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Finallydead:
This might really scare solite3, and it seems shadeyinka, you've been intimidated by his misconception of scripture, like they are trying to do to 1StopRudeness, so I'll help you say it. Your missionary friend/sister is by all standards an APOSTLE, not just standing in for one. Let me scare solite3 even more, there are thousands more female apostles, apart from Junia (Rom16:7), that MuttleyLaff did well to bring up. Eminent among them, in our day is Apostle Heidi Baker in Mozambique who trains and sends out missionaries(many males included) all over Africa through her IRIS network. In fact, I know someone who was commanded by the Spirit to go join IRIS. He is a missionary in Sudan, with his wife today. Solite3, the nightmare isn't over yet. Did you know that Foursquare Gospel church was started by a woman who headed it (General overseer of all male pastors under her) in her lifetime. Or was Joyce Meyer called by Satan. Read her testimony and how God called her. I could go on but....

BlueAngel444, who forgot that the great commission was given to the entire body, not just the twelve as captured in the words "behold, I am with you even to the end of the age" says we should humble ourselves and accept God's word on this matter as it is but the humility God really wants from our generation of christians is to understand our deprivation of knowledge of doctrine and humbly depend primarily on the leading of the Spirit for our walk and His illumination to us of doctrine/scriptures, rather than trying to take scripture at facevalue with our blurred intellect, even at the times our understanding obviously goes against the principles of Christ, which always leads to false doctrines and heresy. Have you considered our deprivation in scriptures in that all we use today for NT doctrine is the epistles written to address matters arising for those who were taught by speech the doctrine, of which none of us was present in the classes. Maybe if you were, you would have understood like everyone whom Paul wrote to clearly did(because they were taught), the concepts of spiritual womanhood and manhood, and its application in church administration, the seven degrees of spiritual womanhood( Is 4:1), the spiritual apparels of womanhood (Is 4:1, 1Tim2:12) and how the spiritual woman is saved by childbirth (1Tim2:15, Rev12:13-16), and you would even see that you yourself are among the women referred to in Paul's parable. Do you naively think we have every single thing that was taught by speech to early believers or was there ever a time that any of the apostles wrote an epistle to outline all of the doctrine of Christ for future generations?

Three specific times in all his epistles, Paul spoke of church administration consistently using the same figure parable of spiritual womanhood and manhood. But we, being ignorant of what he had taught the churches about these spiritual figures, took the figurative and applied it literally resulting in this false doctrine here. When the Lord took flesh and blood and crucified it and brought forth the risen new creation, he broke all barriers between all flesh and blood, whether gender, race, societal status and united us on the front of our equal sharing in flesh and blood into the inheritance(Gifts and all) in the new creation(Gal3:28). Stop belittling His sacrifice, solite3. All flesh and blood is EQUALLY unfit for Christ Gifts except by Grace, and male and female have the very same tendencies so quit with all that women tendencies blah, blah. If the gentile and Jews can hold positions in Christ alike, so can male and female according to Gal 3:28.

And don't you know that by the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall spiritual matters be established alone(Deut 17:6, 19:15, 1Cor14:29). Learn this today, you should never bring forth a doctrine without 2 or 3 witnesses, because anything God intended we know, he gave it more than one witness. Now tell us Solite3, apart from Paul, do you see anyone saying that females should not hold certain ministerial roles. No. Because, it is not in Christian doctrine to share Christ and his gifts according to gender but only through faith/grace(Rom12:6, 1Pet4:10) and Paul himself never had the thought of gender-specific ministry. We only misunderstood his encoded parable. I hope you don't like Muttleylaff suggested, go around kissing our sisters with holy kisses because it is written. I also hope you haven't cut off your right hand or right eye whenever it looked at wrong images because God said so.

I asked you a simple question and you failed woefully in your attempt to answer. How can the woman in 1Tim2:15 be a literal female, when this woman's salvation is through childbirth. What happens to barren or celibate women. What about unbelieving females who also give birth, will they be saved or partake in Christ's work for making babies, not to mention those out of wedlock. You gave a clumsy and comical answer that could pass for nairaland joke of the year- that women, having by nature, controlling tendencies over men(like we men don't. which is also a big lie in many cases of women I've met, who are rather too submissive), will be saved from that when they give birth...my, my. MuttleyLaff could help us with a good meme for that. There isn't even a single dominant woman who became submissive after childbirth. My question was just to help all see that this was a parable of Paul. Or again would you say Paul is delegating prayer to literal men (excluding women) and dresscodes to literal women. So that prayer is now gender specific? Solite3, stop bothering our women whom God is calling to pastor please.

The foundation stones of Christianity after the Chief Cornerstone himself (Jesus Christ) are the twelve Apostles of the lamb! Revelations 21:14

Jesus never appointed a single female to lead amongst his own followers, so do not be deceived by whatever sign you see in their midst, any spirit doing that today is the Antichrist Sir! Galatians 1:8

Finallydead:
This might really scare solite3, and it seems shadeyinka, you've been intimidated by his misconception of scripture, like they are trying to do to 1StopRudeness, so I'll help you say it. Your missionary friend/sister is by all standards an APOSTLE, not just standing in for one. Let me scare solite3 even more, there are thousands more female apostles, apart from Junia (Rom16:7), that MuttleyLaff did well to bring up. Eminent among them, in our day is Apostle Heidi Baker in Mozambique who trains and sends out missionaries(many males included) all over Africa through her IRIS network. In fact, I know someone who was commanded by the Spirit to go join IRIS. He is a missionary in Sudan, with his wife today. Solite3, the nightmare isn't over yet. Did you know that Foursquare Gospel church was started by a woman who headed it (General overseer of all male pastors under her) in her lifetime. Or was Joyce Meyer called by Satan. Read her testimony and how God called her. I could go on but....

BlueAngel444, who forgot that the great commission was given to the entire body, not just the twelve as captured in the words "behold, I am with you even to the end of the age" says we should humble ourselves and accept God's word on this matter as it is but the humility God really wants from our generation of christians is to understand our deprivation of knowledge of doctrine and humbly depend primarily on the leading of the Spirit for our walk and His illumination to us of doctrine/scriptures, rather than trying to take scripture at facevalue with our blurred intellect, even at the times our understanding obviously goes against the principles of Christ, which always leads to false doctrines and heresy. Have you considered our deprivation in scriptures in that all we use today for NT doctrine is the epistles written to address matters arising for those who were taught by speech the doctrine, of which none of us was present in the classes. Maybe if you were, you would have understood like everyone whom Paul wrote to clearly did(because they were taught), the concepts of spiritual womanhood and manhood, and its application in church administration, the seven degrees of spiritual womanhood( Is 4:1), the spiritual apparels of womanhood (Is 4:1, 1Tim2:12) and how the spiritual woman is saved by childbirth (1Tim2:15, Rev12:13-16), and you would even see that you yourself are among the women referred to in Paul's parable. Do you naively think we have every single thing that was taught by speech to early believers or was there ever a time that any of the apostles wrote an epistle to outline all of the doctrine of Christ for future generations?

Three specific times in all his epistles, Paul spoke of church administration consistently using the same figure parable of spiritual womanhood and manhood. But we, being ignorant of what he had taught the churches about these spiritual figures, took the figurative and applied it literally resulting in this false doctrine here. When the Lord took flesh and blood and crucified it and brought forth the risen new creation, he broke all barriers between all flesh and blood, whether gender, race, societal status and united us on the front of our equal sharing in flesh and blood into the inheritance(Gifts and all) in the new creation(Gal3:28). Stop belittling His sacrifice, solite3. All flesh and blood is EQUALLY unfit for Christ Gifts except by Grace, and male and female have the very same tendencies so quit with all that women tendencies blah, blah. If the gentile and Jews can hold positions in Christ alike, so can male and female according to Gal 3:28.

And don't you know that by the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall spiritual matters be established alone(Deut 17:6, 19:15, 1Cor14:29). Learn this today, you should never bring forth a doctrine without 2 or 3 witnesses, because anything God intended we know, he gave it more than one witness. Now tell us Solite3, apart from Paul, do you see anyone saying that females should not hold certain ministerial roles. No. Because, it is not in Christian doctrine to share Christ and his gifts according to gender but only through faith/grace(Rom12:6, 1Pet4:10) and Paul himself never had the thought of gender-specific ministry. We only misunderstood his encoded parable. I hope you don't like Muttleylaff suggested, go around kissing our sisters with holy kisses because it is written. I also hope you haven't cut off your right hand or right eye whenever it looked at wrong images because God said so.

I asked you a simple question and you failed woefully in your attempt to answer. How can the woman in 1Tim2:15 be a literal female, when this woman's salvation is through childbirth. What happens to barren or celibate women. What about unbelieving females who also give birth, will they be saved or partake in Christ's work for making babies, not to mention those out of wedlock. You gave a clumsy and comical answer that could pass for nairaland joke of the year- that women, having by nature, controlling tendencies over men(like we men don't. which is also a big lie in many cases of women I've met, who are rather too submissive), will be saved from that when they give birth...my, my. MuttleyLaff could help us with a good meme for that. There isn't even a single dominant woman who became submissive after childbirth. My question was just to help all see that this was a parable of Paul. Or again would you say Paul is delegating prayer to literal men (excluding women) and dresscodes to literal women. So that prayer is now gender specific? Solite3, stop bothering our women whom God is calling to pastor please.

Thanks my friend.
I was only careful not to appropriate a specific calling to my friend. I certainly know she was called as an evangelist, for other callings I wouldn't say I am sure.
There was a point in my life when I averaged at least 20 personal evangelistic outreaches to individuals per week. But I certainly know that I am not an evangelist by calling: I was just acting in the office of the evangelist because God gave me the opportunity to witness.

Certainly, there is no spiritual gift or calling that is exclusive to men. And God can make a woman an Apostle, Prophet or Teacher

shadeyinka:
Thanks my friend.
I was only careful not to appropriate a specific calling to my friend. I certainly know she was called as an evangelist, for other callings I wouldn't say I am sure.
There was a point in my life when I averaged at least 20 personal evangelistic outreaches to individuals per week. But I certainly know that I am not an evangelist by calling: I was just acting in the office of the evangelist because God gave me the opportunity to witness.

Certainly, [s]there is no spiritual gift or calling that is exclusive to men[/s]. And God can make a woman an Apostle, Prophet or Teacher

Since it's not WRITTEN in God's word that Jesus (God's only begotten son) chose a FEMALE Apostle, anyone who doesn't want to fall into the group of WORKERS OF INIQUITY must stick to what's found WRITTEN in God's word! Matthew 7:23

BlueAngel444:
Are you asking to know or you're claiming to know.


And if you don't agree with God's view as Paul clearly repeatedly writes the same things over and over and even says it is a command from the Lord.

Bro either you accept it or you don't. Just the same way the people rejected Jesus because they did not understand

Trying to fit God into their own shoe box size

BlueAngel444:
There's no way you know God, and that the Holy Spirit reveals scripture to you and gives you God's understanding and you will write much of what you wrote above.

So God is a liar but the world is right.

Some of you need to ask yourselves what spirits are inspiring you lot

solite3:
out of point

MuttleyLaff:
You would say out of point, wouldnt you, with that your knee jerking fingers immediate unthinking and emotional reaction, all because you're highly sensitive and an incorrigible incurable.

This is why you dont see that the woman has been absolved of the curse and advised not to sin no more, so meaning the question of your alleged "a desire generally to control man or place herself in man's position for example when always feel the need to manipulate or mould man to her taste" is a non issue to a redeemed true daughter of God.

Your ego will not let you learn from women who happen to be biblically highly well informed and spiritually more knowledgeable than you are. Women can teach men, so far they are not teaching anything that is against the expressed will and/or command of God. Women can assume position of leadership either spiritually or secularly.

There are women leaders in the Bible, same way women leader in the secular world, like Theresa May ex-PM of UK, Angela Merkel current chancellor of Germany, Nicola Sturgeon the First Minister of Scotland and the leader of the Scottish Government, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf former President of Liberia from 2006 to 2018 and was the first elected female head of state in Africa etcetera.

solite3:
ok Angela Merkel, Nicola sturgeon, etc are church leaders if that is what you want.

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solite3, you and BlueAngel444 sound alike. You read the bible just like and/or same way, the "far to see" do, lol. The pasted picture above is a great learning opportunity but will need a moment chew over before the blinkers drop off lol

Maximus69:
Since it's not WRITTEN in God's word that Jesus (God's only begotten son) chose a FEMALE Apostle, anyone who doesn't want to fall into the group of WORKERS OF INIQUITY must stick to what's found WRITTEN in God's word! Matthew 7:23

We are foundationally different. You believe that the gifts and calling of God has ceased. I believe the gifts and calling of God continues till Christ comes.
1Cor 12:28-31:
"And God has set some in the church , first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts : and yet show I to you a more excellent way."


1Cor 12:7,11:
"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit with.
… But all these works that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will ."

Do you imply that there are spiritual gifts or callings that are exclusive to men?

Following your logic: Jesus didn't choose a female Apostle. And He also didn't choose a Caucasian, African, Asian or Arab Apostle. And Jesus didn't appoint women as Prophets either. And Jesus didn't appoint women to teach.
Therefore only Jews can be called by Christ Jesus.!!!

This is a faulty logic. The Holy Spirit gives as He Will His gifts and callings

shadeyinka:
We are foundationally different. You believe that the gifts and calling of God has ceased. I believe the gifts and calling of God continues till Christ comes.
1Cor 12:28-31:
"And God has set some in the church , first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts : and yet show I to you a more excellent way."


1Cor 12:7,11:
"But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit with.
… But all these works that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will ."

Do you imply that there are spiritual gifts or callings that are exclusive to men?

Following your logic: Jesus didn't choose a female Apostle. And He also didn't choose a Caucasian, African, Asian or Arab Apostle. And Jesus didn't appoint women as Prophets either. And Jesus didn't appoint women to teach.
Therefore only Jews can be called by Christ Jesus.!!!

This is a faulty logic. The Holy Spirit gives as He Will His gifts and callings

God selects females, usually women who have married as prophetesses

One of my neighbours, a once very athletic, sporty man, energetic and outgoing man, out of the blues, got bedevilled/afflicted with stroke.

The man, though now recovering, is a shadow of his former self. In my estimation, he probably now, is somewhere between 30-45% of what he formerly was and the improvement's partly down to physiotherapy etcetera involving and/or requiring strenuous effort that I could see on his face when I bump into him doing his daily learning how to walk again exercises etcetra, that it is difficult and tiring.

Now you guys, will say his missus, as in, his wife, can not and/or should not teach this man anything at all, lol. She should not lead in prayers worship etcetera in their household, even when there was a time this man even lost his speech, smh. I just tire for all una, smh, 'far to see" bunch of Pharisees. Case in point, Zipporah, when her husband failed, wasted no time in taking the lead in something spiritual and that is a commanded religious rite demanded by God. I have earlier intimated and advanced that the woman has been absolved by Jesus. God, as a matter of fact did so, when Jesus asked her the following questions: "Woman, where are your accusers, Where are they? Is there no one left to condemn you?" The Woman then said, "No one, Lord." and after which, Jesus then said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more." So, if after 2000 years of that, women are still having a hard time, then who is to blame, huh? It definitely is not God, lol, solite3, BlueAngel444 and Co.

The classic finger pointing game is on, eh, lol, but what you guys dont seem to notice is that three other fingers are pointing back at you and the fourth at the spot you are standing on, lol. Discrimination, on varying levels is rife, lol, if not, its veiled, sometimes its pretence that its not there, but the thing itself speaks, the thing speaks for itself, the evidences and facts speak for themselves, lol, especially when we still have the likes of the solite3, BlueAngel444 and Co of this world, slipping on that 1 Timothy 2:12 banana skin, and still whole world wide, accusing and condemning the woman.

BlueAngel444:
God selects females, usually women who have married as prophetesses

Is this a comment or a question?

I don't see what marriage has to do with God selecting a female for His work

solite3:
If the Bible supported women pastors via direct mention and a list of character traits they need to possess, I would be among their biggest fans. My view has nothing to do with opinion, male dominance, abuse of authority, or male chauvinism, but everything to do with the principles given in Scripture that allows each role to complement the whole. Times change, but truth does not.

God's word is straight forward even the simple trusting the Spirit of God can understand it.

God's word doesn't change, if it does that makes him a liar

Priests - males
Kings - males

It's pride that makes a man want to be god or a woman want to be a man or even god.

what is male dominance self, can the head exist with a body or the body exist without a head.

The example to follow numerously mentioned is that of Jesus, male and the church, female.

Devil likes disorder, he thrives in it.

There's a reason God made and kept it the way He says it should be and because people don't understand they fight it n try to change it.

When God made them he made them helpers

shadeyinka:
Is this a comment or a question?

I don't see what marriage has to do with God selecting a female for His work

I am not surprised you don't see it, I'm surprised you admitting to it.

BlueAngel444:
I am not surprised you don't see it, I'm surprised you admitting to it.

Come out plainly!

BlueAngel444:
God selects females, usually women who have married as prophetesses

You would use "usually" as a handy "get out jail" card, wouldnt you, lol

shadeyinka:
Is this a comment or a question?
I don't see what marriage has to do with God selecting a female for His work

lol

BlueAngel444:
I am not surprised you don't see it, I'm surprised you admitting to it.

shadeyinka:
Come out plainly!

[img]https://s2/images/MuttleyHilarious.gif[/img]

BlueAngel444:
God's word is straight forward even the simple trusting the Spirit of God can understand it.

God's word doesn't change, if it does that makes him a liar

Priests - males
Kings - males

It's pride that makes a man want to be god or a woman want to be a man or even god.

what is male dominance self, can the head exist with a body or the body exist without a head.

The example to follow numerously mentioned is that of Jesus, male and the church, female.

Devil likes disorder, he thrives in it.

There's a reason God made and kept it the way He says it should be and because people don't understand they fight it n try to change it.

When God made them he made them helpers

"⁸The next day we went on to Caesarea and stayed at the home of Philip the Evangelist, one of the seven men who had been chosen to distribute food.
⁹He had four unmarried daughters who had the gift of prophecy.
- Acts 21:8-9

This your comment reeks just nothing less than sheer misogyny talk

MuttleyLaff:
One of my neighbours, a once very athletic, sporty man, energetic and ougoing man, out of blues got bedevilled/afflicted with stroke. The man though now recovering, is a shadow of his former self. In my estimation he is now somewhere between 30-45% of what he formerly was and it's partly down to physiotherapy etcetera involving and/or requiring strenuous effort that I could see on his face when I bump into him doing his daily learning how to walk again exercises etcetra, that it is difficult and tiring.

Now you guys, will say his missus, as in, his wife, can not and/or should not teach this man anything at all, lol. She should not lead in prayers worship etcetera in their household, even when there was a time this man even lost his speech, smh. I just tire for all una, smh, 'far to see" bunch of Pharisees. Case in point, Zipporah, when her husband failed, wasted no time in taking the lead in something spiritual and that is a commanded religious rite demanded by God. I have earlier intimated and advanced that the woman has been absolved by Jesus. God, as a matter of fact did so, when Jesus asked her the following questions: "Woman, where are your accusers, Where are they? Is there no one left to condemn you?" The Woman then said, "No one, Lord." and after which, Jesus then said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more." So, if after 2000 years of that, women are still having a hard time, then who is to blame, huh? It definitely is not God, lol, solite3, BlueAngel444 and Co.

The classic finger pointing game is on, eh, lol, but what you guys dont seem to notice is that three other fingers are pointing back at you and the fourth at the spot you are standing on, lol. Discrimination, on varying levels is rife, lol, if not, its veiled, sometimes its pretence that its not there, but the thing itself speaks, the thing speaks for itself, the evidences and facts speak for themselves, lol, especially when we still have the likes of the solite3, BlueAngel444 and Co of this world, slipping on that 1 Timothy 2:12 banana skin, and still whole world wide, accusing and condemning the woman.

Please solite3 did you accuse or condemn women, because I know I did not and except I missed something in your posts I didn't read where u did.

And Mr leaf, everyone has hard times and stop twisting facts please

MuttleyLaff:
You would use "usually" as a handy "get out jail" card, wouldnt you, lol

lol



"⁸The next day we went on to Caesarea and stayed at the home of Philip the Evangelist, one of the seven men who had been chosen to distribute food.
⁹He had four unmarried daughters who had the gift of prophecy.
- Acts 21:8-9

This your comment reeks just nothing less than sheer misogyny talk

Having a gift of prophecy doesn't make you a prophet.

When one claims they know they don't, they seem wise in their own eyes.

BlueAngel444:
Please solite3 did you accuse or condemn women, because I know I did not and except I missed something in your posts I didn't read where u did

You guys are condeming women to the "backroom". You guys are turning the hand of the clock backwards, and backwards to the dark ages. The woman has since 2000 years ago plus been liberated, but it has been an arduous uphill task for them to take their rightfully positioning because of men like you lot. You all are hiding and taking cover behind proof-texting and misinterpreted scriptures. No woman can wrongly teach a man who has studied to present himself approved to God, because He would have seen the error a mile off, thwart it and correct the woman. This is what God expects men to do, and not to be pompous, be saying a woman cant teach a man. I wonder what would have happened to Apollos if he had rebuffed Priscilla, stick his fingers in his ears and not learn from what she had to tell/teach him, lol.

BlueAngel444:
And Mr leaf, everyone has hard times and stop twisting facts please

Mr BlueAngel444 you are very adept at twisting scripture. I leave it in your capable hands to continue twisting them as you have a hard time understanding the spiritual undertones therein

BlueAngel444:
Having a gift of prophecy doesn't make you a prophet.
When one claims they know they don't, they seem wise in their own eyes.

It doesnt, it makes you a prophetess, the female version of prophet and occupying the same office

Finallydead:
This might really scare solite3, and it seems shadeyinka, you've been intimidated by his misconception of scripture, like they are trying to do to 1StopRudeness, so I'll help you say it. Your missionary friend/sister is by all standards an APOSTLE, not just standing in for one. Let me scare solite3 even more, there are thousands more female apostles, apart from Junia (Rom16:7), that MuttleyLaff did well to bring up. Eminent among them, in our day is Apostle Heidi Baker in Mozambique who trains and sends out missionaries(many males included) all over Africa through her IRIS network. In fact, I know someone who was commanded by the Spirit to go join IRIS. He is a missionary in Sudan, with his wife today. Solite3, the nightmare isn't over yet. Did you know that Foursquare Gospel church was started by a woman who headed it (General overseer of all male pastors under her) in her lifetime. Or was Joyce Meyer called by Satan. Read her testimony and how God called her. I could go on but....

BlueAngel444, who forgot that the great commission was given to the entire body, not just the twelve as captured in the words "behold, I am with you even to the end of the age" says we should humble ourselves and accept God's word on this matter as it is but the humility God really wants from our generation of christians is to understand our deprivation of knowledge of doctrine and humbly depend primarily on the leading of the Spirit for our walk and His illumination to us of doctrine/scriptures, rather than trying to take scripture at facevalue with our blurred intellect, even at the times our understanding obviously goes against the principles of Christ, which always leads to false doctrines and heresy. Have you considered our deprivation in scriptures in that all we use today for NT doctrine is the epistles written to address matters arising for those who were taught by speech the doctrine, of which none of us was present in the classes. Maybe if you were, you would have understood like everyone whom Paul wrote to clearly did(because they were taught), the concepts of spiritual womanhood and manhood, and its application in church administration, the seven degrees of spiritual womanhood( Is 4:1), the spiritual apparels of womanhood (Is 4:1, 1Tim2:12) and how the spiritual woman is saved by childbirth (1Tim2:15, Rev12:13-16), and you would even see that you yourself are among the women referred to in Paul's parable. Do you naively think we have every single thing that was taught by speech to early believers or was there ever a time that any of the apostles wrote an epistle to outline all of the doctrine of Christ for future generations?

Three specific times in all his epistles, Paul spoke of church administration consistently using the same figure parable of spiritual womanhood and manhood. But we, being ignorant of what he had taught the churches about these spiritual figures, took the figurative and applied it literally resulting in this false doctrine here. When the Lord took flesh and blood and crucified it and brought forth the risen new creation, he broke all barriers between all flesh and blood, whether gender, race, societal status and united us on the front of our equal sharing in flesh and blood into the inheritance(Gifts and all) in the new creation(Gal3:28). Stop belittling His sacrifice, solite3. All flesh and blood is EQUALLY unfit for Christ Gifts except by Grace, and male and female have the very same tendencies so quit with all that women tendencies blah, blah. If the gentile and Jews can hold positions in Christ alike, so can male and female according to Gal 3:28.

And don't you know that by the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall spiritual matters be established alone(Deut 17:6, 19:15, 1Cor14:29). Learn this today, you should never bring forth a doctrine without 2 or 3 witnesses, because anything God intended we know, he gave it more than one witness. Now tell us Solite3, apart from Paul, do you see anyone saying that females should not hold certain ministerial roles. No. Because, it is not in Christian doctrine to share Christ and his gifts according to gender but only through faith/grace(Rom12:6, 1Pet4:10) and Paul himself never had the thought of gender-specific ministry. We only misunderstood his encoded parable. I hope you don't like Muttleylaff suggested, go around kissing our sisters with holy kisses because it is written. I also hope you haven't cut off your right hand or right eye whenever it looked at wrong images because God said so.

I asked you a simple question and you failed woefully in your attempt to answer. How can the woman in 1Tim2:15 be a literal female, when this woman's salvation is through childbirth. What happens to barren or celibate women. What about unbelieving females who also give birth, will they be saved or partake in Christ's work for making babies, not to mention those out of wedlock. You gave a clumsy and comical answer that could pass for nairaland joke of the year- that women, having by nature, controlling tendencies over men(like we men don't. which is also a big lie in many cases of women I've met, who are rather too submissive), will be saved from that when they give birth...my, my. MuttleyLaff could help us with a good meme for that. There isn't even a single dominant woman who became submissive after childbirth. My question was just to help all see that this was a parable of Paul. Or again would you say Paul is delegating prayer to literal men (excluding women) and dresscodes to literal women. So that prayer is now gender specific? Solite3, stop bothering our women whom God is calling to pastor please.

I want to ask you, where did paul's teaching came from?
Paul was surrounded by other apostles including Peter,James and John and all of them agreed to his teaching and jos calling so paul's teaching are scriptural if you dont agree with it throw your bible away.

Secondly, you said paul was not speaking literally to women, so tell me how did you come about this?
So when paul taught that husband is the head of the wife it was figurative?
When he taught that women should dress moderately it was figurative?

Pls go and sleep.

MuttleyLaff:
It doesnt, it makes you a prophetess, the female version of prophet and occupying the same office

Prophets were sent to Kings in Israel to deliver messages on what God (whose words have not been compiled into one big volume like what we have today called Bible) had for them as instruction!
For instance, Deborah the prophetess (FEMALE) served as a judge in Israel back then, a position of authority over the MEN of Israel!
But when God began anointing Kings for his people, no woman was ANOINTED as King!

Jesus also NEVER chose a FEMALE apostle and it was WRITTEN that those going to heaven will serve as Kings and Priests! Revelations 5:10, 20:6

Jesus emphatically told them that their human nature can't go to heaven, so they'll be transformed into spirit beings (who were all known to be MALES) for there has never been a time an angel appeared in FEMALE form!

Certainly those going to heaven includes FEMALES, but when they get to heaven they'll all become one gender. Meanwhile while they're still on earth, the women must accept God's judicial decision regarding headship, ONLY MALES ARE GIVEN THE PRIVILEGED TO TAKE THE LEAD on earth!

Finallydead:
This might really scare solite3, and it seems shadeyinka, you've been intimidated by his misconception of scripture, like they are trying to do to 1StopRudeness, so I'll help you say it.
. Do you naively think we have every single thing that was taught by speech to early believers or was there ever a time that any of the apostles wrote an epistle to outline all of the doctrine of Christ for future generations?

Three specific times in all his epistles... Or again would you say Paul is delegating prayer to literal men (excluding women) and dresscodes to literal women. So that prayer is now gender specific? Solite3, stop bothering our women whom God is calling to pastor please.

solite3:
I want to ask you, where did paul's teaching came from?
Paul was surrounded by other apostles including Peter,James and John and all of them agreed to his teaching and jos calling so paul's teaching are scriptural if you dont agree with it throw your bible away.

solite3, answer the question FinallyDead asked you nah. Do you think Apostle Paul letters were not places specific and that they are a blueprint , serving as the doctrine of Christ for future generations, hmm?

solite3:
Secondly, you said paul was not speaking literally to women, so tell me how did you come about this?
So when paul taught that husband is the head of the wife it was figurative?
When he taught that women should dress moderately it was figurative?

Pls go and sleep.

When God said, Ephraim, is God's first born, same way Israel is God's first borm, same way David is God's first born., is that figuratively or literally. Zipporah, when her husband failed, and she wasted no time in taking the lead in something spiritual and that is a commanded religious rite demanded by God. There is a time and place for a woman to rightfully take the lead regardless of the man being the head. Capisce?

Maximus69:
ONLY MALES ARE GIVEN THE PRIVILEGED TO TAKE THE LEAD on earth!

Mr smug smile, I bet you'll have it in for Zipporah for taking the lead, lol.

Finallydead:
This might really scare solite3, and it seems shadeyinka, you've been intimidated by his misconception of scripture, like they are trying to do to 1StopRudeness, so I'll help you say it. Your missionary friend/sister is by all standards an APOSTLE, not just standing in for one. Let me scare solite3 even more, there are thousands more female apostles, apart from Junia (Rom16:7), that MuttleyLaff did well to bring up. Eminent among them, in our day is Apostle Heidi Baker in Mozambique who trains and sends out missionaries(many males included) all over Africa through her IRIS network. In fact, I know someone who was commanded by the Spirit to go join IRIS. He is a missionary in Sudan, with his wife today. Solite3, the nightmare isn't over yet. Did you know that Foursquare Gospel church was started by a woman who headed it (General overseer of all male pastors under her) in her lifetime. Or was Joyce Meyer called by Satan. Read her testimony and how God called her. I could go on but....

BlueAngel444, who forgot that the great commission was given to the entire body, not just the twelve as captured in the words "behold, I am with you even to the end of the age" says we should humble ourselves and accept God's word on this matter as it is but the humility God really wants from our generation of christians is to understand our deprivation of knowledge of doctrine and humbly depend primarily on the leading of the Spirit for our walk and His illumination to us of doctrine/scriptures, rather than trying to take scripture at facevalue with our blurred intellect, even at the times our understanding obviously goes against the principles of Christ, which always leads to false doctrines and heresy. Have you considered our deprivation in scriptures in that all we use today for NT doctrine is the epistles written to address matters arising for those who were taught by speech the doctrine, of which none of us was present in the classes. Maybe if you were, you would have understood like everyone whom Paul wrote to clearly did(because they were taught), the concepts of spiritual womanhood and manhood, and its application in church administration, the seven degrees of spiritual womanhood( Is 4:1), the spiritual apparels of womanhood (Is 4:1, 1Tim2:12) and how the spiritual woman is saved by childbirth (1Tim2:15, Rev12:13-16), and you would even see that you yourself are among the women referred to in Paul's parable. Do you naively think we have every single thing that was taught by speech to early believers or was there ever a time that any of the apostles wrote an epistle to outline all of the doctrine of Christ for future generations?

Three specific times in all his epistles, Paul spoke of church administration consistently using the same figure parable of spiritual womanhood and manhood. But we, being ignorant of what he had taught the churches about these spiritual figures, took the figurative and applied it literally resulting in this false doctrine here. When the Lord took flesh and blood and crucified it and brought forth the risen new creation, he broke all barriers between all flesh and blood, whether gender, race, societal status and united us on the front of our equal sharing in flesh and blood into the inheritance(Gifts and all) in the new creation(Gal3:28). Stop belittling His sacrifice, solite3. All flesh and blood is EQUALLY unfit for Christ Gifts except by Grace, and male and female have the very same tendencies so quit with all that women tendencies blah, blah. If the gentile and Jews can hold positions in Christ alike, so can male and female according to Gal 3:28.

And don't you know that by the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses shall spiritual matters be established alone(Deut 17:6, 19:15, 1Cor14:29). Learn this today, you should never bring forth a doctrine without 2 or 3 witnesses, because anything God intended we know, he gave it more than one witness. Now tell us Solite3, apart from Paul, do you see anyone saying that females should not hold certain ministerial roles. No. Because, it is not in Christian doctrine to share Christ and his gifts according to gender but only through faith/grace(Rom12:6, 1Pet4:10) and Paul himself never had the thought of gender-specific ministry. We only misunderstood his encoded parable. I hope you don't like Muttleylaff suggested, go around kissing our sisters with holy kisses because it is written. I also hope you haven't cut off your right hand or right eye whenever it looked at wrong images because God said so.

I asked you a simple question and you failed woefully in your attempt to answer. How can the woman in 1Tim2:15 be a literal female, when this woman's salvation is through childbirth. What happens to barren or celibate women. What about unbelieving females who also give birth, will they be saved or partake in Christ's work for making babies, not to mention those out of wedlock. You gave a clumsy and comical answer that could pass for nairaland joke of the year- that women, having by nature, controlling tendencies over men(like we men don't. which is also a big lie in many cases of women I've met, who are rather too submissive), will be saved from that when they give birth...my, my. MuttleyLaff could help us with a good meme for that. There isn't even a single dominant woman who became submissive after childbirth. My question was just to help all see that this was a parable of Paul. Or again would you say Paul is delegating prayer to literal men (excluding women) and dresscodes to literal women. So that prayer is now gender specific? Solite3, stop bothering our women whom God is calling to pastor please.

all these guys u are quoting are rigid and never entertain anyone's opinion... the explanation that women are controling and they will be saved by practical child birth is the must absurd thing I've ever heard from a person who claims he has understanding of God's word..
..there's no point arguing with them... wateva u say is wrong as long as u don't belong to their denomination.. they are the only ones with true application and interpretation of scripture and going to heaven ....its not really their fault anyways ....thats what they are told in their gatherings...

BlueAngel444:
Please solite3 did you accuse or condemn women, because I know I did not and except I missed something in your posts I didn't read where u did.

And Mr leaf, everyone has hard times and stop twisting facts please

I m tired of these people.
Twisting facts is their trade.
There is no place where it was stated that any woman was an apostle or a pastor, what we have today is just people allocating positions themsleves because they feel their worth is the title they hold.
Imagine people calling themselves general Apostle, Most high priest, Bishop of the whole world, Apostle of the universe, most senior highest General overseer of church etc.
They appear bigger than life, nobody want to humble themselves as Christ did oh I forgot times have changed, they fight for position and can even kill for it forgetting that in the kingdom of God it is not the position you hold that matters but how you serve.
The disciples of Jesus faught for who will be the greatest in the kingdom of God but Jesus brought out a little child into their midst showing them what it means to be great.
Greatness is the ability to humble yourself before God and obey his instructions.
I m not saying any woman who takes the position of being a pastor is going to hell, no! If she is born again and ignorantly takes on that position she would be building on a wrong foundation.
Working for God is like running a race in an olympic competition.
It is not enough to just run, you must run according to the rules of the game and you must continue to the end else no matter how you laboured you will simply be disqualified.

MuttleyLaff:
solites answer the question FinallyDead asked you nah. Do you think Apostle Paul letters were not places specific and that they are a blueprint , serving as the doctrine of Christ for future generations, hmm?

When God said, Ephraim, is God's first born, same way Israel is God's first borm, same way David is God's first born., is that figuratively or literally. Zipporah, when her husband failed, and she wasted no time in taking the lead in something spiritual and that is a commanded religious rite demanded by God. There is a time and place for a woman to rightfully take the lead regardless of the man being the head. Capisce?

Mr smug smile, I bet you'll have it in for Zipporah for taking the lead, lol.

Lol, see how you stated that a woman that helped her husband stay alive took the lead.

You are really what you are, like your father the devil lying from the beginning

solite3:
I m tired of these people.
Twisting facts is their trade.
There is no place where it was stated that any woman was an apostle or a pastor, what we have today is just people allocating positions themsleves because they feel their worth is the title they hold.
Imagine people calling themselves general Apostle, Most high priest, Bishop of the whole world, Apostle of the universe, most senior highest General overseer of church etc.
They appear bigger than life, nobody want to humble themselves as Christ did oh I forgot times have changed, they fight for position and can even kill for it forgetting that in the kingdom of God it is not the position you hold that matters but how you serve.
The disciples of Jesus faught for who will be the greatest in the kingdom of God but Jesus brought out a little child into their midst showing them what it means to be great.
Greatness is the ability to humble yourself before God and obey his instructions.
I m not saying any woman who takes the position of being a pastor is going to hell, no! If she is born again and ignorantly takes on that position she would be building on a wrong foundation.
Working for God is like running a race in an olympic competition.
It is not enough to just run, you must run according to the rules of the game and you must continue to the end else no matter how you laboured you will simply be disqualified.

Being born of God means being led by the Spirit of God - those are the children of God.

And no way will one who is led by the Spirit of God go contrary to God.

Because God's Revealed Word is the foundation, the ROCK

BlueAngel444:
Being born of God means being led by the Spirit of God - those are the children of God.

And no way will one who is led by the Spirit of God go contrary to God.

Because God's Revealed Word is the foundation, the ROCK

The bible right prophesied that a time will come when people will no longer put up with sound teachings but will heap for themselves teachers having itching ears.

2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

MuttleyLaff:
solites answer the question FinallyDead asked you nah. Do you think Apostle Paul letters were not places specific and that they are a blueprint , serving as the doctrine of Christ for future generations, hmm?

When God said, Ephraim, is God's first born, same way Israel is God's first borm, same way David is God's first born., is that figuratively or literally. Zipporah, when her husband failed, and she wasted no time in taking the lead in something spiritual and that is a commanded religious rite demanded by God. There is a time and place for a woman to rightfully take the lead regardless of the man being the head. Capisce?

Mr smug smile, I bet you'll have it in for Zipporah for taking the lead.

If Jehovah's Witnesses say they're not worshiping with you people because you're drifting away from the TEACHINGS of Christ, you will say they're forming holier than thou!


Don't forget that we are not talking about any of ancient prophets here or how the Israelites go about the OLD COVENANT which has been abolished Sir! Jeremiah 31:34

WE ARE DISCUSSING ABOUT THE FOUNDATION STONES LAID DOWN BY GOD'S ONLY BEGOTTEN SON! Matthew 10:2, Revelations 21:14

Well God spoke to those Israelites in DIFFERENT ways before the coming of Jesus (his only begotten son), now we are to focus on Jesus' WORDS, THOUGHTS and ACTIONS! Hebrew 1:1-2

So if you are for Christianity and not Judaism, the arrangement laid down by Jesus should be paramount in your heart!

He chose ONLY MALES to lead his own congregation, any contrary arrangement is UNCHRISTIAN Sir! Galatians 1:8

BlueAngel444:
I am not surprised you don't see it, I'm surprised you admitting to it.

Are you changing your mind about your position?

Maximus69:
Those mentioned "WEREN'T APOSTLES" but active members of the first century Christians congregation "KNOWN TO THE APOSTLES"

There were only twelve Apostles appointed by Jesus for the nation of Israel {Matthew 10:2,Revelation 21:14} but just one Apostle for the nations {Romans 11:13,1Timothy 2:7} making thirteen in all, and they're all MALES!

My friend Maximus69, will anyone flog or beat you if you have a better understanding or interpretation of scriptures not taught in the Kingdom Hall?

According to Matthew 10:2, the Lord Jesus Christ has already chosen His Apostle, but why did He also made some to be Apostles again in Ephesians 4:11? Did He forget or was He missing words?

Maximus69:
So you either take it or leave it, there is NOTHING like FEMALE Apostles in God's word!

The Kingdom Hall/Jehovah witness interpretation of major doctrines in Christendom has always been skewed. So I am not surprise when Maximus69 is proving same.

But the way you cunnily dodge that question is awe. Bros you are smart! But since you have not answered my question here It comes again.

Lol

Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific? Please don't invade this question this time around. 

1 Corinthians 12:28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Romans 16:7
KJV:Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

NB: Andronicus is a male name while Junia is a female name.

BlueAngel444:
Anointed by who?

You know what it was so in the old testament during the era of the laws but not today. Paul said Jesus came to fufil that law,
Women can be leaders.
And if you think am wrong then start following the countless laws in the old testament.

solite3:
men and women has their proper place in the church, the above verse do not suggest women could be leader the church. Paul specifically said women are not to exercise authority over men why do you keep ignoring this? Can a woman be pastor/ apostle without having authority over men in the church?

Yes. A woman can be a Pastor/Apostle without having authority over men in the church. Her duty in that office is to minister Christ Jesus and His Gospel.

The office of a Pastor, Apostle, Evangelist, Teacher, Prophet is under the authority of an Elder/Bishop/General overseer.

Meanwhile, an Elder/Bishop/General overseer can also play a perfect role in any of the offices above.

solite3:
this verse does not suggest that junia or Andronicus were apostles. What it mean is that because of their work they were more recognise in the midst of the apostles than others.

If you say so solite3. But what about the question below

Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific? Please don't invade this question this time around. 

1 Corinthians 12:28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Ephesians 4:11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

hashtagged:
You know what it was so in the old testament during the era of the laws but not today. Paul said Jesus came to fufil that law,
Women can be leaders.
And if you think am wrong then start following the countless laws in the old testament.

Women were made helpers and that isn't some mosaic law

CaveAdullam:
My friend Maximus69, will anyone flog or beat you if you have a better understanding or interpretation of scriptures not taught in the Kingdom Hall?
According to Matthew 10:2, the Lord Jesus Christ has already chosen His Apostle, but why did He also made some to be Apostles again in Ephesians 4:11? Did He forget or was He missing words?
The Kingdom Hall/Jehovah witness interpretation of major doctrines in Christendom has always been skewed. So I am not surprise when Maximus69 is proving same.
But the way you cunnily dodge that question is awe. Bros you are smart! But since you have not answered my question here It comes again.
Lol
Is 1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11 gender specific? Please don't invade this question this time around. 
1 Corinthians 12:28
KJV:And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Ephesians 4:11
KJV:And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Romans 16:7
KJV:Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
NB: Andronicus is a male name while Junia is a female name.

You're free to walk away from JWs teachings @ the Kingdom Hall if what you're been taught is not practically applicable, so nobody is forcing anyone to accept the TRUTH that's yielding fine works!

"Jesus GAVE" says Paul @ Ephesians 4:11
It's clear that Paul WAS referring to the building of the BODY of Christ! Ephesians 4:12

No building could stand without the foundation stones, that's what was revealed to Apostle John in the Bible book of Revelation 21:14.

So Jesus had already GIVEN the foundation stones in form of TWELVE Apostles, every other arrangement is built on this FOUNDATION!
That's what Apostle Paul said @ Ephesians 4:11, Jesus in another illustration referred to these Apostles as the branches attached to him who serves as the tree (vine) while God is the cultivator! {John 15:5} therefore nobody can bear any worthy fruit if not attacked to those main TWELVE branches stemming out of the TREE! John 15:6-10

Paul's statement is clear enough unless you want further clarification on Roman 16:7.
What he is saying is that those mentioned became Christians and they've been working with the Apostles before he (Paul) accepted Christ!

If what you people are practicing is in harmony with Jesus' arrangement, there shouldn't be any confusion amongst you due to all these Racism, Politics and Gender issues!

The Jehovah's Witnesses that you are trying to condemn their interpretation are working out all the fine fruits expected of TRUE Christians amongst them! Galatians 5:22-23

So if the tree (doctrine) is not good it won't bear fine fruits. That's what Jesus said! Matthew 7:15-20