budaatum:

The evidence of the healing of my hunger.
Thankfully, I have small space left for a Trophy.

Ok now you are making me hungry. I have been craving a beer since morning but I didn't get one, now its burning a path of absence through my gut.

LordReed:


If rain was not used in creating trees, why is it unreasonable to say your god should make plants grow without rain? He can do it can't he?

Your food analogy does not follow. I have never heard of your god spoon feeding anybody so it will be unreasonable to ask. However you god rained manna from heaven, if I ask for same then I will not be unreasonable.

I don't why you guys keeps forgetting that God is God and the can do what ever pleases him. If he wanted trees to fall from the sky he would so without and help from anyone. Read Isaiah 55 : 8 - 10

He can make plants grow without rain. He can also do what he wants.

My food analogy follows you don't need to ask God to heal you of your headache when you can just take some tablets and relax. You can't also expect God to always interfere with nature and natural laws for you.

LordReed:


Ok now you are making me hungry. I have been craving a beer since morning but I didn't get one, now its burning a path of absence through my gut.

Ah, poor you. I had a Gulder with dinner. The Trophy is my second and I got 3 more chilling in the fridge for tomorrow or later tonight if thirst gets me. Products of my faith and my work, I daresay.

ABCthings:
I don't why you guys keeps forgetting that God is God and the can do what ever pleases him. If he wanted trees to fall from the sky he would so without and help from anyone. Read Isaiah 55 : 8 - 10

He can make plants grow without rain. He can also do what he wants.

My food analogy follows you don't need to ask God to heal you of your headache when you can just take some tablets and relax. You can't also expect God to always interfere with nature and natural laws for you.

Then he is not to be relied on. QED

LordReed:


Then he is not to be relied on. QED

I'm not sure you actually read the scripture I included. You guys want a simple answer. But sorry the problem is not simple so the solution won't be either. I really hope you don't take such intellectual laziness to 2020. See how you even rushed and typed QED

ABCthings:
I'm not sure you actually read the scripture I included. You guys want a simple answer. But sorry the problem is not simple so the solution won't be either. I really hope you don't take such intellectual laziness to 2020. See how you even rushed and typed QED

You proved your god is not to be relied on since he does as he pleases and doesn't always intervene so why are you blaming me?

LordReed:


You proved your god is not to be relied on since he does as he pleases and doesn't always intervene so why are you blaming me?

Fallacy. God is reliable.
So him making plants grow with rain is now equal to unreliability? what kind of logic is this?

ABCthings:
Fallacy. God is reliable.
So him making plants grow with rain is now equal to unreliability? what kind of logic is this?

Your words: "you don't need to ask God to heal you of your headache when you can just take some tablets and relax. You can't also expect God to always interfere with nature and natural laws for you", proving your god is unreliable. It's not my logic, it's yours.

Here to read lies from religionists, Christians especially.

LordReed:


Your words: "you don't need to ask God to heal you of your headache when you can just take some tablets and relax. You can't also expect God to always interfere with nature and natural laws for you", proving your god is unreliable. It's not my logic, it's yours.

If you stop spoon feeding your child does it means you're unreliable?

ABCthings:
If you stop spoon feeding your child does it means you're unreliable?

Yes, it means I will not reliably feed a child that can feed his or herself especially depending on how old the child is.

If your god says he will not provide healing because medical science is available then he is unreliable.

LordReed:
Are you able to obtain things non believers can't?

Hello.

I already have. Eternal Life in the world to come and friendship/fellowship with God and fellow believers today.

LordReed:


Yes, it means I will not reliably feed a child that can feed his or herself especially depending on how old the child is.

If your god says he will not provide healing because medical science is available then he is unreliable.

Oh lawd! Which kind of logic is this?
Wait let me hear from others.

If I spoon feed a child when he was young.
Then I stop spoon feeding him when he is old enough does that mean I'm unreliable?

ABCthings:
Oh lawd! Which kind of logic is this?
Wait let me hear from others.

You should look up the meaning of reliable, it seems you have problems with the word.

Hiv/Aids lol

budaatum:

If a testimony has no backing evidence it would be unwise to believe it.

I know a man who testified three times he was healed of Hiv/Aids at the Synagogue. He gave away three properties in gratitude only to die of the Hiv/Aids he was healed off leaving his family homeless.

ABCthings:
Oh lawd! Which kind of logic is this?
Wait let me hear from others.

A person walked into church and shot 2 people yet you want to tell me your god is reliable .

LordReed:


A person walked into church and shot 2 people yet you want to tell me your god is reliable .

God do as he wish. Heaven is our goal.
God has already told is that in this world we would have trouble John 16:33
And as Christians we would not always have peaceful times.
Matt 24 4-14; John 15:20; 16:2

Joy
Happiness
Meaningful life
Supernatural help and support

ABCthings:
God do as he wish. Heaven is our goal.
God has already told is that in this world we would have trouble John 16:33
And as Christians we would not always have peaceful times.
Matt 24 4-14; John 15:20; 16:2

Good so you agree your god is not to be relied on in times of danger or sickness so he indeed is unreliable.

vickydankal:
Joy
Happiness
Meaningful life
Supernatural help and support

People have happiness, joy and meaningful life without faith. The supernatural help and support doesn't seem make believers any different from unbelievers so the question is not really answered.

LordReed:


People have happiness, joy and meaningful life without faith. The supernatural help and support doesn't seem make believers any different from unbelievers so the question is not really answered.

1)People may have happiness I know
2)Joy is deeper than you think of you know what I mean. It comes from a supernatural source outside the physical realm.
3)i don't know between who and who you accessed as the believer and the unbeliever to draw your conclusions.
Not today not tomorrow will you not find the difference between Christ followers and others, due to supernatural support and help. I have had angelic help and visitation when I was stranded.
I have had supernatural healing of ulcer.

vickydankal:


1)People may have happiness I know
2)Joy is deeper than you think of you know what I mean. It comes from a supernatural source outside the physical realm.
3)i don't know between who and who you accessed as the believer and the unbeliever to draw your conclusions.
Not today not tomorrow will you not find the difference between Christ followers and others, due to supernatural support and help. I have had angelic help and visitation when I was stranded.
I have had supernatural healing of ulcer.

There is no distinction between the joy you feel and the one I feel, attempting to call yours of supernatural providence is meaningless because there is no objective way to distinguish between the two.

I have evaluated myself as a believer and myself an a non believer and I know for sure there is no difference. What you call supernatural support is something a non believer will call good fortune so what is the difference? Being stranded and finding help is something that happens to believers and non believers alike so what is the difference?

LordReed:


Good so you agree your god is not to be relied on in times of danger or sickness so he indeed is unreliable .

If He said He will always heal us and doesn't then He will be unreliable. But there is no promise that says we would never fall sick or we would always be healed. You're wrongly accusing God.

ABCthings:

If He said He will always heal us and doesn't then He will be unreliable. But there is no promise that says we would never fall sick or we would always be healed. You're wrongly accusing God.

This is so simple, your god cannot provide healing or protection from danger in any reliable manner. What do you call that?

LordReed:


This is so simple, your god cannot provide healing or protection from danger in any reliable manner. What do you call that?

Which god does that?

ABCthings:
Which god does that?

Your god.

LordReed:


Your god.

I mean which god provide healing or protection from danger always?

ABCthings:
I mean which god provide healing or protection from danger always?

Does your god provide protection and healing at all, let's even leave aside always.

LordReed:


Does your God provide protection and healing at all, let's even leave aside always.

Yes, now answer my question.

ABCthings:
Yes, now answer my question.

Can you guarantee when, how or who receives your god's protection or healing?

Christ is The Faith. He is my Instructor, my Director and my Discernment. He even always teaches me what to post on Nairaland.