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Osagyefo98:
You even has the mind snd hand to be dragging Igbo language with me.........Are you this mean?

Igbos didn't migrate from Isreal...Stop spraying fallacy and hearsay...

Ikwerre migrated from Benin and by right benin language is their right language .

Even suppose to be speaking Benin or start now to learn it.

Bros, Igbos migrated from Israel.
Igbo language has plenty in common with Hebrew language.
Show us what Ikwerre language has in common with Bini language

cc lzaa gmbuharii helinues

JudasNaCarrot:
Hater.....take it easy before heart attack send you to early grave.

Una too like to dominate everywhere you people go.

Shut up there.
Please feel free to send your stupid heart attack n thunder
If it pains you, hustle harder

AceRoot:
I am sorry if I am intruding here, but I hope you really can read through it all with an open mind.

WILLINK REPORT 1958 EXCERPTS.:

THE HISTORICAL AND POLITICAL BACKGROUND.

1. “More than 98% of people who inhabit this area (the ‘Ibo Plateau’ of the Eastern region) are Ibo and speak one language, though of course with certain differences of dialect. There are nearly five million of them and they are too many for the soil to support: they are vigorous and intelligent and have pushed outward in every direction, seeking a livelihood by trade or in service in the surrounding areas of the Eastern Region, in the Western Region, in the North and outside Nigeria. They are no more popular with their neighbours than is usual in the case of an energetic and expanding people whose neighbours have a more leisurely outlook on life.”

2. “Though there has been no great kingdom or indigenous culture in the Eastern Region, the coastal chiefs grew on their trade with the (European merchant) ships and they adopted customs, clothing and housing more advanced than those of the peoples of the interior on whom they had at first preyed for slaves. They came during the 19th Century to regard the people of the interior as backward and ignorant, and it was therefore a blow to their pride, as well as to their pockets, when the Ibos began to push outwards into the surrounding fringe of the country and particularly into the Calabar area, to take up land, to grow rich, to own houses and lorries and occupy posts in public services and in the services of large trading firms.”

“It was among the Ibos, formerly despised by the people of Calabar as source of slaves and as a backward people of the interior, now feared and disliked as energetic and educated, that the first political party formed.”

3. “It is important to remember that of this (Ogoja) Province’s 1,082,000 inhabitants, 723,000 are Ibos, almost entirely in Abakaliki and Afikpo (Divisions), while the census classifies 350,000 as “Other Nigerian Tribes.”

4. The Rivers Province …includes the two divisions of Brass and Degema, both overwhelmingly Ijaw, and the Ogoni Division. The former Rivers Division also includes over 300,000 Ibos of whom 250,000 are in Ahoada Division and 45,000 in Port Harcourt. Port Harcourt is a town of recent growth and of rapidly increasing importance; it is built on land that blonged originally to an outlying branch of the Ibo tribe, the Diobus, but is largely inhabited by the Ibos from the interior who have come to trade or seek employment….Of the total 747,000 in the Rivers province, 305,000 are Ibos, 240,000 are Ijaws and 156,000 are Ogonis.”

5. “The strip to the south of the Ibo block, is physically, divided by a block of Ibo territory, tipped by the important Ibo town of Port Harcourt and tribally divided between the Ijaws and the Ogonis.”

6. “In the whole of this non-Ibo area there is present in varying degree some fear of being over-run, commercially and politically, by the Ibos….. if Ahoada and Port Harcourt, which are really Ibo, are considered with the solid centre of Ibo population, there are 54 seats for the Ibo area and 30 for COR (Calabar, Ogoja and Rivers) in (Eastern Regional House of Assembly).”

THE FEARS AND GRIEVANCES OF MINORITIES

7. “It was suggested (by non-Ibo petitioners) that it was the deliberate object of the Ibo majority in the Region to fill every post with Ibos (in public post and services).….when, however we came to consider specific complaints about the composition of public bodies, we found them in many cases exaggerated or unreasonable.”

8. “The allegation was put forward by counsel (to petitioners) that the Judiciary (when not European) was predominantly Ibo, with the implication that this caused fear among those who are not Ibos. But it was clearly stated in evidence by Dr. Udoma, the leader of UNIP, that no occasion could be adduced of the judiciary acting with partiality. The fact is that the legal profession is largely Ibos and the reasons for this do not seem to be Government action. It is therefore inevitable that there should be an Ibo preponderance among Judges and Magistrates. Further, it is the declared policy of Government that the Judiciary should be federal and this does not indicate a desire to control it. Again, the operation and composition of Public Service Commission here, as in the West, appeared to us in no way open to reproach.”

9. “In the Police, which in this region alone is wholly Federal, the number of Ibos in the higher appointments is not out of proportion to the Ibos in the region. The force is now federally controlled and although there are a large number of Ibos in the lower ranks, this is due to the fact that it has for long been a tradition among the Ibos to offer themselves for recruitment in this force in far greater numbers than any other tribe.”

10. “we noted that in five years, 1952 – 1957, from a total of 412 secondary scholarships, 216 were awarded to persons living in the COR areas, while the figures for post-secondary scholarships were 211 out of 623. The latter is about the right proportion of one-third, the former considerably in excess. It was suggested that scholarships awarded to non-Ibos were of an inferior kind and that the best scholarships went to Ibos, but we were, unable to see that this claim held any validity. On the evidence before us, we conclude that the allegations of discriminations in the matter of scholarships are unjustified.”

11. “It was further suggested that loans by the Eastern Regional Finance Corporation, the Eastern Region Development Board, and the Eastern Region Development Corporation were made with some degree of preference to Ibos. It did appear that most of the loans made by these bodies were to Ibos, but that is not to say that this was necessarily improper. Ibos constitute two thirds of the population of the region and have a bigger share of financial and commercial responsibility than their numbers warrant.”

12. “That there should be modern streetlight in Onitsha, and not Calabar, was also quoted as example of discrimination; it proved however that Onitsha Urban District Council had financed this measure from their own resources.”

13. “The question of land was repeatedly raised, it being resented by the Efiks and Ibibios that the Ibos should acquire land at all in their territory while the methods by which it was obtained were also questioned. There is no doubt that on the Ibo Plateau there is insufficient land for the people and the Ibos ate thrusting outwards where possible they acquire land and use it either for cultivation or building…..This is a matter which will require legislation sooner or later and it will be delicate to handle, but the economic process is in itself healthy and we had little sympathy with a witness who remarked that there is much undeveloped land in district and he was anxious that it should not fall into the hand of the Ibos….We believe that Governments in Nigeria should be careful not to try to protect minorities by introducing measures that would restrict development.”

14. “A group of miscellaneous grievances and charges against the Ibos from Calabar may be treated together; we were told that the Ibos did not observe local customs in the markets….We formed the impression that jealousy of the Ibos successes in the markets was the main factor.”

THE PROPOSAL FOR NEW STATES

15. “The Ogoja state proposed to us would include former Ogoja province, whose population of slightly more than One million include more than 700,000 Ibos…the main intention would be separation from the central body of Ibo population, but in which they will still be linked together with as a minority with their Ibo neighbours in Abakaliki and Afikpo…A majority of evidence we heard from Ogoja was direct that they preferred the present situation to any association with Calabar and that they were at least as much afraid of domination by Efiks and Ibibios as by Ibos.”

16. “The (Calabar, Ogoja and Rivers or COR) state proposed would consist of Calabar, Rivers and Ogoja provinces excluding the two Ibo Divisions of Abakaliki and Afikpo. The population of this area is 2,649,000 and the following would be the five largest tribes:

Ibibio 717,000
Annang 435,000
Ibo 428,000
Ijaw 251,000
Ogoni 156,000

As already explained, the small but important Efik tribe of 71,000…The (COR) area is far from homogenous , and many of the other tribes expressed at least as much fear of the Efiks and Ibibios as of the Ibo. It would leave the Ibos of the Ibo Plateau surrounded by a state whose reason for existence was hostility to themselves: the Ibos are an expanding people…”

17. “The area claimed for Rivers state consists of the whole of the Rivers province, that is: The Division of Brass, Degema, Ogoni, Port Harcourt and Ahoada, together with the Western Ijaw Division from the western region, and two small sections in the Eastern Region from outside the Rivers Province, Opodo and Andoni being one, Ndoki the other.”

18. “Port Harcourt is an Ibo town and it is growing rapidly and the indigenous branch of the Ibos who are original inhabitants are already out-numbered by Ibos from the hinterland.”

19. “The people of Ahoada, a Division of which a pan runs down to meet Port Harcourt, appear at one time to have favoured the idea of a Rivers state, but have changed their views and before us expressed themselves as strongly against it. Comparatively few of them live in the low-lying swampy country of the coastal strip and they have voted for the NCNC consistently, they said themselves that a main factor in their change of front had been the inclusion if the Western Ijaws in the proposed state. So long, they said, as the Rivers state was to consist of the River Province only, the Ibos would have been the most numerous tribe within it: but the inclusion of the Western Ijaw Division put them at a numerical disadvantage beside the Ijaws and they therefore preferred to stay out. Whether or not this was a line of reasoning that really had a wide appeal, the fact remain that before us they were opposed to the idea of the state. This is not surprising because their problems are different from those of the ijaws.”

20. “To include within a River state Ahoada and Port Harcourt, would, we believe, create a problem as acute as that with which we were asked to deal at present and and would be sharply resented by the Ibos of the central plateau.”

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Wow! Where did you get this from?

Pls I would like to see the source. It's very interesting.

Nowenuse:
Yes you are very correct. Ndokwa east (Ndosimili people) are not Ukwuanis.

Actually I have asked some Igbophobic Ikas & Ukwanis on the Anioma matter. You are not too correct in the sense that these people actually love a joint Anioma identity, but they are afraid that it is a pro-Igbo identity and it will further drag them towards being Igbo. Besides this, they have no problem with being Anioma.

Some of these Igbophobic Ikas & Ukwanis even reject the DELTA IGBO tag and to be honest, this is the identity with which most Edo & Deltans from other tribes tag them and most of them normally accept it.

Pls for the records, I never said Pro Igbos are 25% in Enuani. I said 25% in Anioma as a whole.
Of course Enuanis are predominantly pro Igbo. Especially Igbuzor, Okpanam & Ogwashi-Uku.
The first time I went to Ogwash, it felt like I was in the SE. A very close friend and church member of mine was from Igbuzor and men, this guy was even more Igbotic than our pastor who was from Imo state .
Anti Igbos are like 20-25% in Enuani. However, I think the 80% pro Igbo in Enuani is divided into 2 categories. The active pro-Igbos and the passive pro-Igbos.
The active pro-Igbos are the Igbuzors, Ogwash, Okpanam and parts of Asaba, e.t.c. You can hardly differentiate these ones from the Igbos in the SE . They are pro Igbo and Igbotic to the core. Most of them don't even give you the 'Delta-Igbo bullshit'. Ask them their tribe and they tell you IGBO!
The passive pro-Igbos in Enuani have some sort of inferiority or maybe that is just the way they are, I don't know. They accept being Igbo, but they hardly want to speak Igbo in public and with people from the SE. They do not openly flaunt their Igboness with pride unlike the active pro-Igbos.

This is just the same way you have the active anti-Igbos and passive anti-Igbos among Ikas, Ndokwas and even Enuani.

The passive anti-Igbos reject Igbo identity but they do not do it with hatred, bitterness and anger. They acknowledge kinship and relationship with Igbos, but they will emphasize the differences. If you can talk enough sense into these ones and explain to them why they should be Igbo, they could accept passively.

While the active anti-Igbos are the ones who show serious hatred towards Igbo identity and would not mind insulting and fighting over it. These ones do not mind rewriting history to show how Bini they are

Anioma people are just very funny to me. The worst part is that even within the same Anioma family, you find the different categories.

You can find an Anioma family where the father is passively pro Igbo, the mother is actively anti-Igbo because she had a quarrel with an Igbo woman or an Igbo woman tried to snatch her husband . The son actively pro-Igbo cos he learnt their history online and is more aware, while the daughters are not even interested in the topic of being Igbo or not and do not care.

This is why it is wrong for you to say you Igbos are only interested in Enuani because all Aniomas are interrelated and intertwined by history, culture and everything.
You cannot really divide them based on pro-Igbo and anti-Igboness. There are Ika & Ndokwa people who are very much pro Igbo and ready to die for the Igbo nation. What do you do about them? Osita Mordi my beloved friend is one of them.
To the Anioma people themselves, most of them do not even see this 'being Igbo or not topic' as a big issue, cos they know they are one family irrespective of their opinions. It is more of an issue to the SE people and I very much understand why.

This is somehow the same way Hausa-fulanis try to divide middlebelt and northern minority tribes based on religion, it doesn't work in most cases cos many of these tribes are 50/50 and intertwined. They now end up calling these tribal muslims fake muslims because these ones love their cultures and cannot kill for islam or practice sharia law .


For me, I think Anioma leaders, stakeholders and traditional leaders should come together once and for all and decide what they want to be in order to end all these to and fro arguments and divisions.
Isokos did it and rejected Urhobo identity and Urhobos accept it today and identify them separately, same thing with Itsekiris and Yoruba.

I will never forget the time when a list of all the students in my level and facculty was posted on the notice board and people were identified with their ethnic languages, oboy, come and see identity crisis among Aniomas!!
You will see people from the same LGA, yet some will say they are Igbo, some Ndokwa, some Ukwani, some Kwale, some Ika, some Agbor and many other appellations. I mean, what kind of embarrassment is this?

Cc midnighter

Your analysis makes sense.

kayfra:
Those are new words created post contact with Europeans. Your men had a string around their penis and that was pretty much it for clothing. No real clothing

Stop your stupidity, we have our native akwete, pure white hand woven materials, worn by adults.

Nowenuse:
Wow, you killed this analysis. I wish I could re-like this post of yours.

Fulanis have strong genes/origins from Semitic Berber/Arab people and probably this was the reason why they were naturally smarter than most pure Black Africans.

Actually, fulanis are using illiteracy as a tool to keep the pure unmixed Hausa masses in servitude and control. Cos I am very sure the moment Hausas become literate, they will start asking questions and this will lead to the dethronement of Fulanis.

Entreching illiteracy in the name of Islam, Fulanis are not genetically more intelligent, no race is.
But Hausas are too religious for reasoning.
But their sense is gradually returning. Think about what's happening in Zamfara.

Nowenuse:
Wait bros, what is your argument here?

Are you saying that there are no names peculiar to certain dialects of a larger tribe?
Are you saying that people do not borrow the names of their neighbours? Cos even unrelated ethnic groups borrow each other's names, let alone people from the same ethnic group.

Well, many Igbos here say you are an intruder and not an Igbo, so there's no need going further in this argument.

What they say is none of my business or in any way affect my pattern. I hardly took notice of them.

Your are the intruder and purveyor of falsehood.


I only answered you in relation to your divergent and negative view basing it solely on your always vicious circle of analyses that starts with "as I talked to two people from there, my coursemates from there, even at Aba I was told and I was imagining"


You always hear the negatives and stereotype it to suit your interest.


You like beating about the bush and always comparing nonsense which has no correlation.

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Ewedegubbler:
LoL..this Ikwere non Igbo nonsense is laughable. 90% of them are married to eastern igbos, Amaechi married from Enugwu Ukwu, Odili and many more. It is a standard practice that their children are sent to their maternal homes to get deeply entrenched into the Igbo culture and way of life so that they can be resourceful. Yet dem no be igbo.

This na just 419 wey Igbos do Nigeria in order for them to not lose Rivers to Alhamajeri and their slaves from the west..

Las Las Igbo Amaka
Edokpolo
Yoruba Ronu
Nigeria ajoka

Odili is not Ikwerre. He is Ndoni and he is not Igbo.

kendological:
Stop your stupidity, we have our native akwete, pure white hand woven materials, worn by adults.

That was not in existence prior to the colonials. Face facts. You were still largely naked even in the beginning of the 20th century

Nowenuse:
Nice one, this is also the reason why I find the Ikwerre claim of being a distinct group who were influenced by the Igbos highly questionable.

As I wrote above, not until we can see a form of document or proof of an ancient Ikwerre language very different from Igbo, then it cannot be true.


Just for the records... In your first paragraph, Hausa language did not spread amongst all Northern minorities due to subjugation of the caliphate.
How about Fulanis who were the conquerors who also lost and are still loosing their native Fulfude language to Hausa till date?

Kanuri used to be the lingua franca of the upper north-east cos they conquered the area but today it is Hausa and hausas did not conquer anywhere, rather fulanis did.

I'd say Hausa language spread by influence/trade and not really conquest or even colonialism. Although, the last 2 somehow promoted it.

because if we claim it was purely conquest or colonialism, how do we explain Hausa language being the lingua franca in Niger republic? All the non hausa tribes in Niger republic speak Hausa as a 2nd language, even up to the lightskinned Berbers in the north of the country close to Libya/Algeria.

The french who colonized Niger republic do not practice Indirect rule like the British and so couldn't have helped promote Hausa language there and neither did Fulani conquest affect Niger republic.

This is common sense bro.
Hausa consists 55% of Niger Republic population.
It's only natural that it became the most popular indigenous lingual franca amongst the 6 or there about languages in the Niger.
And mind you, groups who are not Hausa in Niger, only speak Hausa as a second language.

The Fulani adopted Hausa as the lingual franca of their vast Northern caliphate, while Fulfulde was only a language the Fulani elites used amongst themselves.

kendological:
Entreching illiteracy in the name of Islam, Fulanis are not genetically more intelligent, no race is.
But Hausas are too religious for reasoning.
But their sense is gradually returning. Think about what's happening in Zamfara.

Hausas' sense can never return until they become fully literate or predominantly literate like the south.

Actually, no culture or race is genetically more intelligent than the other. However, some cultures and races are highly more competitive and domineering than others.

niaralandtopuser:
they speak Igbo but don't see themselves as Igbo. some don't even agree what they speak is Igbo. I have seen someone who tells me what he speaks is Aboh not Igbo. some say what they speak is ukwuani, some Ika and many other names. some tell you Igbo may have influenced their culture and language but they are from Benin. you can't force them to be you when they don't want to be you. Delta is complicated. one of my biggest surprise is seeing an Isoko man as okpala ukwu (traditional ruler in two towns in ndokwa called Ashaka and igbuku . the okpala ukwu of Ashaka actually told me that majority of them migrated from ozoro but adopted the ukwuani language. he told me his ancestor was a prince in ozoro kingdom who migrated to Ashaka,

A good number of Isoko communities have Igbo ancestry but due to the prevalent Igbophobia, many of these communities are silent on their Igbo ancestry. Even thee founder of the Isokos, called Oputa/Opute, who was among the Eze Chima migratory group is said to have been Igbo speaking. I didn't come up with this. A Delta man, Okpevra, discussed this in his research work here:

https://www.academia.edu/39478223/IS_OZORO_AND_UZERE_CLANS_TRADITIONS_OF_ORIGIN_EDOID_OR_IGBOID

Download here: http://www.nsukkajournalofthehumanities.com/download.php?download_file=UNN-FAJH611.pdf

Some Isoko communities have been influenced by their Ndokwa neighbours as well, either through intermarriage or by living next to each other.

liberalchick:
Odili is not Ikwerre. He is Ndoni and he is not Igbo.

So Ndoni are now Bini people as well, okwa ya?

bigfrancis21:
A good number of Isoko communities have Igbo ancestry but due to the prevalent Igbophobia, many of these communities are silent on their Igbo ancestry. Even thee founder of the Isokos, who is called Oputa/Opute, who was among the Eze Chima migratory group is said to have been Igbo speaking. I didn't come up with this. A Delta man, Okpevra, discussed this in his research work here:

https://www.academia.edu/39478223/IS_OZORO_AND_UZERE_CLANS_TRADITIONS_OF_ORIGIN_EDOID_OR_IGBOID

Download here: http://www.nsukkajournalofthehumanities.com/download.php?download_file=UNN-FAJH611.pdf

Some Isoko communities have been influenced by their Ndokwa neighbours as well, either through intermarriage or by living next to each other.

Igbide in Isoko was founded by Igbos from Awka And Mgbidi.
They have assimilated as Isokos today and because they don't speak or bear Igbo names, you don't see Igbos claiming them.

This buttresses my point that if Igbo speaking but Bini claiming groups in SS change their names to Bini names and their language to Bini languages, Igbos will no longer be having this discussion of who is Igbo or who isn't with them.


Meanwhile, spam bot got my pazienza moniker, can you help me?

Igboid:
This is common sense bro.
Hausa consists 55% of Niger Republic population.
It's only natural that it became the most popular indigenous lingual franca amongst the 6 or there about languages in the North.
And mind you, groups who are not Hausa in Niger, only speak Hausa as a second language.

The Fulani adopted Hausa as the lingual franca of their vast Northern caliphate, while Fulfulde was only a language the Fulani elites used amongst themselves.

Niger republic is 40% Hausa. If it was 55% Hausa, they would have been dominating the country, however the Zarmas dominate the politics of the country.

Mind you, even groups who are not Hausa in Nigeria only speak Hausa as a 2nd language too.

I wouldn't say the Fulanis purposely adopted Hausa as the language of the caliphate. It happened naturally, same way the Mughal conquerors of India lost their languages to the language of the conquered majority. Same thinf in Persia.
If the conquerors of a people meet a larger population of natives who are well organized, most times it is the conquerors who loose their language and become culturally absorbed.


Fulfude was and to a smaller extent is still the lingua franca in certain areas of Adamawa, Gombe, Taraba and Northern Cameroon where fulanis conquered minority groups (who were smaller in size and less organized unlike the Hausa).
There are many Adamawa and to a lesser extent Gombe & Taraba people from different tribes who have adopted fulfude as their mother tongue and others who speak it as a 2nd language while Hausa as a 3rd language....

So you are wrong

Igboid:
Igbide in Isoko was founded by Igbos from Awka And Mgbidi.
They have assimilated as Isokos today and because they don't speak or bear Igbo names, you don't see Igbos claiming them.

This buttresses my point that if Igbo speaking but Bini claiming groups in SS change their names to Bini names and their language to Bini languages, Igbos will no longer be having this discussion of who is Igbo or who isn't with them.


Meanwhile, spam bot got my pazienza moniker, can you help me?

Not only Igbide. There are up to 3 or 4 towns in Ndokwa east and Isoko north where this happened.
In one of these towns, I think IBREDE is the name, Isokos migrated there in large numbers and outnumbered the Ndokwas, after some time, the Ndokwas lost their language to the majority Isokos.
There have been fighting and divisions in that town because the Ndokwa Isokos who are the minority control most of the land as the aboriginal people while the Isoko settlers who are the majority have most of the land...

I think from what I heard, the Ndokwa Isokos are threatening to go back to their Ndokwa roots if the Isoko settlers continue troubling them. Thank God for them, they are in a Ndokwa LGA rather than an Isoko LGA.

HopeAtHand:
Here we go again.

This Ikwerre is/isnt Igbo debate which has been condemned to perpetual arguing online is again tossed on the front burner, courtesy of a traditional title conferred on Wike.

As an Ikwerre, I'd say that there is a close relationship between the Igbo culture/Language and that of the Ikwerres. This is a result of the nature of interaction Ikwerres had with Igbo's and can be divided into the pre-colonial and colonial era.

In pre-colonial era, the interaction is usually attributed to factors chiefly being proximity, the settlement of large number of Aros within Ikwerre villages and communities and to a lesser extent, buying of slaves from Igbo hinterland. Let me at this point inform that Igbo's roughly outnumber Ikwerres 8 to 1. When a relatively smaller ethnicity settled close to a much larger one, they naturally run the risk of losing a good part of their language and culture to the much larger one, especially to a notoriously dominant ethnicity such as the Igbo. Ikwerres found themselves in that situation and continued with life.

Then in the colonial era, the British carved Nigeria into regions and Ikwerre was in Eastern region and Igbo as the major language was used in schools, hospitals, offices and churches and Ikwerres had no option but to learn. To give you an example, gather Igbo's and teach them Hausa in schools and use same language in churches and markets and hospitals for over 40yrs and see if you wouldn't effectively change their lives. The only adjustment th British made fo Ikwerres was introduction of Ikwerre Union Bible Bible in Churches for the Ikwerres to properly understand the word of God.

Now a certain poster Abagworo talked about sincerity in ironing out this Ikwerre/Igbo debate. on that point, I'd say Ikwerres have sincerely and stedfastly stated during colonial times that they aren't Igbo's. The British refused to listen, the British were more interested in cut-and-join administration of people. Yet, we vehemently rejected being called Igbo, we went to Willinks commission on minority ethnicities to present our case and also played actived roles for the formation of COR state. I am stating this for those who claimed Ikwerres were comfortable with being Igbo's before civil war. They can research the net and see how far we have come in our quest for distinct recognition.

We have no particular issues with Igbo's except our desire to be known as Ikwerres which w rightly are. That isn't a bad thing by any means.

We may now share same Language and Culture but our Origins ar different. And the difference In Origin also affect our difference in character as a people.

Please, Igbo's should disabuse thei minds of unnecessary sentiments and move on.

Peace.

cc: Pazienza, Osagyefo98, jimyjames et al.

what you wrote here doesn't add up there are hundreds of minority tribes in the old Eastern region who speak hundreds of different dialects igbo wasnt used in schools hospitals and churches it was English cause most of the teachers, doctors Catholic RV father's were white missionaries , who used English to communicate , there is no way ikweres will be an ethic group of its own and lose its language, culture and adopt the Igbo culture and language like that, igala colonized part of Igbo but the igbos never lost their culture or language to igala, igalas themselves didn't lose their culture and language to Igbo, so what you are saying is pretty good to read but has no facts , ogonis kalabaris and all the tribes in Rivers state, akwa ibom, and Cross Rivers should be speaking a mix of Igbo like the ikwerres if truly Igbo was used as the main Language in the old Eastern region in schools hospitals and churches

bigfrancis21:
A good number of Isoko communities have Igbo ancestry but due to the prevalent Igbophobia, many of these communities are silent on their Igbo ancestry. Even thee founder of the Isokos, who is called Oputa/Opute, who was among the Eze Chima migratory group is said to have been Igbo speaking. I didn't come up with this. A Delta man, Okpevra, discussed this in his research work here:

https://www.academia.edu/39478223/IS_OZORO_AND_UZERE_CLANS_TRADITIONS_OF_ORIGIN_EDOID_OR_IGBOID

Download here: http://www.nsukkajournalofthehumanities.com/download.php?download_file=UNN-FAJH611.pdf

Some Isoko communities have been influenced by their Ndokwa neighbours as well, either through intermarriageg or by living next to each other.

what you just typed here is nonsense. First of all Isoko was not founded by anyone. The so-called opute is the founder of ozoro a community that speak Isoko. Secoundly Ozoro official history which I have read and own a copy that was given to me when I accompanied a friend to Ozoro day celebration says, this opute is a half brother to who they call ogwara from Benin. He migrated from Benin to escape from his brother ogwara who was after his life. He ran to what is now called Ozoro with his elder brother OKpe.

kayfra:
That was not in existence prior to the colonials. Face facts. You were still largely naked even in the beginning of the 20th century

Sorry adults, women and the titled men wore the akwete.

Even the Anioma is now divided into Ndokwa, ukwuani and Anioma

Nowenuse:
Thank you very much. This is what many people like horsepower101 do not understand.

Many of them have never been to Delta state or lived there before. They just rely on what they see on the internet.
Personally I hate micro divisions, I believe in unity of people with similar cultures and orientation. Hence I regard Aniomas as Igbos, but many of them reject this.

Women were having a regional gathering in the Assemblies of God church one time in Delta state and every ethnic group were asked to present their cultures. Anioma & Igbo women did not present together at all. Igbo women presented theirs, then Anioma women came separately to present theirs. Imagine.

Igboid:
So Ndoni are now Bini people as well, okwa ya?

Does it have to be one or the other? How about he has is own ethnicity completely different from the two you mentioned.

What makes you a member of an ethnic group?

niaralandtopuser:
Even the Anioma is now divided into Ndokwa, ukwuani and Anioma

That’s always what ANIOMA has always meant. It is not a word, it’s an acronym of local governments of the Ndokwa/Ukwuani people.

Aniocha Ndokwa Ika Oshimili and M, A was added. There is no place that is Anioma. It was a way to bring all the different dialects together.

liberalchick:
That’s always what ANIOMA has always meant. It is not a word, it’s an acronym of local governments of the Ndokwa/Ukwuani people.

Aniocha Ndokwa Ika Oshimili and M, A was added. There is no place that is Anioma. It was a way to bring all the different dialects together.

before they use to celebrate only Anioma day but now Anioma, ndokwa and ukwuani day are celebrated differently

Nowenuse:
Thank you very much. This is what many people like horsepower101 do not understand.

Many of them have never been to Delta state or lived there before. They just rely on what they see on the internet.
Personally I hate micro divisions, I believe in unity of people with similar cultures and orientation. Hence I regard Aniomas as Igbos, but many of them reject this.

Women were having a regional gathering in the Assemblies of God church one time in Delta state and every ethnic group were asked to present their cultures. Anioma & Igbo women did not present together at all. Igbo women presented theirs, then Anioma women came separately to present theirs.

Because the cultures are not similar at all. We differ in language, food, dress, politics, wedding, just about any cultural practice that defines an ethnicity.

Nowenuse:
Not only Igbide. There are up to 3 or 4 towns in Ndokwa east and Isoko north where this happened.
In one of these towns, I think IBREDE is the name, Isokos migrated there in large numbers and outnumbered the Ndokwas, after some time, the Ndokwas lost their language to the majority Isokos.
There have been fighting and divisions in that town because the Ndokwa Isokos who are the minority control most of the land as the aboriginal people while the Isoko settlers who are the majority have most of the land...

I think from what I heard, the Ndokwa Isokos are threatening to go back to their Ndokwa roots if the Isoko settlers continue troubling them. Thank God for them, they are in a Ndokwa LGA rather than an Isoko LGA.

I am beginning to think the Isoko are now the majority in ndokwa East. the Isoko now own land and even oil in ndokwa East

niaralandtopuser:
before they use to celebrate only Anioma day but now Anioma, ndokwa and ukwuani day are celebrated differently

Very true, the ANIOMA umbrella is disintegrating. There are just too many dialects under the umbrella, also those with dialects that are more mutually intelligible with Igbo tend to want to identify with the Igbo tribe, which an Ndoni man will vehemently reject.

liberalchick:
Very true, the ANIOMA umbrella is disintegrating. There are just too many dialects under the umbrella, also those with dialects that are more mutually intelligible with Igbo tend to want to identify with the Igbo tribe, which an Ndoni man will vehemently reject.

Igboson1 your sister is heavily vibrating.

Lol

liberalchick:
Very true, the ANIOMA umbrella is disintegrating. There are just too many dialects under the umbrella, also those with dialects that are more mutually intelligible with Igbo tend to want to identify with the Igbo tribe, which an Ndoni man will vehemently reject.

lol. what is wrong with the Igbo's that everyone don't want to be part of them. personally I see them as too greedy and selfish. they don't also love themselves. there is this Anambra family that use to stay in Asaba back then. they rejected their son attempt to marry a girl from Ebonyi. I asked why and one of them told me ebonyi and Abia are not real Igbo's. this people don't have love among the 5 southeast state but they want to drag other states to their self

niaralandtopuser:
lol. what is wrong with the Igbo's that everyone don't want to be part of them. personally I see them as too greedy and selfish. they don't also love themselves. there is this Anambra family that use to stay in Asaba back then. they rejected their son attempt to marry a girl from Ebonyi. I asked why and one of them told me ebonyi and Abia are not real Igbo's. this people don't have love among the 5 southeast state but they want to drag other states to their self

There is nothing wrong with the Igbos, no one said there was. I love the Igbos and I married one. We’re just rejecting an ethnicity that isn’t ours and correcting misconceptions.

Lol to be fair the Igbo identity and unity is a relatively new concept as well. It didn’t take off till after the colonial masters left.

liberalchick:
There is nothing wrong with the Igbos, no one said there was. I love the Igbos and I married one. We’re just rejecting an ethnicity that isn’t ours and correcting misconceptions.

Lol to be fair the Igbo identity is a relatively new concept as well. It didn’t take off till after the colonial masters left.

do you know anything about Ebonyi and Abia being fake Igbo. that was the first time I heard something like. I have Anambra and Imo guys as friends but non of them ever said anything about Ebonyi and Abia being fake Igbo

niaralandtopuser:
Even the Anioma is now divided into Ndokwa, ukwuani and Anioma

I think you are just a troll.

Anioma is divided into Enuani, Ndokwa (Ukwuani & Ndosimili) and Ika.

Ukwuani is basically the same thing as Ndokwa.

You are neither an Anioma nor are you familiar with them at all. You are just a troll and it is very shameful.