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| John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by mcthewills(op): 9:06am On Apr 30, 2020 |
One particular bible verse always presented in defense of trinity is John 1:1. Does this bible verse lead credence to the believe in trinity? First of all, I have carefully considered the words of the scripture because I very well believe that the identity of christ is a very valuable christian truth. To be a christian means to be christ like. It gets difficult to claim christianity when the identity of christ we proclaim is obscured to us. This articular desires to answer the question, Does John 1:1 prove that Jesus Christ is God almighty? Before I proceed, I want to clearly point out that everyone has the right to his believe and everyone should also weigh his believe in the light of objective thinking. Please lets whoever who desire to comment refrain from name calling. There is also no need to be aggressive over others who share a different believe from ourselves. Also atheist amongst us, please respect our right to believe in God. You dont need to comment if this doesn't interest you. The issue of trinity have been of heated debate for centuries. Here are some bible verses put forward by those who holds this beleive 1. John 1:1 : In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (New International version) 2. Philipian 2:5,6 : You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 3. Isaiah 9:6 : For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Here are some verses by those who oppose trinity 1. 1 cor 11:3 : But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 2. John 14:28 : "You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 3. Rev 1:1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him [/b]to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John [b]John 1:1 In order to understand John 1:1 we must first see how the word God is used in the Bible. God is not a person. God is a title. That is why there are many gods. The word god means mighty one. 1 Corinthians 8: 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him“. While one can see the separation of the person Jesus from God the father here in this scripture, I used the scripture to point out that the word God was a title. Man can be called gods. The True God called men gods. Psalm 82: 5 “They do not know, nor do they understand;They are walking about in darkness;All the foundations of the earth are being shaken. 6 “I have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. 7 But you will die just as men do; And like any other prince you will fall!”. Now that we know that the word God is a TITLE, we may have greater understanding of John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made. King James Version rendered today. Translations by James Moffatt, Edgar J. Goodspeed and Hugh J. Schonfield render part of the verse as "...the Word [Logos] was divine". Murray J. Harris writes, [It] is clear that in the translation "the Word was God", the term God is being used to denote his nature or essence, and not his person. But in normal English usage "God" is a proper noun, referring to the person of the Father or corporately to the three persons of the Godhead. Moreover, "the Word was God" suggests that "the Word" and "God" are convertible terms, that the proposition is reciprocating. But the Word is neither the Father nor the Trinity … The rendering cannot stand without explanation."[15] Look at how this scripture was rendered in some other bible translations 1808: "and the Word was a god" – Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London. 1822: "and the Word was a god" – The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.) 1829: "and the Word was a god" – The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829) 1911: "and [a] God was the word" – The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[17] 1924: "the Logos was divine" – The Bible: James Moffatt Translation, by James Moffatt.[18] 1935: "and the Word was divine" – The Bible: An American Translation, by John M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed, Chicago.[19] 1955: "so the Word was divine" – The Authentic New Testament, by Hugh J. Schonfield, Aberdeen.[20]. Knowing that men are called gods or mighty ones, it is no small measure to call Jesus a god, but he is not the one True God. Jesus admits this himself and this is the message that John promoted by writing this verse. John 20: 17 Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”. And also is 1 cor 11:3 : But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. To say that Christ is equal to Almighty God will be to go against several verses in the scripture such as those above and many others |
| Re: John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by Aeman(m): 1:05pm On Apr 30, 2020 |
My lord and my God |
| Re: John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by Janosky: 12:10am On Aug 05, 2020 |
Aeman:Jesus Christ himself quashed that FRAUD yakata. @ Revelations 3:5,12 and John 20:17. If you believe your employees have authority over you, their employer who employs them , na your own problem be that. ![]() |
| Re: John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by DrLiveLogic(m): 5:22am On Aug 05, 2020*. Modified: 4:21pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
JWs, you've been made to believe so many lies. I will make sure I have you guys' time shortly so that I'll deal with all heresy. For now, chew this and respond to these claims. Understand that Toby McGuire may act as Peter Parker and Spiderman in a movie but if for that, when watching the movie, you now say he's no more Toby McGuire, it means you're uninformed and in denial. The Word came to act the role of son of Man and son of God to make men sons of God but He will always be the only true Word and God. So no matter how many scriptures you quote of he's role as son of Man and son of God, separating Him from His Godhead, you can never take away His Godhead and the worship of Him. Now read and understand the following six posts and tell if the bible is lying #1 NUMBER OF GOD |
| Re: John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by DrLiveLogic(m): 5:23am On Aug 05, 2020*. Modified: 4:23pm On Aug 24, 2020 |
#2 JUDGMENT OF GOD |
| Re: John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by DrLiveLogic(m): 5:24am On Aug 05, 2020 |
#3 THE THRONE OF GOD |
| Re: John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by DrLiveLogic(m): 5:25am On Aug 05, 2020 |
#4 WORSHIP OF GOD |
| Re: John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by DrLiveLogic(m): 5:27am On Aug 05, 2020 |
#5 Creator of Heavens and Earth vs created angels (is Jesus an angel?) |
| Re: John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by DrLiveLogic(m): 5:30am On Aug 05, 2020 |
Meanwhile, let's do a quick one on whether Jesus is angel Michael. |
| Re: John Chapter 1:1 And The Trinitarian Dogma by Dtruthspeaker: 6:58am On Aug 05, 2020 |
Most people do not really understand that The Lord God is Truly "the Word or Words that The All-Mighty Spoke! When The Mighty Spoke, "Let there be Light" Christ Came Forth out! The Holy Spirit is the Countenance of the The Mighty! Therefore, Both The Word which Proceedeth from the Mouth of the Mighty (Spoken Word) and the Countenance of the Mighty, are One, because They Come from One, The Mighty Himself! Just as You are you already, your word or words is still you (hence, why we say "I took You, by your words") and your countenance is still you. And naturally, your word is less than you and you are greater than your countenance! |
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