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IS MAN RATIONAL?

The evolutionary biologist, argues that mans moral reasoning is only as a result of in built mind mechanisms and social adaptations meant to further the survival and reproduction of the human species, i.e our reasoning in the end is NOT to arrive at any objective truth.


Although most atheists on this forum will agree to this thinking, and have even recently alluded to it in one of my recent topics on the nature of morality (cc Hahn, LordReed, budaatum, JeromeBlack, etc), it is ultimately flawed, and completely so.

The only way to explain rationality in the universe is if a rational God put it in.

Only way? When you can't even show the existence of this god? What a joke.

The Irony is that these naturalists and evolutionary biologists exclude themselves from blind moral reasoning and in-built survival thinking when arriving at what they consider to be the "truth" that man isn’t rational. Unfortunate.

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Joshthefirst:
The Irony is that these naturalists and evolutionary biologists exclude themselves from blind moral reasoning and in-built survival thinking when arriving at what they consider to be the truth. That man isn’t rational. Unfortunate.

What is the meaning of this word salad? Did you just make shit up because it sounds educated?

Joshthefirst:
IS MAN RATIONAL?

The evolutionary biologist, argues that mans moral reasoning is only as a result of in built mind mechanisms and social adaptations meant to further the survival and reproduction of the human species, i.e our reasoning in the end is NOT to arrive at any objective truth.


Although most atheists on this forum will agree to this thinking, and have even recently alluded to it in one of my recent topics on the nature of morality (cc Hahn, LordReed, budaatum, JeromeBlack, etc), it is ultimately flawed, and completely so.

The only way to explain rationality in the universe is if a rational God put it in.

Because?

Continue with your argument abi na there e finish?

hahn:
Because?

Continue with your argument abi na there e finish?

I bin Dey wait for you to come nau.

And it’s because the naturalist somehow excludes his reasoning when he makes the conclusion on rationality.
That is, human beings and human moral reasoning are not really rational, except when I’m making this conclusion on the nature of human reasoning.


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LordReed:
What is the meaning of this word salad? Did you just make shit up because it sounds educated?

Maybe you simply didn’t understand what I said?

Joshthefirst:
Maybe you simply didn’t understand what I said?

That much is clear.

Joshthefirst:
I bin Dey wait for you to come nau.

And it’s because the natural somehow excludes his reasoning when he makes the conclusion on rationality.
That is, human beings and human moral reasoning are not really rational, except when I’m making this conclusion on the nature of human reasoning.

So what are they if not rational?

hahn:
So what are they if not rational?

My point is that you cannot conclude that human reasoning is not rational but geared towards survival and reproduction, and exclude the very reasoning that had you arrive at that very conclusion.

LordReed:
What is the meaning of this word salad? Did you just make shit up because it sounds educated?

I was going to ask the same thing, my Lord! It sounded irrational to me.

Joshthefirst, could you post a definition of "Rational" please, so we know you know what you talk about.

Joshthefirst:
My point is that you cannot conclude that human reasoning is not rational but geared towards survival and reproduction, and exclude the very reasoning that had you arrive at that very conclusion.

And what reason is that?

And where did you get that argument from?

Joshthefirst:
Maybe you simply didn’t understand what I said?

Apaet from your claim that God makes humans rational, no, I don't understand what you are saying.

God gives humans arms and legs, I can understand, since just about all humans have arms and legs, but that God gives humans rational, I can't accept for the simple fact that not all humans are rational.

You make me want to ask, what criteria do you think God uses in distributing rationalism to the humans God gives it to, in your opinion?

Intelligence cannot come from non Intelligence, life cannot come from non life. This is the delima of naturalists.
The order and design of the universe plus the existence of life shows there is a living immaterial, spaceless and timeless personal being called God.

Steep:
Intelligence cannot come from non Intelligence, life cannot come from non life. This is the delima of naturalists.
The order and design of the universe plus the existence of life shows there is a living immaterial, spaceless and timeless personal being called God.

If intelligence cannot come from non intelligence and life cannot come from non life whence comes your god? (sp)

Lucifyre:
If intelligence cannot come from non intelligence and life cannot come from non life whence comes your god? (sp)

Departure from post/Off Point.

God has already Come and preset all these things that we are talking about. So it is either you can address it or basically you cannot which is why you decided to go outside the point/post.

Steep:
Intelligence cannot come from non Intelligence, life cannot come from non life. This is the delima of naturalists.
The order and design of the universe plus the existence of life shows there is a living immaterial, spaceless and timeless personal being called God.

I don't think naturalist are confused about these things for they understand that natural things are all under natural law and Laws are only made by Persons

Lucifyre:
If intelligence cannot come from non intelligence and life cannot come from non life whence comes your god? (sp)

your question does not make sense, God is timeless and hence doesn't have a beginning.

Steep:
your question does not make sense, God is timeless and hence doesn't have a beginning.

Neither does your contradictory nd baseless assertion which is why you have to resort to special pleading.

Lucifyre:
Neither does your contradictory nd baseless assertion which is why you have to resort to special pleading.

Why are you talking nonsense?

How is his post contradictory or baseless?

Give me one single example of life coming from non life. Just one.

Joshthefirst:
Why are you talking nonsense?

How is his post contradictory or baseless?

Give me one single example of life coming from non life. Just one.

Quite obvious you're the one talking nonsense. Only you opened your mouth to say life can't come from non life then turned around to claim your god just poofed into existence out of thin air like a magic trick, then also poofed life from non life out of thin air, again like a magic trick. If that's not the poster boy for baseless and contradictory, i don't know what is. Got any evidence for your assertions?! Bjg fat no, ergo baseless.

Joshthefirst:
Why are you talking nonsense?

How is his post contradictory or baseless?

Give me one single example of life coming from non life. Just one.

God. Unless you want to claim God is not alive.

It does contradict the nothing comes from nothing mantra, mind.

budaatum:
God. Unless you want to claim God is not alive.

It does contradict the nothing comes from nothing mantra, mind.

Every sane person knows that we are all talking from the limits of our world and God dwells in worlds outside our view, so you are truly talking nonsense.

Lucifyre:
Quite obvious you're the one talking nonsense. Only you opened your mouth to say life can't come from non life then turned around to claim your god just poofed into existence out of thin air like a magic trick, then also poofed life from non life out of thin air, again like a magic trick. If that's not the poster boy for baseless and contradictory, i don't know what is. Got any evidence for your assertions?! Bjg fat no, ergo baseless.

No one said God poofed into existence.
How can you create your own adversary and be arguing against it?

budaatum:
God. Unless you want to claim God is not alive.

It does contradict the nothing comes from nothing mantra, mind.

God is not an example nah. Chai. Nawa oh.

Eternal and infinite life is an attribute of God.

Joshthefirst:

God is not an example nah. Chai. Nawa oh.

Eternal and infinite life is an attribute of God.

How do you know this? And why is God not an example?

Why is "Eternal and infinite life" an attribute of God?

In fact, do you understand that infinite means immeasurably or inconceivably great or extensive, and that because you are incapable of measuring a thing does not mean it is eternal?

Dtruthspeaker:
Every sane person knows that we are all talking from the limits of our world and God dwell in worlds outside our view, so you are truly talking nonsense.

So, you are talking about things outside your view and beyond your limit and want us to just play along with you?

Have you considered increasing your view and looking outside perhaps, instead of asking me to stoop to your limit?

Dtruthspeaker:
Every sane person knows that we are all talking from the limits of our world and God dwell in worlds outside our view, so you are truly talking nonsense.

So how do you know about things that don't exist in our world? Sounds like you're describing an imaginary friend

budaatum:
How do you know this? And why is God not an example?

Why is "Eternal and infinite life" an attribute of God?

In fact, do you understand that infinite means immeasurably or inconceivably great or extensive, and that because you are incapable of measuring a thing does not mean it is eternal?

The current cosmological science backed up by evidence shows that the universe ( space-time-material) has a beginning. It therefore mean that whatever brought the universe into being is outside the universe (space-time-material). Therefore that being is spaceless timesless and immaterial.
Many atheists scientists in trying to fix their poopoo try to conjure infinite unverses which ended up not helping them at all but infact pushed their dilemma further.
All evidence points that there is a being that is immaterial and outside of the universe that created them.
Now the stupid question atheists usually ask is "who created God or where did God come from?"
God cannot be created because he is timeless, God cannot come from anywhere because he is spaceless or else he will not be God.

An atheists believe the universe is infinite without any shred of evidence and are willing to go against all evidence for their foolishness.
How do explain somebody saying who created God?
Another hammer or atheism is the existence of life. According to science life must come from life and non life cannot produce life. Which means all life came from an eternal persistent life and this life is timeless and immaterial.

Intelligence is another dilemma of atheism, untelligence cannot create intelligence only intelligence can create intelligence. However, intelligence is a property of mind and mind is a property of personhood.
Therefore it logical to conclude that a spaceless. Immaterial, timeless and personal being exist who created all things, this is God in basic definition.

Steep:
The current cosmological science backed up by evidence shows that the universe ( space-time-material) has a beginning. It therefore mean that whatever brought the universe into being is outside the universe (space-time-material).

I have always maintained that something has to exist to go bang.

Steep:
Therefore that being is spaceless times and immaterial.

Read the italics below, and tell me if it is not trying to say the same as what you said above.

The Big Bang theory, while explaining the expansion and evolution of the universe we know, doesn't offer an explanation for what existed before the initial singularity. This singularity is a point of infinite density and temperature from which the universe is thought to have emerged.

Steep:
Many atheists scientists in trying to fix their poopoo try to conjure infinite unverses which ended up not helping them at all but infact pushed their dilemma further.

Funny. The technology learnt along their search (and by the way, they are not all atheists as more scientists since the beginning of time have been religious than not), has increase human life span alone, and that's apart from empowering you to converse with me over a long distance. Or would you rather we remain ignorant and without satellites?

Steep:
All evidence points that there is a being that is immaterial and outside of the universe that created them.

I am trying to convince myself that you are capable of accessing "all evidence", and I feel very certain you will not disappoint me.

Steep:
Now the stupid question atheists usually ask is "who created God or where did God come from?"

Imagine! You would think they read somewhere that they should ask and knock and seek with all their hearts and souls and minds and beings and they will know.

Steep:
God cannot be created because he is timeless, God cannot come from anywhere because he is spaceless or else he will not be God.

And yet it is possible to date when humans created their Gods, and God didn't exist everywhere, least not in my great grandfather's time until it was brought to where he was in a book. And there were Gods before God. And God isn't even the oldest God since some Gods have existed before God, though many have since died I admit.

But seriously. Teach me master.