AntiChristian:
Paul's letter to the Corinthians! Is that one Injeel

My Belly o!

MuttleyLaff:
I already know that comprehension is a challenge for you, besides english language is your first tiongue, so I forgive you and excuse your inability to understand what "based upon the teaching of Injeel " means, lol

May be if you stand on feet, and not be crawling on your belly, your belly wont sore so much. Oops, I almost forgot, you're have no legs to stand on, lol

AntiChristian:
Sorry! No vex!

AntiChristian:
Is the injeel the gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?

CAPSLOCKED:


AMONG PENTECOSTALS EVEN, IT'S A WAR TO MARRY FROM OUTSIDE THEIR OWN CHURCHES.

I'VE NEVER SEEN A MORE CONFUSED, DELUDED AND DISORGANIZED GROUP LIKE CHRISTIANS. EVEN A FLOCK OF SHEEP IS MORE ORDERLY THAN THEM CUZ AT LEAST THEY USUALLY MOVE IN ONE DIRECTION.

MuttleyLaff:
Save the sorry and mo vex for yourself

Its the other way round

AntiChristian:
The Injeel was given to 'Eesa himself. Not written years after him by mostly people he knew not while alive.

Don't force yourself to be a liar for Christ.

MuttleyLaff:
What did Eesa Himself come to earth to announce, hmm? When Issa was on earth what was it called what He was preaching, hmm my Muslim brother

C'mon now, don't play the ignorance card here

AntiChristian:
Injeel for "Eesa!
Torah For Musa
Zabur for Dawud
Qur'an for Muhammad

And in their footsteps, We sent 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), confirming the Taurat (Torah) that had come before him, and We gave him the Injeel (Gospel), in which was guidance and light and confirmation of the Taurat (Torah) that had come before it, a guidance and an admonition for Al-Muttaqun (the pious - see V. 2:2).
Qur'an 5 vs 46

Bodydialect57:
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.Romans8:9.

So where does liberality stand in this? It's either you are a true believer in the Lord Jesus Christ or you are not. There is no sitting on the fence here paxonel. If a man has not the Spirit of Christ, he/ she is none of His.

MuttleyLaff:
Thank you very much my dear Muslim brother. Yep, Injeel is the Gospel, the Good News, lol.

Everything in the Torah is pointing to and was talking about Eesa, lol, the promised Saviour of the world

Maximus69:


There is nothing like "liberal Christians or Muslims"!

What most people don't know is that there are so many freethinkers claiming Christians/Muslims

Faith is the assured expectation of things you're hoping to get, the evident demonstration of realities even though others aren't grasping it! Hebrew 11:1

Faith is the high fence standing in between the believer and unbelievers, we can relate as
Neighbours
Colleagues
Course mates
Landlord and Tenant
Business associates or partners
But when talking of Marriage, it's totally a different thing!

Two separate individuals

why the Bible admonition emphatically says "ONLY IN THE LORD".

It's extremely impossible for a true Christian to tie the nut with someone having a totally different religious belief.

So whenever you find someone says he or she finds nothing wrong in such an unholy union, know today that they're freethinkers NOT Christians!

AntiChristian:


No I meant when your God is recrucified by his kinsmen!

AntiChristian:
Trying to change topic now?
Is Okay!

AntiChristian:
Injeel given to "Eesa is lost! Your Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John ain't it!

AntiChristian:
Your OT ain't Torah! Torah was revealed to Moses!
So when David was killing Uriah and sleeping with his wife was that also about Jesus? You said everything in bold up there!

paxonel:
we are still saying the same thing.
Let's assume Muslims do not have the spirit of Christ and they are non of Christ according to this scripture you quoted. Then, must you as a Christian fight God's battle?
That battle between Christ and Muslims is only meant for God to fight and not for you.

As a matter of fact, God will never side you for hating a Muslim because he doesn't believe in Christ. And if you choose to love them, God will be very happy for you because you are behaving like his child.
Therefore,your own is to show everyone love irrespective of who they are without any discrimination.

Bodydialect57:
]No paxonel, we aren't saying the same thing. We are talking about marriage here but you are bringing in love/ hate situation. The fact that a believer can't marry a Muslim does not culminate into hatred and the fact that a believer loves a Muslim or any unbeliever, agape love, does not mean marrying such.

The point l made earlier which l will reiterate is that since a believer does not share the same faith, does not possess the same Spirit with an unbeliever, the union of the two will be chaotic.

paxonel:


An English dictionary definition of the word Liberal
one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority; especially : one who doubts or denies religious dogma

An English definition of the word Dogma
a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative or doctrine without adequate grounds

I will say it is as a result of the inadequacies in most church doctrines and points of view which are dogma, that has resulted to liberalism in Christianity today.

So, there are liberal Christians and Muslims
it is a very good and welcomed development especially when the freethinkers point of view comes from good reasoning.
we don't run marriage by faith, we run marriage by understanding. So leave faith out of marriage.

Faith is faith, marriage is marriage.
Just like a scripture says what is flesh is flesh, and what is spirit is spirit.

If you mis-run your marriage, there is no amount of faith that can save it by the time it crumble.
But if you run your marriage well and both of are enjoying it, you can never give faith the credit for that but you give the credit to the understanding both of you have for each other.
please don't conclude that because the people involved may be of separate religion therefore they are totally separate individuals in all aspects as that kinda conclusion will always come from a very wrong premises
the bible did not admonish that it must be only in the lord. Before i come speaking i have read through the whole new testament pertaining to who a Christian should marry or not.
I don't know where you got that from
that is because you have never seen it work before.

I did my nysc in the north i know what i saw.
you haven't successfully established that a Christian cannot be a freethinker. Are you saying that for one to be a Christian he should not have brain to think on his own?

But on the contrary, everytime i read Jesus Christ in the bible confounding the scribes and Pharisees and their dogma, He always use parables which require thinking to understand.

MuttleyLaff:
We are still on topic

The Synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke along with John's are based on Injeel, the Gospel proclaimed, announced, preached and taught by Jesus (i.e. that's Isa to you, lol).

"Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”"
- Luke 24:44

"Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see My day. He saw it and was glad."
- John 8:56

Keep on deceiving yourself behaving as if you really don't know what the "everything" in that sentence means. That slippery serpent archetype belly-ache, lol, AntiChristian always again at it, misunderstanding scripture and making a dog's dinner out of it, lol

The law and prophecies were revealed to Moses and the prophets. Do you at all know the reason why Moses and Elijah appeared in form of a vision that the trio Peter, John and James together and at once witnessed on the Mount of Transfiguration, hmm? I very much doubt you do my dear Muslim brother friend else you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself with your public show of lack of basic bible knowledge

AntiChristian:
Based on Injeel means it is different from Injeel and derived from it. That means the Injeel is lost and not among the Bible books!

Anas09:

Oh, I thought allah said Jesus didn't die, but he deceived the Jews to think that they killed him?
Allah said he stole Jesus away and killed an innocent man who looks like Jesus instead. You are calling your prophet derogatory names. Allah will deny you of virgins o.

MuttleyLaff:
You're unbelievable. Injeel is alive, it is the same proclaimed, announced, preached and taught by Jesus (i.e. that's Isa to you, lol) 2000 years ago, that is now, mister AntiChristian olodo nla rapata upon twenty, smh.

paxonel:
ok, I agree with you that a believer not marrying a Muslim does not mean hate.
But again, if a Muslim with good intention request to marry a Christian and she refuse simply because they do not possess the same spirit, then that isn't a good reason for her to reject him. Therefore, there are some reservations that she is having against Muslims generally.
I understand that a good number of Muslims are not well mannered,the conservative ones among them can be annoying with serious fundamental issues towards people they consider unbelievers and so on, but I'm saying that not all Muslims are like that. So, it will be wrong for a Christian to generalise that because most Muslims behaves this way, then it is the different spirit they have that is controlling them to behave that way therefore i can't marry anything Muslim.

It will be wrong to generalise like that.

AntiChristian:


Our beliefs are different from your beliefs!

Your God killed his son on the cross as a curse for your salavtion! Death by hanging He said!

How sensible is this? Only a Dibia needs blood to perform rituals!

Maximus69:


I fully grasp your point of view on the issue but i want you to know that Christianity has NOTHING in common with liberalism.

Granted the Jews lived their lives in line with worthless dogmas of no benefit. But Jesus (Christ) the founder of Christianity made it clear in his speeches that he is not liberal! John 8:28

According to Jesus, he has no thought of his own when dealing with other creatures from his father, he doesn't even try having his own mind in crusial cases that has to do with his very own life! Luke 22:42

but when the first human couple (Adam and Eve) chose to have the minds of their own on issues

What type of children will faithless couples raise?

most times faithless couples assaults, curse, cheat and do so many other things to hurt each other but after a quicky they put all those things behind them and continue living together again. Children born/raised in such atmosphere will see all of these and it's certain that they may not survive such if they grow up to find

I'm talking about Jehovah's Witnesse!

Mikehot:
unless you want to be your own Lord and disregard the Bible then go ahead and marry a Muslim.

I believe Samson was told not to marry from a certain tribe same as Solomon etc even though in the knowledge of these person's they were comparable.

It didn't start today

AntiChristian:
Actually it is NOT OK! Let everyone marry someone from their religion!

As obtained from a Christian website https://christianity.net.au/questions/is_it_ok_for_a_christian_to_marry_a_muslim

My answer to that is going to be a "no,” but I hope you would read my explanation below. It would be helpful for us to look at the Bible’s definitions of what is a Christian and what is a Muslim.

A Christian is someone who is saved by the death and resurrection of Christ and who follows Jesus as Lord. We can see this in the book of Romans in the New Testament.

That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
Calling Jesus Lord means acknowledging him as the master of our lives. In the book of Matthew, verse 7:21, it says that

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matt 7:21

So you see a Christian will always try her hardest to obey God, even though she sometimes may fail, she will not willfully want to disobey God. If she deliberately ignores God’s commands, she will not enter the kingdom of heaven even if on the surface she says she is a Christian.

What is a Muslim? Although the Muslim and Christian faiths share a lot of their scriptures in common, their beliefs are fundamentally different at points where it counts. While a Muslim believes Jesus to be a prophet, they do not believe that he is God nor that he rose from the dead. This is why the Muslim belief and the Christian belief can never be compatible, because they believe the opposite things about the most crucial person in the Christian religion, Jesus. (see quote from Romans 10:9 above)

In the book of John it says about Jesus:
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. John 3:18

A Muslim is someone who stands condemned by God because he does not believe in Jesus.

The Bible makes it clear that if a woman has the freedom to choose her own husband, (which in those times only happens in the rare circumstances that the woman becomes widowed - otherwise marriages were always arranged), they must marry a Christian.

A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.1 Cor 7:39

This is God’s command, and it is also wise, because God tells us that the marriage relationship is one that should help us to grow in godliness, not hinder us. In fact, husbands are commanded to love their wives and help to make her holy. (See Ephesians 5:25-33).
How can a Muslim man do this for his wife if he does not even know Jesus?

If you are a Christian yourself, I encourage you to think more deeply about your relationship with God. Are you someone who follows Jesus, or do you just call him Lord without doing God’s will in your life? Are you sure that you will have eternal life when you die? If you want to think deeper about these questions, please have a look around this website that tells you more about Jesus, or maybe pick up the Bible and read about Jesus in the New Testament, and consider his claims as the master of our lives?

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But a Muslim male can marry a Chaste Christian woman in Islam. Though this is not advisable.
Read https://www.nairaland.com/4701199/why-muslim-males-need-not

paxonel:
that was the old testament. Show me something like that in the new testament where there is Christianity?

paxonel:
very true!
But a Christian who want to be liberal has power to be so at the same he remains a Christian.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

there is nothing in this statement that shows that Jesus is conservative.
Doing what his father has thought him does not mean being conservative.
you are not getting the definition of the word Liberal as it applies. That's why i brought out the definition from a dictionary for you to see.
Take note of the word dogma in that definition.
Are you saying what God thought Jesus to do is a dogma and Jesus has to do the instructions not minding the instructions are dogma?

I told you, being liberal implies the individual ignoring the aspects of the doctrine that are dogma and uphold those doctrines that adequate. Infact, that's what makes a person a good Christian.

Not that everything you hear pastors teaching ,bad or good, you unhold them simply because simply because a pastor you admire so much is preaching the doctrine.
And a pastor who preaches to you that it is wrong to marry a Muslim as a Christian, that pastor is preaching a dogma and as a liberal christian you have to scrutinize that kinda faulty doctrine and stand by the truth.
Adam and eve were primitive people, they had primitive minds that's why they could not obey simple instruction from God.
But you are more educated today than Adam and eve and moreover, there is no such instruction from God that a Christian should not marry a Muslim.
If your heart goes to a Muslim and you are in love enough to marry her and you do, that will never affect your relationship with God neither will it affect her relationship with the Islam and Muhammad she believes so long both of you respect your different beliefs.
See, religion is just absolutely nothing.
Religion is one major problem that is causing division among people.
We have the power to control the tenets of religion towards having a better life not that religion will be controlling us.
I don't get it, what do you mean by faithless couples?
One of them having faith(a Christian) and the other does not have faith in Christ(a Muslim), is that what you mean by faithless couple?

If the couples themselves have personal moral values(remember the assumption is that both parents are good people) then they should pass their morals to their children and a good parent should not impose any of the religions to any of their children. Let them choose for themselves which of the religions they want.
there are Christian couples who do all these too.
Infact, I have a lot of them in church who abandoned their children to become wayward

Personally, i don't recommend a Christian to marry a Muslim because of all these matrimonial vices and problems, but all I'm saying is if both the Christian and Muslim understand each other enough to marry and avoid these problems, then their religion diffences does not have any ground against their union.
those ones they are not people now, who in his right senses will marry a Jehovah witness?

Mikehot:
is 2corinthas 6vs 14 old testament?

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers, and it's been pointed out to you here an unbeliever is the one who denounces the death and resurrection of Christ of such spirit is also of the Antichrist.

My reference to old testament was that specifically on marriage there has been ordinances where God himself directed his people on where to marry from.

You probably looking at it from new testament after Christ new beginning but fail to realize that even though Christ died for everyone, the purpose and actualization of his death only exist for those who believe he died and resurrected for them.

So why we have no problem with an unbeliever, we must remember they still denounce the evidence of Christ (of such spirit is of the Antichrist) and you can't be the temple of Christ while been spiritually yoked by marriage with an Antichrist (remember the bond between a husband and wife has deep spiritual bind)

paxonel:
the scripture says do not be equally yoked together with unbelievers, it did not say do not marry unbelievers.

We have already established that to be equally yoked together in the context of that scripture does not mean marrying unbelievers, rather it means to believe what unbelievers believe that is against the believe of Christ.

paxonel:
the scripture says do not be equally yoked together with unbelievers, it did not say do not marry unbelievers.

We have already established that to be equally yoked together in the context of that scripture does not mean marrying unbelievers, rather it means to believe what unbelievers believe that is against the believe of Christ.

Mikehot:
Christianity is clear on it's limit concerning marriage to not be unequally yoked with an unbeliever who renounces the finished work of Christ.

Does that spells hatred for the unbeliever no, show love to all.

This is just a cheap blackmail to shift goal post, what we all own ourselves as humans is love, respect for human life/opinions and peace.

Question is to a large extent are Christian's doing this yes, (everyone can feel save, loved, and unhindered in a Christian space).

Can same be said of those who forcefully convert people to Islam at gun point (shekaharu etc) who hinders opinions of others through hisbah, jihad and other appendages even in secular countries.

Who kill others per second slitting throats and detonating themselves to end other lives.

These are the real questions not the hypocritical marriage to a Muslim only to go get suppressed and later converted

Mikehot:
Either you a Muslim or trying to be religiously correct.

The Bible and the English word is clearly explicit on what yoke meant not in your perceived concept