pazienza:


Well naturally I don't like discussing Igbo issues with non Igbos, because it's usually pointless, but I make exceptions to this your post, so I'm going to reply you.

First and foremost, you will find out that the Anioma sentiment and identity is only strong in Enu-ani region, the Ika and Ukwuani are more interested in being independent of both Igbo and Anioma, and amongst the Ukwuani, there is also now a rejection of the Ukwuani tag, as those from Ndokwa East are claiming not to be Ukwuani but instead insist their ethnic group is "Ndiosumili".
So it's a confusion state in Ika and Ukwuani.

But the Enu-ani, who are the ones most Igbos in South East are interested in are overwhelming pro Igbo.
The Asagba of Asaba is a patron of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo and the late Ide Asaba, Achuzia was a two time secretary of the organization. The Igbo identity is pretty strong in Enuani and by no way 25% like you try to portray. It's more like 60% pro Igbo, 20% anti Igbo and 20% neutral.
The likes of Lauretta Onochie fall into the 20% Igbophobic.

midnighter:


The English people who went to America originally have descendants there now who still claim their English heritage several generations back.

In fact they make sure that their children marry from particular families so that they will keep their bloodline.

Halexgos3:

You are right bro. At least Igbos bear chukwu ebuka , Emeka but ikweres will want to copy that same name but in different styles something like Emeka for Emeke Chima for chinman. Those names are fakes

BULLIONVAN4:
Imagine a case whereby someone bearing "ifeanyi okocha" is convicted of crime, will you say he is Igbo or Anioma??(assuming his state/Lga of origin was not mentioned)

CSTR2:
I learnt today that mercy chinwo is ikwerre.
I was surprised. I was thinking anambra or abia.


That lady is more fluent and Igbo conscious than most Igbo ladies from Enugu state.

Osagyefo98:



I won't call you gossip because I hate to see men gossiping.

Women be are understandable but men...No


If I follow your logic which I don't want to I will clearly say Ondo state can't be even at 10 percent called a yoruba State.

pazienza:
Now, let's get something clear.

No well Igbo cares about Ikwerre. The only reason Igbos care about Ikwerre is the Igbo language they are mutilating.

If the Ikwerre can do the needful and revert back to their Bini language and start bearing Bini names, no Igbo would care anymore.

The ball is in Ikwerre court. Stop mutilating the Igbo language and return to your Bini language.

Show group esteem that your inferiority complex suffering Bini ancestors couldn't exhibit when they abandoned your Bini language for Igbo one, even without being colonized by Igbos.

Are you not ashamed that without the very Igbos you hate, you will have no language of your own? You are not ashamed of shamelessly copying and ridiculously trying to mask another man language as yours via re editing the language by addition and removal of consonants?

Halexgos3:

You are right bro. At least Igbos bear chukwu ebuka , Emeka but ikweres will want to copy that same name but in different styles something like Emeka for Emeke Chima for chinman. Those names are fakes

Nowenuse:


Wow, are you sure about your 2nd paragraph? I never knew any white Americans could take this ancestry thing that serious!

Nowenuse:


Aniomas are the ones who actually answer EMEKE, not Ikwerres. And in the case of Aniomas, I don't think it's fake. It's their dialect.

oyatz:
Sweet heart, different strokes for different folks. The histories, political evolutions and worldviews of different tribes are different, so what they take to be important will also be different.
It seems Igbos need more populations/lands through irredentism, Hausa-Fulani have gained this large population through a complex mix of cultural assimilation, religion and conquests.

The Yorubas have coalesced into a single formidable group through trade and Empire building.

Before British colonialism, the Igbos didn't build centralized large States. Their level of political organization didn't go beyond the village level. Each village operated independently of the other.

The Hausa-Fulani and the Yorubas on the other had pre-colonial Empires, City States, large kingdoms and Confederations of small States which brought most of their people under centralized political authorities and promoting a sense of nationalism.

1) There are several Nigerian languages that have gone into extinction especially in the North. E.g Tangale and Ajawa languages in Bauchi State, Gamo- Nungi in Bauchi State, Bassa-Gumma in Nigeria Start. These people switched to Hausa Language but it doesn't mean the people disappeared.

2) All over the world new tribes emerged from previously existing tribes.
E.g Seminole tribe of Florida= Native American Muscogees+ Black skaves.

Aja People of Benin Republic= Yoruba+ Fon/Ewe

Ikwerre= Igbo+ Ijaw+ Bini

Itshekiri= Yoruba+ Edo+ European traders


3) We need to do away with the use of ethnic groups as a mean of climbing the social ladder in Nigieria. People should be judged by their individual attributes instead of tribal affiliation.

midnighter:


I'm not referring to the vast majority. I meant very old, wealthy families

And it's not restricted to just English heritage, but marrying out must be justified. Just like the elites we have in Nigeria

HopeAtHand:
Here we go again.

This Ikwerre is/isnt Igbo debate which has been condemned to perpetual arguing online is again tossed on the front burner, courtesy of a traditional title conferred on Wike.

As an Ikwerre, I'd say that there is a close relationship between the Igbo culture/Language and that of the Ikwerres. This is a result of the nature of interaction Ikwerres had with Igbo's and can be divided into the pre-colonial and colonial era.

In pre-colonial era, the interaction is usually attributed to factors chiefly being proximity, the settlement of large number of Aros within Ikwerre villages and communities and to a lesser extent, buying of slaves from Igbo hinterland. Let me at this point inform that Igbo's roughly outnumber Ikwerres 8 to 1. When a relatively smaller ethnicity settled close to a much larger one, they naturally run the risk of losing a good part of their language and culture to the much larger one, especially to a notoriously dominant ethnicity such as the Igbo. Ikwerres found themselves in that situation and continued with life.

Then in the colonial era, the British carved Nigeria into regions and Ikwerre was in Eastern region and Igbo as the major language was used in schools, hospitals, offices and churches and Ikwerres had no option but to learn. To give you an example, gather Igbo's and teach them Hausa in schools and use same language in churches and markets and hospitals for over 40yrs and see if you wouldn't effectively change their lives. The only adjustment th British made fo Ikwerres was introduction of Ikwerre Union Bible Bible in Churches for the Ikwerres to properly understand the word of God.

Now a certain poster Abagworo talked about sincerity in ironing out this Ikwerre/Igbo debate. on that point, I'd say Ikwerres have sincerely and stedfastly stated during colonial times that they aren't Igbo's. The British refused to listen, the British were more interested in cut-and-join administration of people. Yet, we vehemently rejected being called Igbo, we went to Willinks commission on minority ethnicities to present our case and also played actived roles for the formation of COR state. I am stating this for those who claimed Ikwerres were comfortable with being Igbo's before civil war. They can research the net and see how far we have come in our quest for distinct recognition.

We have no particular issues with Igbo's except our desire to be known as Ikwerres which w rightly are. That isn't a bad thing by any means.

We may now share same Language and Culture but our Origins ar different. And the difference In Origin also affect our difference in character as a people.

Please, Igbo's should disabuse thei minds of unnecessary sentiments and move on.

Peace.

cc: Pazienza, Osagyefo98, jimyjames et al.

pazienza:
How exactly can someone compare the Northern minorities who were subjected under the Fulani Caliphate and forced to Use Hausa language , as Hausa was the ligua franca of The Fulani Caliphate in Nigeria with Ndiigbo ? Even most of the minorities in North still have their non Hausa related indigenous languages intact and only use Hausa language as a lingual fraca to communicate with each other.

Ndiigbo were never empire builders, we never at any point ruled over non Igbo speaking neighbors or imposed our language on them. Rather we had to deal with Igala invasion of Igbo groups from the North and Bini invasion Of Igbo groups from the West. We were the ones who had to deal with colonialism attempts of our Monarchical Bini and Igala neighbours, and not the other way round.

The Ikwerre claim the Igbo imposed the Igbo language they currently speak through colonialism during the Eastern region that lasted from 1938-1966, and was ruled by Igbos between 1960-66( just 6years), yet there are many documented colonial archives that shows that Ikwerre were already speaking the current Igbo language they speak when the first white man arrived Nigeria.

Moreover, Ikwerre are not the only minority groups surrounding Ndiigbo. We have native Igala, Kele and Idoma speakers within South East as we speak, Ndiigbo couldn't make them(just few villages) to abandon their Languages for Igbo language, how then could we have done that to Ikwerre with hundreds of villages, and all this without colonizing them? Not even the most powerful empire in modern history, the British empire, was able to make indigenous people of Africa, abandon their indigenous languages and adopt English as mother tongue, but the shameless Bini people of Ikwerre are claiming Ndiigbo made them dump Bini language for Igbo language.
English language has been the language of instruction in Nigerian schools since 1914, yet not a single Nigerian group has changed their indigenous language to English and no longer speak their own indigenous language. But this is exactly what the Bini people of Ikwerre are trying to insinuate Ndiigbo did to them. That Ndiigbo used Igbo language to teach in Ikwerre schools and that British missionaries used Igbo Christians and slaves to teach them bible, and that it was at that point that they stopped being Edoid speakers and became Igboid speakers.
They say this with bold face, even their intellectuals, when they know that there exists colonial archives of the language the Ikwrerre were speaking when the British arrived this shores, and it has always been their current Igboid one.

Ndiigbo have many other minorities in Eastern region . The Ogoni, Annang, Ibibio, Yala, Ogoja, Gakem, Andoni, Engenni, etc. None of these groups, many of who are smaller than Ikwerre. Surprisingly we couldn't get these groups to abandon their indigenous non Igbo related languages for Igbo ones, but only did so with Ikwerre, even when no evidence of such exists.

Nowenuse:


Wow! This is enlightening.

I am not Igbo, but a middlebelter (I am saying this cos I don't want you to take my question as an Igbo person trying to force Igbo identity on you).

My question is this.
Were you Ikwerres speaking a very distinct language from Igbo language in the past, before you people were influenced by Igbos during precolonial and colonial times?
If yes, please can you show me some proofs on this?

Southern Kaduna & Bauchi people are both neighbours of Hausas. Same precolonial and colonial influence of cut and join was done upon them by the British and today they all speak Hausa (some as a 1st language and others as a 2nd language).

The thing is that even in Bauchi where majority accepted Islam and hausanization was strongest, we can still see the traces of the minority languages. In the interior rural villages, elderly people still speak/spoke these native languages.
The last surviving speaker of Bure language in Bauchi, an old woman I think died a few years ago...

I always heard stories that the people of Birnin Gwari LGA in Kaduna state were originally Gwari people who have now become Hausas. I wasn't sure of this, not until I saw a British colonial record of ethnic groups in Northern Nigeria and it was clearly written by the British that the elders in Birnin Gwari still spoke Gbagyi language as at the 1920s. Then I was fully satisfied.

This is why I am asking you, can we see any form of record or evidence that Ikwerre people were very distinct from Igbos? Thank you.

And please enlighten me more about the COR agitation of minorities in the old Eastern region.

Middlebelt minorities also submitted their request to the Willinks Comission in 1959 for an independent region from the north, but it was heavily ignored. So I am really interested in that of the Eastern minorities. Thanks.

midnighter:


How were Igbos naked...there are clear photos online of what Igbos used to wear in days of old...please don't be an illiterate..

How can we have words for clothes, caps and attire if we didn't wear any smh

Nowenuse:
The active pro-Igbos are the Igbuzors, Ogwash, Okpanam and parts of Asaba, e.t.c. You can hardly differentiate these ones from the Igbos in the SE. They are pro Igbo and Igbotic to the core. Most of them don't even give you the 'Delta-Igbo bullshit'. Ask them their tribe and they tell you IGBO!
The passive pro-Igbos in Enuani have some sort of inferiority or maybe that is just the way they are, I don't know. They accept being Igbo, but they hardly want to speak Igbo in public and with people from the SE. They do not openly flaunt their Igboness with pride unlike the active pro-Igbos.

I will never forget the time when a list of all the students in my level and facculty was posted on the notice board and people were identified with their ethnic languages, oboy, come and see identity crisis among Aniomas!!
You will see people from the same LGA, yet some will say they are Igbo, some Ndokwa, some Ukwani, some Kwale, some Ika, some Agbor and many other appellations. I mean, what kind of embarrassment is this?

midnighter:


Well, I can level with you on all of this except that

- The words "Deutsch" and "Dutch" are in no way pronounced the same, though I got your point.

- Dutch people are Germanic but not German. The history of Germany and its tribes, kingdoms and invasions is more complicated than that. In fact even English people share some ancestry with Germans and English is classed as a Germanic language

But as I said, I get your point. In the case of border communities and nations that are literally right next to each other, you will always get some mixing of languages and cultures until people on either sides of the boundary are indistinguishable from each other.

The issue of south-south divisions doesn't just affect Igbos, it affects almost all the groups in that area when they keep dividing themselves into smaller and smaller sub-groups, rightly or wrongly.

Imagine how much more political leverage Efik, Ibibio and all the sub-groups would have if they weren't so disparate

Nowenuse:


My question is this.
Were you Ikwerres speaking a very distinct language from Igbo language in the past, before you people were influenced by Igbos during precolonial and colonial times?
If yes, please can you show me some proofs on this?

Southern Kaduna & Bauchi people are both neighbours of Hausas. Same precolonial and colonial influence of cut and join was done upon them by the British and today they all speak Hausa (some as a 1st language and others as a 2nd language).

The thing is that even in Bauchi where majority accepted Islam and hausanization was strongest, we can still see the traces of the minority languages. In the interior rural villages, elderly people still speak/spoke these native languages.
The last surviving speaker of Bure language in Bauchi, an old woman I think died a few years ago...

I always heard stories that the people of Birnin Gwari LGA in Kaduna state were originally Gwari people who have now become Hausas. I wasn't sure of this, not until I saw a British colonial record of ethnic groups in Northern Nigeria and it was clearly written by the British that the elders in Birnin Gwari still spoke Gbagyi language as at the 1920s. Then I was fully satisfied.

This is why I am asking you, can we see any form of record or evidence that Ikwerre people were very distinct from Igbos? Thank you.

And please enlighten me more about the COR agitation of minorities in the old Eastern region.

Middlebelt minorities also submitted their request to the Willinks Comission in 1959 for an independent region from the north, but it was heavily ignored. So I am really interested in that of the Eastern minorities. Thanks.

oyatz:
Nigeria and indeed most African countries have great problems of ethnic tension because of the long lasting legacies of European colonialism which make tribal identities the basis of sharing national wealth, powers and privileges in artificially created heterogeneous countries.
It is the basis of civil wars, political instabilities and corruption in many African Countries.

If individual merits are largely used in sharing national wealth, political powers and privileges in these countries, nobody will give a hoot about tribes.


In Nigeria, the Fulani ethnic group have mastered the art of Statecraft. Even though they themselves are a minority recently settled ethnic group in Nigeria, have succeeded in forging an amalgam of diversed tribes into the largest power block headed by them.

They achieved these between 1804-1903 by conquering different tribes, encouraged them to forgo their tribal identities and embrace a new identity; the Islamic identity which unify everybody in Theocratic States called EMIRATES, many of which are joined together in a Confederacy called the SOKOTO Caliphate.

The British Colonialists met this structure and strengthened it by creating a larger political entity encompassing two thirds of Nigieria called Northern Region and handed it over to the Fulani rulers.

The Igbos on the other hand doesn't have this advantage. Similar tribes like the Anioma, Etche, Ekpeye and Ikwerre suppose to coalesce into the greater Igbo super ethnic group but they refuse to do so and this was magnified by the defeat of the Igbos in the Civil war with reverberating consequences.

However, the nature of life is that you can't always win on all sides. Those who are disadvantaged in one side are advantaged in other areas.

The Fulani have advantages in politics and powers but great disadvantages in education and modern indices of development. The Igbos have advantages in education, commerce and enjoy higher quality of life than most of their compatriots.

Fortunately, everything is subjected to change and things are changing nowadays.

Nowenuse:


Yes you are very correct. Ndokwa east (Ndosimili people) are not Ukwuanis.

Actually I have asked some Igbophobic Ikas & Ukwanis on the Anioma matter. You are not too correct in the sense that these people actually love a joint Anioma identity, but they are afraid that it is a pro-Igbo identity and it will further drag them towards being Igbo. Besides this, they have no problem with being Anioma.

Some of these Igbophobic Ikas & Ukwanis even reject the DELTA IGBO tag and to be honest, this is the identity with which most Edo & Deltans from other tribes tag them and most of them normally accept it.

Pls for the records, I never said Pro Igbos are 25% in Enuani. I said 25% in Anioma as a whole.
Of course Enuanis are predominantly pro Igbo. Especially Igbuzor, Okpanam & Ogwashi-Uku.
The first time I went to Ogwash, it felt like I was in the SE. A very close friend and church member of mine was from Igbuzor and men, this guy was even more Igbotic than our pastor who was from Imo state .
Anti Igbos are like 20-25% in Enuani. However, I think the 80% pro Igbo in Enuani is divided into 2 categories. The active pro-Igbos and the passive pro-Igbos.
The active pro-Igbos are the Igbuzors, Ogwash, Okpanam and parts of Asaba, e.t.c. You can hardly differentiate these ones from the Igbos in the SE . They are pro Igbo and Igbotic to the core. Most of them don't even give you the 'Delta-Igbo bullshit'. Ask them their tribe and they tell you IGBO!
The passive pro-Igbos in Enuani have some sort of inferiority or maybe that is just the way they are, I don't know. They accept being Igbo, but they hardly want to speak Igbo in public and with people from the SE. They do not openly flaunt their Igboness with pride unlike the active pro-Igbos.

This is just the same way you have the active anti-Igbos and passive anti-Igbos among Ikas, Ndokwas and even Enuani.

The passive anti-Igbos reject Igbo identity but they do not do it with hatred, bitterness and anger. They acknowledge kinship and relationship with Igbos, but they will emphasize the differences. If you can talk enough sense into these ones and explain to them why they should be Igbo, they could accept passively.

While the active anti-Igbos are the ones who show serious hatred towards Igbo identity and would not mind insulting and fighting over it. These ones do not mind rewriting history to show how Bini they are

Anioma people are just very funny to me. The worst part is that even within the same Anioma family, you find the different categories.

You can find an Anioma family where the father is passively pro Igbo, the mother is actively anti-Igbo because she had a quarrel with an Igbo woman or an Igbo woman tried to snatch her husband . The son actively pro-Igbo cos he learnt their history online and is more aware, while the daughters are not even interested in the topic of being Igbo or not and do not care.

This is why it is wrong for you to say you Igbos are only interested in Enuani because all Aniomas are interrelated and intertwined by history, culture and everything.
You cannot really divide them based on pro-Igbo and anti-Igboness. There are Ika & Ndokwa people who are very much pro Igbo and ready to die for the Igbo nation. What do you do about them? Osita Mordi my beloved friend is one of them.
To the Anioma people themselves, most of them do not even see this 'being Igbo or not topic' as a big issue, cos they know they are one family irrespective of their opinions. It is more of an issue to the SE people and I very much understand why.

This is somehow the same way Hausa-fulanis try to divide middlebelt and northern minority tribes based on religion, it doesn't work in most cases cos many of these tribes are 50/50 and intertwined. They now end up calling these tribal muslims fake muslims because these ones love their cultures and cannot kill for islam or practice sharia law .


For me, I think Anioma leaders, stakeholders and traditional leaders should come together once and for all and decide what they want to be in order to end all these to and fro arguments and divisions.
Isokos did it and rejected Urhobo identity and Urhobos accept it today and identify them separately, same thing with Itsekiris and Yoruba.

I will never forget the time when a list of all the students in my level and facculty was posted on the notice board and people were identified with their ethnic languages, oboy, come and see identity crisis among Aniomas!!
You will see people from the same LGA, yet some will say they are Igbo, some Ndokwa, some Ukwani, some Kwale, some Ika, some Agbor and many other appellations. I mean, what kind of embarrassment is this?

Cc midnighter

This is somehow the same way Hausa-fulanis try to divide middlebelt and northern minority tribes based on religion, it doesn't work in most cases cos many of these tribes are 50/50 and intertwined. They now end up calling these tribal muslims fake muslims because these ones love their cultures and cannot kill for islam or practice sharia law .

Osagyefo98:



Your logic and sampling is skewed based on your interactions with few which I always summarize as lies.


Even in kwale they answer Emeke, Emeka, Chukwuemeka...Ugochukwu, Orji.., onyekachukwu...

All are still their names.

midnighter:


Thank you ooo. Ha. I guess you were busy eating rice yesterday because we could have used your help trying to reason with these people

I keep asking where they got that language from since its not Igbo but there's no answer

Even those zango kattaf (spelling) who they have trying to wipe from the face of the earth can still speak their language, PLUS HAUSA.

How much more ikwerres who are even more fortunate than most Igbo states? So where is the mysterious language for crying out loud

midnighter:


Thank you, This is what I was trying to tell that guy, people identify as so many things yet he's acting like they've suddenly had some reawakening and realised that they can't possibly be Igbo when you can meet somebody from any of those places who will never be annoyed with you for classing him as an Igbo, whether he came from Benin or wherever or not.

Nowenuse:


See, larger dialects always swallow up smaller dialects within the same language.

Many Ondo & Ekiti people answer Oyo dialect Yoruba names today in addition to their own dialect names, but they know the ones that originally belong to their native dialects.

Same with Aniomas. There are Igbo names that are aboriginal to Anioma dialects and those that aren't.

Nowenuse:


See, larger dialects always swallow up smaller dialects within the same language.

Many Ondo & Ekiti people answer Oyo dialect Yoruba names today in addition to their own dialect names, but they know the ones that originally belong to their native dialects.

Same with Aniomas. There are Igbo names that are aboriginal to Anioma dialects and those that aren't.

......

And please enlighten me more about the COR agitation of minorities in the old Eastern region.

Middlebelt minorities also submitted their request to the Willinks Comission in 1959 for an independent region from the north, but it was heavily ignored. So I am really interested in that of the Eastern minorities. Thanks.

oyatz:
Nigeria and indeed most African countries have great problems of ethnic tension because of the long lasting legacies of European colonialism which make tribal identities the basis of sharing national wealth, powers and privileges in artificially created heterogeneous countries.
It is the basis of civil wars, political instabilities and corruption in many African Countries.

If individual merits are largely used in sharing national wealth, political powers and privileges in these countries, nobody will give a hoot about tribes.


In Nigeria, the Fulani ethnic group have mastered the art of Statecraft. Even though they themselves are a minority recently settled ethnic group in Nigeria, have succeeded in forging an amalgam of diversed tribes into the largest power block headed by them.

They achieved these between 1804-1903 by conquering different tribes, encouraged them to forgo their tribal identities and embrace a new identity; the Islamic identity which unify everybody in Theocratic States called EMIRATES, many of which are joined together in a Confederacy called the SOKOTO Caliphate.

The British Colonialists met this structure and strengthened it by creating a larger political entity encompassing two thirds of Nigieria called Northern Region and handed it over to the Fulani rulers.

The Igbos on the other hand doesn't have this advantage. Similar tribes like the Anioma, Etche, Ekpeye and Ikwerre suppose to coalesce into the greater Igbo super ethnic group but they refuse to do so and this was magnified by the defeat of the Igbos in the Civil war with reverberating consequences.

However, the nature of life is that you can't always win on all sides. Those who are disadvantaged in one side are advantaged in other areas.

The Fulani have advantages in politics and powers but great disadvantages in education and modern indices of development. The Igbos have advantages in education, commerce and enjoy higher quality of life than most of their compatriots.

Fortunately, everything is subjected to change and things are changing nowadays.

pazienza:



Your long post strongly emphasizes why it's pointless engaging in these issues with non Igbos.
You are obviously not knowledgeable enough about these issues to engage in it. To be able to reasonably understand this issue, you need to be an Igbo who has lived in these Igboid parts or an Igboid who has lived in South East.



This is somehow the same way Hausa-fulanis try to divide middlebelt and northern minority tribes based on religion, it doesn't work in most cases cos many of these tribes are 50/50 and intertwined. They now end up calling these tribal muslims fake muslims because these ones love their cultures and cannot kill for islam or practice sharia law .

The above doesn't make sense. There is no analogy whatever between Igbo and Anioma and Middle belt and Hausa-Fulani. The Igbo speak same indigenous language with these Igboid groups, the Hausa-fulani don't speak the same language with middle belt groups. Even middle belt groups are very heterogeneous and don't
speak the same language.
Secondly , no Igbo person is seeking to divide Anioma, we are simply identifying with those who identify with us, who happens to be mainly those of them in Enu-ani, many of us are tired of reaching out to Ika and Ukwuani.


Additionally, The Enuani and Ukwuani are intertwined with Ika, as much as the Ukwuani are entwined with Igbos in Ogbaru LGA of Anambra, and the with the Igbos in Oguta LGA.
If you are Igbo, you would know this and will not go off tangent with the narrative of Igbos trying to disunite Anioma.

Nevertheless, you tried in other parts of your analysis of the issue.

OgaBuhari:

OgaBuhari:

Nowenuse:


Ok, I think I get where you are coming from. It's good that you say you are only interested in identifying with Aniomas that identify with you.

[s]It's a better way for you to put it unlike the way I see some other SE Igbos who sit down in Aba and use a pair of scissors to be carving Anioma in and out by claiming that so so and so place will be in Biafra while others can join Yoruba or go to hell. Some will even tell you that when they take over Anioma, all the Anti-Igbos will be sent back to Benin .
And I'm like, wow! How do you just divide a people who love themselves based on your own views & interests?[/s]

Do not have a very myopic and tribalized view as an educated person.
See, my virtue of being very inquisitive and loving of understanding cultures and origins, coupled with the fact that I grew up in Delta state and have lived with many Aniomas qualifies me to talk about Aniomas and even understand them better than an Aba person who has never crossed the Niger river and only knows about Anioma people based on what he sees online.

The problem only comes in if I am biased (like I hate the Igbo ethnic group) hence my views would be highly biased.

Secondly, my bringing in Hausa and middlebelt tribes into the comparison is not really to tell you that both situations are the same, rather it is more or less about to show you how a certain majority or large group sits down to divide a certain area which they do not really understand the differences, divisions and histories, simply based on their own opinions and selfishness.

I have seen even Pro-Igbo Aniomas arguing with SE Igbos because these SE Igbos make erroneous claims about Anioma based on their own selfish interests.

You can see a SE Igbo come out and say something like ''Any Anioma person who claims to be from Benin is a foöl''....... Now this is very very wrong because someone can be pro-Igbo and at the same time take pride in his/her Benin ancestry.
So, this is where I am coming from.

Thank you for appreciating other parts of my analysis.

And just for the records, I know about the relationship of Ukwuanis & Oguta, Ogbaru people. I know about the relationship of Enuanis with Onitsha, Obosi e.t.c.
I know about a lot of Igbo history, origins, migrations, wars e.t.c than most Igbos within the youth age actually know about themselves.
Thanks to my Pal Osita Mordi

Osagyefo98:



Pure lies because a list of their names hardly shows such...Is it obi of kwale or should I say Okpalaukwu...That's the name of the stool or does it mean a certain real name was also swallowed.


What you said is a figment of your Imagination not the fact on ground.


Even there they still answer Ojiuzor, chukwudi, Ifeanyi, Chibuzor, Anulika and the rest..

Such are their names and who they are..


Your meeting two or three people and base your logic on that is a bad research.

For this it is figment of your Imagination not facts.