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Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by AlBaqir(m): 11:02am On May 01, 2020 |
YakubuA: Do you have a prove to substantiate your qadiya that "Allah created everything from nothing"? This statement is incorrect. Nothing can come out of nothing. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Nobody: 11:05am On May 01, 2020 |
Jamariwolff:Human Beings!They always want signs to believe something. Take a look at your body/brain how complex and magnificent it is,and you say God doesn't exist? |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by YakubuA: 11:10am On May 01, 2020 |
AlBaqir: One of the names of Allah (swt) is Alkhaliq. The one who creates out of nothing. Please go and verify this. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Jamariwolff(f): 11:12am On May 01, 2020 |
emddi:ok i am confused. Which god are you talking of? The christian or islamic god? Or does the religion you find yourself born into equates the god who gave you the "brain" and body? |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by semiyink(f): 11:13am On May 01, 2020 |
my husband inlaw is a witches what should I do |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by odinga1of: 11:18am On May 01, 2020 |
Some Muslims and wahala sha. There is one Kaduna idiot quoting Oga Lexusgs430 of Umidigi thread. Stupid terrorist |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by AlBaqir(m): 11:18am On May 01, 2020 |
YakubuA: # What is logic and what is rational thinking? Logic is innate in man. Standardized logic is a tool to help rational thinking from error. # You have limited the meaning and understanding of the above hadith to a LITERAL understanding. And that has always been thr biggest problem of the salafi school. "Looking upon their Lord" should not be interpreted literally. Again, Qur'an is clear, "No vision can grasp Him". Whether in this world or the next, human will continue to assume a kind of "vision". And anything that can be grasp with vision is limited and obviously has a form (surat). That is not Allah. Therefore, "seeing Allah" is by the heart experiencing His ma'rifat. On this earth, we "see" via various of His manifestations. In the next world, those manifestations will be more clearer and obvious since human will be beyond his 5 state of senses. 1 Like |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Farki: 11:19am On May 01, 2020 |
Because he ain't real. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Nobody: 11:22am On May 01, 2020 |
Jamariwolff:There is nothing like the Christian or Islamic God,God is one. Who gave you your body? |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Farki: 11:22am On May 01, 2020 |
abduljabbar4: I can believe anything that doesn't mean it is true. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by AlBaqir(m): 11:25am On May 01, 2020 |
YakubuA: Al-Khaaliq simply means The Creator. It is you that interpolated it with your thought of "out of nothing" to suit your belief. Again, you are challenged to bring a Quranic or "rational" prove substantiate your sentence that "Allah created everything from nothing". I stand by my qadiya that "Nothing (adam) can come out of nothing (adam)". Only Existence (wujud) can come out of existence (wujud). Nothing does not exist. Existence can NEVER ever come out of nothing. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by AbuTwins: 11:30am On May 01, 2020 |
LordReed: You'll get the likes/shares from your cohorts! OK. This is Islam not atheism! |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by alfarouq(m): 11:42am On May 01, 2020 |
Rafidi:Your argument is weak. If you want logic, I will give you one. Do you believe in paradise? Do people in paradise get sick, old, hungry or die? There are many things humans can't experience in this life, but if we are fortunate to be amongst the dwellers of jannah, then we can experience it. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by YakubuA: 11:48am On May 01, 2020 |
AlBaqir: No you are wrong logic is not innate but rational thinking is innate. The Qur'an did talk to us logically to understand our creator but rationally because ability to think rationally is innate in every human being. If you are confused between logic and rational keep in mind always that logic always begin with a premise and you have to go to school to learn logic but rational thinking is innate and does not require that. As for the Hadith what the Messenger said is the Truth and it was the understanding of the Sahabah hence is not subject to your own interpretation. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by alfarouq(m): 11:48am On May 01, 2020 |
AlBaqir:Humans in the afterlife will adopt a form different from the one in this world, they will not get sick, die, or become old. They will also live forever. We should refrain from interpretation of hadith differently from the way the sahabas who studied, learn and relate with the Rasul (pbuh). May Allah grant us understanding 1 Like |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by AbuTwins: 11:53am On May 01, 2020 |
AlBaqir: This moniker is fond of "breaking away"from the truth. Despite the Qur'an verse you quoted corroborating the Hadith OP quoted you still brought up your "Salafy" enemy tag. Anyways we reject your Suffi-Shiite position! |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by OtemAtum: 11:54am On May 01, 2020 |
scott04:I'm always here bro. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by LordReed(m): 12:00pm On May 01, 2020 |
AbuTwins: Irrelevant and doesn't change the fact that this reason is childish. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by AlBaqir(m): 12:22pm On May 01, 2020 |
YakubuA: Now I can say it categorically that you know nothing about logic. The moment you keep on saying logic is about premises, then I know your limitation. Besides, which rational thinking comes without premises? Premises are foundation for result of an arguments. For your information there is no difference between logic and rationality. # Bring one sahabi in an authentic hadith that interpreted the above hadith literally as you do and claimed that exactly was the thought of the Prophet? Please refrain from statement you can not defend. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by malvisguy212: 12:25pm On May 01, 2020 |
Jamariwolff:finally, you have traveled to outer space and come to the conclusion that God does not exist, you are the missing link of homo saipan. You have finally peoduce a theory that explain everything in our universe. Good |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by AlBaqir(m): 12:33pm On May 01, 2020 |
alfarouq: Yes of course human in the afterlife will adopt a "new form" (in Qur'anic terminology) YET human will still remain "mumkin al-Wujud" with limitations. Therefore, your argument that human will not sick, die, become old etc does not solve the problem of "seeing Allah" with our vision. In fact, your point is ba'eed (distant). # You are also challenged to bring one sahabi in an authentic hadith that interpreted the above hadith literally as you do and claimed such interpretation was the intention of Rasulullah (salalallahu alayhi wa ahli). Lobatan. Qur'an is crystal clear that no vision can grasp Him. Therefore, it is in this submission of the Qur'an that you interpret the above hadith. Yet, you sideline Qur'an and formulate a literal meaning of the above hadith. Prophet will never contradict his Lord. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by AlBaqir(m): 12:46pm On May 01, 2020 |
AbuTwins: Where's the "Truth"? How does the verse I quoted corroborated the hadith you chose to interpret literally? Of course, we need to put things in their perspectives especially when salafi wants to monopolize Islamic teachings and understanding. Take a look at the OP's deception. Lots of stones were first thrown saying, "Jahmiyah, ash'ariya, sufi etc said this and that", then, he cunningly bring his own ideology and label it as "correct". That is not only silly but very unjust. There are many thoughts and understanding among the Muslims. If you are to reject an understanding, you simply have to state reasons against it. only then, you can state your own thought which you felt is correct, also with prove. So, I haven't go off track stating the so-called correct view of the OP is salafiyah thought and understanding. The ball is in your court to defend your understanding. I have defended mine. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Herbephe1(m): 1:03pm On May 01, 2020 |
to the Op, may Almighty Allah enrich your mental faculty. back to the topic, I heard there's a particular prophet that's said to have seen Allah. How true is this? |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by abduljabbar4(m): 1:14pm On May 01, 2020 |
Ximenez: You are an idiot. Go and cry |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by abduljabbar4(m): 1:16pm On May 01, 2020 |
Euegene100001: No one needs to battle you bro. |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by abduljabbar4(m): 1:17pm On May 01, 2020 |
[quote author=Bruno3000 post=89056103]Hypocritical idiot. Ur fast is in vain.[/quote Says an idiot |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Meeezzzy(m): 1:21pm On May 01, 2020 |
Can you see your sense? Lexusgs430: |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Lexusgs430: 1:24pm On May 01, 2020 |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Ramsak1: 1:25pm On May 01, 2020 |
who is the terrorist here you busted into a thread not meant for you and you are here shouting terrorist upandan like a deranged individual if i'm to go by Nairaland tendencies..i'd say Christians and pagans don't know how to mind their business jezz leave Islam alone, go your way and do ur stuff...NO they wnt Nd despite all, Islam remains the fastest growing religion worldwide by a farrrr margin Lexusgs430: 1 Like |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by Lexusgs430: 1:28pm On May 01, 2020 |
Ramsak1: Tell me the terrorist sect, that is causing mayhem in Nigeria? Indeed the fastest growing religion, breeding more terrorists......... It's Islam, they say the religion of |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by ifko: 1:31pm On May 01, 2020 |
cezarman:nairaland should be pushing atheist thread to the front page on saturday |
Re: Why Can't We See Allaah In This Life? by YakubuA: 1:32pm On May 01, 2020 |
AlBaqir: OK Logical Professor. I still stand with what I said logic is based on premises and in some cases may not even have reality example? some mathematical equations. If you are ignorant of this fact then you know nothing about logic and google is your friend don't be lazy. On the other hand rational thinking is based on reasons and reality. And I hope this help you to understand the difference. As for the Hadith all can see that the level of your ignorance is second to none. The Hadith is very clear The Messenger said the veil will be lifted and all the Sahabah understood that when a veil is lifted you will see what the veil conceal. No any other interpretation is needed because there is no ambiguity otherwise the Sahabah would have asked the Prophet to explain further. Beside there was no single Sahabi that disagree with this understanding. So the onus is rather on you to bring one single Sahabi that disagree with this understanding. If you are confused the Ummah is not confused. 1 Like |
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