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shadeyinka:
But I gave an example of a missionary friend of mine. Should she stop ministering?

Note that
1. I didn't say women should have authority over men in the church.
2. I have only pointed out exceptions for the letters kill
3. If we must follow the letters strictly (like the Pharisees who will give a tithe of salt) the implication is that
a. Some spiritual gifts/offices are not given to women such as Apostle, Teacher, Pastor and Prophet.
4. In the mission fields, we see lots of exceptions. In the formal church, a woman MUST NOT lead the church.

field work is different from pastoring. Op is about having women pastorship in the church not field work or prophesying try to read and understand op properly. Pastors are like apostles their position is one of authority in the church. @ bolded you are simply repeating op.
A pastor has authority over a church putting women as pastors in the church mean making them have authority over a man.
As for the pharisees, there is nothing wrong in paying tithe as the law suggest even Jesus obey all the law without breaking anyone does that make Jesus a pharisee too? What Jesus is against is selecting which law to obey or which one not to obey according to ones desire such hypocrisy Jesus condemn. The law must be obey on all its entirety not partially.
Jesus quarrel with the pharisee is that they uphold some part of the law like tithing, offering but negelect other part like judgment and mercy.
Jesus never condemn tithing or keeping to the law or else it would make Jesus a law breaker (a sinner)

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

1StopRudeness:
by urself u wrote sons daughters, yet you are asking me where are the young women? are daughters not equal to young women....is it not the Young women that will become old..??..
when I said we should not pick a verse and say what it ddnt even say: I was refering to the OPs claim that becos Jesus chose 12 male disciples means women can't become pastors...that's a very long conclusion from Jesus' decision of selecting male followers....
To ur last question, I don't know what the question even means or its relevance in this context of disscusion...but to answer your prophesying and teaching isn't the same, I only mentioned prophesying in Joel cos the spirit of God was mentioned there by God himself and Paul let us know also in 1cor 12 that the same spirit of God is the source of all spiritual expression in all Christians including prophesying which are all for the edification of the body christ...

where u got "teaching" from in ur question and it's comparison to prophesying is what I don't get in ur question...

Are you telling us that the same church and body of Christ that allowed women to prophesy but didn't allow them to have authority over men were wrong?

solite3:
field work is different from pastoring. Op is about having women pastorship in the church not field work or prophesying try to read and understand op properly. Pastors are like apostles their position is one of authority in the church. @ bolded you are simply repeating op.
A pastor has authority over a church putting women as pastors in the church mean making them have authority over a man.
As for the pharisees, there is nothing wrong in paying tithe as the law suggest even Jesus obey all the law without breaking anyone does that make Jesus a pharisee too? What Jesus is against is selecting which law to obey or which one not to obey according to ones desire such hypocrisy Jesus condemn. The law must be obey on all its entirety not partially.
Jesus quarrel with the pharisee is that they uphold some part of the law like tithing, offering but negelect other part like judgment and mercy.
Jesus never condemn tithing or keeping to the law or else it would make Jesus a law breaker (a sinner)

Matthew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

I certainly do not subscribe to women pastoring/administer churches. The only exception is if ALL the men are babes/new converts and there is no spiritually matured male that can head the church. Even if ALL the men are babes, it would be a sin on whoever the woman is to keep them as babes so that she can rule over them.

God has designed it so: that order may be in the church. The Man is the head of his wife just as Christ is the head of the man. It has nothing to do with the intelligence of the wife, her wealth, her connection as long as the husband is a "MAN" indeed. By man, it means mature (not a babe: can take decision on his own)

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shadeyinka:
I certainly do not subscribe to women pastoring/administer churches. The only exception is if ALL the men are babes/new converts and there is no spiritually matured male that can head the church. Even if ALL the men are babes, it would be a sin on whoever the woman is to keep them as babes so that she can rule over them.

God has designed it so: that order may be in the church. The Man is the head of his wife just as Christ is the head of the man. It has nothing to do with the intelligence of the wife, her wealth, her connection as long as the husband is a "MAN" indeed. By man, it means mature (not a babe: can take decision on his own)

then it mean having a woman to pastor a church is not an ideal situation . By the way, the bible didnt give such conditions whether the man is spiritually matured or not, it is not right because it still put the woman in a position authority over a man.

There are women who are married to non christian men does that men that because the men are unbelivers then the women should automatically assume the position of authority over her husband, if so why did the the apostle command women to submit even to non believing husband, see women are never design to take authority over a man by God. God made Adam first and then the women, A woman is an helpmate to a man and not his head, such other is reflected withing the church.

BlueAngel444:
Are you telling us that the same church and body of Christ that allowed women to prophesy but didn't allow them to have authority over men were wrong?

Ur questions are hard to understand please I ddnt insinuate the above.... mostly I don’t get its premiseout of all the point dropped here....so, no comment here

solite3:
then it mean having a woman to pastor a church is not an ideal situation . By the way, the bible didnt give such conditions whether the man is spiritually matured or not, it is not right because it still put the woman in a position authority over a man.

There are women who are married to non christian men does that men that because the men are unbelivers then the women should automatically assume the position of authority over her husband, if so why did the the apostle command women to submit even to non believing husband, see women are never design to take authority over a man by God. God made Adam first and then the women, A woman is an helpmate to a man and not his head, such other is reflected withing the church.

But in field Work, except the minister is a man, the worker may find out that she's acting in the offices of
Apostle
Prophet
Teacher
Pastor
Evangelist
all at once.

shadeyinka:
But in field Work, except the minister is a man, the worker may find out that she's acting in the offices of
Apostle
Prophet
Teacher
Pastor
Evangelist
all at once.

field work is not pastoring a church.

solite3:
field work is not pastoring a church.

But the church is simply a congregation of people who have been saved.

The assembly of 12 new converts is a church by proper definition

1StopRudeness:
With all due respect to u Maximus69 cos I’ve learnt one or two stuffs from ur previous post.... this is just another jumping into conclusions..like the ops point that Jesus selected only male followers hence, women can’t be pastors.
With respect to ur point on women not being mentioned unless they did something great or bad....right from the start God mentioned Eve not after she messed up.....

for crying out loud, that’s not a Deliberate action of sidelining women, in those old days females are not known for too many exploits to begin with......Women were reduced to almost nothing In a male dominating environment in the Old days. not counted with population, their roles were almost reduced to wifing and birthing only....hence there was no reason for their names to come up much unless necessary .....
Technically it’s same thing for the men, cos the men mentioned in scriptures were also men who did relevant things or they needed to be mentioned because of their direct or indirect connection with the lineage of Jesus...cos there were so many men not mentioned in scriptures as well....

Till today children are addressed like they belong to their father only, even in western civilized world...we all take our fathers name not mothers..this is not Gods instruction, it’s a human practice of a male dominated world. from biblical times as well, this is the same reason lineages were documented based on fathers name... which is the same for Jesus.... Technically and in reality Joseph isn’t the father of Jesus.. but the lineage of Jesus was traced from Adam to Joseph as his father and not Mary..because fathers name was used a child’s identity and not the mothers in those days.....

Mr Maximus I don’t get how these above serves as examples for us to learn that women aren't supposed to hold prominent post..really I’m not seeing it as a reason.

With respect to ur condition: “qualified men” ...
What does that even mean?...holy men, righteous men, holyspirit filled men?? At the end of the day none of us is perfect or qualified..appointment in churches these days are based on politics...gone are the days holyspirit speaks like when the apostles gather d together in a fast and Paul and barnabas was selected in the book of acts
See.... the creator of the universe in his mercy specializes in bringing his glory out of imperfect vessels and he knows how he uses us all as he wills...no one is qualified not male not female....he saved us all equally, no slave, no free, no more Jews or gentiles, and he pours out his spirit equally..... it’s is those that make them selves available that will be able to run far and make exploits with God’s gift of the holyspirit

Please stop the "with due respect" of a thing, if you're willing to obey what God's word says you're a qualified minister of God's word. You may not be able to lead his congregation if you're a female, but you can be useful in so many other fields!

Qualified Men simply means Men baptised as Christians!

No matter how young they may be, once they're baptized, no woman can lead them in any sacred service!

All the women even their own mother who taught them God's word must bow to the order that her son has now become FULLY COMPETENT AND COMPLETELY EQUIPPED FOR ALL SACRED SERVICES! 2Timothy 3:16-17

shadeyinka:
I have never said women can head the church nor oversee the church nor have authority over the church of Christ. I have simply stated when exceptions may occur (as David was excepted to eat of the shew bread). The only exception is if there are NO spiritual men (spiritually qualified). Spiritual maturity isn't about being a physical man but being a spiritual man.
That is why Timothy even though being a male was taught by a woman.

If you have objection to the above, Can you please advise this my sister who "was called by God" to minister in places where no Christian presence is available?

ORDERLINESS is what's missing there Sir!

The Apostles were the GOVERNING BODY of the first century Christian Congregation back then.

Please note that they never i repeat THEY NEVER sent any female out on a LONE missionary work!

All those sent were MALES!

So the woman in question is on a misinformed Churchgoer mission, she is NOT a Christian!

JMAN05:
A woman can be a minister, a preacher of the good news to unbelievers.

This is your own teaching/interpretation because it is not expressly commanded in the scripture.

JMAN05:
She can also be a prophetess. But these gifts from the spirit does not mean being a Pastor - a shepherd in the congregation. This is reserved for the men. (1Tim 3)

Not only a prophetess, but also an Apostle, Teacher, etc 1 Corinthians 12:28.

The Word of God never assigned these gifts from a gender position.

JMAN05:
Check verse 8. You ll see that Suh gift as pastor is for men.

JMAN05 the term "men" is not used for the adult male human but the human race or human kind.

If we should go by your logic it means that;

1. It is only men that can trespass. Matthew 6:15

2. It is only men we should confess the name of Jesus to. Matthew 10:32

JMAN05:
Overseer is overseer. An overseer is still an elder/pastor. The scripture does not allow women to shoulder that responsibility.

Like I said earlier, a general overseer or bishop MUST BE A MAN AND THE HEAD OF A CHURCH. He can also play the role of a pastor, teacher, prophet, apostle etc. A woman can also play any of these roles but cannot be appointed as a general overseer or bishop.

We must compare 1Timothy 2:12 with 1Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 in order to have a balance interpretation.

shadeyinka:
But the church is simply a congregation of people who have been saved.

The assembly of 12 new converts is a church by proper definition

I won't stop redirecting you to the way TRUE Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) are organized!

A young lady living in a foreign land got baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses but back home there are no witnesses. When she got back home and started relating what Jehovah's Witnesses taught her, most of her people love it. But she can't start any missionary work alone, so she contacted the head quarters, from there they delegated QUALIFIED MEN from a town closer to hers and these men came with volunteers who understood the local language to build a Congregation (Church) in that town.

So everything goes decently and by arrangement Sir! 1Corinthians 14:40

CaveAdullam:
This is your own teaching/interpretation because it is not expressly commanded in the scripture.
Not only a prophetess, but also an Apostle, Teacher, etc 1 Corinthians 12:28.
The Word of God never assigned these gifts from a gender position.
JMAN05 the term "men" is not used for the adult male human but the human race or human kind.

If we should go by your logic it means that;

1. It is only men that can trespass. Matthew 6:15

2. It is only men we should confess the name of Jesus to. Matthew 10:32
Like I said earlier, a general overseer or bishop MUST BE A MAN AND THE HEAD OF A CHURCH. He can also play the role of a pastor, teacher, prophet, apostle etc. A woman can also play any of these roles but cannot be appointed as a general overseer or bishop.

We must compare 1Timothy 2:12 with 1Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 in order to have a balance interpretation.

God never appoint women in those positions because they're not created to make decisions, they are to complement whatever men decided upon.

That's why God's word referred to them as the WEAKER VESSELS {1Peter 3:7} God won't use these WEAKER VESSELS to carry heavy responsibilities that men (WEAK VESSELS) often fumble carrying! 1Timothy 2:14

Maximus69:
I won't stop redirecting you to the way TRUE Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) are organized!

A young lady living in a foreign land got baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses but back home there are no witnesses. When she got back home and started relating what Jehovah's Witnesses taught her, most of her people love it. But she can't start any missionary work alone, so she contacted the head quarters, from there they delegated QUALIFIED MEN from a town closer to hers and these men came with volunteers who understood the local language to build a Congregation (Church) in that town.

So everything goes decently and by arrangement Sir! 1Corinthians 14:40

Coming from an organisation who believe that the gifts and calling of God has ceased.
I hear you!

Maximus69:
ORDERLINESS is what's missing there Sir!

The Apostles were the GOVERNING BODY of the first century Christian Congregation back then.

Please note that they never i repeat THEY NEVER sent any female out on a LONE missionary work!

All those sent were MALES!

So the woman in question is on a misinformed Churchgoer mission, she is NOT a Christian!

And all that were sent were Jews or with Jewish blood.
It's a very good example as I see that they (the apostles) never sent any Caucasian nor African nor Arab.

Acts1:8 to me isn't gender specific!

shadeyinka:
Coming from an organisation who believe that the gifts and calling of God has ceased.
I hear you!

Well that's why there is NOTHING like clarity and order today amongst Christendom Churches.

Each one is hiding under the GIFT and CALLING umbrella to commit all manner of atrocities in the name of HOLY SPIRIT!

My friend is a redeem branch pastor, i can't just stop laughing whenever he's trying condemn the white garment Churches, there is no scripture to back his words. He'll just be saying
"Can't you see? anyone having the HOLY GHOST will know that they're FAKE!"

Maximus69:
God never appoint women in those positions because they're not created to make decisions, they are to complement whatever men decided upon.

is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific?

1 Corinthians 12:28

KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11

KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Maximus69:
That's why God's word referred to them as the WEAKER VESSELS {1Peter 3:7} God won't use these WEAKER VESSELS to carry heavy responsibilities that men (WEAK VESSELS) often fumble carrying! 1Timothy 2:14

Firstly, I will like you to go back to 1 Timothy 2:14 so that you can understand it properly because it doesn't tally or explain your points. They are both parallel.

Lets see 2 Timothy 2:20-21

KJV:But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

KJV:If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

From the above bible passage we can see that a vessel of honour fit for the Master's use is not considered from a gender perspective.

shadeyinka:
But the church is simply a congregation of people who have been saved.

The assembly of 12 new converts is a church by proper definition

It is wrong, your friend is not obeying the word of God, evangelist do not pastor a church they sinply convert souls and wait for the church to send pastor to lead the church and it is a shame you support such unbiblical act instead of correcting her. If you were spiritual you would have no she was not suppose to lead a church.

shadeyinka:
And all that were sent were Jews or with Jewish blood.
It's a very good example as I see that they (the apostles) never sent any Caucasian nor African nor Arab.

Acts1:8 to me isn't gender specific!

Jesus' instructions wasn't directed to none Jews as well {Matthew 15:24} when he was promising them mansions in HEAVEN, it was a promise made ONLY to the Jews! Revelations 7:5-8
But because the main people weren't responsive {John 1:11-12} that's why the invitation was blown open to NONE JEWS! Matthew 22 :1-14

Nevertheless divine approval must come from the Jews first! Isaiah 2:3

That's why Jesus SPECIFICALLY chose Paul as an Apostle for the nations {1Timothy 2:7} while the first twelve are to serve as Apostles to the Jews!
Note that Paul's name is not included in the names of the 12 Apostles whose names were written on the foundation stones of that HEAVENLY city! Revelation 21:14

Well it is because Paul (though an Apostle) is serving under the 12 members of the Governing Body, failure to comply with whatever they give him as order means heavens have rejected him! Matthew 16:18-19

But whatever order Paul give to the nations is as that of Jesus who Appointed him to connect us to himself. Failure to comply with whatever rules Paul gives means YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN!

So we are now talking about what this Apostle SPECIFICALLY gave as an order, therefore all those pitching their tents against his orders are WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS (INIQUITY) before the one who appointed Paul as Apostle to connect them! Matthew 7:21-23

CaveAdullam:
is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific?

1 Corinthians 12:28

KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11

KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians is not about specifics on who is qualified to lead a church, the book of first timothy is about qualifications for being a church leader and it was adressed to men.

Firstly, I will like you to go back to 1 Timothy 2:14 so that you can understand it properly because it doesn't tally or explain your points. They are both parallel.

Lets see 2 Timothy 2:20-21

KJV:But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

KJV:If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

From the above bible passage we can see that a vessel of honour fit for the Master's use is not considered from a gender perspective.

You dont even understand what you are saying. God has different ways he use people, this does not negate the fact that God chooses males to lead the church just that God uses women differently in all God uses both male and female.

Maximus69:
Well that's why there is NOTHING like clarity and order today amongst Christendom Churches.

Each one is hiding under the GIFT and CALLING umbrella to commit all manner of atrocities in the name of HOLY SPIRIT!

My friend is a redeem branch pastor, i can't just stop laughing whenever he's trying condemn the white garment Churches, there is no scripture to back his words. He'll just be saying
"Can't you see? anyone having the HOLY GHOST will know that they're FAKE!"

Mat 10:20:
"For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you."

Rom 8:14:
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."

1Cor 2:14:
"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

1Cor 3:16:
"Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?"

If everything you can do is doable by the flesh, you continue

Gal 3:3: "Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh?"

Maximus69:
Jesus' instructions wasn't directed to none Jews as well {Matthew 15:24} when he was promising them mansions in HEAVEN, it was a promise made ONLY to the Jews! Revelations 7:5-8
But because the main people weren't responsive {John 1:11-12} that's why the invitation was blown open to NONE JEWS! Matthew 22 :1-14

Nevertheless divine approval must come from the Jews first! Isaiah 2:3

That's why Jesus SPECIFICALLY chose Paul as an Apostle for the nations {1Timothy 2:7} while the first twelve are to serve as Apostles to the Jews!
Note that Paul's name is not included in the names of the 12 Apostles whose names were written on the foundation stones of that HEAVENLY city! Revelation 21:14

Well it is because Paul (though an Apostle) is serving under the 12 members of the Governing Body, failure to comply with whatever they give him as order means heavens have rejected him! Matthew 16:18-19

But whatever order Paul give to the nations is as that of Jesus who Appointed him to connect us to himself. Failure to comply with whatever rules Paul gives means YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN!

So we are now talking about what this Apostle SPECIFICALLY gave as an order, therefore all those pitching their tents against his orders are WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS (INIQUITY) before the one who appointed Paul as Apostle to connect them! Matthew 7:21-23

You said no woman was named as apostle and I added that no one who is not a Jew was named an apostle.

shadeyinka:
And all that were sent were Jews or with Jewish blood.
It's a very good example as I see that they (the apostles) never sent any Caucasian nor African nor Arab.

Acts1:8 to me isn't gender specific!

Good Jesus choosed Jews as apostles because the gospel must go out from the Jews but not restricted to the jews. But the case of leadership, it was restricted to male only.

solite3:
Ephesians is not about specifics on who is qualified to lead a church, the book of first timothy is about qualifications for being a church leader and it was adressed to men.

Is it that you have not read my first 3 posts? Please do if you haven't.

A MAN; THAT IS AN ADULT MALE HUMAN MUST BE THE THE LEADER/BISHOP/GENERAL OVERSEER OF A CHURCH. He can also play the role of a pastor, teacher, apostle, prophet etc if he has the gifts given to him by God.

A woman can also play the role of an apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher etc and NOT AS A CHURCH LEADER/BISHOP/GENERAL OVERSEER.

THE CHURCH LEADER/BISHOP/GENERAL OVERSEER IS THE HEAD OF A CHURCH. The offices of an Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, Evangelist are under him. These offices are gifts and God can use anyone to operate in it whether male or female.

solite3:
You dont even understand what you are saying. God has different ways he use people, this does not negate the fact that God chooses males to lead the church just that God uses women differently in all God uses both male and female.

is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific?



1 Corinthians 12:28



KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.



Ephesians 4:11



KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

shadeyinka:
You said no woman was named as apostle and I added that no one who is not a Jew was named an apostle.

That's why you can't hear Jehovah's Witnesses calling anyone Apostle, the title ended at the Appointment of the 13th Apostle in person of Paul!

solite3:
It is wrong, your friend is not obeying the word of God, evangelist do not pastor a church they sinply convert souls and wait for the church to send pastor to lead the church and it is a shame you support such unbiblical act instead of correcting her. If you were spiritual you would have no she was not suppose to lead a church.

She does not pastor a church. She does the job of pastoring the flock of God . The congregation isn't even called a church. It's more like a bible study and prayer meeting gathering AND she teaches and mentors the new convert UNTIL a nearby church will adopt them

shadeyinka:
Mat 10:20:
"For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you."

Rom 8:14:
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."

1Cor 2:14:
"But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

1Cor 3:16:
"Know you not that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?"

If everything you can do is doable by the flesh, you continue

Gal 3:3: "Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh?"

I'm not saying you don't have FAITH Sir!

All of us can read what is WRITTEN, and apply it to the best of our understanding.

But your FAITH that's unable to WORK out ORDERLINESS is DEAD! James 2:18-26 compared to 2Timothy 3:5

Maximus69:
That's why you can't hear Jehovah's Witnesses calling anyone Apostle, the title ended at the Appointment of the 13th Apostle in person of Paul!

The scriptures never said that

Eph 4:11-13:
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:"

Till we all come in the unity of faith...the gifts and calling of God continues for building up the church of Christ

solite3:
Good Jesus choosed Jews as apostles because the gospel must go out from the Jews but not restricted to the jews. But the case of leadership, it was restricted to male only.

Acta 1:8 isn't gender specific.
I don't even know a single spiritual gift/ office that is gender specific.

BTW
Apostle means " ONE who is SENT OUT"

CaveAdullam:
Is it that you have not read my first 3 posts? Please do if you haven't.

A MAN; THAT IS AN ADULT MALE HUMAN MUST BE THE THE LEADER/BISHOP/GENERAL OVERSEER OF A CHURCH. He can also play the role of a pastor, teacher, apostle, prophet etc if he has the gifts given to him by God.

pls show me from the biblical proof of such.

A woman can also play the role of an apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher etc and NOT AS A CHURCH LEADER/BISHOP/GENERAL OVERSEER.

you are confusing yourself, A woman could be an apostle, pastor but not a church leader , you think an apostle is the highest church leader one who Jesus appoint to build the body of Christ.
A pastor is a leader of a local assembly of christian you are contradicting yourself again how can a woman be an apostle or a pastor without being a leader of the/ a church.
Show me an example of a woman pastor or apostle in the bible and I will take you people serious.

CHURCH LEADER/BISHOP/GENERAL OVERSEER IS THE HEAD OF A CHURCH. The offices of an Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, Evangelist are under him. These offices are gifts and God can use anyone to operate in it whether male or female.


As discussed above.

Thanks.

If you see as how I m laughing at you guys incompetence and cluelessness, contradiction and confusion all to hold a man made ideology or belief.

Maximus69:
I'm not saying you don't have FAITH Sir!

All of us can read what is WRITTEN, and apply it to the best of our understanding.

But your FAITH that's unable to WORK out ORDERLINESS is DEAD! James 2:18-26 compared to 2Timothy 3:5

See how satan subtly twist the scriptures.
1. Works is replaced by "WORK OUT"
2. Orderliness is inserted to convey his intended misinformation. I've helped you to put faith and works in perspective without insertion or distortion of words

Jam 2:17: "Even so faith, if it has not works , is dead, being alone."

Jam 2:18: "Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works."

Jam 2:20: "But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

Jam 2:22: "See you how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"

Jam 2:24: "You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."