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| Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Nowenuse: 4:16pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
This thread was on frontpage yesterday https://www.nairaland.com/5600225/indigenous-hausa-christians-kano-mark And from the comments on this thread, it is very very clear that majority of Nigerians especially the Southern Nigerians and shockingly even some Core-northern Hausa fulani muslims do not even know the difference between Hausa Christians and Northern/Middlebelt christians who speak Hausa as 2nd language. I had to correct an uncountable number of people on that thread. How can Nigeria progress as a nation when people do not even know and understand each other very well? There is a very big difference between the two for those who don't understand. FOR STARTERS, If you have a Christian friend from the states of PLATEAU, NASARAWA, FCT, TARABA, ADAMAWA, SOUTHERN KADUNA, SOUTHERN GOMBE, SOUTHERN BORNO, SOUTHERN KEBBI, EASTERN & NORTHERN NIGER, SOUTHERN BAUCHI & SOUTHERN YOBE, he or she is not a Hausa person and can never be a Hausa person no matter how much Hausa he or she speaks or no matter how Hausa their names appear. These people have their own native languages and cultures which have no relationship whatsoever with Hausa, they only learnt to speak Hausa as a 2nd language. All the areas mentioned above are predominantly Christian except for Southern Bauchi, Southern Yobe and Niger where the Christians are in a slight minority or a 50/50 indigenously. So if you have a friend or acquaintance from this area, you can do well to ask him or her what tribe he/she is, rather than ignorantly concluding him to be a Hausa person because he speaks Hausa or has a Hausa name. But if your friend who is a christian is an indigene of Katsina, Kano, Jigawa, Zamfara, Sokoto or Zaria (northern Kaduna) and Northern Kebbi, then it is most likely that your friend is a real Hausa Christian who has no other ethnicity, culture or language other than Hausa. (Except in some rare cases when the person may be from these areas and still NOT be a Hausa person, because there are communities of Southern Kaduna and Southern Kebbi tribes that spill over into Northern Kaduna, Kano & Zamfara states.) Real Hausa Christians are quite few in number but they number at around 2 million or more people and are mostly found in the rural areas of KATSINA (Kankia, Kafur, Malumfashi, Funtua e.t.c LGAs) KANO (Sumaila, Bebeji, Garko, Doguwa, Tudunwada LGAs) and NORTHERN KADUNA/ZARIA (Makarfi, Kudan, Ikara, Zaria & Sabongari LGAs), where they have their largest numbers and fewer numbers in Jigawa, Zamfara & Sokoto states. These Hausa Christians are almost invisible to the eyes of even their core-northern Hausa-fulani Muslims and neighbouring northern Christians from other tribes because most of them dress like Muslims and use Muslim names in order to avoid discrimination. You can never guess that some of these people are christians unless they tell you themselves (especially in the urban areas). These are some of the reasons why many core-northern muslims even argue of their existence. These people are the most persecuted minorities in Africa, but in order not to violate certain rules of Nairaland, this thread will not go that direction. They together with the Fulani & Kanuri Christians of the Core-north (yes you read it right, FULANI CHRISTIANS) have a national association called the MASIHIYAWA COMMUNITY. The other northern Christians from different tribes who speak Hausa as a 2nd language and most Southern Nigerians tend to address as 'Hausa Christians' run into the tens of millions in population (around 20- 25 million people) and these are the ones who regularly have violent clashes with core-northern muslims in Bauchi, Plateau, Southern Kaduna, FCT, Adamawa, Taraba, Nasarawa, Gombe, Kebbi e.t.c. This is because most of these tribes never came under Danfodio's jihad, their tribes are predominantly Christian, and they still have a strong sense of ethnic independence unlike the Hausa Christians who see themselves as a helpless minority in the midst of an overwhelmingly Islamic ethnic group. There is no reputable Hausa Christian in politics or academia for such a population, except Clergymen This is due to the extreme marginalization. Summary, ALL HAUSA CHRISTIANS ARE NORTHERN CHRISTIANS BUT MAJORITY (90%) OF NORTHERN CHRISTIANS ARE NOT HAUSA CHRISTIANS. Lastly, if you are a Southerner and you have a christian friend from Benue, Kogi, Kwara or Nupe (Niger south) and you still think he/she is a Hausa Christian, then you need serious help with your ignorance. This is because people from these areas have no business or relationship whatsoever with Hausa language. Any of them you see speaking Hausa has traveled to live in the Hausa speaking areas of the north and learnt it there just as you will travel to the north to learn it there. 36 Likes 7 Shares |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Kapilta(m): 4:19pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Every tribe can't practise one religion even if one can overshadow the others. Even the jews that have judaism as their ethno religion still have a minority christian and very tiny muslim convert. And not everyone in North is hausa, there are a whole lota tribes there. The hausas just overshadowed them all. Who doesn't know these though? 4 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by DCmonster: 4:20pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Rubbish! 1 Like |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Nobody: 4:26pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
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| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Nobody: 4:31pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Nowenuse you need to calm down sometimes. North is predominantly Hausa-Fulani territory. So it is not wrong to refer to all as Hausa fulani. The territory wasn't clearly defined so it will be difficult to correct such now. 1 Like |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Blankstare(m): 4:35pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Nice one op, thanks for the enligthment. The maguzawas are very pious people, though endengered amongst the vampires they live with. By the way wheres Mr pagan, that dude is walking encyclopedia of the original hausas. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by ZombieTERROR: 4:46pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Northern Christians are the most persecuted..... Everyone knows that.. 6 Likes |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by proudevil: 5:03pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
@ op.... This thread is devoid of nothing except jingosm, uneducative , senseless, and utmost trash. Nairaland is a dumping ground for some nigeria youth where they can dump every day anger and furstration on other tribes. North is one. And it will always be, forget the religious crises which will continue till kingdom come, forget the politics,It will continue forever.forget your middle belt dream thats just a name, they will continue to have new name for the people in that region. North is an indivisible entity. Sir ahmadu bello as laid the foundation not for the fulani domination as some cowards are claiming but for the dominace of the north. Op you are just a bigot like the Muslims and the Christians in the North. Who is fighting for the maguzawas, the millions of northern animist and the atheist.? 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by helinues: 5:07pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Is the op saying no indigenous Hausa Christians? That can never be possible Is like saying no indigenous Muslims in SE just cos majority are Christians 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by jumper524(m): 5:18pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Nowenuse These Hausa Christians are almost invisible to the eyes of even their core-northern Hausa-fulani Muslims and neighbouring northern Christians from other tribes because most of them dress like Muslims and use Muslim names in order to avoid discriminationI've know you to be a religious bigot and also an agent of destruction. So all those berom and gade muslims boys in plateau and nassarawa wearing jeans does so because of fear of discrimination by the majority christains if I go by your antics right? People no longer adapt to the lifestyles of communities where they live because of adaptation but rather because of fear going by your antics right? Leave Nepotism and bigotry you won't listen. These people are the most persecuted minorities in Africa, but in order not to violate certain rules of Nairaland, this thread will not go that directionpls ill urge you go into details. You shouldn't have stated the above if you can't go into details The other northern Christians from different tribes who speak Hausa as a 2nd language and most Southern Nigerians tend to address as 'Hausa Christians' run into the tens of millions in population (around 20- 25 million people) and these are the ones who regularly have violent clashes with core-northern muslims in Bauchi, Plateau, Southern Kaduna, FCT , Adamawa, Taraba, Nasarawa, Gombe, Kebbi e.t.c.you had to include my state in your lies? Pls tell me where and when do my people in Abuja keep having violent religious clash with northern muslims? I hope Niger does not involve in your etc claim as there are large chunk of christian there who still live peacefully. There is no reputable Hausa Christian in politics or academia for such a population, except Clergymen This is due to the extreme marginalizationdo you even do statistics atall? You think reputable positions are being given? Permit me to say jos people are also marginalizing the minority people in the state as no muslims has ever govern them or do I call the south east champion of marginalization cos no Igbo Muslim in politics or academia or even clergymen. Pls be rational in your ascertion. If you continue in this pace like I told you the other time, you'll definitely discriminate even sizes of shoes 13 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by TooMuchStuff: 5:26pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
OP you are very correct. Just the figures. Core Hausa Christians are over 5Million in population. They are extremely discriminated against in all socioeconomic opportunities like Job, politics, religion blockade etc by the Sons of Danfodio. We also have core Fulani Christians in Katsina, jigawa, Sokoto and Adamawa 4 Likes |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by jumper524(m): 5:26pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
proudevil:as a northern I see the OP as an enemy of the north, in my last arguement with him I found out hes just an ethnic and religious bigot. Till tomorrow northern leaders both muslims and christians keeps making moves and step towards a united north but this op is hell bent on creating sentiment even where it never was 4 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by TooMuchStuff: 5:35pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
jumper524:The north has never been one by consensus. Even in the days of Ahmadu Bello, Emirs imposed on Benue communities were almost killed and chased away by Tiv and Idoma. Kafanchan is still in the throats of Fulanis as the Emir of jemaa is not an indigene but Sokoto imposed. Nearly all the Emirs of Southern Borno were imposed on predominantly Christian Communities Saying that the north is mainly Hausafulanis Muslims is nothing but a scam. Big Scam. Muslims are barely 50% of the entire North. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by SamuelAnyawu(m): 5:42pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
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| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Nobody: 5:44pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
They are coming for your head Op, I can see Muric rushing to view this thread. 1 Like |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Nobody: 5:48pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
proudevil:You spent a lot of energy insulting the op without critically placing any point to counter his claims. 12 Likes |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Nowenuse: 5:58pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Kapilta: Hausas overshadowed no one in the real sense. Fulanis conquered and are ruling the Hausas and use Islam as a tool of unification. And for the records, Jewish identity is an ethno-religious one, you cannot be a Muslim or a Christian and still be a Jew, there are identities like that. You can only be a Christian or Muslim of Jewish ancestry. 1 Like |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by jumper524(m): 6:16pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
TooMuchStuff:lol.. I'm gbagyi, by tribe. Even my people has had their disagreement but it still doesn't change the fact that we are united north except of course you might exclude the idomas of benue as well as yorubas of kwara.. Aside that, its a one northern and we disagree to agree. 2 Likes |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by TooMuchStuff: 6:16pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
you had to include my state in your lies? Pls tell me where and when do my people in Abuja keep having violent religious clash with northern muslims? [quote] [b] Bwari Area Council was boiling exactly a year today. Muslims fulani settler was imposed as Emir of Bwari. Meanwhile they have Esu Bwari ruling family. Bwari is a gbagyi university town with 99% Christians. Law school, JAMB, Catholic university, polytechnic and host of other institutions there. But Abacha and Buhari kept putting Fulani total stranger in their traditional throne. This is the modus operandi of all Fulanization agenda 9 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by jumper524(m): 6:26pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
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| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Balogunodua(m): 6:35pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
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| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Mystiquefia: 6:45pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
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| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Mystiquefia: 6:53pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
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| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by BitCraftman: 7:43pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
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| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Nowenuse: 8:16pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
jumper524: TooMuchStuff: @TooMuchStuff, Thank u very much for telling that deluded soul about the Abuja he is making noise about. @jumper524,. I know where you are coming from, I was once there. I was once in your position. I once believed a United Arewa with every ethnic group, Muslims and Christians could be possible and fruitful... Only that I have snapped out of that dream long ago. Now I don't even believe in a united Nigeria anymore. See, for a group of people to be United and progress together, there must be a uniting factor which unites them all and which they all put ahead of all their differences for a common good. This is how nations work. Now can you tell me what holds your imaginary one Arewa together? Islamic religion? Hausa language? We can't even say religion cos we all know at least 35% of Northern & Middlebelt states are Christians. If we say Hausa language, Kogi, Benue & Kwara people do not speak or understand Hausa. Now let's still go ahead with Hausa language and completely ignore Kogi, Benue & Kwara as if they don't exist. Hausa language would have been a good uniting factor for us in the 16 northern states and FCT who speak Hausa as a 1st & 2nd language, but you see, Hausa fulanis & Kanuris (core northern Muslims) do not see the unity of Hausa language before Religion, rather they see religion first and while this helps them to unite themselves and even further unite with tribes like Nupes & Ebiras who do not even speak Hausa as a 2nd language in their majority, it further alienates we the Christians and it pushes us further and further away. The Yorubas are of different religion, but they have managed to use a common language as their unity factor and put it ahead of them before religion and that is why a state like Osun which is 50/50 or even likely Muslim majority voted for a Christian-Christian government in the past and the muslims never saw it as an issue to even consider. So my brother, the more you see me as an ethnic or religious bigot trying to divide your 'phantom United Arewa' the more it is a problem to you. When Sayawa people of Southern Bauchi had the first ever ethno religious crisis with Hausa-fulanis in 1956 and the early 1980s, then all the rest of us couldn't really understand why. Then it was Southern Kaduna people who had the next serious ethno-religious crisis with Hausa fulanis in Kafanchan & Zangon Kataf in 1987 & 1992 and the rest of us were still asking why? Only for the same crisis to visit Jos in 1993, 2001, 2008 & 2010. Then it visited Taraba, Adamawa and even your so called FCT. The core north and the predominantly Christian Northern minorities of the Middlebelt area are a clash of civilizations, a clash of cultures and a clash of everything. We cannot coexist as a people and make progress. Heck the whole Nigeria is a clash of value systems and ideologies. Maybe people like you can continue deceiving yourselves in a 'forthcoming peace & progress' but people like me cannot continue towing that pipe-dream. The signs are clear and the handwriting is on the wall. Northern Nigeria and Nigeria as a whole is a ticking time bomb. If we are wise and sensible, we come together peacefully to restructure this country and decentralize it with the option of seccesion for every region or we continue in stupidity and greed until we all self destruct and bite our fingers in deep regrets in the future. 24 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Nowenuse: 8:23pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
BitCraftman: Can you kindly state what part of the estimate of the Christians in the north is being exaggerated? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Kyase(m): 8:29pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Many don't know this, nice write up 9 Likes |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by TooMuchStuff: 8:31pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
This is front-page Worthy. Pls OP can u add the picture of a small snake even it's a roundworm for Lalasticlala to see and do the needful?? 5 Likes |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by 0monnak0da: 8:48pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Not every "indigenous" Hausa whether Muslim or Christian is Hausa Many come from a population of slaves from God knows where who were freed in Hausa territory when the slave trade ended |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Nobody: 8:57pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Balogunodua:All are northerners now under Arewa consultative Forum... It is a difficult situation. 1 Like |
| Re: Indigenous Hausa Christians Vs Northern Christians, Understanding The Difference by Bazamfare: 9:15pm On Dec 27, 2019 |
Lol.. just listen this fool!! And ur parents will think they have sent you to school!! I'm not surprised that since u were exposed as 5% in population, you have been desperately trying to attach urself by force with the SS to increase ur numbers, while bringing others down!! There is nothing like kafanchan and southern Borno in the constitution, but Borno and Kaduna state.. all these places are governed by the overall laws and regulation governing the region, since its a majority hausa/fulani/Muslim states, we have the right to have an emir in every nook and cranny we feel like and there us nothing anybody can do about it!! You can claim Muslims are merely 20% in the northfor all we care, but that won't change reality on ground!!! For those that get their information from RadioBiafra, I don't expect much TooMuchStuff: 1 Like 1 Share |
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