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Op have you heard of the Nicene- Creed? It starts with " I believe in One God, the Father Almighty, maker of all things visible and invisible, and in Jesus Christ..."

Infact, I will post the whole thing here. This Creed is a summary of the Catholic faith and doctrines. If you don't find worship of Mary here, shame on you!


We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen

Op, your problem is that you don't know what you are arguing for. You are confused, lost and sound almost desperate. You glory in any ill news of the Catholic Church. You dig out evil news which abound in the internet from people like you.

In the beginning, I asked you to use your time productively in the pursuit of your own spiritual life. I didn't ask you to join the Catholics ( which is something your protestant kind do often. Trying to "convert" Christians), I only asked you to deepen your relationship with God.

In your wickedness and stubbornness of heart, you refused to listen. You have continued making weak and useless points, quoting Bible passages you neither understand to support your wicked aim. You are not a Bible exegete and so you sore your ignorance.

I have been mild with you, partly because I hate online arguments, and I don't want to waste my time with someone who doesn't know what truth is, nor even want it. I only wished we could have a talk physically.
Op, look interiorly first. God searches the heart and probes the loins to give each man what his conduct deserves!

Take care!
PS. I am still interested in knowing your "church".

Whatever gathering he calls his church is inconsequential.

Just call him a 21st century pharisee.

DownChelsea:
this is outright stupidity. I would insult myself to engage in talks of history with you when your understanding of the little things are faulty.

Yet you could not refute any of my arguments.?

DownChelsea:
what have you said that is contrary to Christian doctrine? Christians believe all these poems you have typed.

Belief is the fulcrum whether or not you are smart enough to know it OR NOT. It is the starting point in the religion you know nothing about but argue so much about (Christianity). Belief is ultimately the point if argument especially when you actions are clearly to impose “beliefs” or “lack of” on Christians.

Are you that Naive?

Believe is not every thing about Christaintity, because as I showed you earlier even the Devil and Demons believe in the name and authority of God and his son Christ, but they would not be saved.
Faith with work is dead, belief without works is dead.

James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith
without works is dead also.

The question you will ask yourself is what is the works required?

The works required us to adhere to God's commandments and word and not commandments of Men.

DownChelsea:
what have you said that is contrary to Christian doctrine? Christians believe all these poems you have typed.

Belief is the fulcrum whether or not you are smart enough to know it OR NOT. It is the starting point in the religion you know nothing about but argue so much about (Christianity). Belief is ultimately the point if argument especially when you actions are clearly to impose “beliefs” or “lack of” on Christians.

Beliefs in what, Pagan doctrines and traditions?

DownChelsea:
Prover! Intention decider! The hypocritic Christian!

Answer my simple question.
Is there anything you can mention that you Catholics do exclusively for God without doing the same to Mary?

Alexandro15:
Op, your problem is that you don't know what you are arguing for. You are confused, lost and sound almost desperate. You glory in any ill news of the Catholic Church. You dig out evil news which abound in the internet from people like you.

In the beginning, I asked you to use your time productively in the pursuit of your own spiritual life. I didn't ask you to join the Catholics ( which is something your protestant kind do often. Trying to "convert" Christians), I only asked you to deepen your relationship with God.

In your wickedness and stubbornness of heart, you refused to listen. You have continued making weak and useless points, quoting Bible passages you neither understand to support your wicked aim. You are not a Bible exegete and so you sore your ignorance.

I have been mild with you, partly because I hate online arguments, and I don't want to waste my time with someone who doesn't know what truth is, nor even want it. I only wished we could have a talk physically.
Op, look interiorly first. God searches the heart and probes the loins to give each man what his conduct deserves!

Take care!
PS. I am still interested in knowing your "church".

Answer my simple question.
Is there anything you can mention that you Catholics do
exclusively for God without doing the same to Mary?

DownChelsea:
Whatever gathering he calls his church is inconsequential.

Just call him a 21st century pharisee.

Like I said before, this issue or matter is not about personal beliefs or church doctrines, but about God's word and command which your church violates greatly.

DownChelsea:
is the Catholic church not the domicile of the Christian practice which includes God’s word? Arguing the word of God with Catholics is like arguing your village tradition with your great grand father.

Do you know of any Protestant denomination that has more Knowledge of the word of God than the catholic church?

You can’t be more Christian than “the actual Christians”.

The Catholic Church is the domicile of pagan traditions and religion not God.

Left for the Catholic Church we would not have had the Bible.

Go and read about the Inquisition.

DownChelsea:
coming from a protestants who argues a religion with the masters of the religion.
A man who has assumed the position of judge even against his superiors.
A typical protestant who even protests against the purport of his own denomination.


Chief Judge of God(a God you are seemingly far from)

I don't need any label or branding weather Protestants or whatever you may call it.

What am interested in is that the true word of God is proclaimed and not sideline by your Church.

blueAgent:
Answer my simple question.
Is there anything you can mention that you Catholics do
exclusively for God without doing the same to Mary?

Alexandro15:
Op have you heard of the Nicene- Creed? It starts with " I believe in One God, the Father Almighty, maker of all things visible and invisible, and in Jesus Christ..."

Infact, I will post the whole thing here. This Creed is a summary of the Catholic faith and doctrines. If you don't find worship of Mary here, shame on you!


We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen

Look at this. It is quite surprising how you do selective reading. If you had read this you wouldn't have asked this question.

Again I ask, what I the name of your "church"? You keep dodging the question.

blueAgent:
I don't need any label or branding weather Protestants or whatever you may call it.

What am interested in is that the true word of God is proclaimed and not sideline by your Church.

well, you already have a label. And your interest clearly isn’t godly.

blueAgent:
The Catholic Church is the domicile of pagan traditions and religion not God.

Left for the Catholic Church we would not have had the Bible.

Go and read about the Inquisition.

christians would have had the Quran. Wonderfully said

blueAgent:
Like I said before, this issue or matter is not about personal beliefs or church doctrines, but about God's word and command which your church violates greatly.

but everthing about you isn’t in consonance with anything “Christian”.

You’re neither wise nor smart, neither do you have scriptural understanding, you’re even horrible in your assumed position as “judge” against true Christians

blueAgent:
Answer my simple question.

Is there anything you can mention
that you Catholics do exclusively for God without doing the
same to Mary?

your question is stupid. Even though you have been obliged with answers countless times. These people have told you they worship God not Mary(which is the ultimate answer to your unreasonable question).

The pharisee in you is what makes you keep arguing about imaginations in your botched mind.

Alexandro15:
Op have you heard of the Nicene- Creed? It starts with " I believe in One God, the Father Almighty, maker of all things visible and invisible, and in Jesus Christ..."

Infact, I will post the whole thing here. This Creed is a summary of the Catholic faith and doctrines. If you don't find worship of Mary here, shame on you!


We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen

How does this disprove the fact that you Catholics bow, pray, worship and praise Mary?

DownChelsea:
your question is stupid. Even though you have been obliged with answers countless times. These people have told you they worship God not Mary(which is the ultimate answer to your unreasonable question).

The pharisee in you is what makes you keep arguing about imaginations in your botched mind.

You have dodged anwersing my question for the 10th time.

Let me rephrase the question.
How do you Catholics worship God or express your honour to God?

DownChelsea:
but everthing about you isn’t in consonance with anything “Christian”.

You’re neither wise nor smart, neither do you have scriptural understanding, you’re even horrible in your assumed position as “judge” against true Christians

You spend more time arguing and calling me names rather than refute my arguments or show me proves that you people don't worship Mary.

DownChelsea:
christians would have had the Quran. Wonderfully said

God gave Christains the Bible not Catholics, neither was it the Catholics that defeated the Muslims, God did.

Alexandro15:
Look at this. It is quite surprising how you do selective reading. If you had read this you wouldn't have asked this question.

Again I ask, what I the name of your "church"? You keep dodging the question.

I hold no alliagance to any Church, what matters most to is that the truth about God's word prevails over human traditions and teachings.

DownChelsea:
well, you already have a label. And your interest clearly isn’t godly.

Lol...kettle calling pot black.
If you call me ungodly then what will you call your church?

blueAgent:
How does this disprove the fact that you Catholics bow, pray, worship and praise Mary?

Can this guy read at all? Did you see anything about worship of Mary there? And yet, this is a summary of the Catholic faith.
How does it prove the fact that we worship Mary?

You know what, you are just like a zombie. Countless times we have given you reasons and told you we don't worship her, but you keep repeating the same questions over and over again. I doubt you can even comprehend anything. Little wonder you specialise in copying and pasting from the internet, since you don't even know how to argue or even sustain one.

Zombie, that is what you are. No apologies.

blueAgent:
I hold no alliagance to any Church, what matters most to is that the truth about God's word prevails over human traditions and teachings.

This is a waste of time afterall. He is not even a Christian.
I have been arguing with a pagan ever since.
Don't quote me again, please. Go and baptise. Go and join a Christian assembly.

blueAgent:
Lol...kettle calling pot black.
If you call me ungodly then what will you call your church?

perhaps the opposite.


My church! Lol

blueAgent:
God gave Christains the Bible not Catholics, neither was it the Catholics that defeated the Muslims, God did.

defeated the muslims? Who told you the muslims are defeated? Are you better than them.

Damn! How old are you?

blueAgent:
You spend more time arguing and calling me names rather than refute my arguments or show me proves that you people don't worship Mary.

you don’t need proof to what is in the heart of another. (Especially when those in question have represented to you, how unreasonable you are, trying to decide what happens in their minds.

For the names, they’re your names. Answer them

blueAgent:
You have dodged anwersing my question for the 10th time.

Let me rephrase the question.
How do you Catholics worship God or express your honour to God?

how else?

DownChelsea:
how else?

As simple as this question is , you cannot answer .

[quote author=DownChelsea post=85186597]you don’t need proof to what is in the heart of another. (Especially when those in question have represented to you, how unreasonable you are, trying to decide what happens in their minds.

For the names, they’re your names. Answer them[/quote

No one is learning anything from this thread, because you guys are determined to ingnore the truth.

DownChelsea:
defeated the muslims? Who told you the muslims are defeated? Are you better than them.

Damn! How old are you?

Muslims are better than Catholics, at least they are not pretending that they deny Jesus compared to you guys who worship Mary And claim you only honour her

Alexandro15:
This is a waste of time afterall. He is not even a Christian.
I have been arguing with a pagan ever since.
Don't quote me again, please. Go and baptise. Go and join a Christian assembly.

Why can't you show me where, the early Christains honoured and venerated Mary.