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Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by agwom(op): 12:02pm On Mar 19, 2020
Some in the congregation in Galatia were hawking a tenet of salvation by works. Paul asks and answers three stunner inquiries of those Galatians who were attempting to hawk this regulation. These three inquiries and their answers left their salvation by works message speechless.

You recall, obviously, that Paul accepted that Jesus' blood dealt with the wrongdoing issue for mankind.

Presently here are his three explosive inquiries and their undeniable answers.

Question #1: "Did the Galatians get the Spirit by crafted by the law or by the becoming aware of confidence?" Galatians 3:2. As it were, would you be able to work to get the Spirit or is that a result of accepting on Jesus and getting Him (by confidence) as your own guardian angel? Obviously, getting the Spirit stops by confidence after accepting Jesus as deliverer.

Works have nothing to do with it. Paul's rationale, at that point, powers the end that works of the law have nothing to do with the expulsion of our blame and sentiments of shamefulness for our wrongdoings. This is exclusively through Jesus' blood which is God's

preeminent demonstration of beauty. The blood of Jesus is appropriated by confidence and not by works by any stretch of the imagination

Question #2: "Since they began by the Spirit, what makes them figure they can change from the Spirit to the substance to proceed with their Christian experience? What makes them figure they can change from the Spirit to the carnal works of the Law to complete out their Christian experience?" Galatians 3:3.

They can't. In this way, Jesus' blood, concerned us by the Spirit through confidence, will deal with our blame and

shamefulness issue. Thus, Christians who rest and trust in Jesus' blood won't be brought under servitude for dishonor brought about by the blame of their transgressions.

Therefore, they won't let these sentiments of blame and dishonor meddle with God's endowments of recuperating, flourishing, family prosperity and salvation contained in the Abrahamic contract for them.

Question #3: "Did the person who serves the Spirit to them and works wonders among them do these things by the knowing about confidence or by crafted by the law?" Galatians 3:5. Obviously, he did these things by confidence and not by crafted by the law.

Paul's rationale, here, powers the end that (1) since these Galatians got the Spirit by confidence and not by works of the Law, (2) since they can't change from the Spirit to works of the Law to keep up their Christian life and (3) since the ones serving the Spirit and works wonders among them keep on doing them by confidence and not by works of the Law, at that point neither can the Galatians subjectively change from salvation by confidence in Jesus to salvation by works of the Law. Neither would they be able to endeavor to follow any blend of confidence and works.

From the previous, clearly Paul accepted that Jesus' blood dealt with everything. His blood was the finesse of God in real life. His blood dealt with the blame and sentiments of dishonor for every one of our transgressions. To add one thing to this brilliant recipe as any strict work that we should do to get our blame and dishonor expelled would void God's effortlessness and render Jesus' demise pointless and good for nothing.

Never let the fiend or his group reveal to you that you can't have your Abrahamic gifts of mending, success, family prosperity and salvation on account of sentiments of blame and disgracefulness.

source: http://www.mychristianlifeministries.com
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by Nobody: 3:46pm On Mar 19, 2020
agwom:
Some in the congregation in Galatia were hawking a tenet of salvation by works. Paul asks and answers three stunner inquiries of those Galatians who were attempting to hawk this regulation. These three inquiries and their answers left their salvation by works message speechless.

You recall, obviously, that Paul accepted that Jesus' blood dealt with the wrongdoing issue for mankind.

Presently here are his three explosive inquiries and their undeniable answers.

Question #1: "Did the Galatians get the Spirit by crafted by the law or by the becoming aware of confidence?" Galatians 3:2. As it were, would you be able to work to get the Spirit or is that a result of accepting on Jesus and getting Him (by confidence) as your own guardian angel? Obviously, getting the Spirit stops by confidence after accepting Jesus as deliverer.

Works have nothing to do with it. Paul's rationale, at that point, powers the end that works of the law have nothing to do with the expulsion of our blame and sentiments of shamefulness for our wrongdoings. This is exclusively through Jesus' blood which is God's

preeminent demonstration of beauty. The blood of Jesus is appropriated by confidence and not by works by any stretch of the imagination

Question #2: "Since they began by the Spirit, what makes them figure they can change from the Spirit to the substance to proceed with their Christian experience? What makes them figure they can change from the Spirit to the carnal works of the Law to complete out their Christian experience?" Galatians 3:3.

They can't. In this way, Jesus' blood, concerned us by the Spirit through confidence, will deal with our blame and

shamefulness issue. Thus, Christians who rest and trust in Jesus' blood won't be brought under servitude for dishonor brought about by the blame of their transgressions.

Therefore, they won't let these sentiments of blame and dishonor meddle with God's endowments of recuperating, flourishing, family prosperity and salvation contained in the Abrahamic contract for them.

Question #3: "Did the person who serves the Spirit to them and works wonders among them do these things by the knowing about confidence or by crafted by the law?" Galatians 3:5. Obviously, he did these things by confidence and not by crafted by the law.

Paul's rationale, here, powers the end that (1) since these Galatians got the Spirit by confidence and not by works of the Law, (2) since they can't change from the Spirit to works of the Law to keep up their Christian life and (3) since the ones serving the Spirit and works wonders among them keep on doing them by confidence and not by works of the Law, at that point neither can the Galatians subjectively change from salvation by confidence in Jesus to salvation by works of the Law. Neither would they be able to endeavor to follow any blend of confidence and works.

From the previous, clearly Paul accepted that Jesus' blood dealt with everything. His blood was the finesse of God in real life. His blood dealt with the blame and sentiments of dishonor for every one of our transgressions. To add one thing to this brilliant recipe as any strict work that we should do to get our blame and dishonor expelled would void God's effortlessness and render Jesus' demise pointless and good for nothing.

Never let the fiend or his group reveal to you that you can't have your Abrahamic gifts of mending, success, family prosperity and salvation on account of sentiments of blame and disgracefulness.

source: http://www.mychristianlifeministries.com
Nice write up

Jesus shed his blood mainly for the remission of sins, that is, he paid for the consequences of sins. I don't know the everything you wrote though and I also believe that scripture tells us we have a part to play which is solely inspired of the Holy Spirit we receive.

The spirit that enables us to live the way God wishes for us, is given to us freely cheesy. Amazing words you've posted
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by Harshirama(m): 3:54pm On Mar 19, 2020
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Ephesians 2:8
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by AntiChristian: 4:20pm On Mar 19, 2020
Harshirama:
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God;
Ephesians 2:8
Does faith and faith alone justify us in God’s sight, or must we also do good works if we are to be saved?

The Pauline Epistle to the Romans takes the former position, and defends it by citing the story of the Old Testament patriarch, Abraham, whom God asked to sacrifice his son Isaac as a proof of his faithfulness:

“If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? ‘Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.’…. It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.”
—Romans 4:2,3,13 (NIV)

However, somewhat amusingly, the Epistle of James cites the same story in defense of its own position, but draws the exact opposite lesson from it!

“Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, ‘Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,’ and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.”
—James 2:21-24 (NIV)

In the New Testament, good works are often considered to be synonymous with following the Jewish law, and in the early days of Christianity, fierce debates often raged over whether that law still needed to be followed. The Pauline letters generally held that the Old Testament law had been abolished (see Galatians 2:16, 3:11-12); but in another amusing Biblical self-contradiction, one which raises the specter of interpolation, the book of Romans cannot agree even with itself on this issue.

“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin…. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.”
—Romans 3:20,28 (NIV, emphasis added)

versus

“All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.”
—Romans 2:12,13 (NIV, emphasis added)

A starker contradiction could scarcely be imagined. Romans 3 says that no one who obeys the Jewish law will be declared righteous, but that a man is justified by faith without observing the law. Romans 2 says the polar opposite, that those who obey the law will be declared righteous, and that a man who merely hears the law without following it (i.e., someone who tries to justify themself through faith alone) will be duly punished.

The gospels contain one more contradiction on the issue of faith vs. good works. This one is due to Jesus Christ himself, and centers around the matter of a glaring inconsistency between Jesus’ words and his deeds.

In Matthew 19, a young man comes to Jesus and asks what he must do that he may be granted eternal life in Heaven. Jesus lists five of the Ten Commandments and tells him to make sure to keep them. The young man replies that he has done so, and asks if there is anything else he must do.

“Jesus answered, ‘If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'”
—Matthew 19:21 (NIV)

This endorsement of good works as a means to attain Heaven raises some difficulties for those who would argue that faith alone is sufficient for salvation. But leave that issue aside for the moment. Keeping in mind Jesus’ advice here, skip ahead to two days before Jesus’ arrest and crucifixion. Mark chapter 14 relates a very unusual incident at this point in his life:

“While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head. Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, ‘Why this waste of perfume? It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.’ And they rebuked her harshly.

‘Leave her alone,’ said Jesus. ‘Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. I tell you the truth, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.'”
—Mark 14:3-9 (NIV)

“Do as I say, not as I do” does not seem to have been included among the Son of Man’s teachings, and so the disciples’ puzzled and angry reaction to this incident is fully understandable. When a woman anointed Jesus with lavishly expensive perfume, the disciples doubtless thought they were only following his teachings when they chastised her for this waste of money that could otherwise have been spent on more worthy causes. But then Jesus leaps to the woman’s defense, rebuking the disciples as though they had done something wrong by pointing this out, and rather selfishly saying he should get to enjoy it since he would be gone soon anyway. (In line with the theory that Mark’s was the first gospel and that later writers took it upon themselves to “correct” his theologically difficult passages, John 12 portrays Judas as saying this because he wanted to steal the money for himself. This does not alter the underlying moral, however, nor does it solve the inconsistency.)

No apologist source that I am aware of addresses the apparent discrepancy between the strict rules Jesus enjoined others to follow and this wasteful indulgence he granted himself. Like many others in the Bible, this contradiction must be marked as unresolved.
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by Harshirama(m): 4:30pm On Mar 19, 2020
AntiChristian:
Does faith and faith alone justify us in God’s sight, or must we also do good works if we are to be saved?

The Pauline Epistle to the Romans takes the former position, and defends it by citing the story of the Old Testament patriarch, Abraham, whom God asked to sacrifice his son Isaac as a proof of his faithfulness:

“If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does the Scripture say? ‘Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.’…. It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith.”
—Romans 4:2,3,13 (NIV)

However, somewhat amusingly, the Epistle of James cites the same story in defense of its own position, but draws the exact opposite lesson from it!

“Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, ‘Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,’ and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.”
—James 2:21-24 (NIV)

In the New Testament, good works are often considered to be synonymous with following the Jewish law, and in the early days of Christianity, fierce debates often raged over whether that law still needed to be followed. The Pauline letters generally held that the Old Testament law had been abolished (see Galatians 2:16, 3:11-12); but in another amusing Biblical self-contradiction, one which raises the specter of interpolation, the book of Romans cannot agree even with itself on this issue.

“Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin…. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.”
—Romans 3:20,28 (NIV, emphasis added)

versus

“All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.”
—Romans 2:12,13 (NIV, emphasis added)

A starker contradiction could scarcely be imagined. Romans 3 says that no one who obeys the Jewish law will be declared righteous, but that a man is justified by faith without observing the law. Romans 2 says the polar opposite, that those who obey the law will be declared righteous, and that a man who merely hears the law without following it (i.e., someone who tries to justify themself through faith alone) will be duly punished.

The gospels contain one more contradiction on the issue of faith vs. good works. This one is due to Jesus Christ himself, and centers around the matter of a glaring inconsistency between Jesus’ words and his deeds.

In Matthew 19, a young man comes to Jesus and asks what he must do that he may be granted eternal life in Heaven. Jesus lists five of the Ten Commandments and tells him to make sure to keep them. The young man replies that he has done so, and asks if there is anything else he must do.

“Jesus answered, ‘If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'”
—Matthew 19:21 (NIV)

This endorsement of good works as a means to attain Heaven raises some difficulties for those who would argue that faith alone is sufficient for salvation. But leave that issue aside for the moment. Keeping in mind Jesus’ advice here, skip ahead to two days before Jesus’ arrest and crucifixion. Mark chapter 14 relates a very unusual incident at this point in his life:

“While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head. Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, ‘Why this waste of perfume? It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.’ And they rebuked her harshly.

‘Leave her alone,’ said Jesus. ‘Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial. I tell you the truth, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.'”
—Mark 14:3-9 (NIV)

“Do as I say, not as I do” does not seem to have been included among the Son of Man’s teachings, and so the disciples’ puzzled and angry reaction to this incident is fully understandable. When a woman anointed Jesus with lavishly expensive perfume, the disciples doubtless thought they were only following his teachings when they chastised her for this waste of money that could otherwise have been spent on more worthy causes. But then Jesus leaps to the woman’s defense, rebuking the disciples as though they had done something wrong by pointing this out, and rather selfishly saying he should get to enjoy it since he would be gone soon anyway. (In line with the theory that Mark’s was the first gospel and that later writers took it upon themselves to “correct” his theologically difficult passages, John 12 portrays Judas as saying this because he wanted to steal the money for himself. This does not alter the underlying moral, however, nor does it solve the inconsistency.)

No apologist source that I am aware of addresses the apparent discrepancy between the strict rules Jesus enjoined others to follow and this wasteful indulgence he granted himself. Like many others in the Bible, this contradiction must be marked as unresolved.
For the payoff of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Romans 4:5
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by Nobody: 4:42pm On Mar 19, 2020
The works Paul was talking about when writing that letter to the Galatians means much more than that!

Galatian Congregation were erroneously taught that they must observe the MOSAIC LAWS before they can gain salvation.

Paul is not saying there is GRACE without WORKS, because if that be the case then we will all gain salvation since we need not do any work again!

What he meant is that Jesus has offered himself once for all times, so Christians only need to continue working hard to put on the new personality {Ephesians 4:24; Colossians 3:10} that is imitating Jesus in thoughts, words and actions, that's what it means to become HOLY! 1Peter 1:16 compare to Matthew 5:48

So instead of struggling to keep the laws given to Moses which purpose has been met at the arrival of Jesus Christ {Matthew 5:17 compare to Galatians 3:23-25}

Our FAITH is dead without WORKS {James 2:18-26} that means while we're struggling to imitate God's son, we can make mistakes, all we need now is to go on our knees and beg for forgiveness immediately someone calls our attention to our blunder. God is ever ready to forgive and forget any blunder we might have committed (IN IGNORANCE) if we ask for forgiveness in Jesus name!

But that doesn't mean there is no WORKS of FAITH! smiley
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by AntiChristian: 4:42pm On Mar 19, 2020
Harshirama:
For the payoff of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Romans 4:5
So who is wrong Paul or James or Jesus?
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by Harshirama(m): 4:54pm On Mar 19, 2020
AntiChristian:
So who is wrong Paul or James or Jesus?
Neither, faith is shown by actions at times. For example, a sign of faith can be when you lay your hands on the sick to receive healing.
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by AntiChristian: 5:45pm On Mar 19, 2020
Harshirama:
Neither, faith is shown by actions at times. For example, a sign of faith can be when you lay your hands on the sick to receive healing.
So are you saying Paul is true sometimes, James is true sometimes and Jesus sometimes?
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by Harshirama(m): 5:58pm On Mar 19, 2020
AntiChristian:
So are you saying Paul is true sometimes, James is true sometimes and Jesus sometimes?
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Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by Harshirama(m): 5:58pm On Mar 19, 2020
AntiChristian:
So are you saying Paul is true sometimes, James is true sometimes and Jesus sometimes?
Understanding of contexts is highly important. During Salvation, works do nothing, salvation is by faith alone. However, in our Christian journey, our faith is shown through our works.
Re: Is Salvation Based On Grace Or Works? by AntiChristian: 5:46am On Mar 20, 2020
Harshirama:
Understanding of contexts is highly important. During Salvation, works do nothing, salvation is by faith alone. However, in our Christian journey, our faith is shown through our works.
When that man came to Jesus and asked him what does he need to do to get eternal life, what was Jesus's first response, work or faith?
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