₦airaland Forum

starstaz:
my small advice::: Can the The LASG concentrate their time and energy on delivering the long awaited Railway project of over 11 years to 13 yes pipe dream. Than cooking unrealistic " project Imagination " of my wonderful hero any day any time BAT. 4th MB was Tinubu campaign strategy anchor of year 2003. it goes thus , Imagine the 4th MBridge. We are still imagining.

Difference is the 4MB will be PRIVATELY financed...
While the Light Rail project is being PUBLICLY-financed!
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Emma1Oj:
At time I just feel like causing ambode for taking Lagos state backward with is cluelessness and bride.

With all due respect...
You sound "clueless" and "bride(?)"
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CsRockefeller:
Something that they should carry and give JB they are doing pubic procurement/advertisement.

Even CCECC no reach to do this one, trust me.

maybachmusic:
lol
anything outside Berger is a joke

we talking capacity and experience

We are also talking financing capacity...
LASG is not contributing a penny, so the contractor has to finance it.
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majamajic:
mark my words ,

sanwo olu will surpass any former governor of Lagos State including fashola

mark it somewhere

We really pray he does...
But so far, all he's done is take pictures and point!
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thundafire:
Already we know Tinubu company will win it using another name cs money has changed hands dis is a waste of time submitting bids only for dey winner to be in Abuja seizing APC books

chukwugoziegi:
FACT.
And probably use 25billion dollars to build the 35kms bridge and make people pay toll for another 200years.

pawesome:
they will end up with the company that can bribe and lobby best

AmazingELixir:
Why are they bothering themselves...wetin Tinubu company dhan win

Gforce2015:
Hitech (tinubu company) will finally get the contract with just a minute fone call. If you know you Know.
Hitech is presently doing road reconstruction at Anthony -oshodi expressway.

misterjosh:
Another avenue to loot via inflated costs, and giving of contracts to their cronies.

thundafire:
wat are u saying no contract is awarded without Baba having a say never not in Lagos wen his errand boys are der

seunmsg:
Hitech cannot get the contract. There are only three construction companies in Nigeria today that can handle a 38km bridge. They are: Julius Berger, CCECC and Borini Prono. I don’t think the contract will be given to any company outside of these three.

This will NOT be a windfall for the winner....

It's a PPP arrangement and thus Lagos will NOT pay a penny...
The entity that wins the bid has to finance it itself (and recoup from tolls).
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Most of the hate comments here are from d developers, Y? Who do Una like this? Wetin concern you guys with Lagos? Channel your hate to your kerosene sharing Governor now.

lonelydora:
Is that what Nigeria currently need?

. This is what Lagos- Centre of Excellence- needs!

jaxxy:
U realize 90% of roads in Lagos are bad. Lagos is just a hype. I hope it won’t become an empty hype.

and the roads in your state are better

myobjective:
Lagos state government is looking for a company that will build and operate the bridge for a period of time, it is called government-private partnership. It is not a case of contract awarding

Don't mind this people who don't read to understand.
They just come here and talk trash

9jaRealist:
This will NOT be a windfall for the winner....

It's a PPP arrangement and thus Lagos will NOT pay a penny...
The entity that wins the bid has to finance it itself (and recoup from tolls).
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Bobo stay in Lagos and u will realize nothing happens with Baba given a nod such a big project and u are saying baba will just ignore

Useless state that couldn't finished 35km train rail for almost a century.
I was talking with one African guy yesterday n the guy gave me figures n fact about Lagos railway stuff as in I was really ashamed

paradigmshift:
ur father lives in aba... very nice...... extend my greetings to the imbicile.....

Alright I will send your greeting to the kerosene man

naptu2:
The Lagos State Government



https://www.facebook.com/followlasg/posts/2808530675834847

Lagos state is way ahead of other states in infrastructural development, i just hope due process is followed in the evaluation of the bids


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naptu2:
Usually, when a bridge is being built, consideration is not only given to the section that crosses over the water. Rather, it usually also includes the access road to the bridge. For example, it's only a small portion of what we call Eko Bridge that crosses over water. The longer stretch of the bridge actually goes over land. Another good example is the Second Niger Bridge. The Second Niger Bridge project includes the construction of a 1.6 km long bridge and a 10.3 km highway.

Thanks.

9jaRealist:
With all due respect...
You sound "clueless" and "bride(?)"
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Ta... go and seatdown oga madam. My conscience is not for sell either can I be placed on prize.

it's simple, I'm a realist. I judge base on logic and morality.

9jaRealist:
That's fine...

If PRIVATE investors are paying for it...
It's only fair they should be able to recoup their investment via tolling.

The good things is it's a USAGE tax...
Those of you who do not want to pay tolls need not use the bridge.
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who says he doesn't want to pay toll here? My comment is straightforward and short enough to decipher

Gabrokpara001:
Lagos state is way ahead of other states in infrastructural development, i just hope due process is followed in the evaluation of the bids


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Do you employ Nigerians in the building of clients' homes? I still prefer the cotonou people though. They're highly professional and economical when a Nigerian builds you could easily notice...no precision, the building would either bend or wobble in one side or abruptly shaped.

But we prefer to drive on the bridge free of change.

fairfora:
And we should be prepared to pay toll hugely

oyatz:
But we prefer to drive on the bridge free of change.

I appreciate innovations that enhance people's way of life. Of course, I'd be willing to pay but not arbitrarily. Since the bridge would be state-owned, they need to recover their money and also maintain it but the toll shouldn't be heavy, that's my point but hey! It would definitely be a heavy burden on lagosians. Our govt likes money more than the people who put them there. The ikoyi link bridge toll we pay per crossing/usage. We have an office in Lekki and ikoyi. If we cross 4 times daily, we pay 400 naira 4 times and that's too much when summed up in a month. You could say there are alternative routes yes...but the business of the govt is to also make life meaningful to those they govern by building infrastructure because they do not pay interest on the allocations that come to them from the fed govt, neither do they refund same. Such allocations are for a project like this but because we do not know our right. We just watch them slap us in the face .Charging less would be nice on the 4th mainland bridge.

nototribalist:
Once bridge pass CCECC or Julius Berger hand to any other Oluwole quark contractors forget it, corruption don start.


Oluwole Companies that cannot build road that can last for 2 years, want to build a long bridge like 4th mainland bridge?

Only in the most corrupt country in the world call Nigeria that this kind of disaster happens

what about RCC?

9jaRealist:
Under Nigeria's bizarre "federal" system, the federal government controls all inland waterways through National Inland Waterways Authority (pursuant to the NIWA Axt). Accordingly, the states do not have control over the waterways that run through their territories and have to negotiate (or in the case of Lagos when the PDP was in power at the centre, litigate) for use of the waterways and to develop water routes (most of the routes in Lagos require some dredging). Most private investors will NOT invest in some an uncertain regulatory environment (albeit now that Lagos has reached some arrangement with the now APC-controlled FG, UberBoats and a few others have taken the plunge).
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Well said.

I remember the battle between Fashola and GEJ's government over inland waterways in Lagos, but at the moment, passenger boat operators are operating skeptically and Ubar is a small and boutique operation, we need at least (20-30) 200-300 passenger capacity ferry boats moving passengers heading into the city all the way from Badagry to I korodu, Marina, Badore, Ijede and so on.

This should be enough to remove hundreds of thousands of people off Ikorodu road and Lagos Badagry axis.

Bottom line, they need to scale up investments massively to take advantage of the waterways.

Just don’t award to julius Berger

couragemurphy:
4th Mainland bridge? While biafra is still battling with 2nd Niger Bridge ... .. life ain't fair atall

It’s privately funded and self developed

PearlStreet:
Built by Lagos state government.

What are the docile governors of the SE doing?

The PDP slaves had to wait for Fashola and Buhari to complete their bridge. The same people who names GEJ Azikiwe.

Igbo doesn’t have leaders

This thread in spite of attempts to detail has actually been insightful. Lagos has to build this bridge given that the 3rd Mainland bridge was build over 30 years ago. Given the private funding model, I expect the toll to be implemented to give ample time for the recoup of funds maybe 20-30 years.

9jaRealist:
That's fine...

If PRIVATE investors are paying for it...
It's only fair they should be able to recoup their investment via tolling.

The good things is it's a USAGE tax...
Those of you who do not want to pay tolls need not use the bridge.
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Enlightenment is different from educated... We need to be both in this country.

Do you understand what double taxation is? Even our so called government are not accountable for our little tax we pay. So we should expunge this your notion from our mindset and let the government do what they are supposed to do. Era of mediocrity should be done with abeg

jidxin:
Enlightenment is different from educated... We need to be both in this country.

Do you understand what double taxation is? Even our so called government are not accountable for our little tax we pay. So we should expunge this your notion from our mindset and let the government do what they are supposed to do. Era of mediocrity should be done with abeg

Perhaps you should follow your own counsel on the highlighted...

Nigeria is NOT be the first country to have tolled roads and/or bridges. Even in most (if not all) of the advanced economies where tax compliance is actually much GREATER than in Nigeria, toll roads (and all manner of usage taxes) exist.

Meanwhile, this bridge currently does NOT exist and if a private entity takes the investment risk of raising the capital (most of which will likely be in the form of DEBT from banks, etc.), it deserves to recoup its investment by tolling the road.

Not sure where you got the "double taxation" theory from. If the FG charges for the new trains being put into use, would that be double taxation? If Lagos charges for the new Light Rail or LagFerry or BRT, is that double taxation?

A NEW tolled road is substantively no different from VAT (or other consumption/usage tax). You don't buy VAT-covered goods, you don't pay VAT!
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9jaRealist:
Perhaps you should follow your own counsel on the highlighted...

Nigeria is NOT be the first country to have tolled roads and/or bridges. Even in most (if not all) of the advanced economies where tax compliance is actually much GREATER than in Nigeria, toll roads (and all manner of usage taxes) exist.

Meanwhile, this bridge currently does NOT exist and if a private entity takes the investment risk of raising the capital (most of which will likely be in the form of DEBT from banks, etc.), it deserves to recoup its investment by tolling the road.

Not sure where you got the "double taxation" theory from. If the FG charges for the new trains being put into use, would that be double taxation? If Lagos charges for the new Light Rail or LagFerry or BRT, is that double taxation?

A NEW tolled road is substantively no different from VAT (or other consumption/usage tax). You don't buy VAT-covered goods, you don't pay VAT!
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I want to agree with your summary, I just feel that tolls should not be too much to cause a huge dent in pockets. O
Also, the alternate routes should be developed as well.