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Nowenuse:
Of course my comments were restored! But the ban prevented me from making any more replies/comments until it was lifted.
My reply on the updated list of tertiary institutions in Jos was one of them.


Ogbeni, didn't u see where towns like Osi, Ajase, Isanlu & Omu (Omu Aran) were mentioned among pagan tribes of the Emirate that have been divided into districts?
If I mention Awo free edu now, u go dey vex.
Or forgive me, perhaps you don't even know the names of these towns above as Igbomina & Ekiti speaking towns of Kwara.

This confirms what I said earlier that many of you Yorubas arguing here do not know Jack outside the SW.
The only exceptions on this thread are forgiveness, Legendhero and Myobjective.


Yes, Ilorin Emirate of present day is limited to Kwara central! But in the past it controlled Kwara south too!
Infact, just like you, I did not know.

Some years ago, A Nigerian friend of mine in Germany told me that in the past, the Emir of Ilorin was responsible for coronating and turbaning Obas in Kwara south, I screamed at him that it was a lie.
Not until I came across this document many months ago and my mouth almost dropped.

So, you are the one who needs a class and not me.



Colonial Ilorin province corresponds to present day Kwara state which is at least 75-80% Yoruba speaking. How then on Earth do u think Bariba & Nupe immigration can ever come close to that of Yoruba in Ilorin during the old Ilorin province? Many Ilorin Nupes were even moving to Bida rather than Ilorin.

Don't give silly analogies and arguments in order to save face.

Saraki's father's claim being from Mali is very fictional, besides, even if it was true. Malians do not speak Hausa. Hausa language in Ilorin needed Hausa reinforcements and not Malian.



This last paragraph shows that you don't even know what u are saying. Abeg if sleep is catching you, pls sleep and save me the stress of schooling you.

How can you say I claimed that Hausa language died in Ilorin due to a foreign language?
Yoruba was not a foreign language in Ilorin. Ilorin was multilingual but all the towns surrounding Ilorin were Yoruba speaking, so of course, Hausa & fulfude languages were the foreign language in Ilorin that were naturally supposed to die out.

Simple!

Lol

You are simply silly

Look at your silly claims

Osi,

Ajase,

sanlu

Omu (Omu Aran)

Those are the igbomina towns and they are scattered in both in Osun and Kwara state

Omu-Aran ,
Òbà, Ajasse Ipo , Eleju of Eju-land, Eku-Mesesan-Oro (Ijomu-Oro, Iddo-Oro, Okerimi-Oro, Afin-Oro, Okeola-Oro, Ibode-Oro, Otun-Oro, Iludun-0ro, Agbeola-Oro), Edidi (Edidi-ona, Edidi Idera, Edidi Oja) , Oke-Onigbin , Isanlu Isin , Ijara-Isin , Aran-Orin, Rore , Esiẹ ,
Omupo , Omugo , Ipetu-Igbomina ,
Igbaja , Ora, Oke-Ode, Owu-Isin, Oro-Ago, Ahun, Arandun, Shaare , Oke-Aba, Owode Ofaro, Ikosin


How many of those were mentioned in the Article?


Ekitis on the other hand have their people Ekiti in nearby Ekiti state and other Yorubas in Kogi.

If you know anything about the ijesha parapo (including the Ekitis) alliance with Ilorin (Emirate) against ibadan, then you will realize why Ekitis ended up in Kwara state today.


And @ emboldened you claimed that Hausa language was spoken in Ilorin because majority of its people were non Yorubas or have you forgotten your own lie.

Ilorin Emirate was surrounded by Baribas to the East, Nupe to the north and Yoruba to the south. So how come Ilorin people who were majorly non Yorubas had to learn Yoruba to survive.

Shameless liar

Nowenuse:
Of course, the average Yoruba prefers a Hausa fulani over a Christian cos you guys share one religion in Islam. The irony of this is that whenever crisis starts in the North, you Yoruba muslims will run away from your Hausa lovers to safety in Christian areas.
These are some of the reasons why I tend to dislike Yorubas as much as Hausa fulanis.


Yes, I only excused my people for voting Buhari in 2015 because majority of us did not vote for him! A minority of us did. The majority still voted for GEJ in spite of all the wrongs he did to us.
Had it been 60% of Yorubas voted for GEJ, do you think anybody would have called you guys betrayers or anything?

Didn't you see where I said I gave up on Tiv people too in 2015 when the majority of them voted Buhari?


In 2019, Atiku was a lesser evil than Buhari and everyone knows it. If there was a non- Hausa-fulani candidate in a major party, do you think we will vote for Atiku? Hell no. It was between 2 evils and we chose the lesser evil. However, majority of Yorubas chose the greater evil due to selfishness.

are you the one to tell us who to vote? And when has any yoruba wanted your useless love from an inconsequential minority who is afraid to name his worthless and inferior tribe..
Instead of you to worry about your women getting fvcked and men getting killed by fulanis in your plateau state, na who yorubas vote for be your headache..
Goat..

Nowenuse:
You are just being a clown
You say I am reducing Christian population in Plateau and increasing Christian population in Kaduna?

I never said that Christians are more than Muslims in Kaduna. No.
It is very much a close 50-50 thing. And this can clearly be proven by the best means we have available.

About Plateau, are u doubting that Muslims have up to 20% of the state or what? In Jos which has almost ⅓ of Plateau state's population, muslims make up at least 25-30% of the city. Apart from the Jos population, they also dominate 2 other LGAs out of the remaining 15 and have significant minorities in other LGAs.

Now u can see that Kaduna state has almost twice the population of Plateau state and this defines Southern Kaduna & Zaria people.


Now, let us look into your comparison of Osun & Kaduna.
Yes, Kaduna should have 3 million Christians based on 2006 census and this 3 million Christians should be the exact population of Kaduna indigene Christians, cos the number of Kaduna Indigenes Christians outside Kaduna state I believe can neutralize that of the Christian settlers in Kaduna state.

But how about Osun? Can the number of settlers in Osun state neutralize the number of Osun Indigenes outside Osun?
Osun & Ekiti are like the least cosmopolitan states in Yoruba land. How many settlers go to Osun?
But ask yourself how many Osun people live outside Osun, starting with a place like Lagos for example

Do I need to use hammer on your brain to make you understand that the jamb list is based on the Indigenous population of a state?
Osun Indigenes would clearly outnumber Southern Kaduna or Plateau Indigenes in number!

I have listed the only Southern states my state can compete with in number of Indigenes.


Kano state is high because it is the Lagos of Hausaland where everyone is accepted and allowed to claim indigeneship. Even non Hausa fulanis are allowed indigeneship certificates in Kano, as long as you have pure Islamic names, you are a Muslim and can speak Hausa fluently.

Katsina has a strong number of Indigenes. Infact, Katsina should have more Indigenes than Kano! Zaria cannot smell Katsina in number of Indigenes, yet Katsina is always lower than Plateau state.
Why the hell is it not having high figures?

You are laughing at Taraba.

Taraba has even less Indigenes than Plateau state and more Muslims.
You can see Taraba state low numbers from the 2006 census na and it's not as if they even migrate anywhere.

Taraba with it's small population is now at least 30% Muslim.

Go through these pictures below and compare Plateau state with Ekiti from 2012 to 2015 and see how Plateau overtook and dusted Ekiti.

You can also see that Plateau state is always having ⅔ of Kaduna state figures as both states increase over the years.
To show you that we and our Southern Kaduna siblings are moving at the same pace.
Kaduna gave Plateau a margin of 15k in 2012, but by 2015 the margin was 12k.

But compare Kano & Katsina figures you will see that Kano is growing at a faster rate than Katsina. At 2012, the margin between them was 11k, at 2015 the margin was 28k.
Why? Are they not the same people? This should tell you that something is wrong with Kano.
Kano is high on the steroids of every Hausa speaking Muslim immigrant claiming it as a state of origin.

Ehen, another lesson to show you the point I have been stressing on since!
Look at Nasarawa & Plateau states. Nasarawa state is always dragging numbers with Plateau state, but go and check the 2006 population of Nasarawa state, it is almost half of Plateau state! Yet, how come they are dragging numbers with us?
This is simply because not until recently when Abuja started developing into Karu, many Nasarawa Indigenes lived in Jos & Kaduna.
Before I used to underrate the population of Nasarawa Indigenes, not until I came across this jamb enrollment and saw the way they were dragging numbers with us.

Nasarawa even has more muslims than Plateau state (35%). The only good thing is that majority of Nasarawa muslims are Alagos & Agatus (Idoma speakers), Ebiras, Afos & Jukuns. They are not Hausa fulanis. Many of them even find it difficult to speak good Hausa. Hence they are progressive just like Kogi & Yoruba muslims.

Taraba unfortunately has majority of regressive Muslims!

So I hope you have learnt your lessons from this and will stop giving senseless replies.

I still don't get why you are celebrating tbh

What is the point of your victory lap

Weren't you the one asking for Ekiti numbers in the hope that your state would do better than Ekiti state.

Ekiti with a population of 2 million plus is doing better than Plateau

Abia with a population of two million plus is dusting Plateau.

Abi you need glasses to see those aforementioned facts

.And I thought you said Fulani/Muslims are your main problem in Plateau but you are now referencing Nasarawa with an Emir as your preferred reference to show the education prowess of your people.

The main ethnic groups in Nasarawa State are Aguta, Alago, Basa, Ebira, Eggon, Gbagyi, Gwandara, Fulani, Kanuri and Tiv. [copied]

Nasarawa has the Kanuri, Ebira, and Tiv, Fulani tribes that you love to hate.

You even once said here on Nairaland that you hate Eggon tribe because they are just as proud as the igbos.

https://smileprojectnigeria.crs.org/?page_id=98

Bro you deserve a degree in dishonesty.

Furthermore, It's a known fact(an open secret) that the big Kano population is as a result of immigrants from other parts of Hausa land but this takes nothing away from their impressive jamb figures.

The Kano and the Kaduna figures shows Hausa from that side take education seriously than the rest of Hausa land. After all the brightess Hausa brains always come from Kano or Kaduna e.g. Sanusi, fomer senator Sanni etc.

Even in Yoruba land and Igbo land, states like Osun, Abia, Imo and Ekiti are doing better than the rest of their peers in Education when one factor in their population.

My friend! no matter how hard you try to rewrite this data and twist facts to your advantage, the facts still remain that you and the educational minded Hausas in Kaduna and Kano are moving at a similar pace when it comes to education.

As for the SouthWest, your people still have a decade of catching up to do.

wowcatty:
Unity in Nigeria is the biggest fraud, it's attempt to steal from others.

What Nigeria needs is respect! Respect of boundaries, values and culture!

The western world respect each other, this is why they are able to grow! UK is an example of what different ethic ethnic group can achieve when they respect each other. You hear Scottish breakfast and English breakfast, so is England more developed than Wales and you won't hear cries for federal govt to go and develop places that don't add much to the center.

Until Nigeria is modeled after UK, where the pound sterling in n.Ireland is different from Scotland and England or Wales, it will remain a giant fraud! You can't keep putting some strange people and cattle on the money Yoruba spend, when cow is food to us, or some women we have no idea who they are or care! We have our heroes we want on our money just as others should have theirs.

So why all the fake unity and lies just to steal from others? Let each nation hold its weight and shed the fraudulent unity just to claim Yorubaland.

this is the koko but for some people dominating others and grabbing what's not theirs is their own unity

Nowenuse:
@Legendhero, forgiveness, Iamgrey5, Covidodo, Ayekotoo, Barbilius, candidtalk

When we were arguing over Ilorin, One of u dared me to prove that Hausa language was once used as the language of senior education in Ilorin.

Look below. I attached 3 screenshots from the first colonial document used to classify & record all ethnicities and provinces of Northern Nigeria, written around 1900-1910.
It is now a compiled book called NOTES ON THE TRIBES, PROVINCES and EMIRATES OF NORTHERN NIGERIA PROVINCE.

It was compiled by the Temple brothers, who were British colonialists in charge of the administration of the Northern Nigerian region.

I want you guys to read through these 3 screenshots and u will see where

1) It was said that Ilorin urban had 2k people as that time and the majority of ethnicities listed there were Non-Yorubas.

2) Yoruba language was used for Junior education while Hausa language for advanced education in Ilorin

3) All the traditional rulers from the Igbominas, Igbolos & Ekiti speakers were appointed and confirmed by the Emir. So, not just Ilorin but the whole of Kwara was under the direct rulership of the Emirate.


See, let me clear you Yorubas on one thing, cos I noticed how many of you go about saying that the Emirate in Ilorin does not change anything since even the Emir and everyone else in Ilorin speaks Yoruba as their mother tongue.

Ilorin is not a unique case! Nupe land & Hausa land are both Emirates under the Sultanates (ruled by Fulanis), and almost everyone in Nupeland & Hausaland speaks only Nupe & Hausa (including the Emirs).

It is only the NE that the fulanis managed to retain their native Fulfude language because the tribes there are smaller minority tribes who did not have the numbers of speakers to absorb the Fulani settlers.

Fulanis conquer you and do not care whether they loose their language to yours or not. The only thing they care about is retaining the rulership of your land!

Then they try to create a form of caste system where only those with fulani heritage become the elites of that society.
Mind u, fulani heritage does not mean one who speaks fulani language. It means one who speaks Hausa, Nupe or Yoruba language but has full or partial fulani ancestors.

This has worked perfectly in Hausa land and to an extent Nupeland, it was working in Ilorin, but due to the exposure of Western education in Yorubaland, the aim was defeated.
That of Ilorin can be seen where half or majority of the elites from Ilorin are of Fulani ancestry and these can be clearly seen from their family names e.g SARAKI, BELGORE, GAMBARI, BARAJE, BELLO e.t.c

So, you guys should stop claiming that the Emirate in Ilorin is weak because nobody speaks fulani language, that is ignorance!

Nobody in Bida, Lapai, Agaie, Patigi or any of the Nupe towns speak Fulfude.
Nupes do not even understand Hausa language as a 2nd language unlike Gbagyis, Southern Kaduna, Plateau people. Any Nupe you see speaking Hausa learnt it by living in Minna, Jos, Zaria, Kaduna, Kano, Bauchi e.t.c

So, even Hausa settlers in Bida have to learn Nupe language in order to survive same way they learn Yoruba in Ilorin. However, this does not change the fact that majority of the royal families and elites among the Nupes are of FULANI ANCESTRY, and they know themselves, inspire of their mother tongue being Nupe!

Today, more than 10 million fulani who live in the NW claim to be ethnic fulani but they cannot alter a word of Fulfude. Their language & Culture is HAUSA! e.g the Buharis, the Lamidos, Shagaris, Yar'aduas et all. None of them can speak a word of Fulfude or know anything about fulani Culture. This is why they are called HAUSANIZED FULANIS.
The same way dozens of families and thousands of people in Ilorin are YORUBANIZED FULANIS.

So, Yoruba language displaced Fulfude & Hausa language in Ilorin not up to 100 years ago, but it did not make all the Hausa fulanis there disappear.
These Hausa fulanis and their descendants who now speak only Yoruba in Ilorin are the majority of the muslim extremists you have today in Ilorin.

Fulanis conquer a people and try to integrate with them in order to avoid being revolted against in the future.
They adopt the language of their hosts and intermarry from their hosts. That is why almost all the fulani royal families in Nigeria have Hausa, Yoruba, Nupe, Bariba, Chamba, Jukun, e.t.c wives depending on the area they settled.

Thank u for your time

1. You lied. Ilorin had a population of 2,500 and was shared among other ethnicity present. It didn't say Yorubas were not the majority. Egerton debated on this issue because he viewed Ilorin as a Yoruba city. Besides, why were houses built in traditional architecture in Ilorin according to your source?


Egerton came into conflict with the administration of Northern Nigeria on a number of issues. There was debate over whether Ilorin should be incorporated into Southern Nigeria since the people were Yoruba,


2. If Hause was used for older people, why was Ajami scripts written in Yoruba and not Hausa in Ilorin?

3. Igbominas people already embraced Islam long before Ilorin ever did.

Which Ekiti traditional ruler was confirmed and appointed by Fulani?


4. Do you know Emir Moma was removed through palace coup by Yorubas Baloguns in 1896? It was British who forcefully placed his son on the throne.


Who signed the treaty with British on behalf of Ilorin? Ajikobi's family.

Why didn't Emir of Ilorin sign if he was actually the leader of Ilorin since British signed treaties with the heads of communities conquered? Why?

Emir of Ilorin throne is shaking. He knows that.

Nowenuse:
Yes, Igbos kind of partnered with the Hausa fulanis in the past. But even my own people did that too.

But what I like about Igbos is that they are not ashamed of calling out their people who they feel did wrong. Many Igbo youths of today do not respect Zik or his past actions. Heck, they even slander most of their past leaders for their deeds.
Igbos do not hide or protect evil for Tribalism unlike u Yorubas.

Igbos & Northern christians queued behind Atiku because he was the lesser evil of 2 evils.

Atiku is just too liberal to be a Fulani man. Maybe because he is from Adamawa Sha and he grew up being surrounded by Christians & Muslims of different ethnic groups. Unlike Buhari from core northern Islamic Katsina.


As for Benue people voting Buhari in 2015, yes it happened! And the Tivs were the ones responsible for this. Why?
The Tivs were jealous of the Idomas who had the Senate Presidency and a stronger influence under GEJ. So, they thought that supporting Buhari will get them Senate Presidency, rather they got massacres.

That action of Tivs forever helped me confirm my previous thoughts that we from Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa & Gongola cannot really be one with Benue & Kogi people. Irrespective of religion. These people are the same with you Southerners who are very very selfish and will never mind to ditch/jeorpadize everybody else progress for personal gains.

Sebi you know Boss Mustapha & Babacir David Lawal? (secretaries to the Federation). Both of them are Kilba Christians from Adamawa.
Kilba people have been heavily favoured by Buhari's government, but Buhari still lost in their LGA. Most Kilba and Adamawa Christians at large still hate and dislike Buhari (Atiku notwithstanding).
That is how we Northern christians roll. We will not sell each other because of selfishness. However, Tivs, Idomas & Igalas are not like this.

This is the reason why I do not rep Benue people! They are not part of our movement. We will only work with them as neighbors same way we work with Igbos to leave this useless country. Thank you.

You don't know anything about SW.

ZombiePUNISHER:
It takes a zombie to support buhari
A lifeless dullard

.You mean as a Zombie, you have special powers to see things..?

forgiveness:
Who and whose resources were used to build carter bridge, Train, tramway, telephone, electricity, payed roads, seaport, banks, import cars, built Morden city etc as at 1901?

Apparently, NOT SE, SS nor NORTHERN resources.

Value of importation and exportation without SE, SS North etc was about a million pounds sterling.

Lagos without these region's people or recourses was already a rich city. Fact

By 1872 the population of the colony was over 60,000, of whom less than 100 were of European origin. In 1876 imports were valued at £476,813 and exports at £619,260

Like I said it was first developed by the brits so they can explore other regions bcuz it's closer to the sea which is virtually where they will first discover, wait a minute I just realized we are in 2020 not 1851, just imagine what will happen to Lagos if there is no Nigeria today

Covidodo:
Like US , China , SA and Brazil
The economic capitals of those countries are not their administrative capitals .

That said , Lagos ceased to be the Nation's capital since 1991 . That's about 30 years ago .

You just mentioned tgit few but please check the number of countries that have their economic capital as their adminstrative capital to those that don't, besides Abuja is still young compered to lagLa but it will still over take Lagos at the rate it's developing

spendoon:
You just mentioned tgit few but please check the number of countries that have their economic capital as their adminstrative capital to those that don't, besides Abuja is still young compered to lagLa but it will still over take Lagos at the rate it's developing

Abuja can not overtake anything because it can not function beyond what the planners designed it for.

Lagos is the 5th largest economy in Africa, Lagos is Nigeria and Africa's commercial capital, entertainment capital, industrial capital, finance capital, real estate capital and so on, but Abuja is Nigeria's administrative capital, just administrative nothing more.

Abuja can not beat anything, it's just a political capital that's not designed or legislated to be anything that it wasn't planned to be by law.

spendoon:
Like I said it was first developed by the brits so they can explore other regions bcuz it's closer to the sea which is virtually where they will first discover, wait a minute I just realized we are in 2020 not 1851, just imagine what will happen to Lagos if there is no Nigeria today

No, it was first developed by the Yorubas before British came to add to it.

Lagos was established before SE, SS and Northern ever came to Lagos. Other regions like the SS & SE were also closer to the sea through Calabar their Capital yet lagged behind in infrastructural development compared to Lagos. That's the bigger picture.

If Lagos is no longer part of Nigeria, it will develop faster than any other cities in Africa because it will become the capital of SW. Period.

Kidakudz5:
are you the one to tell us who to vote? And when has any yoruba wanted your useless love from an inconsequential minority who is afraid to name his worthless and inferior tribe..
Instead of you to worry about your women getting fvcked and men getting killed by fulanis in your plateau state, na who yorubas vote for be your headache..
Goat..

Stop being a psychopath. I wasn't engaging you in a conversation. Don't come from nowhere to display stupidity.

Is Oke-Ogun in Plateau state too?

forgiveness:
No, it was first developed by the Yorubas before British came to add to it.

Lagos was established before SE, SS and Northern ever came to Lagos. Other regions like the SS & SE were also closer to the sea through Calabar their Capital yet lagged behind in infrastructural development compared to Lagos. That's the bigger picture.

If Lagos is no longer part of Nigeria, it will develop faster than any other cities in Africa because it will become the capital of SW. Period.

Why not Ibadan....? How can somewhere from SE and SS who helped to build Lagos will miss out and somewhere like you and Tinubu from Osun will claim Lagos simply because the military added Lagos to SW. So Abuja would be the capital of the Gwaris? Lagos was protectorate of its own before the northern and southern Nigeria were merged. It has absolutely nothing to with the Yorubas, from Osun, Ekiti, Ondo and Oyo.

Even at that other regions would not mind if you take Lagos, but you have to compensate other regions with the investments from the FG. Other regions will also compensate you from the FG investments in their region as well.

Iamgrey5:
Lol

You are simply silly

Look at your silly claims

Osi,

Ajase,

sanlu

Omu (Omu Aran)

Those are the igbomina towns and they are scattered in both in Osun and Kwara state

Omu-Aran ,
Òbà, Ajasse Ipo , Eleju of Eju-land, Eku-Mesesan-Oro (Ijomu-Oro, Iddo-Oro, Okerimi-Oro, Afin-Oro, Okeola-Oro, Ibode-Oro, Otun-Oro, Iludun-0ro, Agbeola-Oro), Edidi (Edidi-ona, Edidi Idera, Edidi Oja) , Oke-Onigbin , Isanlu Isin , Ijara-Isin , Aran-Orin, Rore , Esiẹ ,
Omupo , Omugo , Ipetu-Igbomina ,
Igbaja , Ora, Oke-Ode, Owu-Isin, Oro-Ago, Ahun, Arandun, Shaare , Oke-Aba, Owode Ofaro, Ikosin

How many of those were mentioned in the Article?

Stop trying to be smarter than your shadow! Not all Igbominas were under the Emirate! It was only those within Ilorin province.

I have the read the entire length & breadth of that colonial book and in that book, the British largely called people based on the names of their prominent towns.
Osi was the most conspicuous town in Ekiti speaking Kwara, so it represented Ekiti & Oke-oro LGAs. Ajase, Omu Aran & Isanlu on the other hand rep Ifelodun, Irepodun & Isin LGAs.

So, what exactly is your headache and why are you listing all the Igbomina villages & Hamlet's all over Nigeria?
Pls I only like to engage in conversations with smart people.
Common sense should tell you that the Igbominas, Ekitis and others in present day Kwara state (northern Nigeria) found themselves there because they were under the influence of the Emirate!
Those in the SW were not.

The colonialists drew the map of Northern Nigeria to correspond with Emirates and people who were under the influence of Emirates.
That was the reason why even half of Edo north were classified under the Northern protectorate initially, but they were later adjusted into the South. Edo north (Auchi & Akoko Edo axis) largely came under the influence of Nupe-fulani jihadists.

Ekitis on the other hand have their people Ekiti in nearby Ekiti state and other Yorubas in Kogi.

And how on Earth does this relate with the points on ground? Don't I know this.

Yorubas in Kogi, Ebiras & Edo north were considered to be under the sphere of Nupe (Bida Emirate) influence and that was why they all found themselves under the Northern protectorate!

If you know anything about the ijesha parapo (including the Ekitis) alliance with Ilorin (Emirate) against ibadan, then you will realize why Ekitis ended up in Kwara state today.

Ok, please enlighten me with documents. I am always interested in knowledge.

And @ emboldened you claimed that Hausa language was spoken in Ilorin because majority of its people were non Yorubas or have you forgotten your own lie.

Yes, but does that make Yoruba a foreign language to Ilorin?

All the Hausa speakers in Ilorin were settlers for crying out loud. They were surrounded by Yoruba speaking communities on all fronts, so it was only a matter of time for them to be absorbed. Same way they were absorbed in Nupeland, Igalaland or elsewhere.

Ilorin Emirate was surrounded by Baribas to the East, Nupe to the north and Yoruba to the south. So how come Ilorin people who were majorly non Yorubas had to learn Yoruba to survive.

Shameless liar

Ogbeni stop trying to be smarter than yourself

Ilorin town is the topic in question as relating to Hausa language and not Ilorin emirate.
Or don't u know the difference between both?

Hausa fulanis did not settle all over the dozens of towns and villages that make up Ilorin Emirate!
Ilorin town was their abode, and from there they controlled all the other Yoruba towns & villages surrounding Ilorin town (within Ilorin Emirate) and down to the pagan areas south of Ilorin Emirate (Kwara south).

So there was no way in hell the Hausa speakers in Ilorin town could outlive all the dozens of Yoruba villages & settlements surrounding the town.

Yoruba villages surround Ilorin town! Baribas & Nupes border Ilorin Emirate to the north.

Pls abeg I am getting very very tired of schooling you. I only like to engage intelligent people.

Nowenuse:
Stop trying to be smarter than your shadow! Not all Igbominas were under the Emirate! It was only those within Ilorin province.

I have the read the entire length & breadth of that colonial book and in that book, the British largely called people based on the names of their prominent towns.
Osi was the most conspicuous town in Ekiti speaking Kwara, so it represented Ekiti & Oke-oro LGAs. Ajase, Omu Aran & Isanlu on the other hand rep Ifelodun, Irepodun & Isin LGAs.

So, what exactly is your headache and why are you listing all the Igbomina villages & Hamlet's all over Nigeria?
Pls I only like to engage in conversations with smart people.
Common sense should tell you that the Igbominas, Ekitis and others in present day Kwara state (northern Nigeria) found themselves there because they were under the influence of the Emirate!
Those in the SW were not.

The colonialists drew the map of Northern Nigeria to correspond with Emirates and people who were under the influence of Emirates.
That was the reason why even half of Edo north were classified under the Northern protectorate initially, but they were later adjusted into the South. Edo north (Auchi & Akoko Edo axis) largely came under the influence of Nupe-fulani jihadists.


And how on Earth does this relate with the points on ground? Don't I know this.

Yorubas in Kogi, Ebiras & Edo north were considered to be under the sphere of Nupe (Bida Emirate) influence and that was why they all found themselves under the Northern protectorate!


Ok, please enlighten me with documents. I am always interested in knowledge.


Yes, but does that make Yoruba a foreign language to Ilorin?

All the Hausa speakers in Ilorin were settlers for crying out loud. They were surrounded by Yoruba speaking communities on all fronts, so it was only a matter of time for them to be absorbed. Same way they were absorbed in Nupeland, Igalaland or elsewhere.



Ogbeni stop trying to be smarter than yourself

Ilorin town is the topic in question as relating to Hausa language and not Ilorin emirate.
Or don't u know the difference between both?

Hausa fulanis did not settle all over the dozens of towns and villages that make up Ilorin Emirate!
Ilorin town was their abode, and from there they controlled all the other Yoruba towns & villages surrounding Ilorin town (within Ilorin Emirate) and down to the pagan areas south of Ilorin Emirate (Kwara south).

So there was no way in hell the Hausa speakers in Ilorin town could outlive all the dozens of Yoruba villages & settlements surrounding the town.

Yoruba villages surround Ilorin town! Baribas & Nupes border Ilorin Emirate to the north.

Pls abeg I am getting very very tired of schooling you. I only like to engage intelligent people.

Slow as usual

Ilorin Emirate is not Ilorin town alone. Ilorin town is a creation of the Nigerian state. Ilorin Emirate included Asa, Ilorin and parts of Moro local government of today.

Education is free and you can google search the map of Kwara to get an understanding of how silly your claims are.

Ilorin Emirate was surrounded by Bariba, Nupe and Yoruba kingdoms, so if Hausa was the main language in Ilorin Emirate, how come the non Yorubas had to learn Yoruba language to survive in an environment that is full of diversity. They could have easily learnt Bariba or even Nupe languages.

In case you don't know about the alliance between Ilorin and Ijesha parapo, you are free to learn in the link.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalumi_War

The jalumi war would give you an insight to how Ekitis in particular ended up in Kwara state today.

Redcrafton:
Why not Ibadan....? How can somewhere from SE and SS who helped to build Lagos will miss out and somewhere like you and Tinubu from Osun will claim Lagos simply because the military added Lagos to SW. So Abuja would be the capital of the Gwaris? Lagos was protectorate of its own before the northern and southern Nigeria were merged. It has absolutely nothing to with the Yorubas, from Osun, Ekiti, Ondo and Oyo.

Even at that other regions would not mind if you take Lagos, but you have to compensate other regions with the investments from the FG. Other regions will also compensate you from the FG investments in their region as well.

No single SE or Northern were in Lagos as at 1900 because they were yet to be annexed to the British. War was still going on.

Hence, Lagos was already a developed city before they arrived. Fact

Train, electricity, banks, tramway, payed roads, houses with Victoria and Brazilian architectures, street lights, carter bridge, etc infrastructures were already in Lagos before other regions of SE and North were conquered. And the value of Lagos port was about 1m pounds despite the fact that SS had Calabar port functioning. Fact

There will be no compensation given because Lagos was already made long before other regions came. Facts.

forgiveness:
With who and whose resources?

Definitely, with only Yoruba's resources and Yoruba trained carpenters, cabinetmakers, masons, bricklayers and technically skilled artisans from Bahia.

Not one kobo from other regions contributed to the development of Lagos as at 1900 because other regions were yet to be conquered and annexed to British as at 1899/1900. Fact

No one kobo resources of other regions were imported or exported through Lagos as at 1900 because North & SE were yet to be conquered and annexed to the British empire, and SS resources were imported and exported through Calabar port.

By the time Lagos colony was merged with Southern Nigerian protectorate, Lagos was already a cosmopolitan city.


By 1872 Lagos was a cosmopolitan trading center with a population over 60,000. In the aftermath of prolonged wars between the mainland Yoruba states, the colony established a protectorate over most of Yorubaland between 1890 and 1897.



Colonial Lagos developed into a busy, cosmopolitan port, with an architecture that blended Victorian and Brazilian styles. The Brazilian element was imparted by skilled builders and masons who had returned from Brazil. The black elite was composed of English-speaking "Saros" from Sierra Leone and other emancipated slaves who had been repatriated from Brazil and Cuba. By 1872 the population of the colony was over 60,000, of whom less than 100 were of European origin. In 1876 imports were valued at £476,813 and exports at £619,260.

Redcrafton:
Why not Ibadan....? How can somewhere from SE and SS who helped to build Lagos will miss out and somewhere like you and Tinubu from Osun will claim Lagos simply because the military added Lagos to SW. So Abuja would be the capital of the Gwaris? Lagos was protectorate of its own before the northern and southern Nigeria were merged. It has absolutely nothing to with the Yorubas, from Osun, Ekiti, Ondo and Oyo.

Even at that other regions would not mind if you take Lagos, but you have to compensate other regions with the investments from the FG. Other regions will also compensate you from the FG investments in their region as well.

we don't owe other regions anything dear, what investments has FG made in Lagos in the last 30 years since the capital was moved to Abuja? It is the FG that owe other regions whatever you think or has FG's income been going to the Lagos state Govt even when Lagos was the capital.

You lots have problems in separating the Lagos state govt that has been from the 60s like the way other states were created from the FG itself. You think FG's income goes straight into our pockets as Yorubas, your sense of entitlement has always blinded you guys from simple truths

Lagos can never be yours no matter how long you cry!

spendoon:
You just mentioned tgit few but please check the number of countries that have their economic capital as their adminstrative capital to those that don't, besides Abuja is still young compered to lagLa but it will still over take Lagos at the rate it's developing

na oil money from Niger delta still dey make Abuja, the day this country will finally be restructured, Abuja will go dry. If Warri could become dry after Shell relocated, wetin Abuja get!

Goke7:
we don't owe other regions anything dear, what investments has FG made in Lagos in the last 30 years since the capital was moved to Abuja? It is the FG that owe other regions whatever you think or has FG's income been going to the Lagos state Govt even when Lagos was the capital.

You lots have problems in separating the Lagos state govt that has been from the 60s like the way other states were created from the FG itself. You think FG's income goes straight into our pockets as Yorubas, your sense of entitlement has always blinded you guys from simple truths

Lagos can never be yours no matter how long you cry!

You are joking aren't you....

This FG brigde in Lagos, is worth more than 1 trillion naira in today's value...so what has FG moving out of Lagos for the past 30 years got to do with it?

Nobody is disputing Ikorodu, Epe and Badagry with the indigenes..

forgiveness:
No single SE or Northern were in Lagos as at 1900 because they were yet to be annexed to the British. War was still going on.

Hence, Lagos was already a developed city before they arrived. Fact

Train, electricity, banks, tramway, payed roads, houses with Victoria and Brazilian architectures, street lights, carter bridge, etc infrastructures were already in Lagos before other regions of SE and North were conquered. And the value of Lagos port was about 1m pounds despite the fact that SS had Calabar port functioning. Fact

There will be no compensation given because Lagos was already made long before other regions came. Facts.

No single SE or Northern were in Lagos as at 1900 because they were yet to be annexed to the British. War was still going on.

See for yourself....

Redcrafton:
You are joking aren't you....

This FG brigde in Lagos, is worth more than 1 trillion naira in today's value...so what has FG moving out of Lagos for the past 30 years got to do with it?

Nobody is disputing Ikorodu, Epe and Badagry with the indigenes..

go and meet FG to build your own, what ever the FG did in Lagos years ago, they have also over recouped from Lagos and still recouping, no be our fault, na God

Goke7:
go and meet FG to build your own, what ever the FG did in Lagos years ago, they have also over recouped from Lagos and still recouping, no be our fault, na God

You are really funny and childish...and everyone know you are joking.

Redcrafton:
You are really funny and childish...and everyone know you are joking.

you are the childish one wanting what does not belong to you

Iamgrey5:
I still don't get why you are celebrating tbh

What is point of your victory lap

Clown.

Weren't you the one asking for Ekiti numbers in the hope that you will do better than Ekiti state.

And did we not eventually do better than Ekiti?

Ekiti with a population of 2 million plus is doing better than Plateau

Abia with a population of two million plus is dusting Plateau

You know I actually thought u were a smart person, but now I know better.

So, upon the way I have been stressing the fact that the population of a state does not correspond to the population of Indigenes of that state, you mean it has been entering one ear and leaving the other?

Why is Lagos (the most populated state in Nigeria) ranking among the fewest figures in Southern Nigeria?

Your problem don pass my power abeg.
Go and request for a refund of your tuition fees.

Abi you need glasses to see these facts

.And I thought you said Fulani/Muslims are your main problem in Plateau but you are now referencing Nasarawa with an Emir as your preferred reference to show the education prowess of your people.

The main ethnic groups in Nasarawa State are Aguta, Alago, Basa, Ebira, Eggon, Gbagyi, Gwandara, Fulani, Kanuri and Tiv. [copied]

Nasarawa has the Kanuri, Ebira, and Tiv, Fulani you love to hate.

You even once said here on Nairaland that you hate Egon people because they are just as proud as the igbos.

https://smileprojectnigeria.crs.org/?page_id=98

Bro you deserve a degree in dishonesty.

You went to copy a link about Nasarawa from people who could not even spell Agatu well?
They spelt it as AGUTA.
A link that did not even mention MADA as one of the major groups in Nasarawa state?

Mada people who own the whole of Akwanga LGA with Akwanga town (the 2nd biggest town in the state)?
Yet they listed Ebira people who only exist in Toto LGA as a minority and share that LGA with Bassas, Gbagyis & Gades.

So pls tell me what you meant to prove by copying and pasting any random online Link about Nasarawa.

It seems like you don't know that most Nigerians don't even know the true ethno-religious compositions of their states or country. Let alone foreigners. Especially in minority areas like ours, most people don't know outside their LGAs. We do not have official research documents capturing all these things to the smallest detail, neither do we have these things taught in schools.
If I ask the governor of Plateau state for example to list all the over 50 ethnic groups that make up Plateau state, he would never be able to do it.
Knowing these things take years of serious personal research and efforts.

I have been in the field of knowing the demography of my people for the last 10 years, yet till date I discover new facts I never knew about certain ethnic groups.

Joshua Project Nigeria & Ethnologue have been the best authorities who have tried to capture the best representation of ethnicities in Nigeria.

https://joshuaproject.net/countries/NI

Personally I have learnt from them. But even with all their efforts, they still have uncountable errors which I have discovered among my people.

Anyway, that aside. Plateau state have far more Hausa fulani Kanuris than Nasarawa state does! Only the Hausa fulanis in Jos will outnumber those in Lafia, Keffi & Nasarawa town combined.
The only difference is that Plateau Indigenes are 85% Christian so we heavily resist Hausa fulanis unlike Nasarawa Indigenes that are 70% Christian, so they resist less.
Nasarawa state has 3 Emirates, Plateau has 2-3 Emirates too. Southern Kaduna Indigenes who are 90% Christian also have 3 Emirates too!
So Emirates in no way change Nasarawa state!

Most Nasarawa Indigene Muslims are not even under Emirates! Alago, Afo, Gwandara, Eggon, Ebira, Gade muslims are under chiefdoms together with their Christian Brothers.

So if you don't know anything about Nasarawa state, kindly ask.
Nasarawa & Plateau people were in the same state for 30 years.

Furthermore, It's a known fact(an open secret) that the big Kano population is as a result of immigrants from other parts of Hausa land but this takes nothing away from their jamb figures.

Yes it does, cos majority of the people who now claim Kano indigeneship are not Indigenes of Kano.
Imagine if majority of Yoruba settlers in Lagos claimed Lagos as their state of origin for jamb, will Lagos figures not be x3 of Imo state?
That is what Kano is.

The Kano and the Kaduna figures shows Hausa from that side take education seriously than the rest of Hausa land. The brightess Hausa brains always come from Kano or Kaduna e.g. Sanusi, fomer senator Sanni etc.

Even in Yoruba land and Igbo land, states like Osun, Abia Imo and Ekiti are doing better than the rest of their peers in Education when one factor in their population.

My friend! no matter how hard you try to rewrite this data and twist facts to your advantage, the facts still remains that you and the educational minded Hausas in Kaduna and Kano are moving at a similar pace when it comes to education.

As for the south west, your people still have a decade of catching up to do.

No, you are wrong. It is not possible for people of the same ethnic group who have been sharing the same social space, intermarriage and everything together for decades to have a very wide margin of literacy rate and other social factors! Impossible.

At most, the margin would be small. Compare Oyo & Ekiti figures in the jamb list, you will see that Oyo is more than twice the number of Ekiti. This is simply a reflection of the Indigenous population!

People of the same ethnic group or regional group who have the same cultures/mentality always do things together.
The influence always spread on each other and the people evolve together.
There is no way that Kano state would be recording increasingly high figures while their next door neighbor Jigawa with whom they shared the same state with for decades is not growing in the same pace.

Can't you see Nasarawa, Plateau & Southern Kaduna? We are one people and if you compare the figures of these 3 states, u will see that they are growing in the same pace!
This is because we are not feeding off each other the way Kano is feeding off other Hausa states.

Most Nasarawa middle-class people live in Jos or Kaduna and that is why their state had a lower population in 2006 census, but Nasarawa Indigenes will never use Plateau or Kaduna as their state of indigeneship when writing jamb. That is why you can see their jamb figures giving us from Plateau & Southern Kaduna a hot chase.

Why are neighbouring Katsina & Jigawa not giving Kano a hot chase? Simple.
Cos most Katsina & Jigawa people living in Kano city will use Kano as their state of origin!
So, Kano is growing in jamb figures disproportionately because it is feeding off other Hausa states.

Kaduna on the other hand is growing mostly because of Southern Kaduna people! Then, the Hausa settlers from other states who also claim Kaduna.
If we should follow people like you and attribute Kaduna growth numbers to Hausa fulani muslims, the equally growing numbers of neighbouring Plateau & Nasarawa (Southern Kaduna's siblings) will embarass you and put you to instant shame!
What happened to the parable of 'show me your friend and I will tell you who you are'?

Southern Kaduna, Plateau & Nasarawa are like triplets. We have a similar number of Indigenes and Landmass.

And the most embarrassing part of this comparison is that Southern Kaduna Indigenes are more Christian than Plateau & Nasarawa Indigenes.
So, how in hell will Plateau & Nasarawa with more muslim indigenes be growing in number while Southern Kaduna is not?

Can't you see how you are now embarrassing yourself with your assertion?

There is no Indigenous tribe in Southern Kaduna that is muslim majority, but Plateau state has 3 tribes that are muslim majority.
Funny enough, Nasarawa has only 1 tribe that is muslim majority (Ebira) , although they have many others that are 50-50 and ⅓ muslims unlike Plateau.

People will start taking Hausas seriously when Zamfara, Kebbi, Sokoto, Jigawa & Katsina figures start rising at same level with Kano.

Anybody that uses Kaduna state figures to judge Hausa fulani literacy rate is on a long thing!
Kaduna state has the highest population of Christians in Northern Nigeria after Benue. This is something many people don't know, they think it is Plateau state. Just because Plateau is a Christian majority state.

Redcrafton:
Why not Ibadan....? How can somewhere from SE and SS who helped to build Lagos will miss out and somewhere like you and Tinubu from Osun will claim Lagos simply because the military added Lagos to SW. So Abuja would be the capital of the Gwaris? Lagos was protectorate of its own before the northern and southern Nigeria were merged. It has absolutely nothing to with the Yorubas, from Osun, Ekiti, Ondo and Oyo.

Even at that other regions would not mind if you take Lagos, but you have to compensate other regions with the investments from the FG. Other regions will also compensate you from the FG investments in their region as well.

You are a clown ..
Tell us about Lagos protectorate

Iamgrey5:
Slow as usual

Ilorin Emirate is not Ilorin town. Ilorin town is a creation of Nigerian state. Ilorin Emirate included Asa, Ilorin and parts of Moro local government of today.

Education is free and you can google search the map of Kwara to get an understanding of how silly your claims are.

Ilorin Emirate was surrounded by Bariba, Nupe and Yoruba kingdoms, so if Hausa was the main language in Ilorin Emirate, how come the non Yorubas had to learn Yoruba to survive in that environment. They could have learnt Bariba or even Hausa.

In case you don't know about the alliance of Ilorin and ijesha parapo, you are free to learn in the link.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalumi_War

The jalumi war would give you an insight to how Ekitis in particular ended up in Kwara state today.

Die this argument ...
It doesn't make sense at all..
You'd be going back and forth forever .

There are bigger fishes to fry bruv

Redcrafton:
You are joking aren't you....

This FG brigde in Lagos, is worth more than 1 trillion naira in today's value...so what has FG moving out of Lagos for the past 30 years got to do with it?

Nobody is disputing Ikorodu, Epe and Badagry with the indigenes..

So how much is 2nd Niger bridge ??
So it is Lagos Island you want

Covidodo:
Die this argument ...
It doesn't make sense at all..
You'd be going back and forth forever .

There are bigger fishes to fry bruv

I think you are right

The dude will never give up, I am sure he is tirelessly working hard on the internet to get" proofs" to back another wacky of his claims..

Redcrafton:
No single SE or Northern were in Lagos as at 1900 because they were yet to be annexed to the British. War was still going on.

See for yourself....

Is that 1900

Redcrafton:
No single SE or Northern were in Lagos as at 1900 because they were yet to be annexed to the British. War was still going on.

See for yourself....

My point still stands.

Lagos had telephone (1886), new paper publication house (1896), Banks (1894 & 1899), electricity (1896), Tramway system (1901), carter bridge (1901), Lagos - Ibadan train (1900), paved roads with cars etc before other tribes stepped a foot in Lagos as at 19001, and only SW money was used to accomplish these, not SS, SE nor Northerner money

Show me 1900 immigrant stats.

Covidodo:
Is that 1900

The boy na olodo.

Iamgrey5:
Slow as usual

Ilorin Emirate is not Ilorin town. Ilorin town is a creation of Nigerian state. Ilorin Emirate included Asa, Ilorin and parts of Moro local government of today.

Education is free and you can google search the map of Kwara to get an understanding of how silly your claims are.

Ilorin Emirate was surrounded by Bariba, Nupe and Yoruba kingdoms, so if Hausa was the main language in Ilorin Emirate, how come the non Yorubas had to learn Yoruba to survive in that environment. They could have learnt Bariba or even Hausa.

You know that you have been embarrassed with facts and now u are trying to create a safe landing for yourself by forcing words into my mouth.

Can you kindly show me where I ever said that Hausa language was dominant in Ilorin Emirate?
Show me or forever cover your face in shame!
Small ignorant boy.

I said ILORIN TOWN!

Shao, Jebba, Lanwa, Malete, Owode, Ejidongari, Onire, Afon, Paiye, Oloru e.t.c are all pure Yoruba towns under Ilorin Emirate (Asa & Moro LGAs) which surround Ilorin town...

How on Earth can anyone ever claim Ilorin Emirate with all these Yoruba towns were dominantly Hausa speaking?

Oga go and hide your face in shame and stop forcing words into my mouth. I know the difference between Ilorin town & Ilorin Emirate and I can never mistake both for each other not even in my sleep.

In case you don't know about the alliance of Ilorin and ijesha parapo, you are free to learn in the link.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalumi_War

The jalumi war would give you an insight to how Ekitis in particular ended up in Kwara state today.

Okay, thank you for the link. I always love learning.