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YungMillionaire:
Can you give a Nigerian example?

There are people of different ethnicity however they have the same religion, close boundary, similar attire and even eat the same type of food. Bro, you started this thread and should have done your homework.

YungMillionaire:
I have heard the argument that Nigerian democracy should be similar to American democracy. Meaning that if you live (or were born) in a state you should be able to run for elective office even though your tribe is not from that state. While this sounds good in theory, in reality it is a very dangerous idea. This might work in America but not in Nigeria. If you live in a state and you are not an indigene or member of the state's tribe you should respect yourself and not run for elective office. Otherwise, it will lead to resentment against nomadic tribes who are far more likely to be found outside their states of indigene than other tribes. Tribal co-existence of Nigeria is paramount to the fate of this country. Those that seek to impose European/American ideals on Nigeria will inevitably drive this shaky union off the proverbial cliff.

The entire non-Fulani parts of the country rejected the suggestions of cattle colonies for Fulanis. Because people do not like the idea of non-indigenes coming into their lands and taking over. In some parts of the country, even if you are a member of the tribe, you can't even run for political office if you are not from that particular state. So its clear how Nigeria is to be structured based on this reality. Otherwise, the consequences would be dire.

you are right....
american democracy cant work in nigeria....

DMerciful:
So the offspring of an Igbo man and a Yoruba woman cannot contest either in SE or SW? You're creating far more problems. If an Igbo man residing in lagos is popular enough to win, so be it likewise a yoruba man in the East. But you cant stop people from contesting, nowhere in the world where democracy is practice stop people!

we saw how well that went,when oba of lagos(lil wayne) wanted to throw igbos into the lagoon for just wantin to vote their choice in lagos....

YungMillionaire:
Interesting. Personally I see it differently. Corruption, not tribalism, is Nigeria's main problem. What you are proposing will exacerbate tribalism not prevent it. Here is how. Nigerian tribes who are not very nomadic in nature (and or who do not have the population) would resent someone from another tribe representing them since they do not have the numbers to do that in the rep's region. Human beings can tolerate most things but one thing that is sure to create enmity is a sense of unfairness. This approach would hand over even more country of over to the 3 major tribes who have the population to influence politics outside their region. This would lead to more suspicion and increase tribal conflicts. Pure democracy is rare. America (the example most people like to use) is not a pure democracy. In America the votes in the middle of the country (which is largely white) are effectively more valuable than those in the coastal areas (which are more diverse). This is why Trump (not Hillary Clinton) is president.

My proposal of a tribal democracy would ensure that each state is only represented by an indigene or tribal member. This would remove the sense of unfairness that would surely be the case if we go towards your proposal. In addition, it will lead to mutual respect among the tribes and encourage greater unity in the country.

yeah....

Dedetwo:
There are people of different ethnicity however they have the same religion, close boundary, similar attire and even eat the same type of food. Bro, you started this thread and should have done your homework.

I can not cover everything. In fact you brought this particular aspect up by yourself. So, give me an example of two different tribes in Nigeria whose cultural affiliation is stronger than their tribal affiliation.

YungMillionaire:
I can not cover everything. In fact you brought this particular aspect up by yourself. So, give me an example of two different tribes in Nigeria whose cultural affiliation is stronger than their tribal affiliation.

you are speakin plain truth....
its everywhere in nigeria....!!

You seem limited in reasoning be it by sentiment or otherwise. Both your definition, yours n his is the problem with the country. The definition of corruption is not the problem, corruption itself is the problem no matter how you define it or who defined it.

Dedetwo:
This is the bane of African intellectualism. Corruption is NOT limited to embezzlement of public funds. There are more severe aspect of corruption than stealing of public fund. A person steal a fund and state can recover from it in a given time. However there are aspects of corruption that engender or incorporate or perpetuate the stealing of public fund.

Sonnyboom:
You seem limited in reasoning be it by sentiment or otherwise. Both your definition, yours n his is the problem with the country. The definition of corruption is not the problem, corruption itself is the problem no matter how you define it or who defined it.

Before you go on a silly fishing expedition, I suggest you reread the post. I did not even attempt to define corruption. I simply informed the dude that corruption is not limited to the embezzlement of public funds.

Nigeria was the disastrous creation of the British who did not take into account that indigenous people with different outlook on life can never be one

The Igbo/Yoruba/Hausa/ are very different people, so what are they doing together in one country?

It's a recipe for disaster

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YungMillionaire:
I have heard the argument that Nigerian democracy should be similar to American democracy. Meaning that if you live (or were born) in a state you should be able to run for elective office even though your tribe is not from that state. While this sounds good in theory, in reality it is a very dangerous idea. This might work in America but not in Nigeria. If you live in a state and you are not an indigene or member of the state's tribe you should respect yourself and not run for elective office. Otherwise, it will lead to resentment against nomadic tribes who are far more likely to be found outside their states of indigene than other tribes. Tribal co-existence of Nigeria is paramount to the fate of this country. Those that seek to impose European/American ideals on Nigeria will inevitably drive this shaky union off the proverbial cliff.

The entire non-Fulani parts of the country rejected the suggestions of cattle colonies for Fulanis. Because people do not like the idea of non-indigenes coming into their lands and taking over. In some parts of the country, even if you are a member of the tribe, you can't even run for political office if you are not from that particular state. So its clear how Nigeria is to be structured based on this reality. Otherwise, the consequences would be dire.

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I'm pretty sure there's a word for that already - A Republic

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