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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Dollabiz: 4:18pm On Apr 30, 2020
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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Razy75g: 4:20pm On Apr 30, 2020
Yenefer:
Now if I said anything like the CBN governor is a criminal, corrupt they will tag me tribalistic. But even I said so. u and I know I-pigs that the CBN governor is a criminal and corrupt
pls shut up for once and make sense cos u no get am

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by BruncleZuma: 4:22pm On Apr 30, 2020
kikero:


Well the oil prices have been on a downward trend for some time (Brent was $63 in December 2019, now $24.51).

Add the fact that our breakeven oil price, the price that oil should be for Nigeria to have a surplus budget is $139 per barrel.

At the end of the day, our reserves will fall. If we wanted to raise our reserves right now, government would be owing everyone salaries, senators inclusive, and it would be finding it difficult to pay for bills.

Buhari is not a good leader, granted, but he wasn't responsible for making Nigeria's economy oil dependent either.


Actually he was; Buhari was our Minister of Petroleum after we ended the Civil War and during the Iranian Revolution when the price of oil skyrocketed ...in the early years of our dependency on oil , himself and his band of merry gentlemen made sure we focused on oil because of the quick gains. He was also responsible for that abomination called the Kaduna Refinery despite it being a harebrained idea.

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Nobody: 4:32pm On Apr 30, 2020
BruncleZuma:


Actually he was, Minister of Petroleum in the early years of our dependency on oil , himself and his band of merry gentlemen made sure we focused on oil because of the quick gains.

In the late 1970's we still earned a lot from agriculture...the oil dependency though was rising.

Plus as Minister of Petroleum, Bubu won't have been the one writing economic policy then. That would have been the job of the Minister of Economic development/finance.(a certain M.T Akubo)

In my opinion, though the problem with Nigeria's economy is that we always look for something to sell, share the revenue, and use the revenue to import stuff at a value higher than the value of our exports. And with the high oil prices of 1973-82, that was very easy to do with oil .We have been doing that since independence. In the 1960's it was agriculture, today, oil.

(Buhari, since he came in had the chance to change course...in 2015, starting with removing fuel subsidies completely....and removing power subsides...but he didn't. Old economic habits die hard)
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by galadima77(m): 4:36pm On Apr 30, 2020
sammysmiles:
I I should be insulting government every day what's the probability if I enter government I will not be worst?

Until then, we have to keep criticizing constructively with utmost loyalty to the state and not persons in power.

It will be unpatriotic not to.

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by sammysmiles(m): 4:41pm On Apr 30, 2020
galadima77:


Until then, we have to keep criticizing constructively with utmost loyalty to the state and not persons in power.

It will be unpatriotic not to.
But our criticisms does not always change anything
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Bevista: 4:52pm On Apr 30, 2020
kikero:


Certainly.

One of the reasons why we have a reserve is for times like this...

The problem is, for how long can we rely on the reserve? Part of the reason why we are taking loans is because we don't want to eat too much into the reserve.

That's why Nigeria should stop relying on selling oil, and selling agric produce and minerals. Best to sell industrial products.

Unfortunately, you're not entirely correct. The Foreign Reserves is used by the CBN primarily for balance of payment. Basically, that means using the dollars to support importers, travellers, foreign students, foreign investors who want to repatriate their funds, etc. The FG doesn't just go there to withdraw. It's not a "savings account" of the FG.

So, this is how it works. FG total revenue from oil sales for April is - say - $500 million. The money is paid into an FG account with CBN. CBN then gives the FG a Naira equivalent of that amount. The CBN keeps the $500m so it can use to support imports and other international transactions. The FG has collected all its money in Naira. It cannot just go back to withdraw dollars again.

Foreign Reserves drop when the average inflow is less than outflow. Since Nigeria is an import- dependent nation, there's always demand for USD to meet those import demands. At any time the USD supply reduces but the demand is still constant or even increases, the Reserves will start to drop.

The Truth is - the only reason why the Reserves has not dropped far beyond that is the fact that the global economy is on shutdown and international borders are closed, so there's no much import transactions happening.

iluvdonjazzy

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by BruncleZuma: 5:11pm On Apr 30, 2020
kikero:


In the late 1970's we still earned a lot from agriculture...the oil dependency though was rising.

Plus as Minister of Petroleum, Bubu won't have been the one writing economic policy then. That would have been the job of the Minister of Economic development/finance.(a certain M.T Akubo)

In my opinion, though the problem with Nigeria's economy is that we always look for something to sell, share the revenue, and use the revenue to import stuff at a value higher than the value of our exports. And with the high oil prices of 1973-82, that was very easy to do with oil .We have been doing that since independence. In the 1960's it was agriculture, today, oil.

(Buhari, since he came in had the chance to change course...in 2015, starting with removing fuel subsidies completely....and removing power subsides...but he didn't. Old economic habits die hard)

Trust me, every literature puts our decline from his tenure

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by wink2015(m): 5:17pm On Apr 30, 2020
NORTHERN NIGERIA GO AND FACE AGRICULTURE

Niger delta region have SPOONFED AND BREASTMILKED the north beyond all human sense of reasoning.

Must the north DRY - THE - BOTTOM -POT BEFORE going to tap into the resources in their home land.

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by OmoManU: 5:19pm On Apr 30, 2020
Yenefer:
Now if I said anything like the CBN governor is a criminal, corrupt they will tag me tribalistic. But even I said so. u and I know I-pigs that the CBN governor is a criminal and corrupt

you should not be talking like an illiterate on a public forum like this, even if the CBN gov is allegedly corrupt as perceived by you, not to the extent of stealing money recklessly as you'd like to think, there are checks and balances all over the places, so let us always be guided in whatever you post online

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by iluvdonjazzy: 5:20pm On Apr 30, 2020
Bevista:
Unfortunately, you're not entirely correct. The Foreign Reserves is used by the CBN primarily for balance of payment. Basically, that means using the dollars to support importers, travellers, foreign students, foreign investors who want to repatriate their funds, etc. The FG doesn't just go there to withdraw. It's not a "savings account" of the FG.

So, this is how it works. FG total revenue from oil sales L for April is - say - $500 million. The money is paid into an FG account with CBN. CBN then gives the FG a Naira equivalent of that amount. The CBN keeps the $500m so it can use to support imports and other international transactions. The FG has collected all its money in Naira. It cannot just go back to withdraw dollars again.

Foreign Reserves drop when the average inflow is more than outflow. Since Nigeria is an import- dependent nation, there's always demand for USD to meet those import demands. At any time the USD supply reduces but the demand is still constant or even increases, the Reserves will start to drop.

The Truth is - the only reason why the Reserves has not dropped far beyond that is the fact that the global economy is on shutdown and international borders are closed, so there's no much import transactions happening.ok I see, thanks alot for the detailed explanation, Kikero thank you too a lot of people might have learnt from here too.

iluvdonjazzy
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by geraldswallow: 5:23pm On Apr 30, 2020
Shit hole they have not seen anything. One day the people will revolt and they can deploy all the forces they have but it will not save, hunger is coming and maybe it will be start of a new country. Shit hole
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by fid4fid: 5:29pm On Apr 30, 2020
Yankee101:
Lol. Dollar 500+

And we've been shutdown for the last 4weeks

Imagine when the economies open and demand for dollar begins

Convert Yahoo boys to IT specialists and earn FX

Guy, you think say this money go hit 500? The thing been drop to 455 this morning ... I come dey regret why I rush convert my small "change" to USD at 460 on Monday.

I been sey reason say if market open thing fit worse, but again CBN fit start to dey sell dollar give BDC to stabilize naira.

What you think?
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by omonnakoda: 5:33pm On Apr 30, 2020
kikero:


Certainly.

One of the reasons why we have a reserve is for times like this...

The problem is, for how long can we rely on the reserve? Part of the reason why we are taking loans is because we don't want to eat too much into the reserve.

That's why Nigeria should stop relying on selling oil, and selling agric produce and minerals. Best to sell industrial products.


This is a common mistake people make.

Foreign reserves are not government funds or savings.
Foreign reserves are CBN funds.
When dollar Foreign reserves go down it means the CBN is selling more dollars than it is buying.
If Foreign reserves have dipped by $ 5 billion then the CBN has acquired the NAIRA EQUIVALENT.

E.g. When Nigeria sells oil for $1 billion and exchanges it for Naira with the CBN the $1 billion goes to the CBN balance sheet and the CBN issues naira in return which the government spends . Clearly the $1 billion no longer belongs to the government but the CBN. The Naira is essentially a CBN DEBT backed up by foreign reserves and any other assets that the CBN owns.

All of us carrying naira in our pockets are essentially creditors of the CBN and own a proportionate share of the Foreign reserves.

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by chigoizie7(m): 5:35pm On Apr 30, 2020
And as it keeps shedding, the more the exchange rates changes and devalues. And it will keep shedding as long as our BOP is going down as a result of decrease in the prices of oil. Let us also get ready for inflation. Since we depend solely on imported goods.
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by fid4fid: 5:41pm On Apr 30, 2020
Bevista:
Unfortunately, you're not entirely correct. The Foreign Reserves is used by the CBN primarily for balance of payment. Basically, that means using the dollars to support importers, travellers, foreign students, foreign investors who want to repatriate their funds, etc. The FG doesn't just go there to withdraw. It's not a "savings account" of the FG.

So, this is how it works. FG total revenue from oil sales L for April is - say - $500 million. The money is paid into an FG account with CBN. CBN then gives the FG a Naira equivalent of that amount. The CBN keeps the $500m so it can use to support imports and other international transactions. The FG has collected all its money in Naira. It cannot just go back to withdraw dollars again.

Foreign Reserves drop when the average inflow is more than outflow. Since Nigeria is an import- dependent nation, there's always demand for USD to meet those import demands. At any time the USD supply reduces but the demand is still constant or even increases, the Reserves will start to drop.

The Truth is - the only reason why the Reserves has not dropped far beyond that is the fact that the global economy is on shutdown and international borders are closed, so there's no much import transactions happening.

iluvdonjazzy

Bro, e be like say you sabi this money matter well.

Abeg make I ask, if market open next week, you think say demand for USD by importers go fit make the rate pass 460 so?

I no be speculator o! I just wanna know w go make sense to hold my small change wey I don convert to USD or to reconvert to Naira. E go pain me well say I buy at 460 then CBN intervene the money come go down to 415.

Abeg school me. The Coro period no be time loose kobo.
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by fid4fid: 5:45pm On Apr 30, 2020
chigoizie7:
And as it keeps shedding, the more the exchange rates changes and devalues. And it will keep shedding as long as our BOP is going down as a result of decrease in the prices of oil. Let us also get ready for inflation. Since we depend solely on imported goods.

You mean as reserve dey go down dollar rate go dey high?

That means this money go shot pass 460 na?

But what of that money wey IMF give them? E no go help balance reserve?
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by AngelicBeing: 5:50pm On Apr 30, 2020
sassysure:
One of the strength of every country especially developing countries is foreign reserve.
Make they kukuma finish the whole thing na.
Buhari has bad luck written all over him since the1980s.

They said if some people enter in a house, their aura make it glow while when some enter the same house, it look haunted.
Buhari's aura has been haunting Nigeria. Very bad market. Those way dey go see those people wey dey see future, none of them told them.buhari is bad market?

From being a robot( the drama surrounding him even make me doubt if he is alive) to being a burden.
cool
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Urchman200: 6:05pm On Apr 30, 2020
Yenefer:
Now if I said anything like the CBN governor is a criminal, corrupt they will tag me tribalistic. But even I said so. u and I know I-pigs that the CBN governor is a criminal and corrupt
save yourself the stress and say it the way it's. This administration is recklessly corrupt.

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Yankee101: 6:05pm On Apr 30, 2020
fid4fid:


Guy, you think say this money go hit 500? The thing been drop to 455 this morning ... I come dey regret why I rush convert my small "change" to USD at 460 on Monday.

I been sey reason say if market open thing fit worse, but again CBN fit start to dey sell dollar give BDC to stabilize naira.

What you think?

If the market opens and they try selling too much USD to control rates the country will be broke in 90days


They'll allow some free market play, cut imports massively.

Gtb reduced dollar transactions from 3k to 1k to 500$ within the last 40days
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by sulaak(m): 6:07pm On Apr 30, 2020
kikero:


Certainly.

One of the reasons why we have a reserve is for times like this...

The problem is, for how long can we rely on the reserve? Part of the reason why we are taking loans is because we don't want to eat too much into the reserve.

That's why Nigeria should stop relying on selling oil, and selling agric produce and minerals. Best to sell industrial products.


Industrial produce requires electricity, good roads, rails, petrochemical plants, steel plant, storage facilities, aluminium smelter plants and many more primary infrastructures and factories. Nigeria is selling oil because that is the only products that they can produce.
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by fid4fid: 6:14pm On Apr 30, 2020
Yankee101:


If market opens and they try selling too much USD to control rates the country will be broke in 90days


They'll allow some free market play, cut imports massively.

Gtb reduced dollars transactions from 3k to 1k to 500$ within the last 40days

You know say for this mini -importation we do.. usd dey important well.

As I buy dollar 460 this week...use the money buy things from abroad to sell...So in 3 weeks time, I go still dey on safe side and my wares and prices go still dey competitive.

My fear be say if dollar come fall to 430 next week, those wey import at 430 go sell pass me because their goods dey cheaper.

Abeg reason the matter with me... I no too go school.
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Yankee101: 6:15pm On Apr 30, 2020
Governor, oil minister, head of state, petroleum trust fund chairman, president first term, now second term president....


Please if he's not part of the dependency culture on oil then who is the cause of the problem?

kikero:


Well the oil prices have been on a downward trend for some time (Brent was $63 in December 2019, now $24.51).

Add the fact that our breakeven oil price, the price that oil should be for Nigeria to have a surplus budget is $139 per barrel.

At the end of the day, our reserves will fall. If we wanted to raise our reserves right now, government would be owing everyone salaries, senators inclusive, and it would be finding it difficult to pay for bills.

Buhari is not a good leader, granted, but he wasn't responsible for making Nigeria's economy oil dependent either.

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Yankee101: 6:18pm On Apr 30, 2020
fid4fid:


You know say for this mini -importation we do.. usd dey important well.

As I buy dollar 460 this week...use the money buy things from abroad to sell...So in 3 weeks time, I go still dey on safe side and my wares and prices go still dey competitive.

My fear be say if dollar come fall to 430 next week, those wey import at 430 go sell pass me because their goods dey cheaper.

Abeg reason the matter with me... I no too go school.

If you have friends abroad ask them to help you with their remittances. Guys are building houses now before inflation sets in. We still send money to naija at 375.

If una trust each other you can get USD at 400, they'll pay for your goods from here and you credit their naija accounts with naira
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by iluvdonjazzy: 6:20pm On Apr 30, 2020
Bevista:
Unfortunately, you're not entirely correct. The Foreign Reserves is used by the CBN primarily for balance of payment. Basically, that means using the dollars to support importers, travellers, foreign students, foreign investors who want to repatriate their funds, etc. The FG doesn't just go there to withdraw. It's not a "savings account" of the FG.

So, this is how it works. FG total revenue from oil sales L for April is - say - $500 million. The money is paid into an FG account with CBN. CBN then gives the FG a Naira equivalent of that amount. The CBN keeps the $500m so it can use to support imports and other international transactions. The FG has collected all its money in Naira. It cannot just go back to withdraw dollars again.

Foreign Reserves drop when the average inflow is more than outflow. Since Nigeria is an import- dependent nation, there's always demand for USD to meet those import demands. At any time the USD supply reduces but the demand is still constant or even increases, the Reserves will start to drop.

The Truth is - the only reason why the Reserves has not dropped far beyond that is the fact that the global economy is on shutdown and international borders are closed, so there's no much import transactions happening.ok I see, thanks alot for the detailed explanation, Kikero thank you too a lot of people might have learnt from here too.

iluvdonjazzy
that is to say the more dollars you have determines the naira you print.
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Nobody: 6:35pm On Apr 30, 2020
Yankee101:
Governor, oil minister, head of state, petroleum trust fund chairman, president first term, now second term president....


Please if he's not part of the dependency culture on oil then who is the cause of the problem?






N.B I am not defending Buhari, or excusing bad governance.


The cause of the problem is simple. Nigeria is a resource dependent country. We depend on what we sell to make revenue, and we make matters worse by importing stuff whose value is way more than the value of what we export.

Compounding matters is the fact that the price of what we sell is not controlled by us, but by external factors.

What is happening now in Nigeria is a symptom of the problem. When the price of what we sell is high, we live well, when the price falls, we live badly.

The problem with Nigerians too is that when we vote for a leader, we are looking for someone who would share the revenue adequately. The fact that the revenue is not enough in the first place because a) we don't control the price b) price fluctuaitons make the revenue jump up and down c) we import and import because it is easier to do so, rather than take the hard road to develop an industrial sector that exports d) our population is too high.

Today our major earner is oil. Yesterday it was agriculture and minerals...and back when it was agriculture and minerals, we had to sell a lot to keep our economy well fed and well kept. And we can't go back to agriculture because everyone does it, and we have to compete with the agricultural sector of developed countries who are overproducing anyway.

That's why I don't regard any Nigerian leader as good. And Nigerians too need to stop looking at our economy as a national cake and start looking at it as 'how do we produce for the world, and earn a big income too??'

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Profmaojo: 6:46pm On Apr 30, 2020
kikero:


Simple.

1.We cut subsides on petrol completely, and allow marketers set the price.

2.This brings in more investment in refineries and in gas production facilities

3.This improves power supply

4.Which means more factories and industries would be set up

5.Which means more jobs, and more income for the government.
you are really enlighten sir..please may I ask who the marketers are??

Are we to privatize all oil blocks??

I am a bit confused. If you are not too busy. Pls educate me on the process in a simplified manner sir.

I understand what subsidy is. But I don't really understand the place of marketers
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by Nobody: 6:50pm On Apr 30, 2020
Profmaojo:
you are really enlighten sir..please may I ask who the marketers are??

Are we to privatize all oil blocks??

I am a bit confused. If you are not too busy. Pls educate me on the process in a simplified manner sir.

I understand what subsidy is. But I don't really understand the place of marketers


Instead of government to control the price of petrol, which it does by setting the price and paying NNPC the difference between the price at which it imports (in 2018 it was N180 per liter) and the price it sells to marketers (N145 in 2018)....government leaves it to the marketers (private people involved in buying and selling fuel ) to set the price.

That means that anyone can now import fuel....which would in theory lead to PMS costing N300 and above. Eventually, since government is no longer controlling the price of fuel, it would become more attractive for local and foreign investors to build more refineries in Nigeria , which means reduced importation of fuel and eventually market driven reduction of prices.

NNPC can now make a profit, and repair and expand the existing refineries, and also build new ones.
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by omonnakoda: 6:55pm On Apr 30, 2020
Changing Nigeria from a resource dependent country was something Buhari and APC promised.

It is clear they have no clue.

It is not going to happen overnight.

Strategic decisions should have been made which they have FAILED TO DO
1.Prioritize education as evidenced by budgetary allocation
This is something Buhari does not understand . It takes a generation to reap the benefits of education investment
Our youth are generally ignorant and superstitious believing e.g that money can come from olosho pants or Good.Education of course, includes high quality apprenticeships fit for the 21st century. Not everyone needs a degree


2. Prioritize power generation. No progress made on this front under Buhari and no strategy or road map instead billions were spent searching for oil in the North. How do we develop manufacturing capacity without 1 and 2?
3. Reduce the cost of government e.g trillions wasted of oil subsidies and meaningless agencies like FRSC,civil defence etc.


Now they are pretending to pull back on subsidy and rationalise agencies when in reality IMF ordered them to do so before the recent loan.

Buhari's only strategy was to borrow and wait for oil prices to recover since 2015. The opposite has happened

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Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by chigoizie7(m): 6:58pm On Apr 30, 2020
fid4fid:


You mean as reserve dey go down dollar rate go dey high?

That means this money go shot pass 460 na?

But what of that money wey IMF give them? E no go help balance reserve?

Yes. And as we shoot pass. The cost of buying imported goods will be expensive in naira.
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by iluvdonjazzy: 7:11pm On Apr 30, 2020
Bevista:
Unfortunately, you're not entirely correct. The Foreign Reserves is used by the CBN primarily for balance of payment. Basically, that means using the dollars to support importers, travellers, foreign students, foreign investors who want to repatriate their funds, etc. The FG doesn't just go there to withdraw. It's not a "savings account" of the FG.

So, this is how it works. FG total revenue from oil sales L for April is - say - $500 million. The money is paid into an FG account with CBN. CBN then gives the FG a Naira equivalent of that amount. The CBN keeps the $500m so it can use to support imports and other international transactions. The FG has collected all its money in Naira. It cannot just go back to withdraw dollars again.

Foreign Reserves drop when the average inflow is more than outflow. Since Nigeria is an import- dependent nation, there's always demand for USD to meet those import demands. At any time the USD supply reduces but the demand is still constant or even increases, the Reserves will start to drop.

The Truth is - the only reason why the Reserves has not dropped far beyond that is the fact that the global economy is on shutdown and international borders are closed, so there's no much import transactions happening.

iluvdonjazzy
thanks so much and God bless at least a lot of people would have learnt here as well, Kikero thank you too.
Re: Foreign Reserves Shed $5.09bn In Four Months by nograv: 7:14pm On Apr 30, 2020
kikero:


Certainly.

One of the reasons why we have a reserve is for times like this...

The problem is, for how long can we rely on the reserve? Part of the reason why we are taking loans is because we don't want to eat too much into the reserve.

That's why Nigeria should stop relying on selling oil, and selling agric produce and minerals. Best to sell industrial products.


And our Northern friends are the reason why we have an economy so dependent on Oil exports.

Had the political elite which is primarily Hausa/Fulani invested in infrastructure and diversified the economy we wouldnt be in this mess..

We would have reserves in the 100s of billions as well..

Let the South succede and Southern Nigeria will prosper..

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