tribe in the state. 1 Like |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by OgaBuhari: 2:49pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 3:00pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
HopeAtHand: Wow! This is enlightening. I am not Igbo, but a middlebelter (I am saying this cos I don't want you to take my question as an Igbo person trying to force Igbo identity on you). My question is this. Were you Ikwerres speaking a very distinct language from Igbo language in the past, before you people were influenced by Igbos during precolonial and colonial times? If yes, please can you show me some proofs on this? Southern Kaduna & Bauchi people are both neighbours of Hausas. Same precolonial and colonial influence of cut and join was done upon them by the British and today they all speak Hausa (some as a 1st language and others as a 2nd language). The thing is that even in Bauchi where majority accepted Islam and hausanization was strongest, we can still see the traces of the minority languages. In the interior rural villages, elderly people still speak/spoke these native languages. The last surviving speaker of Bure language in Bauchi, an old woman I think died a few years ago... I always heard stories that the people of Birnin Gwari LGA in Kaduna state were originally Gwari people who have now become Hausas. I wasn't sure of this, not until I saw a British colonial record of ethnic groups in Northern Nigeria and it was clearly written by the British that the elders in Birnin Gwari still spoke Gbagyi language as at the 1920s. Then I was fully satisfied. This is why I am asking you, can we see any form of record or evidence that Ikwerre people were very distinct from Igbos? Thank you. And please enlighten me more about the COR agitation of minorities in the old Eastern region. Middlebelt minorities also submitted their request to the Willinks Comission in 1959 for an independent region from the north, but it was heavily ignored. So I am really interested in that of the Eastern minorities. Thanks. 6 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 3:18pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
pazienza: Nice one, this is also the reason why I find the Ikwerre claim of being a distinct group who were influenced by the Igbos highly questionable. As I wrote above, not until we can see a form of document or proof of an ancient Ikwerre language very different from Igbo, then it cannot be true. Just for the records... In your first paragraph, Hausa language did not spread amongst all Northern minorities due to subjugation of the caliphate. How about Fulanis who were the conquerors who also lost and are still loosing their native Fulfude language to Hausa till date? Kanuri used to be the lingua franca of the upper north-east cos they conquered the area but today it is Hausa and hausas did not conquer anywhere, rather fulanis did. I'd say Hausa language spread by influence/trade and not really conquest or even colonialism. Although, the last 2 somehow promoted it. because if we claim it was purely conquest or colonialism, how do we explain Hausa language being the lingua franca in Niger republic? All the non hausa tribes in Niger republic speak Hausa as a 2nd language, even up to the lightskinned Berbers in the north of the country close to Libya/Algeria. The french who colonized Niger republic do not practice Indirect rule like the British and so couldn't have helped promote Hausa language there and neither did Fulani conquest affect Niger republic. 2 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by joeyfire(m): 3:37pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by kayfra: 3:46pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
midnighter: Those are new words created post contact with Europeans. Your men had a string around their penis and that was pretty much it for clothing. No real clothing |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by midnighter(f): 3:49pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Thank you, This is what I was trying to tell that guy People identify as so many things yet he's acting like they've suddenly had some reawakening and realised that they can't possibly be Igbo when you can meet somebody from any of those places who will never be annoyed with you for classing him as an Igbo, whether he came from Benin or wherever or not. 3 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 3:56pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
midnighter: Ok, I thought Deutsch and Dutch were pronounced the same way. Can you pls differentiate it for me? 2ndly can you pls tell us the line of difference where one ceases to be GERMAN and becomes GERMANIC? Cos like I told you, Low German (the dialect of Northern Germany) is highly mutually intelligble to Dutch, spoken in Netherlands. They understand each other very well. How then do people who speak the same language become Germanic and some Germans? My sister it is nothing but politics. English people and Scandinavians can be called Germanic because their languages are not mutually intelligible to any dialect of German. English language was heavily influenced by French, Latin and Celtic languages hence it completely transformed into an entirely different language... I have read manuscripts of Old English, spoken like 1,000 years ago. It looks purely like German. Infact it was considered a dialect of German then. Yes, you are very correct about the SS ethnic groups. Akwa-Ibom & Calabar tribes are similar but divided. Edo tribes are similar but divided. Same thing with Urhobos & Isokos. I was shocked when an Eleme family friend told me that he was not Ogoni and that Elemes are not Ogoni people. Imagine? Ijaws are the only ones who defy this plague among Southern minorities and I applaud them for this. Many people who identify as Ijaw today speak languages that are completely unrelated to Ijaw language. This is why I call Ijaw a political group rather than an ethnic group 1 Like |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by midnighter(f): 3:57pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Thank you ooo. Ha. I guess you were busy eating rice yesterday because we could have used your help trying to reason with these people I keep asking where they got that language from since its not Igbo but there's no answer Even those zango kattaf (spelling) who they have trying to wipe from the face of the earth can still speak their language, PLUS HAUSA. How much more ikwerres who are even more fortunate than most Igbo states? So where is the mysterious language for crying out loud 3 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 4:05pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
oyatz: Wow, you killed this analysis. I wish I could re-like this post of yours. Fulanis have strong genes/origins from Semitic Berber/Arab people and probably this was the reason why they were naturally smarter than most pure Black Africans. Actually, fulanis are using illiteracy as a tool to keep the pure unmixed Hausa masses in servitude and control. Cos I am very sure the moment Hausas become literate, they will start asking questions and this will lead to the dethronement of Fulanis. 1 Like |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by pazienza(m): 4:05pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Your long post strongly emphasizes why it's pointless engaging in these issues with non Igbos. You are obviously not knowledgeable enough about these issues to engage in it. To be able to reasonably understand this issue, you need to be an Igbo who has lived in these Igboid parts or an Igboid who has lived in South East. This is somehow the same way Hausa-fulanis try to divide middlebelt and northern minority tribes based on religion, it doesn't work in most cases cos many of these tribes are 50/50 and intertwined. They now end up calling these tribal muslims fake muslims because these ones love their cultures and cannot kill for islam or practice sharia law . The above doesn't make sense. There is no analogy whatever between Igbo and Anioma and Middle belt and Hausa-Fulani. The Igbo speak same indigenous language with these Igboid groups, the Hausa-fulani don't speak the same language with middle belt groups. Even middle belt groups are very heterogeneous and don't speak the same language. Secondly , no Igbo person is seeking to divide Anioma, we are simply identifying with those who identify with us, who happens to be mainly those of them in Enu-ani, many of us are tired of reaching out to Ika and Ukwuani. Additionally, The Enuani and Ukwuani are intertwined with Ika, as much as the Ukwuani are entwined with Igbos in Ogbaru LGA of Anambra, and the with the Igbos in Oguta LGA. If you are Igbo, you would know this and will not go off tangent with the narrative of Igbos trying to disunite Anioma. Nevertheless, you tried in other parts of your analysis of the issue. 6 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 4:13pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Osagyefo98: See, larger dialects always swallow up smaller dialects within the same language. Many Ondo & Ekiti people answer Oyo dialect Yoruba names today in addition to their own dialect names, but they know the ones that originally belong to their native dialects. Same with Aniomas. There are Igbo names that are aboriginal to Anioma dialects and those that aren't. |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by OgaBuhari: 4:17pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by OgaBuhari: 4:18pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
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Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by pazienza(m): 4:24pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Nowenuse: What exactly do you mean by "Igbo names"? Are you aware that every Igbo clan has names peculiar to them? Enugu Nkanu = Ogbodo,Onovo, Ene, Nnamani, NnamOk, Nnamene, Ani, Chukwuonu, Edeh, Chukwunnaji,, etc Enugu Nsukka = Ossai, Ohayi, Asadu, Nwodo, Ugwuoke, Ugwuanyi,Ngwuoke, Ezeah, etc Do you know that Emeka is mainly Enugu and Anambra dialect? Emeka in Imo and Abia should be "Emela", so the Abia and Imo equivalent of Chukwuemeka should be Chukwuemela, but for the sake of Igbo unity project, only few Imo and Abia people bear Chukwuemela. Chinyere is of Abia/Imo origin, it should be Chinyelu in Anambra and Chinyeru in Enugu/Ebonyi. But for sake of Igbo unity, most Anambra people name their daughters Chinyere and not Chinyelu. So when you say "Igbo names", which names exactly do you mean, and who are the "Igbos" you are referring to. Because it would occur to me that you are assuming there is a monolithic Igbo name. Igbo groups simply adopt dialectical versions of names that appear sweeter as standard name. For example, Obinna should be Obunna in parts of Abia state, Ifeanyi should be Iheanyi in parts of Imo/Abia/Enugu/Ebonyi, and Iveanyi in parts of Anambra and Enugu (Nenwe-Aninri), Chizaram should be Chizalum in Anambra and Chizarum in Ebonyi/Enugu. Yet you find people from parts of Igboland using versions of the name not indigenous to them, simply because the version other Igbos are using sound more exotic than theirs. 8 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nobody: 4:25pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Nowenuse: Pure lies because a list of their names hardly shows such...Is it obi of kwale or should I say Okpalaukwu...That's the name of the stool or does it mean a certain real name was also swallowed. What you said is a figment of your Imagination not the fact on ground. Even there they still answer Ojiuzor, chukwudi, Ifeanyi, Chibuzor, Anulika and the rest.. Such are their names and who they are.. Your meeting two or three people and base your logic on that is a bad research. For this it is figment of your Imagination not facts. |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by AceRoot(m): 4:31pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
I am sorry if I am intruding here, but I hope you really can read through it all with an open mind. WILLINK REPORT 1958 EXCERPTS.: THE HISTORICAL AND POLITICAL BACKGROUND. 1. “More than 98% of people who inhabit this area (the ‘Ibo Plateau’ of the Eastern region) are Ibo and speak one language, though of course with certain differences of dialect. There are nearly five million of them and they are too many for the soil to support: they are vigorous and intelligent and have pushed outward in every direction, seeking a livelihood by trade or in service in the surrounding areas of the Eastern Region, in the Western Region, in the North and outside Nigeria. They are no more popular with their neighbours than is usual in the case of an energetic and expanding people whose neighbours have a more leisurely outlook on life.” 2. “Though there has been no great kingdom or indigenous culture in the Eastern Region, the coastal chiefs grew on their trade with the (European merchant) ships and they adopted customs, clothing and housing more advanced than those of the peoples of the interior on whom they had at first preyed for slaves. They came during the 19th Century to regard the people of the interior as backward and ignorant, and it was therefore a blow to their pride, as well as to their pockets, when the Ibos began to push outwards into the surrounding fringe of the country and particularly into the Calabar area, to take up land, to grow rich, to own houses and lorries and occupy posts in public services and in the services of large trading firms.” “It was among the Ibos, formerly despised by the people of Calabar as source of slaves and as a backward people of the interior, now feared and disliked as energetic and educated, that the first political party formed.” 3. “It is important to remember that of this (Ogoja) Province’s 1,082,000 inhabitants, 723,000 are Ibos, almost entirely in Abakaliki and Afikpo (Divisions), while the census classifies 350,000 as “Other Nigerian Tribes.” 4. The Rivers Province …includes the two divisions of Brass and Degema, both overwhelmingly Ijaw, and the Ogoni Division. The former Rivers Division also includes over 300,000 Ibos of whom 250,000 are in Ahoada Division and 45,000 in Port Harcourt. Port Harcourt is a town of recent growth and of rapidly increasing importance; it is built on land that blonged originally to an outlying branch of the Ibo tribe, the Diobus, but is largely inhabited by the Ibos from the interior who have come to trade or seek employment….Of the total 747,000 in the Rivers province, 305,000 are Ibos, 240,000 are Ijaws and 156,000 are Ogonis.” 5. “The strip to the south of the Ibo block, is physically, divided by a block of Ibo territory, tipped by the important Ibo town of Port Harcourt and tribally divided between the Ijaws and the Ogonis.” 6. “In the whole of this non-Ibo area there is present in varying degree some fear of being over-run, commercially and politically, by the Ibos….. if Ahoada and Port Harcourt, which are really Ibo, are considered with the solid centre of Ibo population, there are 54 seats for the Ibo area and 30 for COR (Calabar, Ogoja and Rivers) in (Eastern Regional House of Assembly).” THE FEARS AND GRIEVANCES OF MINORITIES 7. “It was suggested (by non-Ibo petitioners) that it was the deliberate object of the Ibo majority in the Region to fill every post with Ibos (in public post and services).….when, however we came to consider specific complaints about the composition of public bodies, we found them in many cases exaggerated or unreasonable.” 8. “The allegation was put forward by counsel (to petitioners) that the Judiciary (when not European) was predominantly Ibo, with the implication that this caused fear among those who are not Ibos. But it was clearly stated in evidence by Dr. Udoma, the leader of UNIP, that no occasion could be adduced of the judiciary acting with partiality. The fact is that the legal profession is largely Ibos and the reasons for this do not seem to be Government action. It is therefore inevitable that there should be an Ibo preponderance among Judges and Magistrates. Further, it is the declared policy of Government that the Judiciary should be federal and this does not indicate a desire to control it. Again, the operation and composition of Public Service Commission here, as in the West, appeared to us in no way open to reproach.” 9. “In the Police, which in this region alone is wholly Federal, the number of Ibos in the higher appointments is not out of proportion to the Ibos in the region. The force is now federally controlled and although there are a large number of Ibos in the lower ranks, this is due to the fact that it has for long been a tradition among the Ibos to offer themselves for recruitment in this force in far greater numbers than any other tribe.” 10. “we noted that in five years, 1952 – 1957, from a total of 412 secondary scholarships, 216 were awarded to persons living in the COR areas, while the figures for post-secondary scholarships were 211 out of 623. The latter is about the right proportion of one-third, the former considerably in excess. It was suggested that scholarships awarded to non-Ibos were of an inferior kind and that the best scholarships went to Ibos, but we were, unable to see that this claim held any validity. On the evidence before us, we conclude that the allegations of discriminations in the matter of scholarships are unjustified.” 11. “It was further suggested that loans by the Eastern Regional Finance Corporation, the Eastern Region Development Board, and the Eastern Region Development Corporation were made with some degree of preference to Ibos. It did appear that most of the loans made by these bodies were to Ibos, but that is not to say that this was necessarily improper. Ibos constitute two thirds of the population of the region and have a bigger share of financial and commercial responsibility than their numbers warrant.” 12. “That there should be modern streetlight in Onitsha, and not Calabar, was also quoted as example of discrimination; it proved however that Onitsha Urban District Council had financed this measure from their own resources.” 13. “The question of land was repeatedly raised, it being resented by the Efiks and Ibibios that the Ibos should acquire land at all in their territory while the methods by which it was obtained were also questioned. There is no doubt that on the Ibo Plateau there is insufficient land for the people and the Ibos ate thrusting outwards where possible they acquire land and use it either for cultivation or building…..This is a matter which will require legislation sooner or later and it will be delicate to handle, but the economic process is in itself healthy and we had little sympathy with a witness who remarked that there is much undeveloped land in district and he was anxious that it should not fall into the hand of the Ibos….We believe that Governments in Nigeria should be careful not to try to protect minorities by introducing measures that would restrict development.” 14. “A group of miscellaneous grievances and charges against the Ibos from Calabar may be treated together; we were told that the Ibos did not observe local customs in the markets….We formed the impression that jealousy of the Ibos successes in the markets was the main factor.” THE PROPOSAL FOR NEW STATES 15. “The Ogoja state proposed to us would include former Ogoja province, whose population of slightly more than One million include more than 700,000 Ibos…the main intention would be separation from the central body of Ibo population, but in which they will still be linked together with as a minority with their Ibo neighbours in Abakaliki and Afikpo…A majority of evidence we heard from Ogoja was direct that they preferred the present situation to any association with Calabar and that they were at least as much afraid of domination by Efiks and Ibibios as by Ibos.” 16. “The (Calabar, Ogoja and Rivers or COR) state proposed would consist of Calabar, Rivers and Ogoja provinces excluding the two Ibo Divisions of Abakaliki and Afikpo. The population of this area is 2,649,000 and the following would be the five largest tribes: Ibibio 717,000 Annang 435,000 Ibo 428,000 Ijaw 251,000 Ogoni 156,000 As already explained, the small but important Efik tribe of 71,000…The (COR) area is far from homogenous , and many of the other tribes expressed at least as much fear of the Efiks and Ibibios as of the Ibo. It would leave the Ibos of the Ibo Plateau surrounded by a state whose reason for existence was hostility to themselves: the Ibos are an expanding people…” 17. “The area claimed for Rivers state consists of the whole of the Rivers province, that is: The Division of Brass, Degema, Ogoni, Port Harcourt and Ahoada, together with the Western Ijaw Division from the western region, and two small sections in the Eastern Region from outside the Rivers Province, Opodo and Andoni being one, Ndoki the other.” 18. “Port Harcourt is an Ibo town and it is growing rapidly and the indigenous branch of the Ibos who are original inhabitants are already out-numbered by Ibos from the hinterland.” 19. “The people of Ahoada, a Division of which a pan runs down to meet Port Harcourt, appear at one time to have favoured the idea of a Rivers state, but have changed their views and before us expressed themselves as strongly against it. Comparatively few of them live in the low-lying swampy country of the coastal strip and they have voted for the NCNC consistently, they said themselves that a main factor in their change of front had been the inclusion if the Western Ijaws in the proposed state. So long, they said, as the Rivers state was to consist of the River Province only, the Ibos would have been the most numerous tribe within it: but the inclusion of the Western Ijaw Division put them at a numerical disadvantage beside the Ijaws and they therefore preferred to stay out. Whether or not this was a line of reasoning that really had a wide appeal, the fact remain that before us they were opposed to the idea of the state. This is not surprising because their problems are different from those of the ijaws.” 20. “To include within a River state Ahoada and Port Harcourt, would, we believe, create a problem as acute as that with which we were asked to deal at present and and would be sharply resented by the Ibos of the central plateau.” ***"Copied from Elsewhere"*** 2 Likes |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by midnighter(f): 4:33pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
oyatz: Okay. Though like I keep saying, you will still see people from those areas who tell you they are Igbo. There are people from Delta who, if you ask them if they are Igbo, will just start laughing and not even answer you so the theories people are writing here don't always play out in real life. Plus I think the bolded is quote a one-dimensional statement. Tribes are not only there for political consolidation of power; tribal identities give rise to culture, heritage, outlook and societal organisation. Or as a question, nobody would give a hoot about tribe in relation to what ? If just with respect to politics, fine. But tribe and what comes of it are still important and it's not foolhardy or a waste of time to open up tribal or ethnic identity issues. Your second bolded is the grouse that a lot people in this thread have. For the advantages you listed in your penultimate statement, don't you think it will look to some people as if those so-called rejectors of Igbo identity are trying to eat their cake and have it too? Igbo enough to succeed in those endeavours but not Igbo enough to suffer the gross socioeconomic and political marginalisation that arose partly from them. 1 Like |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 4:35pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
pazienza: Ok, I think I get where you are coming from. It's good that you say you are only interested in identifying with Aniomas that identify with you. It's a better way for you to put it unlike the way I see some other SE Igbos who sit down in Aba and use a pair of scissors to be carving Anioma in and out by claiming that so so and so place will be in Biafra while others can join Yoruba or go to hell. Some will even tell you that when they take over Anioma, all the Anti-Igbos will be sent back to Benin . And I'm like, wow! How do you just divide a people who love themselves based on your own views & interests? Do not have a very myopic and tribalized view as an educated person. See, my virtue of being very inquisitive and loving of understanding cultures and origins, coupled with the fact that I grew up in Delta state and have lived with many Aniomas qualifies me to talk about Aniomas and even understand them better than an Aba person who has never crossed the Niger river and only knows about Anioma people based on what he sees online. The problem only comes in if I am biased (like I hate the Igbo ethnic group) hence my views would be highly biased. Secondly, my bringing in Hausa and middlebelt tribes into the comparison is not really to tell you that both situations are the same, rather it is more or less about to show you how a certain majority or large group sits down to divide a certain area which they do not really understand the differences, divisions and histories, simply based on their own opinions and selfishness. I have seen even Pro-Igbo Aniomas arguing with SE Igbos because these SE Igbos make erroneous claims about Anioma based on their own selfish interests. You can see a SE Igbo come out and say something like ''Any Anioma person who claims to be from Benin is a foöl''....... Now this is very very wrong because someone can be pro-Igbo and at the same time take pride in his/her Benin ancestry. So, this is where I am coming from. Thank you for appreciating other parts of my analysis. And just for the records, I know about the relationship of Ukwuanis & Oguta, Ogbaru people. I know about the relationship of Enuanis with Onitsha, Obosi e.t.c. I know about a lot of Igbo history, origins, migrations, wars e.t.c than most Igbos within the youth age actually know about themselves. Thanks to my Pal Osita Mordi |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Bigcowhorn: 4:39pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nobody: 4:39pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Nowenuse: You over meet and over interact and they will always have one negative thing to tell you. I give up on you. |
Re: Wike Conferred With The Title "Dike Oha" Of Ikwerre Ethnic Group by Nowenuse: 4:39pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
Osagyefo98: Wait bros, what is your argument here? Are you saying that there are no names peculiar to certain dialects of a larger tribe? Are you saying that people do not borrow the names of their neighbours? Cos even unrelated ethnic groups borrow each other's names, let alone people from the same ethnic group. Well, many Igbos here say you are an intruder and not an Igbo, so there's no need going further in this argument. |
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