Islamic Hadiths Have "Holes in the Narratives "
Who Were Islamic Traditional Writers?
Islamic traditions say everything happened in Mecca and Medina.
Yet, all of the writers of the traditions worked in Baghdad, which is 1,800 kilometres far north of these two places.

Ibn Hisham who wrote the sira is from Basra but grew up in Cairo.
Cairo to Mecca is 1,600km.
Basra to Mecca is 1,800km.

Al Bukhari who wrote hadith is from Bukhara.
Bukhara to Mecca is 4,200km.

Al Tabari who wrote Tafsir is from Tabaristan.
Tabaristan to Mecca is 2,800km.

None of the traditional writers LIVED or WORKED in Mecca or Medina.
Why is there no writer from the Hijaz?

Empiree, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, Lukgaf, Realismailakabir, motayoayinde,

sagenaija:
Islamic Hadiths Have "Holes in the Narratives "
Who Were Islamic Traditional Writers?
Islamic traditions say everything happened in Mecca and Medina.
Yet, all of the writers of the traditions worked in Baghdad, which is 1,800 kilometres far north of these two places.

Ibn Hisham who wrote the sira is from Basra but grew up in Cairo.
Cairo to Mecca is 1,600km.
Basra to Mecca is 1,800km.

Al Bukhari who wrote hadith is from Bukhara.
Bukhara to Mecca is 4,200km.

Al Tabari who wrote Tafsir is from Tabaristan.
Tabaristan to Mecca is 2,800km.

None of the traditional writers LIVED or WORKED in Mecca or Medina.
Why is there no writer from the Hijaz?

Empiree, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, Lukgaf, Realismailakabir, motayoayinde,

The Quran itself does not just contain holes but is a basket that can't hold any truth .

The first Quran was burnt to hide the lies .

enilove:


The Quran itself does not just contain holes but is a basket that can't hold any truth .

The first Quran was burnt to hide the lies .

Why all these lies without proof?

The biography on Mohammed was created 600 years after his own death after heavily edited.

sagenaija:
Islamic Hadiths Have "Holes in the Narratives "
Who Were Islamic Traditional Writers?
Islamic traditions say everything happened in Mecca and Medina.
Yet, all of the writers of the traditions worked in Baghdad, which is 1,800 kilometres far north of these two places.

Ibn Hisham who wrote the sira is from Basra but grew up in Cairo.
Cairo to Mecca is 1,600km.
Basra to Mecca is 1,800km.

Al Bukhari who wrote hadith is from Bukhara.
Bukhara to Mecca is 4,200km.

Al Tabari who wrote Tafsir is from Tabaristan.
Tabaristan to Mecca is 2,800km.

None of the traditional writers LIVED or WORKED in Mecca or Medina.
Why is there no writer from the Hijaz?

Empiree, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, Lukgaf, Realismailakabir, motayoayinde,

I don't know why you included me in this your illogical narrative. Was there anytime writers are limited by where they come from or grew-up?
And mind you Islam went pass just only Mecca & Medina as you said.

Rashduct4luv:


Why all these lies without proof?

Proof :

Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ شِهَابٍ، أَنَّ أَنَسَ بْنَ مَالِكٍ، حَدَّثَهُ أَنَّ حُذَيْفَةَ بْنَ الْيَمَانِ قَدِمَ عَلَى عُثْمَانَ وَكَانَ يُغَازِي أَهْلَ الشَّأْمِ فِي فَتْحِ إِرْمِينِيَةَ وَأَذْرَبِيجَانَ مَعَ أَهْلِ الْعِرَاقِ فَأَفْزَعَ حُذَيْفَةَ اخْتِلاَفُهُمْ فِي الْقِرَاءَةِ فَقَالَ حُذَيْفَةُ لِعُثْمَانَ يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَدْرِكْ هَذِهِ الأُمَّةَ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْتَلِفُوا فِي الْكِتَابِ اخْتِلاَفَ الْيَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارَى فَأَرْسَلَ عُثْمَانُ إِلَى حَفْصَةَ أَنْ أَرْسِلِي إِلَيْنَا بِالصُّحُفِ نَنْسَخُهَا فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ ثُمَّ نَرُدُّهَا إِلَيْكِ فَأَرْسَلَتْ بِهَا حَفْصَةُ إِلَى عُثْمَانَ فَأَمَرَ زَيْدَ بْنَ ثَابِتٍ وَعَبْدَ اللَّهِ بْنَ الزُّبَيْرِ وَسَعِيدَ بْنَ الْعَاصِ وَعَبْدَ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنَ الْحَارِثِ بْنِ هِشَامٍ فَنَسَخُوهَا فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ وَقَالَ عُثْمَانُ لِلرَّهْطِ الْقُرَشِيِّينَ الثَّلاَثَةِ إِذَا اخْتَلَفْتُمْ أَنْتُمْ وَزَيْدُ بْنُ ثَابِتٍ فِي شَىْءٍ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ فَاكْتُبُوهُ بِلِسَانِ قُرَيْشٍ فَإِنَّمَا نَزَلَ بِلِسَانِهِمْ فَفَعَلُوا حَتَّى إِذَا نَسَخُوا الصُّحُفَ فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ رَدَّ عُثْمَانُ الصُّحُفَ إِلَى حَفْصَةَ وَأَرْسَلَ إِلَى كُلِّ أُفُقٍ بِمُصْحَفٍ مِمَّا نَسَخُوا وَأَمَرَ بِمَا سِوَاهُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ فِي كُلِّ صَحِيفَةٍ أَوْ مُصْحَفٍ أَنْ يُحْرَقَ‏.‏

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4987
In-book : Book 66, Hadith 9
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 510  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

ALL QURANIC MATERIALS WERE BURNT TO HIDE THE LIES.

Next time ask for proof b4 any accusation .
.

Rashduct4luv:


I don't know why you included me in this your illogical narrative. Was there anytime writers are limited by where they come from or grew-up?
And mind you Islam went pass just only Mecca & Medina as you said.

How come no Islamic literature originated anywhere around where Islam started?
How come it took men from other far away places to write about events they were not eye witnesses of?

enilove:


Proof :

Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا مُوسَى، حَدَّثَنَا إِبْرَاهِيمُ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ شِهَابٍ، أَنَّ أَنَسَ بْنَ مَالِكٍ، حَدَّثَهُ أَنَّ حُذَيْفَةَ بْنَ الْيَمَانِ قَدِمَ عَلَى عُثْمَانَ وَكَانَ يُغَازِي أَهْلَ الشَّأْمِ فِي فَتْحِ إِرْمِينِيَةَ وَأَذْرَبِيجَانَ مَعَ أَهْلِ الْعِرَاقِ فَأَفْزَعَ حُذَيْفَةَ اخْتِلاَفُهُمْ فِي الْقِرَاءَةِ فَقَالَ حُذَيْفَةُ لِعُثْمَانَ يَا أَمِيرَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ أَدْرِكْ هَذِهِ الأُمَّةَ قَبْلَ أَنْ يَخْتَلِفُوا فِي الْكِتَابِ اخْتِلاَفَ الْيَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارَى فَأَرْسَلَ عُثْمَانُ إِلَى حَفْصَةَ أَنْ أَرْسِلِي إِلَيْنَا بِالصُّحُفِ نَنْسَخُهَا فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ ثُمَّ نَرُدُّهَا إِلَيْكِ فَأَرْسَلَتْ بِهَا حَفْصَةُ إِلَى عُثْمَانَ فَأَمَرَ زَيْدَ بْنَ ثَابِتٍ وَعَبْدَ اللَّهِ بْنَ الزُّبَيْرِ وَسَعِيدَ بْنَ الْعَاصِ وَعَبْدَ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنَ الْحَارِثِ بْنِ هِشَامٍ فَنَسَخُوهَا فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ وَقَالَ عُثْمَانُ لِلرَّهْطِ الْقُرَشِيِّينَ الثَّلاَثَةِ إِذَا اخْتَلَفْتُمْ أَنْتُمْ وَزَيْدُ بْنُ ثَابِتٍ فِي شَىْءٍ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ فَاكْتُبُوهُ بِلِسَانِ قُرَيْشٍ فَإِنَّمَا نَزَلَ بِلِسَانِهِمْ فَفَعَلُوا حَتَّى إِذَا نَسَخُوا الصُّحُفَ فِي الْمَصَاحِفِ رَدَّ عُثْمَانُ الصُّحُفَ إِلَى حَفْصَةَ وَأَرْسَلَ إِلَى كُلِّ أُفُقٍ بِمُصْحَفٍ مِمَّا نَسَخُوا وَأَمَرَ بِمَا سِوَاهُ مِنَ الْقُرْآنِ فِي كُلِّ صَحِيفَةٍ أَوْ مُصْحَفٍ أَنْ يُحْرَقَ‏.‏

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4987
In-book : Book 66, Hadith 9
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 6, Book 61, Hadith 510  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

ALL QURANIC MATERIALS WERE BURNT TO HIDE THE LIES.

Next time ask for proof b4 any accusation .
.

Moslems were the first to burn the Koran yet they end up murdering others today even for tearing it.
That's part of the hypocrisy of Moslems.

These products of rape by bandits have started again

I'm not here to argue

Anyways, see your brother.....ire oooo

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5550101365014914&id=135140476511057

Empiree:
These products of rape by bandits have started again

I'm not here to argue

Anyways, see your brother.....ire oooo

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5550101365014914&id=135140476511057

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinions . Fools also are entitled to their opinions.

The bible is our guide and not opinions of fools .

And how does that seal the holes in the Quran and the hadith's ?

Was that the reason the Muslims had to burn the book of their god ?

enilove:


Everyone is entitled to his or her opinions . Fools also are entitled to their opinions.

The bible is our guide and not opinions of fools .

And how does that seal the holes in the Quran and the hadith's ?

Was that the reason the Muslims had to burn the book of their god ?

Empiree:
These products of rape by bandits have started again

I'm not here to argue

Anyways, see your brother.....ire oooo

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=5550101365014914&id=135140476511057

Is this the best you can do?

"And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil."
John 3:19

sagenaija:
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Is this the best you can do?

"And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil."
John 3:19

Tell this to your pastors Oyedepo, Adeboye, kunmuyi, bakare, chrises, TB, Rino Omokri, Dino malaye, Abiara and host of all lazy so called "men of God and prophets"

Ire ooooo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opx43EckTrw

Rashduct4luv:


Why all these lies without proof?

You want proof , they abound in your hadith's , just read them and see for yourself :

Example :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ نَصْرٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، عَنْ مَعْمَرٍ، عَنْ هَمَّامِ بْنِ مُنَبِّهٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏

‏ كَانَتْ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ يَغْتَسِلُونَ عُرَاةً، يَنْظُرُ بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَى بَعْضٍ، وَكَانَ مُوسَى يَغْتَسِلُ وَحْدَهُ، فَقَالُوا وَاللَّهِ مَا يَمْنَعُ مُوسَى أَنْ يَغْتَسِلَ مَعَنَا إِلاَّ أَنَّهُ آدَرُ، فَذَهَبَ مَرَّةً يَغْتَسِلُ، فَوَضَعَ ثَوْبَهُ عَلَى حَجَرٍ، فَفَرَّ الْحَجَرُ بِثَوْبِهِ، فَخَرَجَ مُوسَى فِي إِثْرِهِ يَقُولُ ثَوْبِي يَا حَجَرُ‏.‏ حَتَّى نَظَرَتْ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ إِلَى مُوسَى، فَقَالُوا وَاللَّهِ مَا بِمُوسَى مِنْ بَأْسٍ‏.‏ وَأَخَذَ ثَوْبَهُ، فَطَفِقَ بِالْحَجَرِ ضَرْبًا ‏"

‏‏‏ فَقَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ وَاللَّهِ إِنَّهُ لَنَدَبٌ بِالْحَجَرِ سِتَّةٌ أَوْ سَبْعَةٌ ضَرْبًا بِالْحَجَرِ‏‏

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet (ﷺ) Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."

Sahih al-Bukhari 278
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 30
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 277  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

THIS IS THE KIND OF NONSENSE HE GOT AS REVELATIONS AND YOU MUSLIMS BELIEVE SUCH A MAN .

Empiree:
https://youtu.

She talking about how rational it is.
But many issues in Islam defy rational thought and I wonder what she has done to resolve them.
Is Allah a spirit?
How come physical attributes are assigned to him?
Does he descend to the lower regions of the atmosphere to hear prayers? When he does is he still in his heaven?

When Moslems do not apply the yardstick they use for others to their own religion, they only show themselves as being hypocrites.

sagenaija:

She talking about how rational it is.
But many issues in Islam defy rational thought and I wonder what she has done to resolve them.
Is Allah a spirit?
How come physical attributes are assigned to him?
Does he descend to the lower regions of the atmosphere to hear prayers? When he does is he still I his heaven?

When Moslems do not apply the yardstick they use for others to their own relithey only show themselves as being hypocrites.

Their prophet is demon possesed


Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرِ بْنُ أَبِي شَيْبَةَ، حَدَّثَنَا شَرِيكٌ، عَنِ الْعَبَّاسِ بْنِ ذَرِيحٍ، عَنِ الْبَهِيِّ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ عَثَرَ أُسَامَةُ بِعَتَبَةِ الْبَابِ فَشُجَّ فِي وَجْهِهِ فَقَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏‏ أَمِيطِي عَنْهُ الأَذَى ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَتَقَذَّرْتُهُ فَجَعَلَ يَمَصُّ عَنْهُ الدَّمَ وَيَمُجُّهُ عَنْ وَجْهِهِ ثُمَّ قَالَ ‏"‏ لَوْ كَانَ أُسَامَةُ جَارِيَةً لَحَلَّيْتُهُ وَكَسَوْتُهُ حَتَّى أُنَفِّقَهُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏"

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"Usamah stumbled at the threshold of the door and cut his face. The Messenger of Allah said: 'Remove the harm (the blood) from him,' but I was repulsed by that. He started to suck the blood and remove it from his face, then he said: 'If Usamah were a girl, I would have adorned him and dressed him until I married him off."'

Da'if (Darussalam)

English : Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1976
Arabic : Book 9, Hadith 2052
Sunan Ibn Majah

Also, not one single hadith writer was from Arabia.
Bukhari - Uzbekistan
Muslim - Iran
Maja - iran
Tirmidhy - Uzbekistan
Nasa'y - Turkmenistan

They are all from anywhere else but Arabia.

Empiree, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, Lukgaf, Realismailakabir, motayoayinde

sagenaija:
Also, not one single hadith writer was from Arabia.
Bukhari - Uzbekistan
Muslim - Iran
Maja - iran
Tirmidhy - Uzbekistan
Nasa'y - Turkmenistan

They are all from anywhere else but Arabia.

Empiree, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, Lukgaf, Realismailakabir, motayoayinde

That can't be , pls do more research , the Arabs wrote some hadiths but they were too factual or non fictional they were mostly categorized as ''weak'' or rejected .

But the ones that tried to hide the truths and portrayed Muhammad as a sane prophet are accepted as ''Sahih'' , very good or good .

I think that was the problem . And maybe they burnt the true hadiths as well . You know , there us nothing liars cannot do to . Like telling you that goat ate the Quran :


Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو سَلَمَةَ، يَحْيَى بْنُ خَلَفٍ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الأَعْلَى، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ إِسْحَاقَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ أَبِي بَكْرٍ، عَنْ عَمْرَةَ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، ‏.‏ وَعَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الْقَاسِمِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ لَقَدْ نَزَلَتْ آيَةُ الرَّجْمِ وَرَضَاعَةُ الْكَبِيرِ عَشْرًا وَلَقَدْ كَانَ فِي صَحِيفَةٍ تَحْتَ سَرِيرِي فَلَمَّا مَاتَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ وَتَشَاغَلْنَا بِمَوْتِهِ دَخَلَ دَاجِنٌ فَأَكَلَهَا ‏.‏

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed
[1], and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it."


[1]: <i>These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.</i>

Hasan (Darussalam)

English : Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1944
Arabic : Book 9, Hadith 2020
Sunan Ibn Majah


Allah knew adult breast feeding is a shameful act that would reveal that he is not God , he therefore sent a goat to eat his Quran .


Op , the Muslims are also getting worried about the divinity of their religion and it would be point less to defend lies . This , I think , is as results of the good works of enlightenment such a this that brought about that .

We won't bow to the devil .

enilove:


That can't be , pls do more research , the Arabs wrote some hadiths but they were too factual or non fictional they were mostly categorized as ''weak'' or rejected .

But the ones that tried to hide the truths and portrayed Muhammad as a sane prophet are accepted as ''Sahih'' , very good or good .

I think that was the problem . And maybe they burnt the true hadiths as well . You know , there us nothing liars cannot do to . Like telling you that goat ate the Quran :

Hadith

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو سَلَمَةَ، يَحْيَى بْنُ خَلَفٍ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الأَعْلَى، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ إِسْحَاقَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ أَبِي بَكْرٍ، عَنْ عَمْرَةَ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، ‏.‏ وَعَنْ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ بْنِ الْقَاسِمِ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ لَقَدْ نَزَلَتْ آيَةُ الرَّجْمِ وَرَضَاعَةُ الْكَبِيرِ عَشْرًا وَلَقَدْ كَانَ فِي صَحِيفَةٍ تَحْتَ سَرِيرِي فَلَمَّا مَاتَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ وَتَشَاغَلْنَا بِمَوْتِهِ دَخَلَ دَاجِنٌ فَأَكَلَهَا ‏.‏

It was narrated that 'Aishah said:

"The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed
[1], and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it."

[1]: <i>These verses were abrogated in recitation but not ruling. Other ahadith establish the number for fosterage to be 5.</i>

Hasan (Darussalam)

English : Vol. 3, Book 9, Hadith 1944
Arabic : Book 9, Hadith 2020
Sunan Ibn Majah

Allah knew adult breast feeding is a shameful act that would reveal that he is not God , he therefore sent a goat to eat his Quran .

Op , the Muslims are also getting worried about the divinity of their religion and it would be point less to defend lies . This , I think , is as results of the good works of enlightenment such a this that brought about that .

We won't bow to the devil .

Thanks.
I'm sure they are 'researching' to see if they can come up with their usual so called 'refutation'.

enilove:


You want proof , they abound in your hadith's , just read them and see for yourself :

Example :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا إِسْحَاقُ بْنُ نَصْرٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، عَنْ مَعْمَرٍ، عَنْ هَمَّامِ بْنِ مُنَبِّهٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، عَنِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏

‏ كَانَتْ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ يَغْتَسِلُونَ عُرَاةً، يَنْظُرُ بَعْضُهُمْ إِلَى بَعْضٍ، وَكَانَ مُوسَى يَغْتَسِلُ وَحْدَهُ، فَقَالُوا وَاللَّهِ مَا يَمْنَعُ مُوسَى أَنْ يَغْتَسِلَ مَعَنَا إِلاَّ أَنَّهُ آدَرُ، فَذَهَبَ مَرَّةً يَغْتَسِلُ، فَوَضَعَ ثَوْبَهُ عَلَى حَجَرٍ، فَفَرَّ الْحَجَرُ بِثَوْبِهِ، فَخَرَجَ مُوسَى فِي إِثْرِهِ يَقُولُ ثَوْبِي يَا حَجَرُ‏.‏ حَتَّى نَظَرَتْ بَنُو إِسْرَائِيلَ إِلَى مُوسَى، فَقَالُوا وَاللَّهِ مَا بِمُوسَى مِنْ بَأْسٍ‏.‏ وَأَخَذَ ثَوْبَهُ، فَطَفِقَ بِالْحَجَرِ ضَرْبًا ‏"

‏‏‏ فَقَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ وَاللَّهِ إِنَّهُ لَنَدَبٌ بِالْحَجَرِ سِتَّةٌ أَوْ سَبْعَةٌ ضَرْبًا بِالْحَجَرِ‏‏

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet (ﷺ) Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."

Sahih al-Bukhari 278
In-book : Book 5, Hadith 30
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 277  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

THIS IS THE KIND OF NONSENSE HE GOT AS REVELATIONS AND YOU MUSLIMS BELIEVE SUCH A MAN .

Where's the hole in this? And how is this a nonsense?

This hadith is more authentic than Jesus changing water to booze!

If your God can bless a wedding with booze and you didn't call that "nonsense" but this is nonsense to you?

sagenaija:
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How come no Islamic literature originated anywhere around where Islam started?
How come it took men from other far away places to write about events they were not eye witnesses of?

Is this the criteria to write Islamic literature of reputable standards?

Islam was not only limited to Mecca and Madina.

I would wonder if the Bible books were entirely written by israelites.

Rashduct4luv:


Where's the hole in this? And how is this a nonsense?

This hadith is more authentic than Jesus changing water to booze!

If your God can bless a wedding with booze and you didn't call that "nonsense" but this is nonsense to you?

Muslims are hypocrites .

Wine is forbidden for you on earth but not forbidden in your Paradise ?

Allah SWT said:

مَّثَلُ الْجَنَّةِ الَّتِى وُعِدَ الْمُتَّقُونَ ۖ فِيهَآ أَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ مَّآءٍ غَيْرِ ءَاسِنٍ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ لَّبَنٍ لَّمْ يَتَغَيَّرْ طَعْمُهُۥ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ خَمْرٍ لَّذَّةٍ لِّلشّٰرِبِينَ وَأَنْهٰرٌ مِّنْ عَسَلٍ مُّصَفًّى ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ الثَّمَرٰتِ وَمَغْفِرَةٌ مِّنْ رَّبِّهِمْ ۖ كَمَنْ هُوَ خٰلِدٌ فِى النَّارِ وَسُقُوا مَآءً حَمِيمًا فَقَطَّعَ أَمْعَآءَهُمْ
"Is the description of Paradise, which the righteous are promised, wherein are rivers of water unaltered, rivers of milk the taste of which never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of purified honey, in which they will have from all [kinds of] fruits and forgiveness from their Lord, like [that of] those who abide eternally in the Fire and are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines?"
(QS. Muhammad 47: Verse 15)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Jesus can turn all the water of this world to wine which would not intoxicate .

But that story of a stone running away with Moses clothe is a fable meant for children to make then laugh .

The hole is that stones don't walk and since the hadith says the stone is still with the mark till this day , we need to ask Muhammad to produce the stone or tell us the location of the stone for verification .

Rashduct4luv:


Where's the hole in this? And how is this a nonsense?

This hadith is more authentic than Jesus changing water to booze!

If your God can bless a wedding with booze and you didn't call that "nonsense" but this is nonsense to you?

So, to you a stone doing sprints is more reasonable than a miracle of turning water into wine which proved that Jesus is the creator of things. No wonder Islam appeals to you.

Also is the stone a living thing that needed to be beaten for it to experience pain? And that also makes sense to you?

Rashduct4luv:


Is this the criteria to write Islamic literature of reputable standards?

Islam was not only limited to Mecca and Madina.

I would wonder if the Bible books were entirely written by israelites.

You guys pride yourselves in how and where Islam started and you're excited about issues regarding the 'COMPANIONS OF THE PROPHET'. And we are discovering that the companions had little or no INPUT in the most important books of Islam. If that doesn't worry you it simply means you are following your religion blindly. You were sold a dummy and you bought it hook line and sinker.

Most Moslems live in a state of denial. When confronted with the facts about Islam which they know are uncomfortable they refuse to accept the facts 'hoping' that they are not true and wishing that they will just pass away with time.

Unfortunately reality and fantasy are two different and separate extremes.

Question: Why did the Hadiths date so late after Mohamed was supposed to have lived?
Question: How did over 600,000 stories about Mohamed come up and Bukhari went through them all and eventually certified over 7,000?
Why did he retain repeated hadiths?
Question: why do we have conflicting Hadiths?
Question: Why do we have Suni Hadiths showing one thing and Shiites an opposite position?
Why are Suni anti-Ali and Shiites pro-Ali?

Empiree, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, Lukgaf, Realismailakabir, motayoayinde,

sagenaija:
Question: Why did the Hadiths date so late after Mohamed was supposed to have lived?
Question: How did over 600,000 stories about Mohamed come up and Bukhari went through them all and eventually certified over 7,000?
Why did he retain repeated hadiths?
Question: why do we have conflicting Hadiths?
Question: Why do we have Suni Hadiths showing one thing and Shiites an opposite position?
Why are Suni anti-Ali and Shiites pro-Ali?

Empiree, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, Lukgaf, Realismailakabir, motayoayinde,

No Muslim will tell you why because these are embarrassing questions which can drag them into the holes .

enilove:

No Muslim will tell you why because these are embarrassing questions which can drag them into the holes .

You're right. These are HARD questions which our Moslem guys know they have no answers to.
No wonder they've remained mute.

Maybe they are waiting for Allah's guidance.
The Allah who said he misguides then sends a prophet as a Warner but warns the prophet that he should not think he (the prophet) can guide anyone whom he (Allah) has misguided.
If that doesn't churn the brain I wonder what will. A god who sets out to misguide.

enilove:



No Muslim will tell you why because these are embarrassing questions which can drag them into the holes .

What I don't understand is why Christians who can't agree on the best translation of their book or on how many books are inspired would still be disturbing us here.

How many books (of the Bible) do you think Yahweh inspired?

Mention where and when the books were revealed and to whom it was revealed?

Who joined the books together and how were the books collated?

How were the books preserved?
Who were it's copyists and what were their credentials?

Who were the eyewitnesses that the reports were obtained from and what were their credentials?

AntiChristian:




What I don't understand is why Christians who can't agree on the best translation of their book or on how many books are inspired would still be disturbing us here.

How many books (of the Bible) do you think Yahweh inspired?

Mention where and when the books were revealed and to whom it was revealed?

Who joined the books together and how were the books collated?

How were the books preserved?
Who were it's copyists and what were their credentials?

Who were the eyewitnesses that the reports were obtained from and what were their credentials?

The answers and evidences can never satisfy you, since your motive is to bring or align the Bible with your corrupt Quran and hadiths .

Your prophet knew within him the truth about the Bible and had no option but to say below :

Allah SWT said:

قُلْ يٰٓأَهْلَ الْكِتٰبِ لَسْتُمْ عَلٰى شَىْءٍ حَتّٰى تُقِيمُوا التَّوْرٰىةَ وَالْإِنْجِيلَ وَمَآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ مِّنْ رَّبِّكُمْ ۗ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُمْ مَّآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ طُغْيٰنًا وَكُفْرًا ۖ فَلَا تَأْسَ عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكٰفِرِينَ
"Say, O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 68)

Since the Christians and the Jews did not take him as a prophet of God ,Muhammad resorted to violence and killings. He there4 formed his own religion with a book like the Bible which he called Quran .
That was the origin of your Quran and hadiths .

All those his revelations were nothing but fake revelations he googled to have his ways :

Allah SWT said:
وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, Keep your wife and fear Allah, while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 37)

WHICH KIND OF ADOPTIVE FATHER IS THIS ?
TO HAVE HIS WAY , HE CAME UP WITH FAKE REVELATION .

No wonder Aisha said :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سَلاَمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ كَانَتْ خَوْلَةُ بِنْتُ حَكِيمٍ مِنَ اللاَّئِي وَهَبْنَ أَنْفُسَهُنَّ لِلنَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَتْ عَائِشَةُ أَمَا تَسْتَحِي الْمَرْأَةُ أَنْ تَهَبَ نَفْسَهَا لِلرَّجُلِ فَلَمَّا نَزَلَتْ ‏{‏تُرْجِئُ مَنْ تَشَاءُ مِنْهُنَّ‏}‏ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَا أَرَى رَبَّكَ إِلاَّ يُسَارِعُ فِي هَوَاكَ‏.‏ رَوَاهُ أَبُو سَعِيدٍ الْمُؤَدِّبُ وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بِشْرٍ وَعَبْدَةُ عَنْ هِشَامٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ يَزِيدُ بَعْضُهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ‏.‏
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet (ﷺ) for marriage. `Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33:51) was revealed, " `Aisha said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "

Sahih al-Bukhari 5113
In-book : Book 67, Hadith 50
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 48  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

enilove:


The answers and evidences can never satisfy you, since your motive is to bring or align the Bible with your corrupt Quran and hadiths .

Your prophet knew within him the truth about the Bible and had no option but to say below :

Allah SWT said:

قُلْ يٰٓأَهْلَ الْكِتٰبِ لَسْتُمْ عَلٰى شَىْءٍ حَتّٰى تُقِيمُوا التَّوْرٰىةَ وَالْإِنْجِيلَ وَمَآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ مِّنْ رَّبِّكُمْ ۗ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُمْ مَّآ أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ طُغْيٰنًا وَكُفْرًا ۖ فَلَا تَأْسَ عَلَى الْقَوْمِ الْكٰفِرِينَ
"Say, O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord. And that which has been revealed to you from your Lord will surely increase many of them in transgression and disbelief. So do not grieve over the disbelieving people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 68)

Since the Christians and the Jews did not take him as a prophet of God ,Muhammad resorted to violence and killings. He there4 formed his own religion with a book like the Bible which he called Quran .
That was the origin of your Quran and hadiths .

All those his revelations were nothing but fake revelations he googled to have his ways :

Allah SWT said:
وَإِذْ تَقُولُ لِلَّذِىٓ أَنْعَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَأَنْعَمْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَمْسِكْ عَلَيْكَ زَوْجَكَ وَاتَّقِ اللَّهَ وَتُخْفِى فِى نَفْسِكَ مَا اللَّهُ مُبْدِيهِ وَتَخْشَى النَّاسَ وَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَنْ تَخْشٰىهُ ۖ فَلَمَّا قَضٰى زَيْدٌ مِّنْهَا وَطَرًا زَوَّجْنٰكَهَا لِكَىْ لَا يَكُونَ عَلَى الْمُؤْمِنِينَ حَرَجٌ فِىٓ أَزْوٰجِ أَدْعِيَآئِهِمْ إِذَا قَضَوْا مِنْهُنَّ وَطَرًا ۚ وَكَانَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ مَفْعُولًا
"And [remember, O Muhammad], when you said to the one on whom Allah bestowed favor and you bestowed favor, Keep your wife and fear Allah, while you concealed within yourself that which Allah is to disclose. And you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him. So when Zayd had no longer any need for her, We married her to you in order that there not be upon the believers any discomfort concerning the wives of their adopted sons when they no longer have need of them. And ever is the command of Allah accomplished."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 37)

WHICH KIND OF ADOPTIVE FATHER IS THIS ?
TO HAVE HIS WAY , HE CAME UP WITH FAKE REVELATION .

No wonder Aisha said :

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ سَلاَمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، حَدَّثَنَا هِشَامٌ، عَنْ أَبِيهِ، قَالَ كَانَتْ خَوْلَةُ بِنْتُ حَكِيمٍ مِنَ اللاَّئِي وَهَبْنَ أَنْفُسَهُنَّ لِلنَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقَالَتْ عَائِشَةُ أَمَا تَسْتَحِي الْمَرْأَةُ أَنْ تَهَبَ نَفْسَهَا لِلرَّجُلِ فَلَمَّا نَزَلَتْ ‏{‏تُرْجِئُ مَنْ تَشَاءُ مِنْهُنَّ‏}‏ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ مَا أَرَى رَبَّكَ إِلاَّ يُسَارِعُ فِي هَوَاكَ‏.‏ رَوَاهُ أَبُو سَعِيدٍ الْمُؤَدِّبُ وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بِشْرٍ وَعَبْدَةُ عَنْ هِشَامٍ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنْ عَائِشَةَ يَزِيدُ بَعْضُهُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ‏.‏
Narrated Hisham's father:

Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet (ﷺ) for marriage. `Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33:51) was revealed, " `Aisha said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "

Sahih al-Bukhari 5113
In-book : Book 67, Hadith 50
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 48  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Your Lord did similar things. He killed 42 kids when they abused Elisha.

What should we call your LORD here?
If your Lord can support killing 42 kids just because they called a Prophet "bald head" why do you refuse our Lord supporting his Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam this way?

Hypocrisy is your ways. That's why you lied before that Al means God in Arabic.

Ignorant liar claiming holy spirit. Devil is your companion.

Answer the questions:

Which Bible translation is the best rendering of your books?

How many books (of the Bible) do you think Yahweh inspired?

Mention where and when the books were revealed and to whom it was revealed?

Who joined the books together and how were the books collated?

How were the books preserved?
Who were it's copyists and what were their credentials?

Who were the eyewitnesses that the reports were obtained from and what were their credentials?

AntiChristian:


Your Lord did similar things. He killed 42 kids when they abused Elisha.

What should we call your LORD here?
If your Lord can support killing 42 kids just because they called a Prophet "bald head" why do you refuse our Lord supporting his Prophet salallahu alayhi wa salam this way?

Hypocrisy is your ways. That's why you lied before that Al means God in Arabic.

Ignorant liar claiming holy spirit. Devil is your companion.

Answer the questions:

Which Bible translation is the best rendering of your books?

How many books (of the Bible) do you think Yahweh inspired?

Mention where and when the books were revealed and to whom it was revealed?

Who joined the books together and how were the books collated?

How were the books preserved?
Who were it's copyists and what were their credentials?

Who were the eyewitnesses that the reports were obtained from and what were their credentials?

Are you saying your god and Muhammad did not have answers to these questions before approving of the Bible ?

By asking me those questions simply means you are calling your prophet a liar and Quran a false book , which is the reason for this thread , to show you the holes in your hadiths and Quran.

Tell me why the Arabs had to born the Quran .