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Maximus69:
Please where can we find the story of this so called anointed woman IN THE BIBLE?

Solite3, Shadeyinka please take note!

As long as you people failed to know that God is no more calling anyone directly after his son has laid down the arrangement of calling people to salvation {Revelation 22:17} arguments regarding standards will continue to disorganize you people, because you've debunked the one source of distinguishing who is who!

Meanwhile the so called Kathryn Kulman may
©Speak in tongues
©Perform signs
©Prophecy
©Gather followers {1Corinthians 13:1-3}
all in the name of Jesus, but since she did not LOVE the arrangement laid down by the first century Christians {1Corinthians 13:13} she is one of those WORKERS OF INIQUITY! Matthew 7:21-23

So Jesus don't even know her!

At the time of harvest, the wheat will be separated from the tares.
Mat 13:30:
"Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."

Maranatha!

BlueAngel444:
Is being a witness mean having authority?

Please look at the scripture below and tell me if a novice in the Lord can teach and baptize a mature Christian? Can one teach without some measure of authority?

Mat 28:19-20:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."

BlueAngel444:
Infact eh, u listing this offices and field work goes to show...

Wait before I talk, please explain what u think the roles of those offices are.

Because if u properly understand them, u won't be making some statements carelessly

You are just bent on argument whatever I say.
I didn't say "she's an apostle nor teacher nor pastor nor Evangelist, nor prophet. I said "she acts in the office of..."

If you don't know, you don't have to be called as a teacher to teach, neither do you have to be called to be a pastor to pastor, neither do you have to be an evangelist to evangelize etc. A Christian secondary school teacher can fulfill such roles without necessarily having a formal "calling"!

Every Christian is called to preach, teach, evangelize, pastor without necessarily having a calling.

BlueAngel444:
1.What is a convert or who is a convert?

A convert is one who has been redeemed by Christ but still has a long way to go in Christian maturity evidenced by knowledge, obedience, faith and good works.

BlueAngel444:
2. In Samaria where the people a church
A. after Philip
B. after Peter

A church is an assembly of the redeemed for the purpose of worship and Discipleship.

Hence,

1. Acts 8:5: "Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ to them."

Not yet a church!

2. Acts 8:14: "Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent to them Peter and John:"

Church in process of formation!
Peter and John were sent to them for the purpose of discipleship.

3. Acts 9:31: "Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied."

Already established church!

shadeyinka:
At the time of harvest, the wheat will be separated from the tares.
Mat 13:30:
"Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."

Maranatha!

My friend, don't let me breakdown the meaning of that illustration.
It's presently undergoing its fulfilment Sir!

Note what the Master said,

(1)Let them grow together until the harvest! After the death of the Apostles, the period when MEN WERE SLEEPING (in death) began {Matthew 13:25} so Satan sow many weeds (false religious claiming followers of Christ or worshipers of the God who sent Christ, Islam is included). All of them have continued to grow together until the trumpet sound, when Millions started noticing the blunders of the Orthodox Churches and they began leaving those religions.

(2)First gather the weeds!
Many religious groups began emerging claiming Christians but each group has the spirit of the ANTICHRIST, this is evident by what each religious group is well known for.
Example, You'll SEE
©Religions where sexual promiscuity is easily promoted
©Religions that promotes hatred (curses)!
©Religions that detests ornaments!
©Religions roaming about at nights (vigil)!
©Religions that's peculiar to uniforms!
©Religions that's POLITICALLY incline. e.t.c Galatians 5:19-21

But one thing will be evident! They'll all be claiming Christians and worshipers of the same God! Whereas the spirit has bounded them in bundles according to the inclination of the hearts of each adherent!

(3)Gather the WHEAT into my barn!
At the same time, you'll also notice a group, standing out as unique. They'll
Have LOVE amongst themselves.
Joyously they'll be worshiping together.
Peace will be in their midst.
Patience .
Gentleness
Goodness
Kindness
Faith
Mildness
Self-control
Will be their motto. Galatians 5:22-23

Yet all the other different groups though having contradictions amongst them will vehemently hate those in this unique group {Matthew 10:22-25, John 17:14-16}} to alert wise individuals that the lone group belongs to Jesus!

(4) The fourth point is very difficult to see in the illustration if you're not EXTRA careful! Notice what the Master said in the third point!
Those weeds were gathered TO BE BURNT!
Meaning all other processes will have been completed before this judgment (destruction of those on the broad road) is carried out! Matthew 7:13-14

Maximus69:
My friend, don't let me breakdown the meaning of that illustration.
It's presently undergoing its fulfilment Sir!

No need to. The scripture is very clear!

shadeyinka:
No need to. The scripture is very clear!

I disagree with the underlined!

If the scriptures is VERY CLEAR going by your logic, there can't be arguments or contradictions amongst those reading it!

Maximus69:
I disagree with the underlined!

If the scriptures is VERY CLEAR going by your logic, there can't be arguments or contradictions amongst those reading it!

Then argue with yourself!

shadeyinka:
Then argue with yourself!

NO! We don't ARGUE Sir! 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9

We only teach you the IRREFUTABLE practical applications of what the scriptures says, and after seeing the benefits for yourself, there is NOTHING else you'll say but to BOW in SILENCE! Isaiah 54:17

Maximus69:
NO! We don't ARGUE Sir! 1Timothy 6:4, Titus 3:9

We only teach you the IRREFUTABLE practical applications of what the scriptures says, and after seeing the benefits for yourself, there is NOTHING else you'll say but to BOW in SILENCE! Isaiah 54:17

Self acclaimed Noise making teacher in orangutan mode!

Argue with yourself!

shadeyinka:
Self acclaimed Noise making teacher in orangutan mode!

Argue with yourself!

I've told you Sir, this has NOTHING to do with argument! Philippians 2:14, Colossians 2:4

It's IRREFUTABLE practical applications of what is WRITTEN in God's word, it totally differs from the teachings of religionists that always leave the audience in an inconclusive state of mind! Matthew 7:28-29, John 7:46,

So when all effort to debunk it fails, critics walks away silently with envy and great RAGE! Matthew 22:46

Maximus69:
My friend, don't let me breakdown the meaning of that illustration.
It's presently undergoing its fulfilment Sir!

Note what the Master said,

(1)Let them grow together until the harvest! After the death of the Apostles, the period when MEN WERE SLEEPING (in death) began {Matthew 13:25} so Satan sow many weeds (false religious claiming followers of Christ or worshipers of the God who sent Christ, Islam is included). All of them have continued to grow together until the trumpet sound, when Millions started noticing the blunders of the Orthodox Churches and they began leaving those religions.

(2)First gather the weeds!
Many religious groups began emerging claiming Christians but each group has the spirit of the ANTICHRIST, this is evident by what each religious group is well known for.
Example, You'll SEE
©Religions where sexual promiscuity is easily promoted
©Religions that promotes hatred (curses)!
©Religions that detests ornaments!
©Religions roaming about at nights (vigil)!
©Religions that's peculiar to uniforms!
©Religions that's POLITICALLY incline. e.t.c Galatians 5:19-21

But one thing will be evident! They'll all be claiming Christians and worshipers of the same God! Whereas the spirit has bounded them in bundles according to the inclination of the hearts of each adherent!

(3)Gather the WHEAT into my barn!
At the same time, you'll also notice a group, standing out as unique. They'll
Have LOVE amongst themselves.
Joyously they'll be worshiping together.
Peace will be in their midst.
Patience .
Gentleness
Goodness
Kindness
Faith
Mildness
Self-control
Will be their motto. Galatians 5:22-23

Yet all the other different groups though having contradictions amongst them will vehemently hate those in this unique group {Matthew 10:22-25, John 17:14-16}} to alert wise individuals that the lone group belongs to Jesus!

(4) The fourth point is very difficult to see in the illustration if you're not EXTRA careful! Notice what the Master said in the third point!
Those weeds were gathered TO BE BURNT!
Meaning all other processes will have been completed before this judgment (destruction of those on the broad road) is carried out! Matthew 7:13-14

This is too harsh Maximus!
Your interpretation and logic leaves no room for any interdenominational or nondenominational Christian the breathing space nor comfort of being called Christians!
Only Jehovah's Witnesses perfectly fits in to that interpretation up there.
Hmmmmmmmmm, it's pathetic that they'll never agree with that. They'll rather hide their dirty linen and forget about this gender issue for now

TATIME:
This is too harsh Maximus!
Your interpretation and logic leaves no room for any interdenominational or nondenominational Christian the breathing space nor comfort of being called Christians!
Only Jehovah's Witnesses perfectly fits in to that interpretation up there.
Hmmmmmmmmm, it's pathetic that they'll never agree with that. They'll rather hide their dirty linen and forget about this gender issue for now

There is no more time to waste brother, it's time to let them know that they're all on the BROAD WAY! Matthew 7:13-14

So whoever has any tangible question should ask
now or better still ask form our brothers and sisters visiting them!

And if they choose to continue with their hostility because of the TRUTH, it's OK! John 17:14-16

Maximus69:
So whoever has any tangible question should ask
now or better still ask form our brothers and sisters visiting them!

Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific?

1 Corinthians 12:28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Now consider this;

Romans 16:7
KJV:Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

NB: Andronicus is a male name while Junia is a female name.

Cc Maximus69, TATIME, BlueAngel444, solite3, JMAN05.

Maximus69:
I've told you Sir, this has NOTHING to do with argument! Philippians 2:14, Colossians 2:4

It's IRREFUTABLE practical applications of what is WRITTEN in God's word, it totally differs from the teachings of religionists that always leave the audience in an inconclusive state of mind! Matthew 7:28-29, John 7:46,

So when all effort to debunk it fails, critics walks away silently with envy and great RAGE! Matthew 22:46

Orangutan mode plus activated!
Continue!!

shadeyinka:
Please look at the scripture below and tell me if a novice in the Lord can teach and baptize a mature Christian? Can one teach without some measure of authority?

Mat 28:19-20:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."

Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
And Jesus came and spoke unto them , saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:16-18

shadeyinka:
You are just bent on argument whatever I say.
I didn't say "she's an apostle nor teacher nor pastor nor Evangelist, nor prophet. I said "she acts in the office of..."

If you don't know, you don't have to be called as a teacher to teach, neither do you have to be called to be a pastor to pastor, neither do you have to be an evangelist to evangelize etc. A Christian secondary school teacher can fulfill such roles without necessarily having a formal "calling"!

Every Christian is called to preach, teach, evangelize, pastor without necessarily having a calling.

Ok

BlueAngel444:
Ok

Thank you for understanding

BlueAngel444:
Ok

Thank you for understanding me

CaveAdullam:
Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific?

1 Corinthians 12:28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Now consider this;

Romans 16:7
KJV:Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

NB: Andronicus is a male name while Junia is a female name.

Cc Maximus69, TATIME, BlueAngel444, solite3, JMAN05.

Of note - those that mean they or she is an Apostle

RIP bro RIP

BlueAngel444:
[s]Of note - those that mean they or she is an Apostle

RIP bro RIP[/s]

Stop disgracing intellect and sound reasoning. You frequently speak unreasonably as per this topic. You lack basic comprehension and knowledge spilling your ignorance in every nooks and crannies of this thread.

I pity you!

Right from the day I became born again I have been Resting In Peace, perfectly in Christ Jesus my Lord and God.

Stop misfiring dude!

BlueAngel444:
Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
And Jesus came and spoke unto them , saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:16-18

Looks like you think only the 11 were empowered to do the work of Christ!?

Acts 6:8: "And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people."

Acts 8:6-7: "And the people with one accord gave heed to those things which Philip spoke, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed."

Acts 15:12: "Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had worked among the Gentiles by them."

The question was:
Please look at the scripture below and tell me if a novice in the Lord can teach and baptize a mature Christian? Can one teach without some measure of authority?

The answer should be either YES or NO!

CaveAdullam:
Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific?

1 Corinthians 12:28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

men and women has their proper place in the church, the above verse do not suggest women could be leader the church. Paul specifically said women are not to exercise authority over men why do you keep ignoring this? Can a woman be pastor/ apostle without having authority over men in the church?

Now consider this;

Romans 16:7
KJV:Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

NB: Andronicus is a male name while Junia is a female name.

Cc Maximus69, TATIME, BlueAngel444, solite3, JMAN05.

this verse does not suggest that junia or Andronicus were apostles. What it mean is that because of their work they were more recognise in the midst of the apostles than others.

Let me begin by saying that I know and appreciate many women who have been recognized as pastors. They are diligent, steadfast, and hard-working. Our country has done a great disservice to women over the years by not elevating and supporting women in roles of leadership. Alexander Strauch echoes this same concern, “In the minds of contemporary people, excluding women from church eldership is sexist, discriminatory, and one more example of male dominance. But this need not be the case. No one who truly loves people, who is sensitive to God’s Word, and who is aware of the painful dehumanization that women have suffered (and still suffer) worldwide would want to discriminate against women.”

Women are one of the greatest gifts that God has given the world. But in our passion to promote women (something I wholeheartedly agree with), have we overstepped the Scriptures? It’s not uncommon for the church, as a whole, to over-correct itself when abuse occurs.

First, we must understand that the loving, nurturing role of a woman is vital to the health of the church in the same way that it is vital to the health of a child. God has designed the male-female relationship to complement one another; one gender is not better than the other, but we do have different roles. To reject these God-given differences can lead to an unbalanced view.

Second, many misunderstand male leadership as God designed it; it’s not a glorified position, it's the position of a servant. A servant is called to protect, lead, and guard the church. We are to serve those God has entrusted to us. If there is a loud noise at home in the dead of night, do we encourage our wives to investigate? I hope not. God has called men to the position of servant leadership and protector.

Third, we see from Genesis 3:16 that God ordained a leadership role for the man. However, when men cower back from their leadership responsibilities, women will step in. Men must rise to the call of servant leadership. This type of leadership is not domineering or abusive; it’s kind, gracious, and humble. Pastors are to serve those in church, not lord over them. God’s design is not focused on “better than” or “superior” even though abuse has tarnished it.

But what does the Bible say?

Some use Chloe in the New Testament as an example of women being pastors. They say that she was a house church leader according to 1 Corinthians 1:11, but the Scripture doesn’t say that; it says “from Chloe’s household.” Another woman referenced is Priscilla. She and her husband, Aquila, ministered together. Another example is Lydia in Acts 16. Her entire household was baptized and her home became a meeting place for early Christians.

Although these women are mentioned, the context does not support the role of elder/pastor. The terms for pastor, bishop, or overseer were not used to describe them. Deborah, in the Old Testament, is another example used to support the idea of women as pastors. She was a powerful Old Testament figure who judged the nation of Israel for a season, but we cannot use this text to support the New Testament role of pastor, or “bishop,” of a church.

In the Greek, the word for bishop is episkopos and the word for pastor is poimen; both terms refer to the same office, and they both come from masculine nouns that mean to shepherd or to care for. The qualifications for male leadership are found in 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:6-9. The Bible does not outline character traits for female pastors, nor does it use the words episkopos or poimen when describing their role. For those who agree with the position of women pastors, where does the Bible list the character traits needed for this role?

Men are given the positions of pastors and elders because God gave them the role of leading and dying for their family and the church. I believe that Christ coming into the world as a man was strategic for this very reason: to lead, shepherd, and die for. It has nothing to do with the culture of Paul’s day because the male/female role began at creation; it’s not about “better,” it’s about design. How did God design us? First Timothy 2:11-13 talks about women not usurping the headship of men (cf. Genesis 3:16 again).

Can men learn from Bible teachers such as Kay Arthur, Priscilla Shirer, Anne Graham-Lotz, Beth Moore and others? Absolutely. But they should not be the spiritual covering over the man usurping his role. We need more female authors and speakers; both genders complement each other, not compete; we are equal in Christ, but have different roles. “To restrict women from church eldership would be unjust and discriminatory if it were done arbitrarily by males for their own selfish ends, but if such restriction was part of the Creator’s wise plan, then it’s not discrimination” (Alexander Strauch).

Jesus honored and supported the dignity of women; He treated them the way they should be treated, but He never reversed roles. Jesus called Paul, He commissioned Peter, and He encouraged John to lead the church. Women can, and should, teach, administrate, and organize but under the direction of Scripture such as in women’s ministry, children’s ministry, office management, and countless other positions. But we should avoid using the masculine noun “pastor” when outlining their role.

Male leadership should look to the wise advice and counsel of women before making decisions. For example, in our home, we make decisions together. Additionally, all three of my editors for books and articles (including this article) are women. Their advice and suggestions are priceless. All are exceptional writers, far better than me. Women are a true blessing to the church; the glue that keeps everything together. We would not survive or flourish without them.

If the Bible supported women pastors via direct mention and a list of character traits they need to possess, I would be among their biggest fans. My view has nothing to do with opinion, male dominance, abuse of authority, or male chauvinism, but everything to do with the principles given in Scripture that allows each role to complement the whole. Times change, but truth does not.

CaveAdullam:
Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific?

1 Corinthians 12:28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Now consider this;

Romans 16:7
KJV:Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

NB: Andronicus is a male name while Junia is a female name.

Cc Maximus69, TATIME, BlueAngel444, solite3, JMAN05.

Those mentioned "WEREN'T APOSTLES" but active members of the first century Christians congregation "KNOWN TO THE APOSTLES"

There were only twelve Apostles appointed by Jesus for the nation of Israel {Matthew 10:2,Revelation 21:14} but just one Apostle for the nations {Romans 11:13,1Timothy 2:7} making thirteen in all, and they're all MALES!

So you either take it or leave it, there is NOTHING like FEMALE Apostles in God's word!

shadeyinka:
If you have objection to the above, Can you please advise this my sister who "was called by God" to minister in places where no Christian presence is available?

This might really scare solite3, and it seems shadeyinka, you've been intimidated by his misconception of scripture, like they are trying to do to 1StopRudeness, so I'll help you say it. Your missionary friend/sister is by all standards an APOSTLE, not just standing in for one. Let me scare solite3 even more, there are thousands more female apostles, apart from Junia (Rom16:7), that MuttleyLaff did well to bring up. Eminent among them, in our day is Apostle Heidi Baker in Mozambique who trains and sends out missionaries(many males included) all over Africa through her IRIS network. In fact, I know someone who was commanded by the Spirit to go join IRIS. He is a missionary in Sudan, with his wife today. Solite3, the nightmare isn't over yet. Did you know that Foursquare Gospel church was started by a woman who headed it (General overseer of all male pastors under her) in her lifetime. Or was Joyce Meyer called by Satan. Read her testimony and how God called her. I could go on but....

BlueAngel444, who forgot that the great commission was given to the entire body, not just the twelve as captured in the words "behold, I am with you even to the end of the age" says we should humble ourselves and accept God's word on this matter as it is but the humility God really wants from our generation of christians is to understand our deprivation of knowledge of doctrine and humbly depend primarily on the leading of the Spirit for our walk and His illumination to us of doctrine/scriptures, rather than trying to take scripture at facevalue with our blurred intellect, even at the times our understanding obviously goes against the principles of Christ, which always leads to false doctrines and heresy. Have you considered our deprivation in scriptures in that all we use today for NT doctrine is the epistles written to address matters arising for those who were taught by speech the doctrine, of which none of us was present in the classes. Maybe if you were, you would have understood like everyone whom Paul wrote to clearly did(because they were taught), the concepts of spiritual womanhood and manhood, and its application in church administration, the seven degrees of spiritual womanhood( Is 4:1), the spiritual apparels of womanhood (Is 4:1, 1Tim2:12) and how the spiritual woman is saved by childbirth (1Tim2:15, Rev12:13-16), and you would even see that you yourself are among the women referred to in Paul's parable. Do you naively think we have every single thing that was taught by speech to early believers or was there ever a time that any of the apostles wrote an epistle to outline all of the doctrine of Christ for future generations?

Three specific times in all his epistles, Paul spoke of church administration consistently using the same figure parable of spiritual womanhood and manhood. But we, being ignorant of what he had taught the churches about these spiritual figures, took the figurative and applied it literally resulting in this false doctrine here. When the Lord took flesh and blood and crucified it and brought forth the risen new creation, he broke all barriers between all flesh and blood, whether gender, race, societal status and united us on the front of our equal sharing in flesh and blood into the inheritance(Gifts and all) in the new creation(Gal3:28). Stop belittling His sacrifice, solite3. All flesh and blood is EQUALLY unfit for Christ Gifts except by Grace, and male and female have the very same tendencies so quit with all that women tendencies blah, blah. If the gentile and Jews can hold positions in Christ alike, so can male and female according to Gal 3:28.

And don't you know that by the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall spiritual matters be established alone(Deut 17:6, 19:15, 1Cor14:29). Learn this today, you should never bring forth a doctrine without 2 or 3 witnesses, because anything God intended we know, he gave it more than one witness. Now tell us Solite3, apart from Paul, do you see anyone saying that females should not hold certain ministerial roles. No. Because, it is not in Christian doctrine to share Christ and his gifts according to gender but only through faith/grace(Rom12:6, 1Pet4:10) and Paul himself never had the thought of gender-specific ministry. We only misunderstood his encoded parable. I hope you don't like Muttleylaff suggested, go around kissing our sisters with holy kisses because it is written. I also hope you haven't cut off your right hand or right eye whenever it looked at wrong images because God said so.

I asked you a simple question and you failed woefully in your attempt to answer. How can the woman in 1Tim2:15 be a literal female, when this woman's salvation is through childbirth. What happens to barren or celibate women. What about unbelieving females who also give birth, will they be saved or partake in Christ's work for making babies, not to mention those out of wedlock. You gave a clumsy and comical answer that could pass for nairaland joke of the year- that women, having by nature, controlling tendencies over men(like we men don't. which is also a big lie in many cases of women I've met, who are rather too submissive), will be saved from that when they give birth...my, my. MuttleyLaff could help us with a good meme for that. There isn't even a single dominant woman who became submissive after childbirth. My question was just to help all see that this was a parable of Paul. Or again would you say Paul is delegating prayer to literal men (excluding women) and dresscodes to literal women. So that prayer is now gender specific? Solite3, stop bothering our women whom God is calling to pastor please.