gregyboy:




Oyo kingdom that highly disorganized and were continually trashed by dahomey female warrior and Fulani, they should be ashamed to mention it amongst if it even existed from the yoruba account it looks like state under the oyo kingdom were politically autonomous no war was fought to bring the vassals under it ,it was strictly on social gathering the oyo kingdom was weak militarily because they were not used to war ,when the alafin wanted to extends is kingdom to another yoruba kingdom under it,that's how everything went south and a war broke out the new political power after the war rested on ibadan were they attempted to wage war on ekiti a benin vassal state at then ,words was sent to the oba of benin ,and thousands of soldier's were disperse to ekiti to fight the new political power of the yorubas which ekiti won in the war
At the early 18c ogendegbe from ijesha ventured to edo north with his fierced warriors he had already conquered some part of edo north when the oba get to here of it he disperse warriors from edo central esan warriors who waged ogendegbe at edo north and defeated him and his army his head was later brought to benin

babtoundey:


"Iye was never a Yoruba word"
" Oba was never a Yoruba word"
"There's a clear difference between Iya-oba and iyooba (just as there's difference between Oja-oba and Ojaaba/ojooba. lol"
"iyooba is Benin while Iya-oba is Yoruba"

Every right thinking Yoruba that reads the above contributions from you knows you for what you're. You are always contented with ignorance. History in your view should be as you want it to be. You know Igala history better than them. Here you are again defining and structuring Yoruba history the Yorubas.

Assuming you know how a Yoruba person will see you and your contributions the moment you start drawing a line between "Iyooba and iya oba" you will know your contributions are mare junks on the thread.

gregyboy:



How would the conquered influence the conquerors tell me

The only yoruba man who came to benin was oromiyan ,tell me can only oromiyan ulter the benin lexicon,

But on the hand benin had visited the heartland of the yoruba people of ife ,they decide not to conquere them because thier son is already on the throne,
Some fraction of benin population are found in yoruba state

I spoke with a girl in Uniben she is from ondo state i asked she bears both yoruba and and edo name she explained to me her family's is benin who migrated to ondo by the order of the oba of benin before the arrival of the britsh

From this you can tell who is going to influence who by words

gregyboy:



How would the conquered influence the conquerors tell me

The only yoruba man who came to benin was oromiyan ,tell me can only oromiyan ulter the benin lexicon,

But on the hand benin had visited the heartland of the yoruba people of ife ,they decide not to conquere them because thier son is already on the throne,
Some fraction of benin population are found in yoruba state

I spoke with a girl in Uniben she is from ondo state i asked she bears both yoruba and and edo name she explained to me her family's is benin who migrated to ondo by the order of the oba of benin before the arrival of the britsh

From this you can tell who is going to influence who by words

Opiletool:


To tell you the truth, those that migrated from Benin to any part of Yoruba land were those, who followed Oromiyan or whose fathers followed oranmiyan from Ife to Benin on his journey to establish a ruling system in the land of vexation. Some departed before he, oranmiyan, returned to Ife, while some left him after he had established his kingdom. Hence the reason no traces of edo language cannot be found in those places these people migrated to. Because they came speaking the same language - albeit different dialect - with their hosts.

For example, the Ewi ruling house of Ado-Ekiti claimed that his ancestor (not that of the Ado people) came from Benin. According to that history, they named every area they had a stop, like Agbado (A town closer to Ado-Ekiti), which translates to 'The place where the elders stopped' because they were too tired to continue the journey.

Now, the question is, if these people were Benin, why would they name those places in Yoruba language? A language that is not theirs? Isn't a simple logical explanation to this is that, these people are simply Yorubas who left Benin before or after oranmiyan probably to found their own settlement, or just to leave the land of vexation for good.

Get the delusion off your little mind that your tiny land conquered any place. Language is too powerful to be allowed to evaporate just like that. English language is shaped today by the language of the Saxons that migrated to England, as well as the Normans that once conquered England.

Traces of some Yoruboid words can be found in Igbo today due to the contact the latter had with the Igala people. Despite the fact that there's no record that both the Yoruba and igbo had any contact with each other.

Every nation that once left Rome, still have some shared Latin words till today.

As far as the Caribbean nations are, there exist traces of Yoruba language and culture.

How come the Benin people you claimed left Benin to those Yoruba parts, lost their language without any traces despite the close proximity to the source? Isn't that theory laughable?

gregyboy:


Do you know agbado market is in Benin

Agbado is a typical benin word when you come to benin ask were is agbado market ,they will show you
I hope this my explaination help you understand that the people were speaking the benin dialect when they called that place agbado,
when oromiyan left its logical that his follower's accompanied him back to ife leaving the child behind
No benin record mentioned oromiyans acompliance stayed behind all account says oromiyan let with peopls who they had come with

babtoundey:


Just as you are asking, I'm also asking you who is the conquered and who is the conqueror? Who influences whom?

Thank God you admitted Oranmiyan, a Yoruba prince was a king in Benin. What language did he was he speaking? What culture did he practice, what gods did he worship? Did he jettison all he had all his life known and immidiately acculturated into Benin culture? infact, while departing his father's kingdom, did he go all alone without any Entourage? and when he wanted to depart Benin, did he go without leaving any trace aside a son. He was their to establish a non-existing political institution. This he obviously could no attain alone. While in Benin, he could not have jettisoned his belief (religion and language).

if you consider these closely, without the sentiment you're inclined to view history, you will see facts staring at you.

I may as well ask you, Is Olokun Benin good? is ogun a Benin God (funny enough, you guys even call him ogun Onire. Where is the Ire you attached him with)?

Some of you even use the exclamation "yeepa!". Is that also a Benin expression.


Yoruba influenced and birth some Benin traditional system. But arrogance and supremacist agenda will not let people like you admit. You will keep spinning theories upon theories to suit your purpose. But the truth, no matter what you do to conceal it, will always be seen.

Opiletool:


I know you will come up with one bulldung. Àgbádó means Àgbá-dúró (Elderly ones stopped). Your own Agbado can mean something else. Or perhaps, the Yorubas named the market.since you folks won't stop answering Yoruba names.

gregyboy:


Lol...funny enough benun was political disorganized and villages were still autonomous politically and ogiemien was the king the king in Benin at oromiyan arrival he placed a bounty on his head he couldnt attack the village he was because the villages were still very autonomous at that ti.e in Benin not untill oba ewauare reign bsnin was fully politically united his reign was centuries after oromiyan had left
Again oromiyan didnt rule as king his followers had all left with him back to ife
Even if oromiyan managed to had ruled his influence wouldn't be felt in the autonomous kingdom... At then

babtoundey:


It is very interesting reading your concurted version of history. "Ogiamen was the king" why Ogiamen? why not Oba has you have it today? What title did Ogiamen take as the Paramount ruler? Oba? yet Oranmiyan had no influence in Bennin? With time, to suit your purpose and sentiment, you will say Oranmiyan never ruled or visited Benin.

There was a system in place before Oranmiyan was there and there were people. The system was obviously not working and that was why he was there. He was not in Bennin to subjugate the people but to establish a political institution similar to what he had in his own settlement. And it thrived.

And you said Oranmiyan didn't rule as king. That it another joke. If he didn't rule as king, as what did he rule? As slave or servant? He didn't rule as king yet only his seeds has right to the throne. He didn't stay long. How do you come by that? He didn't stay long, but he stayed long enough to court and impregnate a woman, long enough to see to it that a child is born, long enough to see that the child is of age, long enough to partially or absolutely (as it suits you) establish a system totally alien to the people.


He came and left with all the people he came with. That is another joke. It's simply impossible and unreasonable of him to have done that.


And can you help do simple breakdown of words like
Olokun
Oba
Olu
Ogun in the context of traditional Benin religion, custom, tradition and language?

Here is the simple analysis I can do to them in Yorubas and prove to you they are veeery Yoruba
Olukun- Olu Okun. just as you have in Oluwa, Oluko, Olurombi, Olosa. Olu is used in reference to a person that own or has authority over something or to simply indicate a person. Oluwa- Olu+ wa (person + us= he that owns us). OLUROMBI - Olu + Ri + oun + bi (person + see+ object+ birth= he/she that gives birth to something). Olokun- Olu +Okun (he/authority + Okun (water body) becomes he that has authority over Okun.

Oba- O (he/she/ authority)+ ba (perches, dominates).
All these terms are as old as yoruba themselves. They have been in use long before Oranmiyan's sojourn to Benin. Why will you someone jusy wake up one morning and claim they are borrowed terms.

babtoundey:


It is very interesting reading your concurted version of history. "Ogiamen was the king" why Ogiamen? why not Oba has you have it today? What title did Ogiamen take as the Paramount ruler? Oba? yet Oranmiyan had no influence in Bennin? With time, to suit your purpose and sentiment, you will say Oranmiyan never ruled or visited Benin.

There was a system in place before Oranmiyan was there and there were people. The system was obviously not working and that was why he was there. He was not in Bennin to subjugate the people but to establish a political institution similar to what he had in his own settlement. And it thrived.

And you said Oranmiyan didn't rule as king. That it another joke. If he didn't rule as king, as what did he rule? As slave or servant? He didn't rule as king yet only his seeds has right to the throne. He didn't stay long. How do you come by that? He didn't stay long, but he stayed long enough to court and impregnate a woman, long enough to see to it that a child is born, long enough to see that the child is of age, long enough to partially or absolutely (as it suits you) establish a system totally alien to the people.


He came and left with all the people he came with. That is another joke. It's simply impossible and unreasonable of him to have done that.


And can you help do simple breakdown of words like
Olokun
Oba
Olu
Ogun in the context of traditional Benin religion, custom, tradition and language?

Here is the simple analysis I can do to them in Yorubas and prove to you they are veeery Yoruba
Olukun- Olu Okun. just as you have in Oluwa, Oluko, Olurombi, Olosa. Olu is used in reference to a person that own or has authority over something or to simply indicate a person. Oluwa- Olu+ wa (person + us= he that owns us). OLUROMBI - Olu + Ri + oun + bi (person + see+ object+ birth= he/she that gives birth to something). Olokun- Olu +Okun (he/authority + Okun (water body) becomes he that has authority over Okun.

Oba- O (he/she/ authority)+ ba (perches, dominates).
All these terms are as old as yoruba themselves. They have been in use long before Oranmiyan's sojourn to Benin. Why will you someone jusy wake up one morning and claim they are borrowed terms.

gregyboy:



Happy new yr


Is called olokun not olukun

Orimyan didn't stay upto delivery of the child oromiyan was a Benin Prince from ife
He carried the ogiso bloodline that why he was invited if he difnt we could have let ogiemen continue as king
The truth is only fellow Yoruba's like you that is buying all this lies to claim oduduwa yoruba when he is benin, we know the tiny benin people messed your beautiful history up but there is no need to denial it...
Atleast yorubas have a edge over edo peoole now to have a better history instead of rewriting the past that cant be changed
Yea we gave ife king benins didnt loose their religion to Europeans over the years they traded with them but yorubas lost thiers with little influence from outsiders that can only happen if they didnt originally own the language


Happy new yr again

babtoundey:


It is very interesting reading your concurted version of history. "Ogiamen was the king" why Ogiamen? why not Oba has you have it today? What title did Ogiamen take as the Paramount ruler? Oba? yet Oranmiyan had no influence in Bennin? With time, to suit your purpose and sentiment, you will say Oranmiyan never ruled or visited Benin.

There was a system in place before Oranmiyan was there and there were people. The system was obviously not working and that was why he was there. He was not in Bennin to subjugate the people but to establish a political institution similar to what he had in his own settlement. And it thrived.

And you said Oranmiyan didn't rule as king. That it another joke. If he didn't rule as king, as what did he rule? As slave or servant? He didn't rule as king yet only his seeds has right to the throne. He didn't stay long. How do you come by that? He didn't stay long, but he stayed long enough to court and impregnate a woman, long enough to see to it that a child is born, long enough to see that the child is of age, long enough to partially or absolutely (as it suits you) establish a system totally alien to the people.


He came and left with all the people he came with. That is another joke. It's simply impossible and unreasonable of him to have done that.


And can you help do simple breakdown of words like
Olokun
Oba
Olu
Ogun in the context of traditional Benin religion, custom, tradition and language?

Here is the simple analysis I can do to them in Yorubas and prove to you they are veeery Yoruba
Olukun- Olu Okun. just as you have in Oluwa, Oluko, Olurombi, Olosa. Olu is used in reference to a person that own or has authority over something or to simply indicate a person. Oluwa- Olu+ wa (person + us= he that owns us). OLUROMBI - Olu + Ri + oun + bi (person + see+ object+ birth= he/she that gives birth to something). Olokun- Olu +Okun (he/authority + Okun (water body) becomes he that has authority over Okun.

Oba- O (he/she/ authority)+ ba (perches, dominates).
All these terms are as old as yoruba themselves. They have been in use long before Oranmiyan's sojourn to Benin. Why will you someone jusy wake up one morning and claim they are borrowed terms.

gregyboy:



Happy new yr


Is called olokun not olukun

Orimyan didn't stay upto delivery of the child oromiyan was a Benin Prince from ife
He carried the ogiso bloodline that why he was invited if he difnt we could have let ogiemen continue as king
The truth is only fellow Yoruba's like you that is buying all this lies to claim oduduwa yoruba when he is benin, we know the tiny benin people messed your beautiful history up but there is no need to denial it...
Atleast yorubas have a edge over edo peoole now to have a better history instead of rewriting the past that cant be changed
Yea we gave ife king benins didnt loose their religion to Europeans over the years they traded with them but yorubas lost thiers with little influence from outsiders that can only happen if they didnt originally own the religion


Happy new yr again

babtoundey:



And why is it called Olokun? is that too difficult for you to explain. You simply don't know how Yoruba language works. Olu-okun is no different from Olokun. the latter is derived from the formal through a process of contraction. Through the same process, aya oba (wife of the king) becomes ayaba, iya oba becomes iyooba/iyoba, oni efo becomes elefo and many more like that.

He carried Ogiso bloodline? How come he didn't establish Ogiso ruling system. Why obaship that was never known in period of Ogiso?

At this juncture, I will leave you to dwell in perpetual ignorance and arrogance. Ogiso ko ogiyagbe ni.

babtoundey:


Just as you are asking, I'm also asking you who is the conquered and who is the conqueror? Who influences whom?

Thank God you admitted Oranmiyan, a Yoruba prince was a king in Benin. What language did he was he speaking? What culture did he practice, what gods did he worship? Did he jettison all he had all his life known and immidiately acculturated into Benin culture? infact, while departing his father's kingdom, did he go all alone without any Entourage? and when he wanted to depart Benin, did he go without leaving any trace aside a son. He was their to establish a non-existing political institution. This he obviously could no attain alone. While in Benin, he could not have jettisoned his belief (religion and language).

if you consider these closely, without the sentiment you're inclined to view history, you will see facts staring at you.

I may as well ask you, Is Olokun Benin good? is ogun a Benin God (funny enough, you guys even call him ogun Onire. Where is the Ire you attached him with)?

Some of you even use the exclamation "yeepa!". Is that also a Benin expression.


Yoruba influenced and birth some Benin traditional system. But arrogance and supremacist agenda will not let people like you admit. You will keep spinning theories upon theories to suit your purpose. But the truth, no matter what you do to conceal it, will always be seen.