Omoodua007:



Looool
Oyo empire was larger, more complex and lasted longer than useless Benin empire

And yes Oyo had lower Nupe under its control

You can create a thread for Benin empire this is about the great Oyo empire

Oyo controlled all the way to Togo

Benin was never an empire, but a tiny kingdom. Hence its irrelevance in today's polity.

Oyo Empire
Benin Kingdom
Eboe (Igbo) clans


That's the level of organization by those people.

Opiletool:


Benin was never an empire, but a tiny kingdom. Hence its irrelevance in today's polity.

They never even multipled in numbers lol

RedboneSmith:



The kingdom of Dahomey was conquered by and paid tribute to Oyo up until the 19th century. So was the kingdom of Weme, and a number of other polities in present day Benin Republic.

Within Nigeria, parts of Nupe and Bariba paid tribute to Oyo until they took advantage of political problems in Oyo-Ile to revolt in the 1780s and 1790s.

Also, an empire doesn't neccessarily have to consist of different linguistic groups to qualify as an empire. A political state built up by conquest of formerly autonomous political units that pays tribute to the conquering sovereign is an empire. This is why Japan is an empire despite the fact that everyone in the empire is Japanese. That is also why the Holy Roman Empire was an empire even at the time when the empire only consisted of German-speaking peoples.

So, even if Oyo never conquered the Aja peoples of Dahomey, it would still be accurate to reckon it as an empire since the Egba and the Egbado who paid tribute to the Alaafin were distinct cultural units from the Oyo, despite also being Yoruba.

You're not correct Mr. An empire goes beyond conquering a people and taking tribute from them. That's my point. You have to look at the definition of what an empire is. I don't have to school people on what an empire is. Like I said earlier, Oyo might have been a great Kingdom who troubled her neighbours but it didn't get to the state of an empire. There's something that differentiates an empire from a kingdom. That is what Oyo lacked. Different nations United under a single person to become a single political unit where all the constituent nations bear the identity of their conqueror is what makes an empire. The footprints are there for everyone to see. Benin achieved this feat everyone can see her footprint all over the lands they once controlled. Where is Oyos footprint in non-Yoruba lands? Non. You'll need to prove these footprints exist to convince me.
I've been trying to get the ebook of Archibald Danzel without success. Can you kindly upload excerpts here for our consumption?

nisai:
Go and read olodo and Stop exhibiting ignorance confidently. You are just an empty headed Benin supremacist that wants to propagate Benin kingdom beyond its worth.

Unfortunately, all you have is an over bloated ego rooted on falsehood. You lack knowledge and have been a poor student of history because I remember your amiable teacher here, TAO11, tried so hard to make u learn but u are just a shameful failure who blames his fellow student for not allowing him to peep through and copy answers from their sheets.

So far, you have done more disservice to great Benin people and reputable history through your shallow egoistic driven hearsay and story telling (its not history) than good.

Physicsqed was a better ambassador for Benin people.

I read his jokes during my off-peaks with popcorn and fanta.

He is a failure!

StaffofOrayan:
Oodua a gbe wa oo

Can you please give some details on this picture here. I will greatly appreciate.

BuhariAdvocate:
Arguing with you would only make me stupid like you. And to make the matter worst you lack sense of history.

Meanwhile oyo empire was established on 12th century and it was collapsed in 18th century.

By 1680, the Oyo Empire spanned over 150,000 square kilometers. It reached the height of its power in the 18th century.
Oyo empire conquered dahomey and part of Togo. Many empires signed a treaty with oyo empire from been attack and free trade routes. Popular among them are, Ghana.
Sosso.
Mali.
Songhai.
Sokoto Caliphate.
Akan Kingdoms and emergence of Asante Empire.

However oyo empire grew to become the largest Yoruba state. It rose through the outstanding organizational and administrative skills of the Yoruba people, wealth gained from trade and its powerful cavalry. The Oyo Empire was the most politically important state in the region from the mid-15th to the late 18th century,holding sway not only over most of the other kingdoms in Yorubaland, but also over nearby African states, notably the Fon Kingdom of Dahomey in the modern Republic of Benin to the west.

In conclusion the fact that you ibos hate Yoruba, i think it doesn't make sense to undermine their accomplishments. This tribe has been blessed and God made them head over all thing's.

In fact, it wasn't until very recently that I met a friend on an online platform who made me realize that the Yoruba influence went even as far as Ivory Coast.

Their profile on the online platform reads: an Ivorian Yoruba, and that got me curious a little even though I "reconciled" that their family must have been originally Nigerian.

On inquiry, they confirmed that their family was never Nigerian. They noted that the information passed down from their "ancestors" is that their roots is in what is known today as Nigeria.

They speak Yoruba language quite well, and that was jaw-dropping and eye-opening for me.

Perhaps Drogba is truly Derogba as has been widely claimed, though jokingly, by many.

TAO11:


I read his jokes during my off-peaks with popcorn and fanta.

He is a failure!

My man you are back from oblivion

Happy xmas

TAO11:


I read his jokes during my off-peaks with popcorn and fanta.

He is a failure!

Bro how u dey

TAO11:


In fact, it wasn't until very recently that I met a friend on an online platform who made me realize that the Yoruba influence went even as far as Ivory Coast.

Their profile on the online platform reads: an Ivorian Yoruba, and that got me curious a little even though I "reconciled" that their family must have been originally Nigerian.

On inquiry, they confirmed that their family was never Nigerian. They noted that the information passed down from their "ancestors" is that their roots is in what is known today as Nigeria.

They speak Yoruba language quite well, and that was jaw-dropping and eye-opening for me.

Perhaps Drogba is truly Derogba as has been widely claimed, though jokingly, by many.

Greeting to you. Are you sure about the Ivorian Yoruba's? I know some are in Gambia. If you wouldn't mind, can you advice them to join this site? I am anxiously waiting to learn some stuff about them.

gregyboy:


My man you are back from nirvana

Happy xmas

Nirvana is a continous and uninterrupted state for me.

I attain it everywhere --- on Nairaland and outside of it.

It's especially sweet (almost orgasmic) when I'm on Nairaland flogging, owning, and screwing you on your pseudohistorical throw-ups.

I really hope you do not have a traumatized Christmas season seeing that I am coming for you again.

I see you nisai, thanks for tuning me in.

Olu317:
Greeting to you. Are you sure about the Ivorian Yoruba's? I know some are in Gambia. If you wouldn't mind, can you advice them to join this site? I am anxiously waiting to learn some stuff about them.

Smiles at am I sure! Yes bro, I met an Ivorian Yoruba who is still my friend even as I type.

I will discuss this with them and try convincing them about Nairaland.

TAO11:


Smiles at am I sure! Yes bro, I met an Ivorian Yoruba who is still my friend even as I type.

I will discuss this with them and try convincing them about Nairaland.

Oh k. Cool.


Cheers

TAO11:


Nirvana is a continous and uniterrupted state for me.

I attain it everywhere --- on Nairaland and outside of it.

It's especially sweet (almost orgasmic) when I'm on Nairaland flogging, owning, and screwing you on your pseudohistorical throw-ups.

I really hope you do not have a traumatized Christmas season seeing that I am coming for you again.

I see you nisai, thanks for tuning me in.

pls take it easy oooo teachers no use koboko for dull students again. Help him find is talent and convince him to leave history

TAO11:


Smiles at am I sure! Yes bro, I met an Ivorian Yoruba who is still my friend even as I type.

I will discuss this with them and try convincing them about Nairaland.

I will be looking out for this as well; am curious.

nisai:
pls take it easy oooo teachers no use koboko for dull students again. Help him find is talent and convince him to leave history

Well,

If a talent can be made out of compulsive/pathological lying, then he is highly talented and will go far in life; but if not, then I'm quite uncertain and hesitant about what he can do to be sustainably relevant in life oo.

TAO11:




Well,

If a talent can be made out of compulsive/pathological lying, then he is highly talented and will go far in life; but if not, then I'm quite uncertain and hesitant about what he can do to be sustainably relevant in life oo.

TAO11:


Nirvana is a continous and uninterrupted state for me.

I attain it everywhere --- on Nairaland and outside of it.

It's especially sweet (almost orgasmic) when I'm on Nairaland flogging, owning, and screwing you on your pseudohistorical throw-ups.

I really hope you do not have a traumatized Christmas season seeing that I am coming for you again.

I see you nisai, thanks for tuning me in.

I thought you said i would be the one running not untill you disappeared to your village to be reschooled ....
Am creating a topic on the benin empire hope you join me....

gregyboy:



I thought you said i would be the one running not untill you disappeared to your village to be reschooled ....
Am creating a topic on the benin empire hope you join me....

Really!? Now you're pretending to be suffering from partial amnesia, or are you?

Cos the last time I checked, I screwed you till you fled never to look back on all the threads where I caught you lying.

For example:

https://www.nairaland.com/5233907/yoruba-descendants-brazil-cerebrate-obaluwaye/16#81637003

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/5#81635807


Prove me wrong with one exception --- just one exception.

Yujin:

You're not correct Mr. An empire goes beyond conquering a people and taking tribute from them. That's my point. You have to look at the definition of what an empire is. I don't have to school people on what an empire is. Like I said earlier, Oyo might have been a great Kingdom who troubled her neighbours but it didn't get to the state of an empire. There's something that differentiates an empire from a kingdom. That is what Oyo lacked. Different nations United under a single person to become a single political unit where all the constituent nations bear the identity of their conqueror is what makes an empire. The footprints are there for everyone to see. Benin achieved this feat everyone can see her footprint all over the lands they once controlled. Where is Oyos footprint in non-Yoruba lands? Non. You'll need to prove these footprints exist to convince me.
I've been trying to get the ebook of Archibald Danzel without success. Can you kindly upload excerpts here for our consumption?

Yet to see your contact through that other platform we agreed to meet each other

Hope all is well.?

ConqueredWest:


Yet to see your contact through that other platform we agreed to meet each other

Hope all is well.?

Yeah all is well. I'll get to you soon

Yujin:

Do you know what an empire is?

Benin was never an empire numb skull but a kingdom .. Benin influence on yoruba land was due to ancestral lineage of the stool of OBA ok

Yujin:

You're not correct Mr. An empire goes beyond conquering a people and taking tribute from them. That's my point. You have to look at the definition of what an empire is. I don't have to school people on what an empire is. Like I said earlier, Oyo might have been a great Kingdom who troubled her neighbours but it didn't get to the state of an empire. There's something that differentiates an empire from a kingdom. That is what Oyo lacked. Different nations United under a single person to become a single political unit where all the constituent nations bear the identity of their conqueror is what makes an empire. The footprints are there for everyone to see. Benin achieved this feat everyone can see her footprint all over the lands they once controlled. Where is Oyos footprint in non-Yoruba lands? Non. You'll need to prove these footprints exist to convince me.
I've been trying to get the ebook of Archibald Danzel without success. Can you kindly upload excerpts here for our consumption?

i blame Nigeria educational system . Didn't you study west Africa history in school.. Oyo was an empire ..Benin a Kingdom ..

Oyo

gregyboy:
Oyo empire was trash ,it was not even an empire ,it was a kingdom....
How did they defeat dahomey and how did they rule over them ,no war was fought so how did they occupy thier areas

Oyo never extended beyond neighbouring yoruba nations those other part it extended are frictions claims

grey ass boy monkey

Obalufon:
i blame Nigeria educational system . Didn't you study west Africa history in school.. Oyo was an empire ..Benin a Kingdom ..

Lol. Which West African history? You're not verse in history like am neither are you detailed up to being specific about words like I am. If you can clearly define both words (empire and Kingdom), you will know that you and your likes have been arguing blindly. The centre of power in an empire is always the emperor and his word is final. He's usually like a God among men. All empires are usually controlled by a smaller group who conquer larger areas and are able to unite all these different people into a single entity with the various people seeing themselves as being under the umbrella of their conquerors. This is what Benin was able to accomplish. Till date, the Oba of Benin still commands respect despite the demise of the great empire they once hard. Imagine a tiny six to seven LGA people dominating more lands and people they had. That's impressive. See the Ottoman empire led by the Turks. Roman Empire led by tiny Rome. Mongolian empire led by Genghis Khan covering more than ten times his original territory. Coming to Africa, we see the Songhai empire from one tiny area of Mali leading the Songhai Empire. The Ashanti empire with the Asante people of Kumasi uniting other Akan groups and non Akan neighbours to become a regional force. Their footprint in Ghana till date is the popular Twi language that is wide spread all over the country. Where's that of Oyo?
A kingdom on the other hand, has a king who's power is subject to some kingmakers and council of chiefs. He's not regarded as a god. Great kingdoms fight and defeat their neighbours and demand tributes from the them but are not able to unite these defeated neighbours into one people to bear a United name. This is what Oyo achieved. This is why they don't have any footprint outside Yorubaland. Compare the size of Oyo itself with the tiny lands of the Fon in Dahomey. What about the lands of the Nupe; how big is it?
My criticism is borne out my conviction and never out of prejudice or jealousy. I'm above pettiness.

Obalufon:



Benin was never an empire numb skull but a kingdom .. Benin influence on yoruba land was due to ancestral lineage of the stool of OBA ok

Lol at ancestral lineage stool. Oba Akiolu knows his ancestry and it's neither Oyo nor Ife. Imagine the distance from Benin to Eko. Lol. You can only sell this your story to those who don't know history.

Yujin:

Lol at ancestral lineage stool. Oba Akiolu knows his ancestry and it's neither Oyo nor Ife. Imagine the distance from Benin to Eko. Lol. You can only sell this your story to those who don't know history.

akiolu is not even a lagosian his mom was not him ..his free to utter rubbish

A tiny state now Benin gave birth to igbo and Yoruba tiny now give the Igbo and Yoruba the pride to deny it which some of their kings beliv. But soon the truth will surly preva

Yujin:

Lol. Which West African history? You're not verse in history like am neither are you detailed up to being specific about words like I am. If you can clearly define both words (empire and Kingdom), you will know that you and your likes have been arguing blindly. The centre of power in an empire is always the emperor and his word is final. He's usually like a God among men. All empires are usually controlled by a smaller group who conquer larger areas and are able to unite all these different people into a single entity with the various people seeing themselves as being under the umbrella of their conquerors. This is what Benin was able to accomplish. Till date, the Oba of Benin still commands respect despite the demise of the great empire they once hard. Imagine a tiny six to seven LGA people dominating more lands and people they had. That's impressive. See the Ottoman empire led by the Turks. Roman Empire led by tiny Rome. Mongolian empire led by Genghis Khan covering more than ten times his original territory. Coming to Africa, we see the Songhai empire from one tiny area of Mali leading the Songhai Empire. The Ashanti empire with the Asante people of Kumasi uniting other Akan groups and non Akan neighbours to become a regional force. Their footprint in Ghana till date is the popular Twi language that is wide spread all over the country. Where's that of Oyo?
A kingdom on the other hand, has a king who's power is subject to some kingmakers and council of chiefs. He's not regarded as a god. Great kingdoms fight and defeat their neighbours and demand tributes from the them but are not able to unite these defeated neighbours into one people to bear a United name. This is what Oyo achieved. This is why they don't have any footprint outside Yorubaland. Compare the size of Oyo itself with the tiny lands of the Fon in Dahomey. What about the lands of the Nupe; how big is it?
My criticism is borne out my conviction and never out of prejudice or jealousy. I'm above pettiness.

Have you read any books about Oyo to come to this confident conclusion?
You should never be comfortable with ignorance especially on a topic you appear to have interest in

macof:


Have you read any books about Oyo to come to this confident conclusion?
You should never be comfortable with ignorance especially on a topic you appear to have interest in

I did task any of you to furnish viewers with records of Oyo 'empire' wriiten by European explorers in 18th century and not those penned by Yoruba historians who actually caused this confusion in the first place. We are not quarreling. Just do so and if it's convincing, I'll apologize and remain silent. II'm waiting for those records.

Yujin:

I did task any of you to furnish viewers with records of Oyo 'empire' wriiten by European explorers in 18th century and not those penned by Yoruba historians who actually caused this confusion in the first place. We are not quarreling. Just do so and if it's convincing, I'll apologize and remain silent. II'm waiting for those records.

Oyo kingdom that highly disorganized and were continually trashed by dahomey female warrior and Fulani, they should be ashamed to mention it amongst if it even existed from the yoruba account it looks like state under the oyo kingdom were politically autonomous no war was fought to bring the vassals under it ,it was strictly on social gathering the oyo kingdom was weak militarily because they were not used to war ,when the alafin wanted to extends is kingdom to another yoruba kingdom under it,that's how everything went south and a war broke out the new political power after the war rested on ibadan were they attempted to wage war on ekiti a benin vassal state at then ,words was sent to the oba of benin ,and thousands of soldier's were disperse to ekiti to fight the new political power of the yorubas which ekiti won in the war
At the early 18c ogendegbe from ijesha ventured to edo north with his fierced warriors he had already conquered some part of edo north when the oba get to here of it he disperse warriors from edo central esan warriors who waged ogendegbe at edo north and defeated him and his army his head was later brought to benin