WinningEleven:
muttleylaff and janosky, whats with the long arguments ?

The TRUTH may shock you my son!

Both of them aren't worshipping the same God!

So it's the different spirits influencing their thoughts that's causing the ARGUMENT not them.

Ordinarily if both of them were to play football, eat, party, crack jokes, watch movies or any other thing together, they'll flow like 5&6.

But this is about divine wisdom, so there is no hidden secret where two different spirits contradicting each other appears on a case, they will definitely disagree till the end!

WinningEleven:
MuttleyLaff and Janosky, whats with the long arguments?

WinningEleven, what is it you've observed it is, that Janosky has long being arguing with me? Please share, as I dont want to take for granted, I know what you've called and termed "long arguments" Put it this way WinningEleven, what do you know, what is the bone of contention about, that you've noticed going on between Janosky, the Bible and I, hmm?

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WinningEleven, lol, dont mind Maximus69 and his "The TRUTH may shock you my son! Both of them aren't worshipping the same God! So it's the different spirits influencing their thoughts that's causing the ARGUMENT not them" comment. WinningEleven, let me, let you on to something, you see, MuttleyLaff, Janosky, Maximus69, even you and applicable others, we are all travelling on the same train, lol, albeit not in the same coach, due to having different travelling ticket classes, lol. I know which train coach, I definitely am in, lol

WinningEleven, here's me, with the above picture, giving you a perspective of what the train coaches are and what they look like, lol. There's the AC Air Conditioned First Class, its the most expensive class, with fares that can be at par with airline fares in some cases, lol. The AC 2-Tier, Two Tier Air Conditioned Class, attracts upper class travelers, lol. The AC 3-Tier, Third Tier Air Conditioned Class, is slightly cheaper than First Class, it is similar to AC 2-tier, but it is more crowded than AC 2-tier, and it lacks the privacy etcetera, lol. First Class, mostly getting phased out in favor of Air Conditioned carriages, lol. Sleeper Class, bedding is not provided as done for the more expensive coaches lol. AC Chair Car Class, only sitting room is provided, with no standees allowed, lol, it has a total of five seats in a row, three on one side and two on the other side of aisle, its generally three times more expensive than Second Sitting Class, lol. Second Sitting Class or Unreserved Class, the cheapest class of travel. So you see WinningEleven, its a matter and/or case of, to each, its own, lol

WinningEleven:
I'm currently studying the soft texts now sire
Seems it's simplified enough for peeps like me to do alone

MuttleyLaff:
WinningEleven, just be alert and on guard, so when/if you do eat the "The Official JW website lots of practical counsel for young people/youths" that you have the sense wisdom, good and right strength of mind to spit out the bones

WinningEleven, I am glad you're reading from it, but hope you remember the above "tread cautiously" quote advice of mine , lol and also that I said I'll soon get to you, that, you're a smart guy and you wouldnt have any problem overcoming this seemingly problem after I have shared some info and realities with you.

MuttleyLaff:
WinningEleven, what is it you've observed it is, that Janosky has long being arguing with me? Please share, as I dont want to take for granted, I know what you've called and termed "long arguments" Put it this way WinningEleven, what do you know, what is the bone of contention about, that you've noticed going on between Janosky, the Bible and I, hmm?

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WinningEleven, lol, dont mind Maximus69 and his "The TRUTH may shock you my son! Both of them aren't worshipping the same God! So it's the different spirits influencing their thoughts that's causing the ARGUMENT not them" comment. WinningEleven, let me, let you on to something, you see, MuttleyLaff, Janosky, Maximus69, even you and applicable others, we are all travelling on the same train, lol, albeit not in the same coach, due to having different travelling ticket classes, lol. I know which train coach, I definitely am in, lol

WinningEleven, here's me, with the above picture, giving you a perspective of what the train coaches are and what they look like, lol. There's the AC Air Conditioned First Class, its the most expensive class, with fares that can be at par with airline fares in some cases, lol. The AC 2-Tier, Two Tier Air Conditioned Class, attracts upper class travelers, lol. The AC 3-Tier, Third Tier Air Conditioned Class, is slightly cheaper than First Class, it is similar to AC 2-tier, but it is more crowded than AC 2-tier, and it lacks the privacy etcetera, lol. First Class, mostly getting phased out in favor of Air Conditioned carriages, lol. Sleeper Class, bedding is not provided as done for the more expensive coaches lol. AC Chair Car Class, only sitting room is provided, with no standees allowed, lol, it has a total of five seats in a row, three on one side and two on the other side of aisle, its generally three times more expensive than Second Sitting Class, lol. Second Sitting Class or Unreserved Class, the cheapest class of travel. So you see WinningEleven, its a matter and/or case of, to each, its own, lol



WinningEleven, I hope you remember the above " tread cautiously" quote of mine and also that I said I'll soon get to you, that, you're a smart guy and you wouldnt have any problem overcoming this seemingly problem after I have shared some info and realities with you.

@bolded in blue. Is a LIE!

It's Janosky and myself that's worshiping the same God (travelling on the same path)

That's why both Janosky and i directed OP to the same source of info, while you are distracting him from it, telling him to go and meet his family members as if he doesn't know he has those ones before coming on Nairaland!

Janosky and i are worshipers of the same God that's why we think alike! Roman 15:5-6, 1Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

So if we are saying something and you are contradicting it, it simply means we are not on the same way with you as in NOT the same category! Matthew 7:13-14

Maximus69:
@bolded in blue. Is a LIE!

Maximus69, you just always like starting unnecessary arguments, lol

Maximus69:
It's Janosky and myself that's worshiping the same God (travelling on the same path)

That's why both Janosky and i directed OP to the same source of info, while you are distracting him from it, telling him to go and meet his family members as if he doesn't know he has those ones before coming on Nairaland!

"WinningEleven, if you are that smart enough and/or sensible to know that the sons of God are not angels, then I dont think you'll have any problems wading through resources at the Jehovah Witnesses' website. I use them when opportuned, as I find they have useful and/or interesting information that they provide, but all what I was saying and emphasising on is that, when you eat the meat, whether JW or not JW, just remember to spit out the bones, just like I do, lol.

WinningEleven, learn about the right eating habits and know about how certain foods, when eaten and/or taken in unchecked, can have adverse effect on the human mind, body, spirit and soul"
- Re: Strange Urges In My Body by MuttleyLaff: 11:29pm On Dec 20

Maximus69, slowing read the above and then embrassingly begin to eat your now, out of habit, "telling-lies-about-MuttleyLaff" words. You're such a bear with a sore paw, spoiling for a fight and looking for arguments to have, that you now have mistaken MuttleyLaff for another moniker, and so went to falsely accuse MuttleyLaff, by saying MuttleyLaff advised WinningEleven to go and meet his family members, as if he doesn't know he has those ones, before coming on Nairaland. Fyi, Maximus69, it wasnt me, MuttleyLaff, who made that comment, but I am not surprised you have mixed up another moniker for MuttleyLaff, because its not the only thing you've mixed up, lol, this just so happens to be your latest one, lol. Its not the first and I am 1000% sure isnt going to be the last you do it again, lol

Maximus69:
Janosky and i are worshipers of the same God that's why we think alike! Roman 15:5-6, 1 Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

Do you know the name of this same God you and Janosky worship? What is the name of this same God that you and Janosky worship, lol?

Maximus69:
Roman 15:5-6, 1 Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3

"Maximus69, what matters is what binds us together, not our differences.
Have you thought about your fingers on your hand, hmm? Are they each and/or all equal in length Maximus69, erhn? Nah, I didn't think you'll say they are, lol.
Maximus69, learn from our fingers, as sometimes there is something they do that makes they be together and together like as if they each and/or all are of the same length, lol."
- Re: Bible Scholars Should Help Me Out With This Teachings. PLEASE. by MuttleyLaff: 2:29pm On Dec 23

Maximus69, very instrutive Roman 15:5-6, 1 Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3 bible verses, you above provided there, but Maximus69, if you're oblivious of what binds us together. If you are, that unconcerned, uncaring, unsympathetic and/or indifferent to what we have together in common, then you really, have another think coming, lol

Maximus69:
So if we are saying something and you are contradicting it, it simply means we are not on the same way with you as in NOT the same category! Matthew 7:13-14

It simply means, I enjoy the pleasure of having a healthy, meaningful, dialogue and mature exchange, with not just you only or alone, but with others alike, as well too. As I usually use as an illustration, by a God design, all fingers on our hands, are not equal in length, but when they tolerate each other by a slight bending or a curved shape of an arch, they all become or appear equal in length, lol. At the day of the day Maximus69, we can, without strife, agree to disagree, lol and I sure arent losing sleep over how you feel, what you believe and/or how you want to believe it, lol.

Maximus69, lol, by the way, you must have heard it said that, if a crooked stick is before you, you need not deny how crooked it is. Just put down on the floor, a straight stick, by the side of the crooked stick one, and, "voilà c'est fini", as need I say more, except for, the work is well done. Maximus69, nobody is contradicting, all thats needed to do, is to say the truth and honest truth, and error will stand feeling embarrassed, humbled, ashamed and floored, lol.

kkins25:
finally we have two muttleylaff to battle now..

kkins25, who is the MuttleyLaff doppelgänger?

MuttleyLaff:
Maximus69, you just always like starting unnecessary arguments, lol

"WinningEleven, if you are that smart enough and/or sensible to know that the sons of God are not angels, then I dont think you'll have any problems wading through resources at the Jehovah Witnesses' website. I use them when opportuned, as I find they have useful and/or interesting information that they provide, but all what I was saying and emphasising on is that, when you eat the meat, whether JW or not JW, just remember to spit out the bones, just like I do, lol.

WinningEleven, learn about the right eating habits and know about how certain foods, when eaten and/or taken in unchecked, can have adverse effect on the human mind, body, spirit and soul"
- Re: Strange Urges In My Body by MuttleyLaff: 11:29pm On Dec 20

Maximus69, slowing read the above and then embrassingly begin to eat your now, out of habit, "telling-lies-about-MuttleyLaff" words. You're such a bear with a sore paw, spoiling for a fight and looking for arguments to have, that you now have mistaken MuttleyLaff for another moniker, and so went to falsely accuse MuttleyLaff, by saying MuttleyLaff advised WinningEleven to go and meet his family members, as if he doesn't know he has those ones, before coming on Nairaland. Fyi, Maximus69, it wasnt me, MuttleyLaff, who made that comment, but I am not surprised you have mixed up another moniker for MuttleyLaff, because its not the only thing you've mixed up, lol, this just so happens to be your latest one, lol. Its not the first and I am 1000% sure isnt going to be the last you do it again, lol

Do you know the name of this same God you and Janosky worship? What is the name of this same God that you and Janosky worship, lol?

"Maximus69, what matters is what binds us together, not our differences.
Have you thought about your fingers on your hand, hmm? Are they each and/or all equal in length Maximus69, erhn? Nah, I didn't think you'll say they are, lol.
Maximus69, learn from our fingers, as sometimes there is something they do that makes they be together and together like as if they each and/or all are of the same length, lol."
- Re: Bible Scholars Should Help Me Out With This Teachings. PLEASE. by MuttleyLaff: 2:29pm On Dec 23

Maximus69, very instrutive Roman 15:5-6, 1 Corinthians 1:10, Ephesians 4:3 bible verses, you above provided there, but Maximus69, if you're oblivious of what binds us together. If you are, that unconcerned, uncaring, unsympathetic and/or indifferent to what we have together in common, then you really, have another think coming, lol

It simply means, I enjoy the pleasure of having a healthy, meaningful, dialogue and mature exchange, with not just you only or alone, but with others alike, as well too. As I usually use as an illustration, by a God design, all fingers on our hands, are not equal in length, but when they tolerate each other by a slight bending or a curved shape of an arch, they all become or appear equal in length, lol. At the day of the day Maximus69, we can, without strife, agree to disagree, lol and I sure arent losing sleep over how you feel, what you believe and/or how you want to believe it, lol.

Maximus69, lol, by the way, you must have heard it said that, if a crooked stick is before you, you need not deny how crooked it is. Just put down on the floor, a straight stick, by the side of the crooked stick one, and, "voilà c'est fini", as need I say more, except for, the work is well done. Maximus69, nobody is contradicting, all thats needed to do, is to say the truth and honest truth, and error will stand feeling embarrassed, humbled, ashamed and floored, lol.

Story! Story!! Story!!!

We can't be on the same page yet contradicting one another Sir!

If your brains are functioning, you should know that your illustration of the TRAIN and COACH is full of FLAWS. Jesus never said all religions are leadng to the same destination! Matthew 7:13-14 compared to Proverbs 14:12

Jesus even emphasized that during the end time Satan will successfully gathered worthless fools and deceived them that they're also Christians but he(Jesus) will disown them that he never knew them. Matthew 7:1-23

Paul also shed more light on the same issue when he said Satan keeps on transforming himself into an angel of light. 2Corinthians 11:14

Note the phrase "angel of light". Jesus is the light {John 8:12} so for Satan to deceive you, he will disguise himself as an angel working for Jesus (light).

In conclusion where is the final destination of all those ministering or worshiping under such deceptive spirit?
Paul's answer can't be overemphasized " THEIR END IS DESTRUCTION" 2Corinthians 11:15

So Mr Man, you and i are NOT on the same page(train), i will continue to ring it in your ears, YOU ARE HEADING TOWARDS DESTRUCTION!

Your blood is no more on my neck, I have WARNED you! Ezekiel 3:17-21

Maximus69:
Story! Story!! Story!!!

We can't be on the same page yet contradicting one another Sir!

Smh, you've worn this mask for so long, you dont have any recollection and/or any idea, of who, you really are.

Maximus69:
If your brains are functioning, you should know that your illustration of the TRAIN and COACH is full of FLAWS. Jesus never said all religions are leadng to the same destination! Matthew 7:13-14 compared to Proverbs 14:12

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Its your brains thats not functioning. Mine is perfectly functioning. Permit me to tap you head, so to slap reset your brain back to factory default settings, lol.

Maximus69, when will you stop trying to make fetch happen, hmm? When will you give up all these your futile proof-texting with bible verses, erhn? I am not against you. I am against falsehood. I am not scattering you, I am scattering falsehood.

Maximus69:
Jesus even emphasized that during the end time Satan will successfully gathered worthless fools and deceived them that they're also Christians but he(Jesus) will disown them that he never knew them. Matthew 7:1-23

Paul also shed more light on the same issue when he said Satan keeps on transforming himself into an angel of light. 2Corinthians 11:14

Note the phrase "angel of light". Jesus is the light {John 8:12} so for Satan to deceive you, he will disguise himself as an angel working for Jesus (light).

In conclusion where is the final destination of all those ministering or worshiping under such deceptive spirit?
Paul's answer can't be overemphasized " THEIR END IS DESTRUCTION" 2Corinthians 11:15

This is one of the classic reasons, why a bible gun shouldnt be given to someone especially like you, who, if not under supervision, shouldnt in the first place then, have the bible gun. You murder scripture with proof-textings, lol

Maximus69:
So Mr Man, you and i are NOT on the same page(train), i will continue to ring it in your ears, YOU ARE HEADING TOWARDS DESTRUCTION!

Dont waste your breath and looking blue in the face nah, I already have countless times, told you, I sure arent losing sleep over how you feel, what you believe and/or how you want to believe it, lol.

Maximus69:
Your blood is no more on my neck, I have WARNED you! Ezekiel 3:17-21

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Wait for my comment, coming next below, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
Now, Maximus69, be careful of any future reckless and careless utterances, because I am a rock, I am a stone, whomsoever this stone shall fall, will scatter him/her as dust. Anyone who stumbles over this stone will get hurt, and anyone the stone falls on will be smashed to pieces. Dont come later, to say you werent warned. My God, Abba, is a Jealous God, He doesnt have anyone with mess about with me. There is no escape, no immunity from answering back to Him, lol.

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Have you been drinking or something because you reek of stupendous degrees of self-conceit and bad pride.

Maximus69, you really need to stop all this your self-conceit, all this exaggerated opinion of yourself, letting blood flow to your head, that's making you Humpty Dumpty big swollen-headed.

Cant you see from the above quote reproduced, brought here from one of my posts on another thread, that, it actually was me who warned you first, lol, erhn? Now you're doing a JJC lately, trying the same advice, that I previously had given you, on me, lol, smh. You must be court jester and clown all rolled into one, aside all other things you are. Listen buddy, because self-conceit, always leads to self-destruction, please, I beg you, try and deprive yourself of being self-conceited, "sare mọsa" get rid of it, biko, jor.

Trust me Maximus69, if you're proud, not to get rid of it, then shame, round the block, surely awaits you. Conceit, actually, is a gift of little men/women and the smaller the mind, the greater the conceit, lol. I am sure Maximus69, that you're aware that the first sin in our universe was the devil's self conceit, lol. Now, though, I just have to settle with taking Thomas Hood's side, who said: "to attempt to advise conceited people is like whistling against the wind," I'll nonetheless, out of philadelphia, mention you, in my prayers.

MuttleyLaff:
Smh, you've worn this mask for so long, you dont have any recollection and/or any idea, of who, you really are.

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Its your brains thats not functioning. Mine is perfectly functioning. Permit me to tap you head, so to slap reset your brain back to factory default settings, lol.

Maximus69, when will you stop trying to make fetch happen, hmm? When will you give up all these your futile proof-texting with bible verses, erhn? I am not against you. I am against falsehood. I am not scattering you, I am scattering falsehood.

This is one of the classic reasons, why a bible gun shouldnt be given to someone especially like you, who, if not under supervision, shouldnt in the first place then, have the bible gun. You murder scripture with proof-textings, lol

Dont waste your breath and looking blue in the face nah, I already have countless times, told you, I sure arent losing sleep over how you feel, what you believe and/or how you want to believe it, lol.

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Wait for my comment, coming next below, lol.

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Have you been drinking or something because you reek of stupendous degrees of self-conceit and bad pride.

Maximus69, you really need to stop all this your self-conceit, all this exaggerated opinion of yourself, letting blood flow to your head, that's making you Humpty Dumpty big swollen-headed.

Cant you see from the above quote reproduced, brought here from one of my posts on another thread, that, it actually was me who warned you first, lol, erhn? Now you're doing a JJC lately, trying the same advice, that I previously had given you, on me, lol, smh. You must be court jester and clown all rolled into one, aside all other things you are. Listen buddy, because self-conceit, always leads to self-destruction, please, I beg you, try and deprive yourself of being self-conceited, "sare mọsa" get rid of it, biko, jor.

Trust me Maximus69, if you're proud, not to get rid of it, then shame, round the block, surely awaits you. Conceit, actually, is a gift of little men/women and the smaller the mind, the greater the conceit, lol. I am sure Maximus69, that you're aware that the first sin in our universe was the devil's self conceit, lol. Now, though, I just have to settle with taking Thomas Hood's side, who said: "to attempt to advise conceited people is like whistling against the wind," I'll nonetheless, out of philadelphia, mention you, in my prayers.

Jesus said it, the religious leaders of his day kept arguing against it but in the end their true color became obvious when they formed alliance to eliminate Jesus !

I said "YOU AND I AREN'T ON THE SAME PAGE"

I'm only responding for other followers to see the true color of the spirit in you!

Now this is it.

A Teenager purposely open a thread to gain wise counsels from EXPERIENCED adults.
Everyone from different religious groups (including atheists) each started dropping their own views on the issue.
Instead of you to drop yours and direct the young lad to where you're getting the wise counsels,you spewed nonsense and ingredients, and when you noticed how EMPTY you are, you directed him to go back home and discuss it with members of his household as if the OP never thought of their existence before coming on social media!

Next you started opposing other people's comment and most especially the one coming from Jehovah's Witnesses!
The publication my brother and i directed the OP to get, you cunningly spoke against it.
After noticing how the young lad responded to the suggestions we gave saying he has gotten the publication and CURRENTLY reading it due to the advice we gave him.
You quickly switched over to saying "he should eat the meet and throw away the bones, because you too often make use of Jehovah's Witnesses publications
Why didn't you suggest the publications in the first place (since you've been gaining insight from it)?
It's after someone else suggested it, your intended opposition failed and the OP has confirmed that he is about to make use of it, that you now changed your tone to "it's full of meat but with bones"

You devil's incarnate, Jesus has given us the power to see through the attitude of your type Sir!

We are Jehovah's Witnesses, we will never hide anything good from our neighbours, people like you love to be praised as if you're wise because you'll hide the source of helpful counsel and start pretending as if some Holy Ghost spoke with you. Jehovah's Witnesses will always direct all glory and honour to the source of information.
We will not say "we have NOT received wisdom through some people" {1Corinthians 4:7} we received it from Jesus' brothers {Matthew 25:40} The work of gathering obedient humans for everlasting life is the task Jesus gave them, we are only assisting them by calling our neighbours to come and get life saving counsels from the spiritual brothers of the wonderful counselor! Isaiah 9:6

Your intention is to pretend as if you did not receive anything from Jehovah's Witnesses, because the REBELLIOUS spirit in you wants to block people from gaining salvation, you are not entering and you are determined to stop others from entering! Matthew 23:13

Jesus has taught us to be fully competent and completely equipped to uncover your mask Sir, you can run but you can't hide! 2Timothy 3:16-17

MuttleyLaff:
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WinningEleven, you need a matured one indeed, lol.

This is your post to CONTRADICT the wise counsel that the young lad should read or STUDY the publication with a mature person (who might have had the same experience in the past)

Paul warned Christian youth not to allow the bloom of youth to overshadow their sense of judgment when choosing marriage mates! 1Corinthians 7:36

Peter and Paul both Apostles chosen by our Lord Jesus Christ admonished younger Christians to learn from OLDER Christians! 1Timothy 5:1, 1Peter 5:5

Are you on the same page with Apostle Peter and Paul?
If so, what is wrong in advising a teenager to STUDY God's word with a mature Christian?

You devil's incarnate!

Maximus69:


This is your post to CONTRADICT the wise counsel that the young lad should read or STUDY the publication with a mature person (who might have had the same experience in the past)

Paul warned Christian youth not to allow the bloom of youth to overshadow their sense of judgment when choosing marriage mates! 1Corinthians 7:36

Peter and Paul both Apostles chosen by our Lord Jesus Christ admonished younger Christians to learn from OLDER Christians! 1Timothy 5:1, 1Peter 5:5

Are you on the same page with Apostle Peter and Paul?
If so, what is wrong in advising a teenager to STUDY God's word with a mature Christian?

You devil's incarnate!

They thought Jehovah's Witnesses are spiritually blind, deaf and dumb like other religionists around them. Jesus never spoke against pagans who aren't claiming worshippers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. His woes are directed to religionists claiming they're also worshiping the same God with him!
Satan knows how to quickly switch over to the next level. God has declared times without number that Israel is his special people, so Satan quickly entered right in their midst to cover the light, that's why Jesus kept pronouncing judgment on false religionists in Israel!
Today Satan knows that the one and only form of worship acceptable before God is Christianity (the form of worship commissioned by God's only begotten son) so Satan quickly initiated many religious groups all claiming Christians but having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings!
The secret is this, despite the fact that these religions are NOT united in faith, Satan knows how to pack them together to form alliance against TRUE Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses)

You've made the point Maximus, let those who have ears listen!

TATIME:


They thought Jehovah's Witnesses are spiritually blind, deaf and dumb like other religionists around them. Jesus never spoke against pagans who aren't claiming worshippers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. His woes are directed to religionists claiming they're also worshiping the same God with him!
Satan knows how to quickly switch over to the next level. God has declared times without number that Israel is his special people, so Satan quickly entered right in their midst to cover the light, that's why Jesus kept pronouncing judgment on false religionists in Israel!
Today Satan knows that the one and only form of worship acceptable before God is Christianity (the form of worship commissioned by God's only begotten son) so Satan quickly initiated many religious groups all claiming Christians but having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings!
The secret is this, despite the fact that these religions are NOT united in faith, Satan knows how to pack them together to form alliance against TRUE Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses)

You've made the point Maximus, let those who have ears listen!

Yes o my brother!

MuttleyLaff is one of those WOLVES in sheep's clothing, pretending to be for Jesus but in his true color, he hates Jesus to the core!

His type will praise Jesus with the lip but when it comes to surrendering themselves to do what he commanded, they will change style! Matthew 15:8-9

Imagine asking someone who purposely came to social media for help to go back and get advice from people at home. Of course the spirit in him is indirectly saying "forget about Bible or spiritual counsel, go and ask your folks for the TRADITION OF MEN"

Maximus69:
Jesus said it, the religious leaders of his day kept arguing against it but in the end their true color became obvious when they formed alliance to eliminate Jesus !

Maximus69, has MuttleyLaff or anyone else for that matter, to your knowledge, formed alliance to come and eliminate you, hmm?

Maximus69:
I said "YOU AND I AREN'T ON THE SAME PAGE"

and I have more than once, told you Maximus69, that you really need to stop all this your self-conceit, all this exaggerated opinion of yourself, letting blood flow to your head, that's making you Humpty Dumpty big swollen-headed.

Maximus69:
I'm only responding for other followers to see the true color of the spirit in you!

I am gratefully thank you very much. Please tell me the address to where to send you a honorarium payment

Maximus69:
Now this is it

I sure hope you have proof of whatever next, out of your usual habit, you're falsely going to accuse me off?

Maximus69:
A Teenager purposely open a thread to gain wise counsels from EXPERIENCED adults.
Everyone from different religious groups (including atheists) each started dropping their own views on the issue.
Instead of you to drop yours and direct the young lad to where you're getting the wise counsels,you spewed nonsense and ingredients, and when you noticed how EMPTY you are, you directed him to go back home and discuss it with members of his household as if the OP never thought of their existence before coming on social media!

Liar, liar, pants on fire! Hanging by a telephone wire! Maximus69, fyi, and for the umpteenth time, it wasnt me, MuttleyLaff, who made that comment, you're falsely accusing me of.

Look Maximus69, you're a full blooded grown up man, what are you gaining from making up this lie against me and lying like a cheap flea market rug, erhn?

Reproduce here word for word where you found MuttleyLaff, at all said this. If you fail in bringing forward the proof showing MuttleyLaff making that comment, then simply retract your false accusation statement and make a profuse apology to MuttleyLaff for misrepresenting MuttleyLaff

Maximus69, I repeat, if you cant show and display the comment you accuse MuutelyLaff of having made, if you are unable to produce anything and show it, on here, word for word, reproduce here how I allegedly made a statement of such sort, then please, retract your false accusations and tender public apologies accordingly

Maximus69:
Next you started opposing other people's comment and most especially the one coming from Jehovah's Witnesses!

You starting again with your incoherent howls of frustration, erhn? Fyi, Maximus69, I give as good as I get. I dont do favouritism, if you're out of line, whether you're Jehovah's Witnesses or not Jehovah's Witnesses, I'll talk and tell it like it is. One day, you'll realise that to speak bluntly, directly and/or truthfully, even if what is being said is undesirable to the listener, doesnt come from people who oppose you, the listener, lol.

Maximus69:
The publication my brother and i directed the OP to get, you cunningly spoke against it.
After noticing how the young lad responded to the suggestions we gave saying he has gotten the publication and CURRENTLY reading it due to the advice we gave him.
You quickly switched over to saying "he should eat the meet and throw away the bones, because you too often make use of Jehovah's Witnesses publications
Why didn't you suggest the publications in the first place (since you've been gaining insight from it)?
It's after someone else suggested it, your intended opposition failed and the OP has confirmed that he is about to make use of it, that you now changed your tone to "it's full of meat but with bones"

The bible is the best resource, ignore the bible at your peril. It is for this reason I didn't and/or wouldnt have ever suggest the publications in the first place, ahead of the bible. As a matter of fact, I treat and/or consider the Bible as the most important than anything else.

Dont get me wrong, I dont just read the bible only. It was in Mark Twain's book "Innocents Abroad" that he wrote: "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." and with that in mind, is why and how Maximus69, that " "I travel a lot and visit many good, bad and ugly books, but live in the Bible.""

Yeah, I learned all of I what I do share from and/or by reading the bible along with a few other the good, bad and ugly books. Reading is important to me. A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone, if it is to keep its edge, so the saying goes. On top, I love and enjoy reading the Bible. It gladdens my heart and ít's an immerse source of knowledge to me.

Living in the bible helps me a lot and allows me to think outside the box, as the law of liberty gives me the opportunity to do just that, lol.

Maximus69:
You devil's incarnate, Jesus has given us the power to see through the attitude of your type Sir!

You have your sense of perspective skewed up, as usual. This ill-advised comment is not justified, you're so badly barking up the wrong tree, lol

Maximus69:
We are Jehovah's Witnesses, we will never hide anything good from our neighbours, people like you love to be praised as if you're wise because you'll hide the source of helpful counsel and start pretending as if some Holy Ghost spoke with you. Jehovah's Witnesses will always direct all glory and honour to the source of information.
We will not say "we have NOT received wisdom through some people" {1 Corinthians 4:7} we received it from Jesus' brothers {Matthew 25:40} The work of gathering obedient humans for everlasting life is the task Jesus gave them, we are only assisting them by calling our neighbours to come and get life saving counsels from the spiritual brothers of the wonderful counselor! Isaiah 9:6

Yawns. Are all this self-flagellation, really necessary, hmm?

Maximus69:
Your intention is to pretend as if you did not receive anything from Jehovah's Witnesses, because the REBELLIOUS spirit in you wants to block people from gaining salvation, you are not entering and you are determined to stop others from entering! Matthew 23:13

I am not a hypocrite as some might be. Come to my home, you'll find stacks of JW publications, read and havent yet got round to read.

Maximus69:
Jesus has taught us to be fully competent and completely equipped to uncover your mask Sir, you can run but you can't hide! 2Timothy 3:16-17

Smh, the mask comment is my line. I first used it on you, when I previously said, you've worn this mask for so long, you dont have any recollection and/or any idea, of who, you really are, lol

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Maximus69:
This is your post to CONTRADICT the wise counsel that the young lad should read or STUDY the publication with a mature person (who might have had the same experience in the past)

Paul warned Christian youth not to allow the bloom of youth to overshadow their sense of judgment when choosing marriage mates! 1Corinthians 7:36

Peter and Paul both Apostles chosen by our Lord Jesus Christ admonished younger Christians to learn from OLDER Christians! 1Timothy 5:1, 1Peter 5:5

Are you on the same page with Apostle Peter and Paul?
If so, what is wrong in advising a teenager to STUDY God's word with a mature Christian?

You devil's incarnate!

You tell me Maximus69, does WinningEleven, really need the assistance of a mature JW alone and only, to study the publication ni, hmm?

Consider this scenario, WinningEleven is the last person alive living on earth with a house full of stacks of JW publications, how Maximus69, do you think WinningEleven will be able and capable to read, understand and learn from the contents of the JW publications, hmmm, lol?

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Maximus69:
Yes o my brother!

MuttleyLaff is one of those WOLVES in sheep's clothing, pretending to be for Jesus but in his true color, he hates Jesus to the core!

His type will praise Jesus with the lip but when it comes to surrendering themselves to do what he commanded, they will change style! Matthew 15:8-9

Imagine asking someone who purposely came to social media for help to go back and get advice from people at home. Of course the spirit in him is indirectly saying "forget about Bible or spiritual counsel, go and ask your folks for the TRADITION OF MEN"

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It's just too bad that this man, Maximus69, lies, with sincerity

WinningEleven:

yes sir I removed it cause when I thought about what you said it was true to me.
the urges are still here but I have a way of choking and controlling them now
thank you very much

That's good of you. But I thought you could actually make it an inquiry thread so more people will share from their wealth of experience and you might learn from that too. You now see for yourself that you can't fast urges away in 3 days. Fasting is a discipline you incorporate into your life by regular application helping you to live above your mind and subduing your body's urges OVER time not instantly. At some point it starts paying off, if you are diligent at it. There are also other aspects(apart from fasting) to consider but it will require working with you one on one to suggest. I'm interested in whatever you've come up with to 'choke' the urges too. I'll probably know if it will stand the test of time. I also pray MuttleyLaff will finish what he started with you. My guess is we all stand to gain from that given he started on an excellent note.

MuttleyLaff:
Maximus69, has MuttleyLaff or anyone else for that matter, to your knowledge, formed alliance to come and eliminate you, hmm?

and I have more than once, told you Maximus69, that you really need to stop all this your self-conceit, all this exaggerated opinion of yourself, letting blood flow to your head, that's making you Humpty Dumpty big swollen-headed.

I am gratefully thank you very much. Please tell me the address to where to send you a honorarium payment

I sure hope you have proof of whatever next, out of your usual habit, you're falsely going to accuse me off?

Liar, liar, pants on fire! Hanging by a telephone wire! Maximus69, fyi, and for the umpteenth time, it wasnt me, MuttleyLaff, who made that comment, you're falsely accusing me of.

Look Maximus69, you're a full blooded grown up man, what are you gaining from making up this lie against me and lying like a cheap flea market rug, erhn?

Reproduce here word for word where you found MuttleyLaff, at all said this. If you fail in bringing forward the proof showing MuttleyLaff making that comment, then simply retract your false accusation statement and make a profuse apology to MuttleyLaff for misrepresenting MuttleyLaff

Maximus69, I repeat, if you cant show and display the comment you accuse MuutelyLaff of having made, if you are unable to produce anything and show it, on here, word for word, reproduce here how I allegedly made a statement of such sort, then please, retract your false accusations and tender public apologies accordingly

You starting again with your incoherent howls of frustration, erhn? Fyi, Maximus69, I give as good as I get. I dont do favouritism, if you're out of line, whether you're Jehovah's Witnesses or not Jehovah's Witnesses, I'll talk and tell it like it is. One day, you'll realise that to speak bluntly, directly and/or truthfully, even if what is being said is undesirable to the listener, doesnt come from people who oppose you, the listener, lol.

The bible is the best resource, ignore the bible at your peril. It is for this reason I didn't and/or wouldnt have ever suggest the publications in the first place, ahead of the bible. As a matter of fact, I treat and/or consider the Bible as the most important than anything else.

Dont get me wrong, I dont just read the bible only. It was in Mark Twain's book "Innocents Abroad" that he wrote: "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." and with that in mind, is why and how Maximus69, that " "I travel a lot and visit many good, bad and ugly books, but live in the Bible.""

Yeah, I learned all of I what I do share from and/or by reading the bible along with a few other the good, bad and ugly books. Reading is important to me. A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone, if it is to keep its edge, so the saying goes. On top, I love and enjoy reading the Bible. It gladdens my heart and ít's an immerse source of knowledge to me.

Living in the bible helps me a lot and allows me to think outside the box, as the law of liberty gives me the opportunity to do just that, lol.

You have your sense of perspective skewed up, as usual. This ill-advised comment is not justified, you're so badly barking up the wrong tree, lol

Yawns. Are all this self-flagellation, really necessary, hmm?

I am not a hypocrite as some might be. Come to my home, you'll find stacks of JW publications, read and havent yet got round to read.

Smh, the mask comment is my line. I first used it on you, when I previously said, you've worn this mask for so long, you dont have any recollection and/or any idea, of who, you really are, lol

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You tell me Maximus69, does WinningEleven, really need the assistance of a mature JW alone and only, to study the publication ni, hmm?

Consider this scenario, WinningEleven is the last person alive living on earth with a house full of stacks of JW publications, how Maximus69, do you think WinningEleven will be able and capable to read, understand and learn from the contents of the JW publications, hmmm, lol?

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It's just too bad that this man, Maximus69, lies, with sincerity

YOU ARE A WORSHIPPER OF YOUR OWN GOD SIR, AND YOU ARE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF MAXIMUS (A WORSHIPPER OF THE GOD JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WORSHIP).

PERIOD!

Maximus69:
YOU ARE A WORSHIPPER OF YOUR OWN GOD SIR,!

"Behold, I am Jehovah, the God of all flesh:"
- Jeremiah 32:27a

"There is one God who is the Father of all people.
Not only is God above all others,
but he works by using all of us, and he lives in all of us."
- Ephesians 4:6

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist."
- 1 Corinthians 8:6

"Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah."
- Deuteronomy 6:4

I am not, when I know who and I know what God, I worship, let you define to me that I worship my own god, lol. That 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Deuteronomy 6:4 verses above, lol, I know, already are messing up your theology, lol.

Maximus69:
AND YOU ARE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF MAXIMUS (A WORSHIPPER OF THE GOD JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES WORSHIP).

Maximus69, do you know the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship? What is the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, lol?
Has the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, got a name?. Whats the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship name? lol. Is this God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, the God Incarnate at all, lol?

Maximus69:
PERIOD!

It is funny, yeah, I know that men have period too, only that they dont bleed, lol, besides period is red and not green, drum roll, lol

MuttleyLaff:
"Behold, I am Jehovah, the God of all flesh:"
- Jeremiah 32:27a

"There is one God who is the Father of all people.
Not only is God above all others,
but he works by using all of us, and he lives in all of us."
- Ephesians 4:6

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist."
- 1 Corinthians 8:6

"Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah."
- Deuteronomy 6:4

I am not, when I know who and I know what God, I worship, let you define to me that I worship my own god, lol. That 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Deuteronomy 6:4 verses above, lol, I know, already are messing up your theology, lol.

Maximus69, do you know the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship? What is the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, lol?
Has the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, got a name?. Whats the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship name? lol. Is this God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, the God Incarnate at all, lol?

It is funny, yeah, I know that men have period too, only that they dont bleed, lol, besides period is red and not green, drum roll, lol

I told you already but the lying spirit in you kept deceiving you!

Come on, do you truthfully believe in the words spoken by that young Jewish carpenter called Jesus of Nazareth?

There were religionists who claims they believe in the God of Moses and carrying the same 39 scrolls written in Hebrew/Aramaic languages just as Jesus also claim to believe in his day.

Well these people thought since they're carrying the scriptures up and down, so they've qualified to be worshippers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! John 8:39-41

But Jesus said THEY ARE WORSHIPPERS OF SATAN! John 8:44

The irony of this is that they were asking Jesus exactly the same question you're asking me now when he kept telling them that his own God differs from their own! John 8:19

So keep deceiving yourself, OUR GODS AREN'T THE SAME!

Maximus69:
I told you already but the lying spirit in you kept deceiving you!

Come on, do you truthfully believe in the words spoken by that young Jewish carpenter called Jesus of Nazareth?

There were religionists who claims they believe in the God of Moses and carrying the same 39 scrolls written in Hebrew/Aramaic languages just as Jesus also claim to believe in his day.

Well these people thought since they're carrying the scriptures up and down, so they've qualified to be worshippers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! John 8:39-41

But Jesus said THEY ARE WORSHIPPERS OF SATAN! John 8:44

The irony of this is that they were asking Jesus exactly the same question you're asking me now when he kept telling them that his own God differs from their own! John 8:19

So keep deceiving yourself, OUR GODS AREN'T THE SAME!

Maximus69, a tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. Judge of a tree by its fruit, not by its leaves, lol. Aside forbidden fruits in life, fruits belong to all and the land belongs to no one, except the one and only true God.
Like I previously said, 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Deuteronomy 6:4 verses above, lol, I know, already are messing up your theology, lol.

Maximus69, do you know the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship? What is the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, lol?
Has the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, got a name? Whats the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship name? lol. Is this God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, the God Incarnate at all, lol?

MuttleyLaff:
Maximus69, a tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. Judge of a tree by its fruit, not by its leaves, lol. Aside forbidden fruits in life, fruits belong to all and the land belongs to no one, except the one and only true God.
Like I previously said, 1 Corinthians 8:6 & Deuteronomy 6:4 verses above, lol, I know, already are messing up your theology, lol.

Maximus69, do you know the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship? What is the name of the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, lol?
Has the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, got a name? Whats the God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship name? lol. Is this God, Jehovah's Witnesses worship, the God Incarnate at all, lol?

Pharisees also claimed to be worshippers of the same God Jesus worshipped, they even went on to say their God is that of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses, and to cut the long story short they mentioned the name of the same God Jesus claimed to worship!

But my Master, Lord and King (Jesus Christ) said
"NO"
it can never be the same God if you contradict what i teach!

REPENT today Sir!
Because if you do not believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only followers of Jesus Christ,

YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS!John 8:24

Maximus69:


Pharisees also claimed to be worshippers of the same God Jesus worshipped, they even went on to say their God is that of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Moses, and to cut the long story short they mentioned the name of the same God Jesus claimed to worship!

But my Master, Lord and King (Jesus Christ) said
"NO"
it can never be the same God if you contradict what i teach!

REPENT today Sir!
Because if you do not believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only followers of Jesus Christ,

YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS!John 8:24

lying false jw mad max

you claim Jesus Christ is your Master, Lord and King
and then you lie about what the Lord Jesus Christ said at john 8:24
but such is the way of wolves in sheeps clothing

Jesus didn't say: "if you do not believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only followers of Jesus Christ,
you will die in your sins"

john 8:24 is about: "dying in your sins if you don't believe that Jesus Christ is the light of the world"

Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Joh 8:24  I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.


how you phony jw's love to change God's word making God a liar:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:



lying false jw mad max

you claim Jesus Christ is your Master, Lord and King
and then you lie about what the Lord Jesus Christ said at john 8:24
but such is the way of wolves in sheeps clothing

Jesus didn't say: "if you do not believe that Jehovah's Witnesses are the one and only followers of Jesus Christ,
you will die in your sins"

john 8:24 is about: "dying in your sins if you don't believe that Jesus Christ is the light of the world"

Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Joh 8:24  I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.


how you phony jw's love to change God's word making God a liar:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Of course Jesus didn't mention JEHOVAH or WITNESSES in that verse. But for you to know the TRUTH, all you need is to ask a simple question ~Of all the religious groups claiming Christians today, which of them perfectly depicts Jesus' attitude in preaching, teaching and conducting themselves orderly?

All these religions are mimicking the slogan "Jesus is Lord", demons in Jesus' days also called him "son of God", but Jesus kept silencing them. Luke 4:34-35
But WHY?
Aren't they saying the TRUTH about Jesus by calling him the son of God?

Paul silenced the spirit in a girl saying "this are the servants of the most high God" Act
16:17-18
Why did he have to do that?
Was the spirit saying something evil?

Well the answer is not far fetched Sir. Jesus taught his followers to let their actions speak louder than their tongue! Matthew 5:14-16

On this planet today, the one and only group claiming Christian that has worked out everything Jesus laid down in their midst is none other than Jehovah's Witnesses, so according to Jesus they are the one and only Christian group on the planet presently, they're the one and only group depicting Jesus as Lord in all they do!

Thanks Sir!

Maximus69:


Of course Jesus didn't mention JEHOVAH or WITNESSES in that verse. But for you to know the TRUTH, all you need is to ask a simple question ~Of all the religious groups claiming Christians today, which of them perfectly depicts Jesus' attitude in preaching, teaching and conducting themselves orderly?

All these religions are mimicking the slogan "Jesus is Lord", demons in Jesus' days also called him "son of God", but Jesus kept silencing them. Luke 4:34-35
But WHY?
Aren't they saying the TRUTH about Jesus by calling him the son of God?

Paul silenced the spirit in a girl saying "this are the servants of the most high God" Act
16:17-18
Why did he have to do that?
Was the spirit saying something evil?

Well the answer is not far fetched Sir. Jesus taught his followers to let their actions speak louder than their tongue! Matthew 5:14-16

On this planet today, the one and only group claiming Christian that has worked out everything Jesus laid down in their midst is none other than Jehovah's Witnesses, so according to Jesus they are the one and only Christian group on the planet presently, they're the one and only group depicting Jesus as Lord in all they do!

Thanks Sir!

lying false jw mad max
you agree now the verse wasn't about false jw's, but you had said it was, making the Lord a liar,
and now you go on talking rubbish to evade the matter of your lies:

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:


We are Jehovah's Witnesses, we will never hide anything good from our neighbours, people like you love to be praised as if you're wise because you'll hide the source of helpful counsel and start pretending as if some Holy Ghost spoke with you. Jehovah's Witnesses will always direct all glory and honour to the source of information.

paranoid false jw mad max

of course you don't know that the Holy Spirit is God.
He doesn't live within you

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

those of Godly faith are not the temple of just God's power, but are the temple of "the Living God"
God said He will dwell in them, not just his power will dwell in them

false jw's know not God

MuttleyLaff:
WinningEleven, what is it you've observed it is, that Janosky has long being arguing with me? Please share, as I dont want to take for granted, I know what you've called and termed "long arguments" Put it this way WinningEleven, what do you know, what is the bone of contention about, that you've noticed going on between Janosky, the Bible and I, hmm?

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WinningEleven, lol, dont mind Maximus69 and his "The TRUTH may shock you my son! Both of them aren't worshipping the same God! So it's the different spirits influencing their thoughts that's causing the ARGUMENT not them" comment. WinningEleven, let me, let you on to something, you see, MuttleyLaff, Janosky, Maximus69, even you and applicable others, we are all travelling on the same train, lol, albeit not in the same coach, due to having different travelling ticket classes, lol. I know which train coach, I definitely am in, lol

WinningEleven, here's me, with the above picture, giving you a perspective of what the train coaches are and what they look like, lol. There's the AC Air Conditioned First Class, its the most expensive class, with fares that can be at par with airline fares in some cases, lol. The AC 2-Tier, Two Tier Air Conditioned Class, attracts upper class travelers, lol. The AC 3-Tier, Third Tier Air Conditioned Class, is slightly cheaper than First Class, it is similar to AC 2-tier, but it is more crowded than AC 2-tier, and it lacks the privacy etcetera, lol. First Class, mostly getting phased out in favor of Air Conditioned carriages, lol. Sleeper Class, bedding is not provided as done for the more expensive coaches lol. AC Chair Car Class, only sitting room is provided, with no standees allowed, lol, it has a total of five seats in a row, three on one side and two on the other side of aisle, its generally three times more expensive than Second Sitting Class, lol. Second Sitting Class or Unreserved Class, the cheapest class of travel. So you see WinningEleven, its a matter and/or case of, to each, its own, lol



WinningEleven, I am glad you're reading from it, but hope you remember the above "tread cautiously" quote advice of mine , lol and also that I said I'll soon get to you, that, you're a smart guy and you wouldnt have any problem overcoming this seemingly problem after I have shared some info and realities with you.

I'm just seeing this. honestly.

I await your teachings sir

Finallydead.... I still want to kill my flesh at the cross.
Now that I know how to quell it, now I'm seeking to kill it.
I underwent another fast this month and I have to say that God has been faithful. From three now I'm aiming at 5.
How do u die in the flesh? Its holding me back

WinningEleven:
Finallydead.... I still want to kill my flesh at the cross.
Now that I know how to quell it, now I'm seeking to kill it.
I underwent another fast this month and I have to say that God has been faithful. From three now I'm aiming at 5.
How do u die in the flesh? Its holding me back

I always like your questions. And I don't,mind you keeping them coming. You can now see what I meant that you cant fast away your flesh, fasting will only help you keep your body under(1Cor9:27, 2Cor11:27), so that it wont supress your spirit, and the full benefit will come after doing it for years. Read below:

Finallydead:

You see what you're now asking for is the whole essence of the gospel. It is for you to be crucified with Him so that He may be risen in you. The old man with all his lusts giving way to the new creation. You cant kill the flesh by power and might but by Christ's life swallowing up death/fleshly desires inside you.

God is not asking you to prove yourself to Him, He just wants you to practise self-denial and subjugation of the flesh everyday as long as you're still breathing, with all that you can muster, mechanically, till you reach a certain point where His life and power takes over completely from your effort. You can never be machine perfect at this before this point, else you wouldn't be needing Christ's life and power to help you.
Remember, this is not about performance. God is not scoring your failures or success. This is about engaging a spiritual law that persistence will connect you to Christ's life inside you. So if you quit at any point, you miss out on experiencing the spiritual life and power that God has put inside you to deliver you from the fleshly desires.
But as you keep at attempting to deny the flesh each new opportunity despite countless failures, perseveringly, at a certain point, the mystery of resurrection life will be activated in you like in the Lord Jesus, after which you will experience the power of His life liberating you from the bondage of the flesh.
So from today, start denying the flesh every opportunity you can and decide to keep at it until you reach this certain point.
Determine not to look at ladies lustfully and continue no matter your failures, keep trying to stay away from stimulants, friends or movies, keep from speaking what does not glorify God, always put God's cause before your self interests, put the needs of others above yours, pray even when you don't feel like, fast a lot even when you don't feel like, keep denying yourself in all such exercises until you experience tangibly, Christ's manifested life in you.
Do not be deterred by your many failed attempts but just keep doing it and in due time, you will see victory when Christ's life manifests inside you to swallow up death and the fleshly works in you. You find this principle in Col3:4- 8.

Of course doing all this without expecting the life of Christ to manifest in you ends up in religious/ ceremonial works

Finallydead:

I always like your questions. And I don't,mind you keeping them coming. You can now see what I meant that you cant fast away your flesh, fasting will only help you keep your body under(1Cor9:27, 2Cor11:27), so that it wont supress your spirit, and the full benefit will come after doing it for years.
You see what you're now asking for is the whole essence of the gospel. It is for you to be crucified with Him so that He may be risen in you. The old man with all his lusts giving way to the new creation. You cant kill the flesh by power and might but by His life swallowing up deatn in you. The life of the Lord Jesus is the pattern for you to reach this point and it neither comes easy nor fast. We are to live everyday imitating the Lord's earthly pattern/principle to arrive at His ressurected life working in us, swallowing up our flesh.(1Pet2:21, Php2:5-13). And what exactly is Christ's principle? Love, in the mode of selflessness and self denial/carrying your cross. (Mat16:24, Mk 8:34).
WinningEleven, God is not asking you to prove yourself to Him, He just wants you to practise self-denial and subjugation of the flesh everyday with all that you can muster, mechanically till you reach where His life takes over from your effort. You cannot be machine perfect at this, else you wouldn't be needing Christ's life rising inside you. But as you sincerely keep at it, perseveringly, your cross (spiritual delegations and instructions) will be given you by the Spirit. As you continue to carry your cross, you will be led by the Spirit to the place where Christ was crucified(spiritually speaking) Heb13:12-13. At that point, the mystery of crucifixion will be activated in you like Jesus (but spiritually in your case), after which you will experience His life rising in you, experiencing liberation from the flesh and you will like Paul say(Gal 2:20, 5:24).
So from today, start denying every flesh you can and decide to keep at it until you reach this last stage. Determine not to look at ladies lustfully, not to speak what does not glorify God, to always put God's cause before your self interests, to put the needs of others above yours, to pray when you don't feel like so you can charge your spirit man to hear God and receive from him and in every way, keep denying yourself until you experience Christ's manifested life in you. Do not be deterred by your many failed attempts but just keep doing it and in due time, you will see victory by His life swallowing up death in you.

Give some time to ruminate on this sir

WinningEleven:

How do u die in the flesh?[/i]

Apostle Paul used this idiomatic expression to tell Christians that they must become lifeless to certain works! Ephesians 2:5 compared to Colossians 3:5

What are the works of the flesh to which Christians must become lifeless?
They're all listed in the Bible book of Galatians 5:19-21.

What Christians were urged to do is total restraint from those things. People who feel like ENJOYING LIFE while engaging in those things will actually see you as LIFELESS as you abruptly stopped doing those things with them!

They will speak with you to test your reasonableness to be sure you're not under a spell, but after listening to you and certain that you're still mentally alert they're puzzled and the next thing is to start speaking evil and abusively of you! 1Peter 4:4

It's called the OLD PERSONALITY, though naturally each one of them will testify to it that it's wrong, but they'll just put it on anyway to gain favour with men! Romans 6:6, Ephesians 4:22, Colossians 3:9

So if you're now striving hard to put it off and put on the NEW PERSONALITY, they'll see you as one who is DEAD! Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10
Apostle Paul is urging TRUE Christians to accept that portion, let them call you DEAD because that is when you're ALIVE to God! Ephesians 2:1

Note how ATHEISTS do feel about people having faith! They'll tell you "forget about all these fairy tales and ENJOY YOUR LIFE" of course the disobedient spirit in the world is in them and this spirit knows for certain that you're pummeling your body to remain clean {1Corinthians 9:27} and the worldly spirit is against that! Ephesians 6:12

WinningEleven:

Give some time to ruminate on this sir

Ok. Questions are welcome. I also responded to your other thread on seeking advise for campus life.

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you thank you, thank you

You said at #5 above, the whole urges problem started 4-3 days ago, which considering you're at least between 15-18 years old at least implies the issue is a recently developed one, so the question here at #6, is asking that, what to your mind, do you think caused you to begin all of a sudden, develop this seemingly unhealthy strong and compelling attraction to women/girls. Something must have triggered this. You dont seem to have same urges towards your mother, sisters, aunts, nieces etc. You dont seem to have this uncontrollable urge/desire feelings, that is going unchecked, towards not good looking, shapeless and/or not well physically blessed women/girls

Good

Lol, I am not Finallydead. I dont do presupposition and if I do, I often will tell that I am doing it, lol. Dont get worried my brother, this is a shut and close case. You dont really have a problem, what you are in need of is a paradigm shift, once you have it, as I earlier said you'll see all women and/or girls in a different light, lol and all those lust will evaporate, disappear, lol

PS: I really need to already be out, else I'll be late for my appointment. Excuse me. Ah, I've seen Image123 waving the stick at you and beating you with it, lol. It is well, lol

You still havent fufilled your promises in this post sir

Finallydead:

Ok. Questions are welcome. I also responded to your other thread on seeking advise for campus life.

Long time no see sir.
I bring good news, i think my problems are over.

I dont remember having these urges of mine for about 3 months now and that happened after my fasting craze (i call it craze cause i did it to the point where i thought i was mad)

How is your spiritual and physical health sir.... I hope we are all growing as we should

WinningEleven:


Long time no see sir.
I bring good news, i think my problems are over.

I dont remember having these urges of mine for about 3 months now and that happened after my fasting craze (i call it craze cause i did it to the point where i thought i was mad)

How is your spiritual and physical health sir.... I hope we are all growing as we should

I'm glad to hear from you again, my friend. And oh so glad to hear your testimony which I was expecting. The word of God NEVER fails. I would love to hear more details of the whole experience and testimony. Send me a mail about it.

And remember that when we win back ground from the devil, we must never slow down but add pace to move from the defensive to the offensive. There are still many more things you need to build into your life. We would talk in the mail.

I am fine physically and spiritually, God is in total control. God bless you.


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