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God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Deicide: 9:24pm On Feb 08, 2020
grin abi i lie

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by SpacehubTech: 9:29pm On Feb 08, 2020
so tell us your creator? if you are existing??
foolish post

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Ladylite: 9:37pm On Feb 08, 2020
Let us not deceive ourselves.

As long as there are too many unexplainable things in this life.... There must be forces beyond our control and realms beyond our reach.

God does not exist, HE LIVESSSSS
grin

He does not need believers, we believe because we need Him.

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by TheExecutioner: 9:40pm On Feb 08, 2020
Someone who exists before time, space and matter does not need a creator.

Deicide:
grin abi i lie

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Gideon97(m): 9:43pm On Feb 08, 2020
Ladylite:
Let us not deceive ourselves.

As long as there are too many unexplainable things in this life.... There must be forces beyond our control and realms beyond our reach.

God does not exist, HE LIVESSSSS
grin

He does not need believers, we believe because we need Him.

I agree with your first statement about there being too many unexplainable things in life, but what gives you the reason (or right) to invoke God? Is god your answer for anything you can't explain? What you've just done is called the god of gaps fallacy, you should google it and read about it a little.

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by saheedbadmus(m): 9:46pm On Feb 08, 2020
God doesn't need a creator cos he created all creators, he created life - earth � time space etc .. he is the beginning and the end..

هُوَ الْأَوَّلُ وَالْآخِرُ وَالظَّاهِرُ وَالْبَاطِنُ ۖ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ

He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him).

Pounder about that bro

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Deicide: 9:47pm On Feb 08, 2020
They write am for your holy book or are you a deist? grin

And besides how can something exist before time and? can you prove this?

matter cannot be created so how does God exist before it
TheExecutioner:

Someone who exists before time, space and matter does not need a creator.

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Deicide: 9:49pm On Feb 08, 2020
una no tell me say na small small children don full this section cheesy

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Timson01(m): 9:57pm On Feb 08, 2020
Deicide:
grin abi i lie
if u have sense then you should know that you don't exist because it was nether your parent that created you

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by TheExecutioner: 10:48pm On Feb 08, 2020
Time, space and matter are the three major components of what we call reality.

Those 3 components could only come into existence at the same instance and not on different occasions.

For example, if only matter exists but you don't have time or space, where would you keep the matter and when would you keep it?

The Bible is the only religious book which recognises that time space and matter came into existence simultaneously.

The very first chapter of the Bible states that time, space and matter came into existence at the same time:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning(time) God created the heaven(space) and the earth(matter).

In just the first 10 words of the Bible we have God bringing together the 3 elements of reality: time, space and matter together simultaneously.

No other Book or religion other than the Judeo-Christian faith has accomplished this feat.







Deicide:
They write am for your holy book or are you a deist? grin

And besides how can something exist before time and? can you prove this?

matter cannot be created so how does God exist before it

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Ladylite: 11:19pm On Feb 08, 2020
Gideon97:


I agree with your first statement about there being too many unexplainable things in life, but what gives you the reason (or right) to invoke God? Is god your answer for anything you can't explain? What you've just done is called the god of gaps fallacy, you should google it and read about it a little.

Because I believe that there are unexplainable things my mind is open to any proof of the existence of such things... Proofs exist in books and experiences or encounters.

Everyone has their own encounters with the unexplained phenomenon, some experience these encounters just before death and others like me have had Near Death Experiences which became proof to us of the afterlife and we know for a fact that there is life after death and the curiosity of such experience kept out minds open to who or what controls the afterlife and we began to understand many things that are hidden from some of you that are locked up in this physical realm.

Yet there are others who without the NDE encounters have had their share of the supernatural in the constant occurrences of dejavu or premonitions.... Which science is yet to explain... Where you can dream or see someone dying or some occurrence happening and few days later it happens in the exact same way.... Kindly explain that.


But to shut your mind and think there is no God is the biggest ignorance of all.

For the universe, and all in it could NEVER have intelligently existence by itself.

I hope you know that there are people in this world that have not met you and to them you do not exist.... Consider that o

Finally I would rather live my life for God than live hoping with empty conviction that he doesn't exist.

I wonder why people like you are so bend of making others join you in your unbelief... Maybe you once believed and it didn't work for you because you went about it so superstitiously.... Well I have proof and I have a good relationship with God. I know there is heaven and hell. I am also aware that God is not responsible for the mishaps in this world... The devil is not either... Human beings are.

The devil exists but can not do anything without a human being.... Yes, we are more powerful than evil.

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Bacteriologist(m): 11:25pm On Feb 08, 2020

Ladylite:
Let us not deceive ourselves.

As long as there are too many unexplainable things in this life.... There must be forces beyond our control and realms beyond our reach.

God does not exist, HE LIVESSSSS
grin

He does not need believers, we believe because we need Him.


God of the gaps

"Oh we don't know therefore god exists."

"We don't know X therefore Y exists."

Read about why it is a nonsensical argument here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Bacteriologist(m): 11:27pm On Feb 08, 2020
TheExecutioner:

Time, space and matter are the three major components of what we call reality.

Those 3 components could only come into existence at the same instance and not on different occasions.

For example, if only matter exists but you don't have time or space, where would you keep the matter and when would you keep it?

The Bible is the only religious book which recognises that time space and matter came into existence simultaneously.

The very first chapter of the Bible states that time, space and matter came into existence at the same time:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning(time) God created the heaven(space) and the earth(matter).

In just the first 10 words of the Bible we have God bringing together the 3 elements of reality: time, space and matter together simultaneously.

No other Book or religion other than the Judeo-Christian faith has accomplished this feat.




Yup same Bible that endorses slavery, homophobia, misogyny and wholesale genocidal cleansing.

A book that talk about talking snakes, talking donkeys and a global flood is the worst thing that can be compared to an actual scientific text.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Ladylite: 11:32pm On Feb 08, 2020
Bacteriologist:



God of the gaps

"Oh we don't know therefore god exists."

"We don't know X therefore Y exists."

Read about why it is a nonsensical argument here:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps


My pictures solves your problem.

Prove his non existence pleaaasseeeee


Not some link of a person you do not know. Personally prove it... Else you are as false as you just pointed out.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Bacteriologist(m): 11:46pm On Feb 08, 2020
Ladylite:


Because I believe that there are unexplainable things my mind is open to any proof of the existence of such things... Proofs exist in books and experiences or encounters.

Everyone has their own encounters with the unexplained phenomenon, some experience these encounters just before death and others like me have had Near Death Experiences which became proof to us of the afterlife and we know for a fact that there is life after death and the curiosity of such experience kept out minds open to who or what controls the afterlife and we began to understand many things that are hidden from some of you that are locked up in this physical realm.
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Anecdotal utterances are not evidence. The plural of anecdote is anecdotes not evidence.

Your inability to explain some things is not proof or evidence for other things. That is a false dichotomy born from ignorance.

Personal experience is not evidence.

NDEs are not evidence.

Christ on a bike! Pick up a füčking book OTHER than the füčking slave manual called the Bible.


Ladylite:

Yet there are others who without the NDE encounters have had their share of the supernatural in the constant occurrences of dejavu or premonitions.... Which science is yet to explain... Where you can dream or see someone dying or some occurrence happening and few days later it happens in the exact same way.... Kindly explain that. .

And the argument from ignorance continues. the inability of science explain some things does not automatically mean they do or do not exist.

And dreaming about some occurrence that later happened still does not act as evidence for your claims. There are other dreams that failed to materialise and I am sure you will not remember those because they do no fit in to your sorry arguments. You have a memory bias in trying to justify the absurd belief in a god because you are without actual irrefutable evidence.

Try harder.


Ladylite:

But to shut your mind and think there is no God is the biggest ignorance of all. .

No. Actually the biggest ignorance of all is to claim that something exists and has a really big impact on everyday life WHILE NOT being able to remotely demonstrate how such thing exists

OR THAT

the thing has an impact on everyday life without making ridiculous leaps in superstitious reasoning and appeals to subjective and unreliable evidence.

Once again, that's the textbook definition of ignorance. Provide your evidence.


Ladylite:

For the universe, and all in it could NEVER have intelligently existence by itself. .

Your inability to grasp the high plausibility that the universe could in fact have existed since time immemorial is not evidence that it could not have existed by itself.

It is only evidence that YOU are mentally incapable of reviewing several other hypothetical scenarios of high possibility about the origin of the universe.

After all you believe that God existed since infinity.


Ladylite:

I hope you know that there are people in this world that have not met you and to them you do not exist.... Consider that o.

What a ridiculous argument. We demand evidence does not mean we only demand evidence by sight seeing.

No one sees oxygen molecules but we know it's there. Because we can test for it using the scientific method. It is the single most reliable, verifiable, falsifiable method of determining and understanding reality. Science does not rely on the five senses. There are several other methods of recognising things that exists.

Do you care to explain why we have not found ANY (at all) scientific evidence WHATSOEVER for God? Oh never mind. You're indoctrinated.

Your desperate (and ignorant) attempts to identify gaps in human reasoning so as to fit in your idea of a god further suggests that you are very much aware you have no such thing as objective evidence for your claims.

What a bum.

Ladylite:

Finally I would rather live my life for God than live hoping with empty conviction that he doesn't exist..

So that means that your service is not actually based on evidential conviction. You're just pretending to believe. You are gambling on all gods. Because we have close to 5000 of them.

Why not serve all the gods if you don't want to end up serving the wrong one?

Or do you just go with the one you were born in as the only correct one..I K R...lol
.

Ladylite:

I wonder why people like you are so bend of making others join you in your unbelief... Maybe you once believed and it didn't work for you because you went about it so superstitiously.... Well I have proof and I have a good relationship with God. I know there is heaven and hell. I am also aware that God is not responsible for the mishaps in this world... The devil is not either... Human beings are..


You, Christians, are the once charged with preaching to all the corners of the Earth. Atheists have no such obligation. We are just trying to protect our society from religious idiots will try to project their warped, asinine beliefs and understanding of morality into the law.

When theists stop being such monumental assholes, we might give them a break.



Ladylite:
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The devil exists but can not do anything without a human being.... Yes, we are more powerful than evil. [/s]


Religious platitude. The same devil that rebelled Yahweh before humans were created cannot do "anything" without humans? Lol

I always say that I share the opinion that religion is mental illness.

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Ladylite: 11:54pm On Feb 08, 2020
Bacteriologist:


Anecdotal utterances are not evidence. The plural of anecdote is anecdotes not evidence.

Your inability to explain some things is not proof or evidence for other things. That is a false dichotomy born from ignorance.

Personal experience is not evidence.

NDEs are not evidence.

Christ on a bike! Pick up a füčking book OTHER than the füčking slave manual called the Bible.




And the argument from ignorance continues. the inability of science explain some things does not automatically mean they do or do not exist.

And dreaming about some occurrence that later happened still does not act as evidence for your claims. There are other dreams that failed to materialise and I am sure you will not remember those because they do no fit in to your sorry arguments. You have a memory bias in trying to justify the absurd belief in a god because you are without actual irrefutable evidence.

Try harder.




No. Actually the biggest ignorance of all is to claim that something exists and has a really big impact on everyday life WHILE NOT being able to remotely demonstrate how such thing exists

OR THAT

the thing has an impact on everyday life without making ridiculous leaps in superstitious reasoning and appeals to subjective and unreliable evidence.

Once again, that's the textbook definition of ignorance. Provide your evidence.




Your inability to grasp the high plausibility that the universe could in fact have existed since time immemorial is not evidence that it could not have existed by itself.

It is only evidence that YOU are mentally unable of reviewing several other hypothetical scenarios of high possibility.

After all you believe that God existed since infinity.




What a ridiculous argument. We demand evidence does not mean we only demand evidence by sight seeing.

No one sees oxygen molecules but we know it's there. Because we can test for it using the scientific method. It is the single most reliable, verifiable, falsifiable method of determining and understanding reality. Science does not rely on the five senses. There are several other methods of recognising things that exists.

Do you care to explain why we have not found ANY (at all) scientific evidence WHATSOEVER for God? Oh never mind. You're indoctrinated.

Your desperate (and ignorant) attempts to identify gaps in human reasoning so as to fit in your idea of a god further suggests that you are very much aware you have no such thing as objective evidence for your claims.

What a bum.



So that means that your service is not actually based on evidential conviction. You're just pretending to believe. You are gambling on all gods. Because we have close to 5000 of them.

Why not serve all the gods if you don't want to end up serving the wrong one?

Or do you just go with the one you were born in as the only correct one..I K R...lol
.



You, Christians, are the once charged with preaching to all the corners of the Earth. Atheists have no such obligation. We are just trying to protect our society from religious idiots will try to project their warped, asinine beliefs and understanding of morality into the law.

When theists stop being such monumental assholes, we might give them a break.





Religious platitude. The same devil that rebelled Yahweh before humans were created cannot do "anything" without humans? Lol

I always say that I share the opinion that religion is mental illness.

I was not even trying. I was just gisting.

Try hard enough and sleep on your ignorance. You just might have to go to church tomorrow.


You guys are jokers not comedians.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Bacteriologist(m): 11:58pm On Feb 08, 2020
Ladylite:


My pictures solves your problem.

Prove his non existence pleaaasseeeee


Not some link of a person you do not know. Personally prove it... Else you are as false as you just pointed out.


So I am supposed to disprove something that has never been shown to exist?

Then by that logic you can claim anything is real. I can claim Spider-Man is real or Superman is real and I wouldn't have to prove it.

I will just subscribe to the nonsensical shifting of burden of proof by saying doubters should disprove it.

I have a magical teapot orbiting my house. And it is going to make you burn in hell for eternity. I don't have to prove it you only have to disprove it.

Now do you see why YOUR kind of argument is a silly sorry ass attempt at shifting the burden of proof?

The burden of proof lies on the claimant. So try again. If you make the claim that "god exists." Provide your evidence.

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Bacteriologist(m): 12:01am On Feb 09, 2020
Ladylite:


I was not even trying. I was just gisting.

Ah yes...I agree. You were trying to gist about evidence in defence for your almighty God. Lol

Ladylite:

Try hard enough and sleep on your ignorance. You just might have to go to church tomorrow.


Yeah sure I do love to go to church- TO LAUGH.

Ladylite:

You guys are jokers not comedians.

Nonsensical religious platitude.

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Bacteriologist(m): 12:12am On Feb 09, 2020
saheedbadmus:
God doesn't need a creator cos he created all creators, he created life - earth � time space etc .. he is the beginning and the end..

هُوَ الْأَوَّلُ وَالْآخِرُ وَالظَّاهِرُ وَالْبَاطِنُ ۖ وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ

He is the First (nothing is before Him) and the Last (nothing is after Him), the Most High (nothing is above Him) and the Most Near (nothing is nearer than Him).

Pounder about that bro


Special pleading.

"Universe could have existed since infinity."

Muslim: "You infidel. It is Impossible. How could such a complex universe come from nothing? You will burn in hell."

"God existed since infinity."

Muslim: "Yes I agree. It is absolutely true. Allah is complex but he existed since infinity. And he wants to blow up ourselves for 77 virgins, beat our wives and treat every other women as property"

Smh

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by TheExecutioner: 7:26am On Feb 09, 2020
I know it's hard for atheists to grasp the concept of divine wrath, but I at least expect you guys to be capable of some form basic intelligent reasoning.What you call genocide in the Bible is nothing more than God manifesting His Divine Wrath and punishing nations for their sins/crimes.

Genocide on the other hand means the killing of a group of people specifically because of their racial attributes or because they practice a particular religion.

As for what you call slavery in the Bible, it was more of indentured servitude. In indentured servitude, it is not the human being who is owned, rather it is his ability to work which belongs to his master and it was usually for the purpose of paying off debts.

As for talking snakes and talking donkeys, the Bible doesn't credit snakes or donkeys with a natural ability to talk, rather the talking snake in the book of Genesis is able to speak because it has been possessed by Satan, while the talking donkey received the ability to talk only for one specific purpose on one specific occasion (to warn his master of imminent death). There is nowhere in the Bible where it is ever stated that speaking is a natural ability which animals possess like human beings.

As for misogyny in the Bible, please provide me with specific passages from the Bible where God regards women as being inferior to men.


Bacteriologist:
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Yup same Bible that endorses slavery, homophobia, misogyny and wholesale genocidal cleansing.

A book that talk about talking snakes, talking donkeys and a global flood is the worst thing that can be compared to an actual scientific text.

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by orisa37: 1:05pm On Feb 09, 2020
GOD LIVES IN HIS GODSPHERE AND OUTSIDE OF HUMANS CONJECTURE.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by orisa37: 1:11pm On Feb 09, 2020
Ladylite:
Let us not deceive ourselves.

As long as there are too many unexplainable things in this life.... There must be forces beyond our control and realms beyond our reach.

God does not exist, HE LIVESSSSS
grin

He does not need believers, we believe because we need Him.





God is neither a Chinese nor a Biafran. God is all of us.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by orisa37: 1:18pm On Feb 09, 2020
SpacehubTech:
so tell us your creator? if you are existing??
foolish post




His Mother wasn't a Virgin.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by orisa37: 1:27pm On Feb 09, 2020
TheExecutioner:

Someone who exists before time, space and matter does not need a creator.





Have you heard that? God is a MATERIAL BEYOND TIME AND MATTER. HE IS NOT A SON OF A BEAST, BASTARD AND PROSTITUTE LIKE US !!!
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by orisa37: 1:58pm On Feb 09, 2020
There being too many unexplainable things in life is God. God legitimises Life. So Good is The Answer to Everything because God is Everything. God of Gaps and Fallacies, Yes. And Same God will soon fill those Gaps and make true those Fallacies in His Own Time and Truth.. Nairaland.com is a Resource Source of Google..
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Gideon97(m): 6:08pm On Feb 09, 2020
Ladylite:


Because I believe that there are unexplainable things my mind is open to any proof of the existence of such things... Proofs exist in books and experiences or encounters.

Everyone has their own encounters with the unexplained phenomenon, some experience these encounters just before death and others like me have had Near Death Experiences which became proof to us of the afterlife and we know for a fact that there is life after death and the curiosity of such experience kept out minds open to who or what controls the afterlife and we began to understand many things that are hidden from some of you that are locked up in this physical realm.

Yet there are others who without the NDE encounters have had their share of the supernatural in the constant occurrences of dejavu or premonitions.... Which science is yet to explain... Where you can dream or see someone dying or some occurrence happening and few days later it happens in the exact same way.... Kindly explain that.


But to shut your mind and think there is no God is the biggest ignorance of all.

For the universe, and all in it could NEVER have intelligently existence by itself.

I hope you know that there are people in this world that have not met you and to them you do not exist.... Consider that o

Finally I would rather live my life for God than live hoping with empty conviction that he doesn't exist.

I wonder why people like you are so bend of making others join you in your unbelief... Maybe you once believed and it didn't work for you because you went about it so superstitiously.... Well I have proof and I have a good relationship with God. I know there is heaven and hell. I am also aware that God is not responsible for the mishaps in this world... The devil is not either... Human beings are.

The devil exists but can not do anything without a human being.... Yes, we are more powerful than evil.

"Because I believe that there are unexplainable things my mind is open to any proof of the existence of such things... Proofs exist in books and experiences or encounters. "
Believing there are unexplainable things is a far cry from believing there is a God. I also beleive there are unexplainable things in this life, but i don't invoke God, because i don't have enough evidence to. If you can't explain something, it's ok to say "I don't know"

"Everyone has their own encounters with the unexplained phenomenon, some experience these encounters just before death and others like me have had Near Death Experiences which became proof to us of the afterlife and we know for a fact that there is life after death and the curiosity of such experience kept out minds open to who or what controls the afterlife and we began to understand many things that are hidden from some of you that are locked up in this physical realm."
Everyone has had their experiences, and i'm not trying to dictate to you what it is or isn't, but my main point is not to rush to big conclusions of God or Supernatural, but rather search for a rational answer, and even the lack there off one does not necessarily justify God (again God of Gaps).
Near death Experiences are not a proof of the afterlife. Believe me NDEs (Near death Experiences) have been studied for decades and these experiences all vary from each other greatly. Plus science has recognized a phenomenon in the brain that makes people hallucinate during these situations. This video is a great summary on the scientific work that has gone into it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz0C0JpVqnM

"Yet there are others who without the NDE encounters have had their share of the supernatural in the constant occurrences of dejavu or premonitions.... Which science is yet to explain... Where you can dream or see someone dying or some occurrence happening and few days later it happens in the exact same way.... Kindly explain that. "
These experiences are all anecdotal and there have been studies that have put them to empirical scientific tests and they fail time and time again. Alot of people have had these De Ja Vu premonitions but they often throw away the hundreds of times they were wrong and find meaning in the few coincidences. I've also had the De ja Vu or "premonitions", and believe me, i want to believe in the supernatural. But i'm not going to make big leaps in logic because i can't explain it. Again, if something happens that i can't explain, then i simply say "I don't know" and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

"But to shut your mind and think there is no God is the biggest ignorance of all.

For the universe, and all in it could NEVER have intelligently existence by itself.

I hope you know that there are people in this world that have not met you and to them you do not exist.... Consider that o

Finally I would rather live my life for God than live hoping with empty conviction that he doesn't exist."

I haven't "shut my mind". I don't make the claim that there is no God, I say I don't believe in him because there is not enough evidence. Pls understand this. I'm not actively trying to disbelieve god the same way you're not actively trying to disbelieve in unicorns. I just don't believe , it's state and not an action. There just isn't just any conclusive evidence yet.
I can't explain the existence of the Universe and i won't try to. But i'm leaning towards scientific explanations because they atleast present logical theories and pieces of evidences.
Yes people have not met me and to them i don't exist, and you know what? that is a logical stance to have. They haven't met me, and so if someone tells them i exist, then they can either say "I don't know" or "i don't believe until tangible evidence is brought. Tangible evidence can be brought forward my existence but can thesame be said for God? Do you understand this? and besides, this is not a parallel analogy to this argument because they know humans exist, so telling them i exist is not far fetched.

"I wonder why people like you are so bend of making others join you in your unbelief... Maybe you once believed and it didn't work for you because you went about it so superstitiously.... Well I have proof and I have a good relationship with God. I know there is heaven and hell. I am also aware that God is not responsible for the mishaps in this world... The devil is not either... Human beings are."

I am not bent on making anyone join my unbelief, i want people to think logically. It's actually the other way around. Religious people want others to believe in their belief base on faith alone, and i'm sorry, this is not enough for everyone. Faith alone is not a good foundation for a belief system.
Yes i used to believe. I was born into an evangelical family and had religion spoon fed to me. I went to church, read the bible and prayed daily. But then i got access to the internet (back in 2007) and then got exposed to different ideas and beliefs. I began to discuss with people who challenged the things i believed. When i started really looking for myself, i started seeing the cracks and holes and eventually i became an agnostic/atheist.
"You know there is heaven and hell?" What evidence do you have of these claims? Do you understand my point? Even if these places are real, you have no way to prove this (except anecdotal evidences) and can't expect everyone to believe. If your God is real, he also understands this and knows the evidence that would make someone (like me) believe but withholds it.

"Finally I would rather live my life for God than live hoping with empty conviction that he doesn't exist."

This last statement is an example of the ideology many religious people have that actually ticks me off. That i can't live my life with any meaning or purpose because i don't believe in what they do. I try to live my life to the fullest everyday. I have good days and bad days. I have dreams and aspirations. I try to be empathetic and see things from different perspective. I respect my fellow man and bear no ill will to anyone. I do good because i want to not because heaven an hell are hanging around my neck.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Ladylite: 6:31pm On Feb 09, 2020
Gideon97:


"Because I believe that there are unexplainable things my mind is open to any proof of the existence of such things... Proofs exist in books and experiences or encounters. "
Believing there are unexplainable things is a far cry from believing there is a God. I also beleive there are unexplainable things in this life, but i don't invoke God, because i don't have enough evidence to. If you can't explain something, it's ok to say "I don't know"

"Everyone has their own encounters with the unexplained phenomenon, some experience these encounters just before death and others like me have had Near Death Experiences which became proof to us of the afterlife and we know for a fact that there is life after death and the curiosity of such experience kept out minds open to who or what controls the afterlife and we began to understand many things that are hidden from some of you that are locked up in this physical realm."
Everyone has had their experiences, and i'm not trying to dictate to you what it is or isn't, but my main point is not to rush to big conclusions of God or Supernatural, but rather search for a rational answer, and even the lack there off one does not necessarily justify God (again God of Gaps).
Near death Experiences are not a proof of the afterlife. Believe me NDEs (Near death Experiences) have been studied for decades and these experiences all vary from each other greatly. Plus science has recognized a phenomenon in the brain that makes people hallucinate during these situations. This video is a great summary on the scientific work that has gone into it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz0C0JpVqnM

"Yet there are others who without the NDE encounters have had their share of the supernatural in the constant occurrences of dejavu or premonitions.... Which science is yet to explain... Where you can dream or see someone dying or some occurrence happening and few days later it happens in the exact same way.... Kindly explain that. "
These experiences are all anecdotal and there have been studies that have put them to empirical scientific tests and they fail time and time again. Alot of people have had these De Ja Vu premonitions but they often throw away the hundreds of times they were wrong and find meaning in the few coincidences. I've also had the De ja Vu or "premonitions", and believe me, i want to believe in the supernatural. But i'm not going to make big leaps in logic because i can't explain it. Again, if something happens that i can't explain, then i simply say "I don't know" and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

"But to shut your mind and think there is no God is the biggest ignorance of all.

For the universe, and all in it could NEVER have intelligently existence by itself.

I hope you know that there are people in this world that have not met you and to them you do not exist.... Consider that o

Finally I would rather live my life for God than live hoping with empty conviction that he doesn't exist."

I haven't "shut my mind". I don't make the claim that there is no God, I say I don't believe in him because there is not enough evidence. Pls understand this. I'm not actively trying to disbelieve god the same way you're not actively trying to disbelieve in unicorns. I just don't believe , it's state and not an action. There just isn't just any conclusive evidence yet.
I can't explain the existence of the Universe and i won't try to. But i'm leaning towards scientific explanations because they atleast present logical theories and pieces of evidences.
Yes people have not met me and to them i don't exist, and you know what? that is a logical stance to have. They haven't met me, and so if someone tells them i exist, then they can either say "I don't know" or "i don't believe until tangible evidence is brought. Tangible evidence can be brought forward my existence but can thesame be said for God? Do you understand this? and besides, this is not a parallel analogy to this argument because they know humans exist, so telling them i exist is not far fetched.

"I wonder why people like you are so bend of making others join you in your unbelief... Maybe you once believed and it didn't work for you because you went about it so superstitiously.... Well I have proof and I have a good relationship with God. I know there is heaven and hell. I am also aware that God is not responsible for the mishaps in this world... The devil is not either... Human beings are."

I am not bent on making anyone join my unbelief, i want people to think logically. It's actually the other way around. Religious people want others to believe in their belief base on faith alone, and i'm sorry, this is not enough for everyone. Faith alone is not a good foundation for a belief system.
Yes i used to believe. I was born into an evangelical family and had religion spoon fed to me. I went to church, read the bible and prayed daily. But then i got access to the internet (back in 2007) and then got exposed to different ideas and beliefs. I began to discuss with people who challenged the things i believed. When i started really looking for myself, i started seeing the cracks and holes and eventually i became an agnostic/atheist.
"You know there is heaven and hell?" What evidence do you have of these claims? Do you understand my point? Even if these places are real, you have no way to prove this (except anecdotal evidences) and can't expect everyone to believe. If your God is real, he also understands this and knows the evidence that would make someone (like me) believe but withholds it.

"Finally I would rather live my life for God than live hoping with empty conviction that he doesn't exist."

This last statement is an example of the ideology many religious people have that actually ticks me off. That i can't live my life with any meaning or purpose because i don't believe in what they do. I try to live my life to the fullest everyday. I have good days and bad days. I have dreams and aspirations. I try to be empathetic and see things from different perspective. I respect my fellow man and bear no ill will to anyone. I do good because i want to not because heaven an hell are hanging around my neck.

Your name is Gideon... Kindly change it. Cos it means you were born to believe in God.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by BeLookingIDIOT(m): 7:26pm On Feb 09, 2020
TheExecutioner:

Someone who exists before time, space and matter does not need a creator.

You're very correct,Mr nothing existed before time,space and matter,hence doesn't need a creator
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by RandomGuy48: 7:49pm On Feb 09, 2020
Gideon97:
Near death Experiences are not a proof of the afterlife. Believe me NDEs (Near death Experiences) have been studied for decades and these experiences all vary from each other greatly. Plus science has recognized a phenomenon in the brain that makes people hallucinate during these situations. This video is a great summary on the scientific work that has gone into it
That video is also misleading and selective in what it presents. For example, it mentions a study about NDEs in which cards bearing numbers and images were placed in hospital rooms where patients couldn't see them from the bed, but could see them if they had an out of body experience. It then says that no one who had an out of body experience during the duration of the study saw the cards. What the video (conveniently) doesn't mention is that the handful of patients who reported the out of body experiences did so in rooms that didn't have the cards set up, so the fact they didn't see them means absolutely nothing.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Hermes019: 8:21pm On Feb 09, 2020
TheExecutioner:
I know it's hard for atheists to grasp the concept of divine wrath, but I at least expect you guys to be capable of some form basic intelligent reasoning.What you call genocide in the Bible is nothing more than God manifesting His Divine Wrath and punishing nations for their sins/crimes.

Genocide on the other hand means the killing of a group of people specifically because of their racial attributes or because they practice a particular religion.

As for what you call slavery in the Bible, it was more of indentured servitude. In indentured servitude, it is not the human being who is owned, rather it is his ability to work which belongs to his master and it was usually for the purpose of paying off debts.

As for talking snakes and talking donkeys, the Bible doesn't credit snakes or donkeys with a natural ability to talk, rather the talking snake in the book of Genesis is able to speak because it has been possessed by Satan, while the talking donkey received the ability to talk only for one specific purpose on one specific occasion (to warn his master of imminent death). There is nowhere in the Bible where it is ever stated that speaking is a natural ability which animals possess like human beings.

As for misogyny in the Bible, please provide me with specific passages from the Bible where God regards women as being inferior to men.


Divine wrath u say
Smh
Why would an omniscient being get angry at the first place
I wonder how u people reason
The way u people bend logic just to defend ur god amazes me
Oga since the slavery in the bible is good why is such form of slavery not being practiced today ?

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Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by itoese(m): 9:16pm On Feb 09, 2020
That CREATOR is God. He is self existent.
Re: God Doesn't Exist Because Anything That Exist Must Have A Creator by Dohgon(m): 10:42pm On Feb 09, 2020
There is a creator but it is not a god. All gods are man made according to the depths of our imagination. We created gods then gave them moral authority over us for the simple fact that we cannot trust or depend on one another to dictate fair judgement. This is why we say all gods are one but we still fight to be his best representative, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and so on. Utter nonsense.

Our creator is the Pure Dark Energy that is the universe. Its most definable characteristic is Waves, which can remain abstract or become condensed into solid matter. Yes, everything vibrates down to the smallest molecule. What is a Mind? Can you touch it? Our thoughts represent it and all existence is it. The Creator is a Mind that needs no host therefore it has no creator.

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