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Out of these influential characters, who means more to you in the world of today, and why?

Marcus Mosiah Garvey.

Marcus Mosiah Garvey Jr was a Jamaican political activist, publisher, journalist, entrepreneur and orator. He is the founder and was the first President-General of one of the first modern pan African movements, whereby he declared himself President of the entire pan African struggles.

Jesus Christ

The Jesus character is purported to have been a prophet, that was said to have been preaching a philosophy no different to Hilder the Elder and said to be the incarnation of the Abrahamic religion's perception of God; the son of their God and the awaited Messiah prophesied in the Abrahamic religious text depending on who amongst the Abrahamic religions you refer..

Omowale El-Malik Shabazz popularly known as Malcolm X was an American pan African minister, was one of the main spokes person for the pressure group known as NOI (Nation of Islam) and human rights activist who is one of the most active and popular participants in the civil rights movement.

TAO11:
it's actually Omowale.

The name he was bestowed with when he visited Nigeria.

He later called this name his most treasured honour in his autobiography.

Out of the above influential characters, who means more to you in your life today?

J

Non

Amujale:
Out of these three influencial characters, who means more to us in the world of today, and why?

You know very well Jesus is not a historical character, so this comparison seems a bit out of place. Garvey and X are real historical persons and shouldn't be compared to a mythical Jesus who we all know never existed.

musicwriter:
You know very well Jesus is not a historical character, so this comparison seems a bit out of place. Garvey and X are real historical persons and shouldn't be compared to a mythical Jesus who we all know never existed.

Here is a social experiment in order to acertain where we are at in terms of the liberation of our brothers and sisters.

Btw, you havent given us your choice.

illicit:
J

Mind giving us a reason for choosing Jesus Christ above Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X.

The people in the above experiment both died in order for us to all have a brighter and better today.

Blakjewelry:
Non

You are to choose one.

Non' is an unacceptable choice for anyone to make.

Amujale:
Here is a social experiment in order to acertain where we are at in terms of the liberation of our brothers and sisters.

I understand what you mean but our brothers and sisters reading this thread would erroneously be reassured that Jesus was a real person because you've inexplicably given it some element of authenticity by comparing it side by side with real historical persons. This's why psychologists and social engineers seemingly ask an unrelated question to get desired data.

In my opinion, changing the caption to ''Which Of These Persons is Not a Historical Figure?'' would actually give you the desired result. Just a suggestion.

musicwriter:
I understand what you mean but our brothers and sisters reading this thread would actually be reassured that Jesus was at least a real person because you've inexplicably given it some element of authenticity by comparing it side by side with real historical persons. This's why psychologists and social engineers seemingly ask an unrelated question to get desired data.

In my opinion, changing the caption to ''Which Of These Persons is Not a Historical Figure?'' would actually give you the desired result. Just a suggestion.

I hear you, yet Jesus Christ is an influential character.

All of them are influential characters.

Kindly provide your answer to the initial question, let's build from there.

Amujale:
I hear you, yet Jesus Christ is an influential character.

All of them are influential characters.

Kindly provide your answer to the initial question, let's build from there.

If you're asking who is more influential in the world, then its certainly Jesus or Muhammad. But if you're asking who is more influential to me personally, he's Garvey.

Believe it or not, you're just giving Jesus a boost of authenticity on this thread.

musicwriter:
If you're asking who is more influential in the world, then its certainly Jesus or Muhammad. But if you're asking who is more influential to me personally, he's Garvey...

For me, I grew up in a panAfricanist family and my parents and siblings fed me the experience of all these influential characters.

One could say that my experience of these enigmatic characters was simultaneous.

They both served their purpose.

Marcus was a good man who sought to help his people and that led him in taking is life saving programme to the North America. His fit for purpose programme saved the lives of many people.


Malcolm was a good brother who fought for his people here and abroad. A progressive struggle that led him to include the United Nations as one of the places where he would be pitching his main programme.

The Jesus image, Michael Angelo's first cousin who posed for those JP pictures that is now the standard depiction of the Serapis Image.

But if you notice the symbolism of the picture, with the reef around the heart.

The image of the 'Jesus Christ' character is a magic trick that one of our elders dispelled years ago.

The Jesus image is a perpetuation of the worship of the Serapis image.

We going from the bottom up, because Caesar Borgia is at the bottom.

The Jesus character is commonly called in the conscious world as Caesar Borgia; possess the ability to effect emotions and affect them at the same time.

The Jesus image and the Serapis image are one and the same, and is letting you know he going to affect you, he's going to affect your emotions, because emotions is an area in our hearts that not many of us have no knowledge about.

Then if you get smart enough to get past the emotions encapsulation in the Jesus image, then he tackles the brain by instantly putting the brain in a mystical world with the person's own aura, where many of us don't have any knowledge about the mysticism either.
Mysticism is mystery, the mystery here is that, not many of us know the above situations that arise out of staring at the Serapis image.

Put me in your house, i don't even exist. (Not me, I meant Caesar Borgia)

Eventhough I have huge amount of respect for the great work put in by Marcus Mosiah Garvey, i dont agree with either Catholicsm or Christianitysic, yet i understand and agree with MMG's reasoning.

Similarly, in choosing Malcolm X, i have already factored in the fact that i do not subscribe to the ideologies of either NOI or Islam, rather i merely understand and agree with his reasoning and practical solutions.

Omowale El-Malik Shabazz, means so much to me due to his perseverance and the urge to carry on fighting even when all hope look to be lost. He found himself and reinvented himself inside one lifetime.

illicit:
J

What if i told you that Jesus didnt really exist.

The image of Jesus is fake.

musicwriter:
...Jesus is not a historical character, so this comparison seems a bit out of place. Garvey and X are real historical persons and shouldn't be compared to a mythical Jesus who we all know never existed.

Amujale:
What if i told you that Jesus didnt really exist.

The image of Jesus is fake.

Jesus started a cause that he died for.
U can't tell me he didn't live

illicit:
Jesus started a cause that he died for.
U can't tell me he didn't live

Jesus never existed.

There was never a person who walked the Earth known as Jesus Christ.

The Jesus character is an adaptation of various older religioussic characters from around the globe.

The name Jesus is fake due to the fact that its an adaptation of the Greek god Zeus.

Zeus is an adaptation of Sango.

The quickest way to get to where you want to be.

The Spanish term for Jesus is
Jesús - pronounced Jay-zeus.

Deriving from the Greek word Iēsous (Greek: Ἰησοῦς) pronounced izeus. This was translated into the English word Jesus.

The name Jesus refers to the Greek god Zeus.

Thor and Zeus are both well known adaptations of Sango.

Amujale:
There was never a person that walked the Earth who was called Jesus Christ, however, Marcus and Malcom did start a cause that they died for.

Jesus christ is an adaptation of various older religioussic characters from around the globe.

You are wrong.
Jesus Christ actually lived.... It's just like you are saying Julius Caeser never lived

illicit:
You are wrong.
Jesus Christ actually lived.... It's just like you are saying Julius Caeser never lived

Jesus Christ never existed.

According to Roman history, Julius Caesar was a Roman ruler, a real person that has a historical record.

There are no genuine evidence of a person called Jesus Christ anywhere in human history.

Provide us with your evidence that contradicts the broadly accepted fact that Jesus is a fictitious character.

In a way, i was being generous refering to the fictional character as Julius Ceasar. i.e Cäsar Bücher

The correct term is written as Caesar Borgia (Pronounced Ceasar Bor-shay), the illegitimate son of Pope Alexander (V).

That is to say, the current Serapis image, the same image that is assigned to the Jesus character, is a paiting representation of the son of a former Pope.

Amujale:
Jesus Christ never existed.

According to Roman history, Julius Caesar was a Roman ruler, a real person that has a historical record.

There are no genuine evidence of a person called Jesus Christ anywhere in human history.

Provide us with your evidence that contradicts the broadly accepted fact that Jesus is a fictitious character.

Ok let me ask you. Did Peter and Paul exist?

illicit:
Ok let me ask you. Did Peter and Paul exist?

No, the biblical Peter and Paul never existed.

They are both inventions of the authors of the Christian Bible.

Amujale:
No, the biblical Peter and Paul never existed.

They are both inventions of the authors of the Christian Bible.

So there was no certain Peter buried under the St Peter basillica. You mean there was no record of Paul's agency under the Jews, there was no record of the churches he stated or visited in asia, there was no record of his arrests and trials?

illicit:
So there was no certain Peter buried under the St Peter basillica. You mean there was no record of Paul's agency under the Jews, there was no record of the churches he stated or visited in asia, there was no record of his arrests and trials?

I take it that we are in agreement that Jesus is a fictitious character.

Even if we are to assume that Peter and Paul were real, eventhough we know that they arent, how does that prove the authencity of either the Jesus character or the Jesus image.

Even in Christiendom there isnt agreement in how the image of this fictitious character should be depicted, according to the Hebrew Israelites, the Jesus image is wrong, they say their Jesus looked like a Nigerian.

Amujale:
I take it that we are in agreement that Jesus is a fictitious character.

Even if we are to assume that Peter and Paul were real, eventhough we know that they arent, how does that prove the authencity of either the Jesus character or the Jesus image.

Even in Christiendom there isnt agreement in how the image of this fictitious character should be depicted, according to the Hebrew Israelites, the Jesus image is wrong, they say their Jesus looked like a Nigerian.

We are not in agreement that Jesus is fictitious but I think we are in agreement that Paul and Peter lived. If Peter lived, do you agree that he was an actual disciple of Jesus? Did you believe that Saul (Paul) was commissioned under the Jewish agency to go after the disciples in dispersion? Jesus lived and started a movement which later became christainity, this is true and real.

illicit:
We are not in agreement that Jesus is fictitious but I think we are in agreement that Paul and Peter lived. If Peter lived, do you agree that he was an actual disciple of Jesus? Did you believe that Saul (Paul) was commissioned under the Jewish agency to go after the disciples in dispersion? Jesus lived and started a movement which later became christainity, this is true and real.

There are no characters or storyline present inside the Christian bible that can claim to being original, its either they was stolen, repackaged, plagiarised, copied, sexed-up or simply outrightly fabricated.

I want you to kindly provide your answer to the previous question below.

Amujale:
Even if we are to assume that Peter and Paul were real, eventhough we know that they arent, how does that prove the authencity of either the Jesus character or the Jesus image.

Meanwhile, our focus here is on the Jesus image, what are the reasons you chose Jesus Christ above Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X.

I think we can agree on the fact that those two African revolutionaries walked the face of the Earth in our era, whilst the Jesus Christ character doesnt exist.

Amujale:
Olawale El-Malik Shabazz popularly known as Malcolm X

Bro, it's actually Omowale.

The name he was bestowed with when he visited Nigeria.

He later called this name his most treasured honour in his autobiography.

TAO11:
Bro, it's actually Omowale.

The name he was bestowed with when he visited Nigeria.

He later called this name his most treasured honour in his autobiography.

Great brother, thanks for the correction. Post updated accordingly.

musicwriter:
If you're asking who is more influential in the world, then its certainly Jesus or Muhammad. But if you're asking who is more influential to me personally, he's Garvey...

Teach!

We understand that you know that the Jesus image is fake and that Jesus is the only character on display that did not actually exist, with these same understandings, kindly provide us with the reasons you chose Marcus Mosiah Garvey above Jesus Christ and Malcolm X.

Marcus Mosiah Garvey was a real person that has a historical record.