₦airaland Forum

olisaEze:
Diplomacy is not cowardice. The said general did his own secretly, he should have been dealt with in the same manner without turning public opinion against the US.

Paige001:
Chicago, San Francisco, Philadelphia, washington DC in front of the white house, Times square New work.... and others to numerous to mention

olisaEze:
I’m not disputing that, I only feel the show of open aggression was not necessary. Killing a bee with a sledgehammer will only give you piles of trouble. It should have been done covertly

Openbusiness:
House Committee on Foreign Affairs, a committee of the House of Representatives, dominated by anti-Trump Democrats and an anti-Trump Speaker Nancy Pelosi that just ran the most sham one-sided single-party impeachment charade in history without a single Republican vote, and was chicken scared of the illegality she did she couldn't dare send articles of impeachment to the senate for trial. Sore losers. Trump 2020 is a sure thing. These people are the enemies from within that helps the Arab enemies outside trying to destroy America. Trump has scattered their plans so they hate him with passion. Let Iran do anyhow, they will see anyhow. Trump will bypass Congress and nothing will happen. He won't be the first president to do it and won't be the last. Bush did it, Obama did it when he sent billions of dollars in cash loaded on planes to a terrorist enemy state Iran overnight without Congressional approval, sent billions in cash to a country and government that openly chants death to America all the time, even in their Parliament. But the Republicans didn't impeach him for it. Rather they waited to take over power and they succeeded with Trump. Trump 2020, Pence 2024 - 2032, then after that Ben Carson 2033 to 2041. The Democrats have a long time left to cry

Onitola2:
if the war should start, Iran will probably be crushed but will never go down without throwing a punch or two, many Americans will suffer as well, it would be better if trump released the evidence that the man was planning to bomb America as he claimed, then everybody will see that he's right, u can't just bomb a top officials of a country (especially one you don't like each other) and expect them to be mute. When they killed saddam then, they said he had a weapon that will destroy the world, later on they said he didn't have any.

Paige001:
judging by the prostests that was held in over 70 cities in the US it is clear that majority of the american people don't want war, so Donald Trump should just try and avoid war with Iran, America should just leave the middle east alone, they should bring all their soldiers home, and leave the people of the middle east to run their affairs themselves, the should just stop interfering in middle east matters

GeneralPula:
All cuz of selfish interest, you want to propose a war!

Some useless mofo on Nairaland being dey happy say make war start!

Humphrizy:
For Twitter to ban Donald is like telling River Niger to stop flowing because there is little or less power in Nigeria.

Jack knows what he do gain just from Donald Trump's Retweets.

Thought US been wan impeach Trump?

lifeisbeautiful:
If US leave the middle east,how will they sell weapons? How will they get free crude oil ? The US marine protect oil well and refineries when they invade any country.
Arab don't produce arms,even the terrorist have sophisticated weapons,Trumps first international visit was Saudi Arabia,he sign arm deal of over $100 billion and you want them to leave,from Qatar,to U.A.E the America government provide security,so they don't need peace in that region and as soon as there is no peace the world powers continue to benefit from the middle east war

lifeisbeautiful:
If US leave the middle east,how will they sell weapons? How will they get free crude oil ? The US marine protect oil well and refineries when they invade any country.
Arab don't produce arms,even the terrorist have sophisticated weapons,Trumps first international visit was Saudi Arabia,he sign arm deal of over $100 billion and you want them to leave,from Qatar,to U.A.E the America government provide security,so they don't need peace in that region and as soon as there is no peace the world powers continue to benefit from the middle east war

GeneralPula:
All cuz of selfish interest, you want to propose a war!

Some useless mofo on Nairaland being dey happy say make war start!

CyberWolf:
The key thing here is that he drew first blood, whether secretly or openly is irrelevant. I like the way America dealt with him swiftly and openly, it shows that they ain’t playing around no more. So anybody thinking of attacking them should think twice.

Openbusiness:
House Committee on Foreign Affairs, a committee of the House of Representatives, dominated by anti-Trump Democrats and an anti-Trump Speaker Nancy Pelosi that just ran the most sham one-sided single-party impeachment charade in history without a single Republican vote, and was chicken scared of the illegality she did she couldn't dare send articles of impeachment to the senate for trial. Sore losers. Trump 2020 is a sure thing. These people are the enemies from within that helps the Arab enemies outside trying to destroy America. Trump has scattered their plans so they hate him with passion. Let Iran do anyhow, they will see anyhow. Trump will bypass Congress and nothing will happen. He won't be the first president to do it and won't be the last. Bush did it, Obama did it when he sent billions of dollars in cash loaded on planes to a terrorist enemy state Iran overnight without Congressional approval, sent billions in cash to a country and government that openly chants death to America all the time, even in their Parliament. But the Republicans didn't impeach him for it. Rather they waited to take over power and they succeeded with Trump. Trump 2020, Pence 2024 - 2032, then after that Ben Carson 2033 to 2041. The Democrats have a long time left to cry

TOPCRUISE:
US is the one threatening Iran and not Iran threatening the US

careytommy37:
*TRUMP KILLS IRAN’S MOST OVERRATED WARRIOR*
..........
Suleimani pushed his country to build an empire, but drove it into the ground instead.
..........
By Thomas L. Friedman, Columnist, New York Times (January 03, 2020)
..........

One day they may name a street after President Trump in Tehran. Why? Because Trump just ordered the assassination of possibly the dumbest man in Iran and the most overrated strategist in the Middle East: Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani.
Think of the miscalculations this guy made. In 2015, the United States and the major European powers agreed to lift virtually all their sanctions on Iran, many dating back to 1979, in return for Iran halting its nuclear weapons program for a mere 15 years, but still maintaining the right to have a peaceful nuclear program. It was a great deal for Iran. Its economy grew by over 12 percent the next year. And what did Suleimani do with that windfall?

He and Iran’s supreme leader launched an aggressive regional imperial project that made Iran and its proxies the de facto controlling power in Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad and Sana. This freaked out U.S. allies in the Sunni Arab world and Israel — and they pressed the Trump administration to respond. Trump himself was eager to tear up any treaty forged by President Obama, so he exited the nuclear deal and imposed oil sanctions on Iran that have now shrunk the Iranian economy by almost 10 percent and sent unemployment over 16 percent.

All that for the pleasure of saying that Tehran can call the shots in Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad and Sana. What exactly was second prize?

With the Tehran regime severely deprived of funds, the ayatollahs had to raise gasoline prices at home, triggering massive domestic protests. That required a harsh crackdown by Iran’s clerics against their own people that left thousands jailed and killed, further weakening the legitimacy of the regime.
Then Mr. “Military Genius” Suleimani decided that, having propped up the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, and helping to kill 500,000 Syrians in the process, he would overreach again and try to put direct pressure on Israel. He would do this by trying to transfer precision-guided rockets from Iran to Iranian proxy forces in Lebanon and Syria.

Alas, Suleimani discovered that fighting Israel — specifically, its combined air force, special forces, intelligence and cyber — is not like fighting the Nusra front or the Islamic State. The Israelis hit back hard, sending a whole bunch of Iranians home from Syria in caskets and hammering their proxies as far away as Western Iraq.
Indeed, Israeli intelligence had so penetrated Suleimani’s Quds Force and its proxies that Suleimani would land a plane with precision munitions in Syria at 5 p.m., and the Israeli air force would blow it up by 5:30 p.m. Suleimani’s men were like fish in a barrel. If Iran had a free press and a real parliament, he would have been fired for colossal mismanagement.

But it gets better, or actually worse, for Suleimani. Many of his obituaries say that he led the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq, in tacit alliance with America. Well, that’s true. But what they omit is that Suleimani’s, and Iran’s, overreaching in Iraq helped to produce the Islamic State in the first place.

It was Suleimani and his Quds Force pals who pushed Iraq’s Shiite prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, to push Sunnis out of the Iraqi government and army, stop paying salaries to Sunni soldiers, kill and arrest large numbers of peaceful Sunni protesters and generally turn Iraq into a Shiite-dominated sectarian state. The Islamic State was the counterreaction.

Finally, it was Suleimani’s project of making Iran the imperial power in the Middle East that turned Iran into the most hated power in the Middle East for many of the young, rising pro-democracy forces — both Sunnis and Shiites — in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

As the Iranian-American scholar Ray Takeyh pointed out in a wise essay in Politico, in recent years “Soleimani began expanding Iran’s imperial frontiers. For the first time in its history, Iran became a true regional power, stretching its influence from the banks of the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf. Soleimani understood that Persians would not be willing to die in distant battlefields for the sake of Arabs, so he focused on recruiting Arabs and Afghans as an auxiliary force. He often boasted that he could create a militia in little time and deploy it against Iran’s various enemies.”

It was precisely those Suleimani proxies — Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria, the Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq, and the Houthis in Yemen — that created pro-Iranian Shiite states-within-states in all of these countries. And it was precisely these states-within-states that helped to prevent any of these countries from cohering, fostered massive corruption and kept these countries from developing infrastructure — schools, roads, electricity.
And therefore it was Suleimani and his proxies — his “kingmakers” in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq — who increasingly came to be seen, and hated, as imperial powers in the region, even more so than Trump’s America. This triggered popular, authentic, bottom-up democracy movements in Lebanon and Iraq that involved Sunnis and Shiites locking arms together to demand noncorrupt, nonsectarian democratic governance.

On Nov. 27, Iraqi Shiites — yes, Iraqi Shiites — burned down the Iranian consulate in Najaf, Iraq, removing the Iranian flag from the building and putting an Iraqi flag in its place. That was after Iraqi Shiites, in September 2018, set the Iranian consulate in Basra ablaze, shouting condemnations of Iran’s interference in Iraqi politics.
The whole “protest” against the United States Embassy compound in Baghdad last week was almost certainly a Suleimani-staged operation to make it look as if Iraqis wanted America out when in fact it was the other way around. The protesters were paid pro-Iranian militiamen. No one in Baghdad was fooled by this.

In a way, it’s what got Suleimani killed. He so wanted to cover his failures in Iraq he decided to start provoking the Americans there by shelling their forces, hoping they would overreact, kill Iraqis and turn them against the United States. Trump, rather than taking the bait, killed Suleimani instead.

I have no idea whether this was wise or what will be the long-term implications. But here are two things I do know about the Middle East.
First, often in the Middle East the opposite of “bad” is not “good.” The opposite of bad often turns out to be “disorder.” Just because you take out a really bad actor like Suleimani doesn’t mean a good actor, or a good change in policy, comes in his wake. Suleimani is part of a system called the Islamic Revolution in Iran. That revolution has managed to use oil money and violence to stay in power since 1979 — and that is Iran’s tragedy, a tragedy that the death of one Iranian general will not change.
Today’s Iran is the heir to a great civilization and the home of an enormously talented people and significant culture. Wherever Iranians go in the world today, they thrive as scientists, doctors, artists, writers and filmmakers — except in the Islamic Republic of Iran, whose most famous exports are suicide bombing, cyberterrorism and proxy militia leaders. The very fact that Suleimani was probably the most famous Iranian in the region speaks to the utter emptiness of this regime, and how it has wasted the lives of two generations of Iranians by looking for dignity in all the wrong places and in all the wrong ways.

The other thing I know is that in the Middle East all important politics happens the morning after the morning after.
Yes, in the coming days there will be noisy protests in Iran, the burning of American flags and much crying for the “martyr.” The morning after the morning after? There will be a thousand quiet conversations inside Iran that won’t get reported. They will be about the travesty that is their own government and how it has squandered so much of Iran’s wealth and talent on an imperial project that has made Iran hated in the Middle East.
And yes, the morning after, America’s Sunni Arab allies will quietly celebrate Suleimani’s death, but we must never forget that it is the dysfunction of many of the Sunni Arab regimes — their lack of freedom, modern education and women’s empowerment — that made them so weak that Iran was able to take them over from the inside with its proxies.
I write these lines while flying over New Zealand, where the smoke from forest fires 2,500 miles away over eastern Australia can be seen and felt. Mother Nature doesn’t know Suleimani’s name, but everyone in the Arab world is going to know her name. Because the Middle East, particularly Iran, is becoming an environmental disaster area — running out of water, with rising desertification and overpopulation. If governments there don’t stop fighting and come together to build resilience against climate change — rather than celebrating self-promoting military frauds who conquer failed states and make them fail even more — they’re all doomed.

Lucid1:
You're like the proverbial parent that compares their kids to every other kid they admire.

GeneralPula:
All cuz of selfish interest, you want to propose a war

careytommy37:
*TRUMP KILLS IRAN’S MOST OVERRATED WARRIOR*
..........
Suleimani pushed his country to build an empire, but drove it into the ground instead.
..........
By Thomas L. Friedman, Columnist, New York Times (January 03, 2020)
..........

One day they may name a street after President Trump in Tehran. Why? Because Trump just ordered the assassination of possibly the dumbest man in Iran and the most overrated strategist in the Middle East: Maj. Gen. Qassim Suleimani.
Think of the miscalculations this guy made. In 2015, the United States and the major European powers agreed to lift virtually all their sanctions on Iran, many dating back to 1979, in return for Iran halting its nuclear weapons program for a mere 15 years, but still maintaining the right to have a peaceful nuclear program. It was a great deal for Iran. Its economy grew by over 12 percent the next year. And what did Suleimani do with that windfall?

He and Iran’s supreme leader launched an aggressive regional imperial project that made Iran and its proxies the de facto controlling power in Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad and Sana. This freaked out U.S. allies in the Sunni Arab world and Israel — and they pressed the Trump administration to respond. Trump himself was eager to tear up any treaty forged by President Obama, so he exited the nuclear deal and imposed oil sanctions on Iran that have now shrunk the Iranian economy by almost 10 percent and sent unemployment over 16 percent.

All that for the pleasure of saying that Tehran can call the shots in Beirut, Damascus, Baghdad and Sana. What exactly was second prize?

With the Tehran regime severely deprived of funds, the ayatollahs had to raise gasoline prices at home, triggering massive domestic protests. That required a harsh crackdown by Iran’s clerics against their own people that left thousands jailed and killed, further weakening the legitimacy of the regime.
Then Mr. “Military Genius” Suleimani decided that, having propped up the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, and helping to kill 500,000 Syrians in the process, he would overreach again and try to put direct pressure on Israel. He would do this by trying to transfer precision-guided rockets from Iran to Iranian proxy forces in Lebanon and Syria.

Alas, Suleimani discovered that fighting Israel — specifically, its combined air force, special forces, intelligence and cyber — is not like fighting the Nusra front or the Islamic State. The Israelis hit back hard, sending a whole bunch of Iranians home from Syria in caskets and hammering their proxies as far away as Western Iraq.
Indeed, Israeli intelligence had so penetrated Suleimani’s Quds Force and its proxies that Suleimani would land a plane with precision munitions in Syria at 5 p.m., and the Israeli air force would blow it up by 5:30 p.m. Suleimani’s men were like fish in a barrel. If Iran had a free press and a real parliament, he would have been fired for colossal mismanagement.

But it gets better, or actually worse, for Suleimani. Many of his obituaries say that he led the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq, in tacit alliance with America. Well, that’s true. But what they omit is that Suleimani’s, and Iran’s, overreaching in Iraq helped to produce the Islamic State in the first place.

It was Suleimani and his Quds Force pals who pushed Iraq’s Shiite prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, to push Sunnis out of the Iraqi government and army, stop paying salaries to Sunni soldiers, kill and arrest large numbers of peaceful Sunni protesters and generally turn Iraq into a Shiite-dominated sectarian state. The Islamic State was the counterreaction.

Finally, it was Suleimani’s project of making Iran the imperial power in the Middle East that turned Iran into the most hated power in the Middle East for many of the young, rising pro-democracy forces — both Sunnis and Shiites — in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

As the Iranian-American scholar Ray Takeyh pointed out in a wise essay in Politico, in recent years “Soleimani began expanding Iran’s imperial frontiers. For the first time in its history, Iran became a true regional power, stretching its influence from the banks of the Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf. Soleimani understood that Persians would not be willing to die in distant battlefields for the sake of Arabs, so he focused on recruiting Arabs and Afghans as an auxiliary force. He often boasted that he could create a militia in little time and deploy it against Iran’s various enemies.”

It was precisely those Suleimani proxies — Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria, the Popular Mobilization Forces in Iraq, and the Houthis in Yemen — that created pro-Iranian Shiite states-within-states in all of these countries. And it was precisely these states-within-states that helped to prevent any of these countries from cohering, fostered massive corruption and kept these countries from developing infrastructure — schools, roads, electricity.
And therefore it was Suleimani and his proxies — his “kingmakers” in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq — who increasingly came to be seen, and hated, as imperial powers in the region, even more so than Trump’s America. This triggered popular, authentic, bottom-up democracy movements in Lebanon and Iraq that involved Sunnis and Shiites locking arms together to demand noncorrupt, nonsectarian democratic governance.

On Nov. 27, Iraqi Shiites — yes, Iraqi Shiites — burned down the Iranian consulate in Najaf, Iraq, removing the Iranian flag from the building and putting an Iraqi flag in its place. That was after Iraqi Shiites, in September 2018, set the Iranian consulate in Basra ablaze, shouting condemnations of Iran’s interference in Iraqi politics.
The whole “protest” against the United States Embassy compound in Baghdad last week was almost certainly a Suleimani-staged operation to make it look as if Iraqis wanted America out when in fact it was the other way around. The protesters were paid pro-Iranian militiamen. No one in Baghdad was fooled by this.

In a way, it’s what got Suleimani killed. He so wanted to cover his failures in Iraq he decided to start provoking the Americans there by shelling their forces, hoping they would overreact, kill Iraqis and turn them against the United States. Trump, rather than taking the bait, killed Suleimani instead.

I have no idea whether this was wise or what will be the long-term implications. But here are two things I do know about the Middle East.
First, often in the Middle East the opposite of “bad” is not “good.” The opposite of bad often turns out to be “disorder.” Just because you take out a really bad actor like Suleimani doesn’t mean a good actor, or a good change in policy, comes in his wake. Suleimani is part of a system called the Islamic Revolution in Iran. That revolution has managed to use oil money and violence to stay in power since 1979 — and that is Iran’s tragedy, a tragedy that the death of one Iranian general will not change.
Today’s Iran is the heir to a great civilization and the home of an enormously talented people and significant culture. Wherever Iranians go in the world today, they thrive as scientists, doctors, artists, writers and filmmakers — except in the Islamic Republic of Iran, whose most famous exports are suicide bombing, cyberterrorism and proxy militia leaders. The very fact that Suleimani was probably the most famous Iranian in the region speaks to the utter emptiness of this regime, and how it has wasted the lives of two generations of Iranians by looking for dignity in all the wrong places and in all the wrong ways.

The other thing I know is that in the Middle East all important politics happens the morning after the morning after.
Yes, in the coming days there will be noisy protests in Iran, the burning of American flags and much crying for the “martyr.” The morning after the morning after? There will be a thousand quiet conversations inside Iran that won’t get reported. They will be about the travesty that is their own government and how it has squandered so much of Iran’s wealth and talent on an imperial project that has made Iran hated in the Middle East.
And yes, the morning after, America’s Sunni Arab allies will quietly celebrate Suleimani’s death, but we must never forget that it is the dysfunction of many of the Sunni Arab regimes — their lack of freedom, modern education and women’s empowerment — that made them so weak that Iran was able to take them over from the inside with its proxies.
I write these lines while flying over New Zealand, where the smoke from forest fires 2,500 miles away over eastern Australia can be seen and felt. Mother Nature doesn’t know Suleimani’s name, but everyone in the Arab world is going to know her name. Because the Middle East, particularly Iran, is becoming an environmental disaster area — running out of water, with rising desertification and overpopulation. If governments there don’t stop fighting and come together to build resilience against climate change — rather than celebrating self-promoting military frauds who conquer failed states and make them fail even more — they’re all doomed.

tolexy007:
Lubbish, Abeg make US and Iran choose date for d war, make I go subscribe to my Gotv first

Tochitee:
Ask your old folks,with sympathy and mercies due to civilians casualties,they can hold them for 5 years! Just like the Nigeria armies had pity for your poor biafran army until they decided to use a quicker measures to end your stupidity with famine.

Openbusiness:
Sir everyone with sense knows Trump was right. Terrorists this guy controls had already gathered and attacked the US embassy in Iraq and broken in but unfortunately for them a US traitor like Obama is no longer president, Trump is, so they had reinforcements of Marines fly in within one hour to repel the terrorists attacks, otherwise a Benghazi part 2 would have happened. So their plan to destroy the Embassy failed, this guy gets the Intel and rushes back to Iraq in company of local terrorists leaders to probably access the situation, regroup and coordinate another attack. But unfortunately for him, they didn't think Trump will react so quickly in a no-nonsense manner. They were still thinking it was business as usual like the time under Obama where they destroyed the embassy, killed Americans and an American Ambassador and nothing happened. Obama went to sleep and turned the blind eyes, only to blame it on an unknown anti-mohammed video in the morning. Now the world can see that America is back under Trump, and Trump doesn't joke around. See all those tweets he's tweeting at 2AM, just cross the line and watch those tweets become reality within 24 hours . Obama drew hundreds of red lines, when they cross it, he will draw another one, lol. But Trump only draws one red line, cross it and all that shiny new trillion dollar usa military equipment will be pointing your way immediately.

GogobiriLalas:
LIE! America doesn't need Mid-East oil anymore, it produces its own energy surplus and is even willing to start exports albeit it's already started.

America doesn't need to sell arms outsideits borders, the American Government is thelargest patron of American Arms Manufacturers, where do you think the $720b budget for defense goes to?
Yes Mid East oil can subsidize local production and yes no one can say no to Mid East Maga money but America can certainly survive without it.
If America left that Satan's dwelling called the Mid East, in not more than 6mths they will come crawling back to beg America to return and save them from some crazy Islamist insurgency RE Isis

lifeisbeautiful:
I don't like arguing,but do you watch Trumps when he was addressing the media after the departure of America troops from Syria,when Turkey troops want to going into Kurds region,he open say they are protect the oil and refineries.
The money for military budget is from where ? America is in huge debt,do you think America will give aid for free,do you think their present in middle east is free. Why will they send thousand of troops to another man's land without benefit, Putin is backing Asad because he's paying heavily to remain in power,China presence in Africa is because they want to give loan that African government will never be able to pay back,and this loan are not most direct cash. Loan in form of aid,
So just let division come to Nigeria,you will see America marine in Nigeria

hisexcellency34:
Iran threatening US is like Biafra or IPOB threatening Nigeria. We all know the aftermath

Onitola2:
I support ur opinions and trump, I'm a Muslim (a Sharia law degree holder as well) and every terrorist should be crushed, but at least let everyone know y u do such thing. To some(or many) the guy is innocent until it is proven otherwise.

rottennaija:
Trump should just strike Iran or Iran should just strike US. Let's get this war over with, we been singing this song of WW3 for decades

GenerousK:
[Iquote author=rottennaija post=85543703]Trump should just strike Iran or Iran should just strike US. Let's get this war over with, we been singing this song of WW3 for decades


For you and every other person clamoring for WW3 on this thread and every other SM platform, it actually shows your level of Intelligence. Ask those that witnessed ordinary Biafran war in Nigeria if they have gotten over it. What did you think made God tell the Israelites to pray for the Peace of the City of their captivity? FTC is not a Nobel price so please, if you don't have something "brainy" to say, just pit a dot, its a comment to. My here see www www www
#notoww3

Successlane:
Remember the blood that will be shed on both side of he divide are HUMANS like YOU.