Austine1212:


Personally i don't see anything wrong with it

Ofcourse!

TayserMahri:


Ofcourse!

If you want you can have an indian Surname, or arabic

Still not a problem,

TayserMahri:


Ofcourse!

You can check out the vids i posted

Austine1212:


If you want you can have an indian Surname, or arabic

Still not a problem,

Traditional african naming has a routine. Some societies name after ancestors, others after immediate grandparents, others after seasons, time of day, etc... Butthold Winkler is certainly not one of the seasons in Africa.

TayserMahri:


Traditional african naming has a routine. Some societies name after ancestors, others after immediate grandparents, others after seasons, time of day, etc... Butthold Winkler is certainly not one of the seasons in Africa.

What would a name Change?

Its not like it has correlation to success, wealth, education
Unless you royal

Durban


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjb2zKar-Ww

Austine1212:


You can check out the vids i posted

Durban was nice. How is crime there?

Austine1212:



What would a name Change?

Its not like it has correlation to success, wealth, education
Unless you royal

They could call themselves anything, but at least as much as possible people should try to maintain their cultures and names.Let the Chinese stick by his original name, a European by his, an African too. Otherwise, eventually African names will disappear, all because gullible Africans like Butthold Whistler wanted to sound European.

TayserMahri:


Durban was nice. How is crime there?

Ive personally never experienced crime, nor saw it

TayserMahri:


They could call themselves anything, but at least as much as possible people should try to maintain their cultures and names.Let the Chinese stick by his original name, a European by his, an African too. Otherwise, eventually African names will disappear, all because gullible Africans like Butthold Whistler wanted to sound European.

Some Chinese south african has african names

Even some white south africans

TayserMahri:


They could call themselves anything, but at least as much as possible people should try to maintain their cultures and names.Let the Chinese stick by his original name, a European by his, an African too. Otherwise, eventually African names will disappear, all because gullible Africans like Butthold Whistler wanted to sound European.

A name does not change how cultural you are, you can be kukuyu and be as indian as they come

Austine1212:


Ive personally never experienced crime, nor saw it

Cool, you live there?

TayserMahri:


Cool, you live there?

Nah

Ive never experienced crime anywhere in SA,

It it what it is

Austine1212:


Some Chinese south african has african names

Even some white south africans

That is more understandable. A Chinese SAn is surrounded by Africans and could give themselves the names in their immediate society due to intermarriages and so forth. Same case with Black people in Europe or the US, or Asians in Europe/US, or Europeans in China/Africa. But here we're talking of someone who, if am right, has absolutely no reason to give themselves a European name except for self indulgence, possibly even to distance himself from his roots. Because he doesnt seem to be linked to the Winklers (whoever they were) in any way. Obviously his mum and dad were black, as were his grandparents and ancestors.

TayserMahri:


That is more understandable. A Chinese SAn is surrounded by Africans and could give themselves the names in their immediate society due to intermarriages and so forth. Same case with Black people in Europe or the US, or Asians in Europe/US, or Europeans in China/Africa. But here we're talking of someone who, if am right, has absolutely no reason to give themselves a European name except for self indulgence, possibly even to distance himself from his roots. Because he doesnt seem to be linked to the Winklers (whoever they were) in any way. Obviously his mum and dad were black, as were his grandparents and ancestors.

In some African countries or tribes surnames didn't exist until European came

Normally one would have an African name the second one would be a Christian name eg joseph, gabriel, paul

Austine1212:


A name does not change how cultural you are, you can be kukuyu and be as indian as they come

Not true. An ethnic group is not similar to nationality. An Indian can be Kenyan but cannot be Kikuyu, a Kikuyu can be Kenyan but not ethnically Indian.

TayserMahri:


Cleopatra genes spotted. Gracious woman!
As always, mtis and tyllan use what I dashed

Buharis Fula daughter ehh, you guys sample royalty everyday

Austine1212:


Ive personally never experienced crime, nor saw it

Really bro?

TayserMahri:


Really bro?

Yes 57m people, you really don't expect anyone to experience crime, even more thanthan half will not experience it

TayserMahri:


Not true. An ethnic group is not similar to nationality. An Indian can be Kenyan but cannot be Kikuyu, a Kikuyu can be Kenyan but not ethnically Indian.

Constitution allows for surname change

Austine1212:


In some African countries or tribessurnames didn'tdidn't exist until European came

Normally one would have an African name the second one would be a Christian name eg joseph, gabriel, paul

Thats true. The Africans in the process of being christianized were told they could only become proper Christians worthy of heaven by having a European first name. Obviously it was a colonial master plan to rob Africans of their heritage and roots. This is why having your ancestral name is important because that's how you know thyself. That's why I have an issue with Butthold Whistler.

kikuyu1:


Ohh ishyt, the links aren't showing! Idk have all the answers but only the big picture. I had a SIGNIFICANT NOT MAJOR piece of this history here comparing Masaai/Kikuyu cooperation with what Boers did. A certain poster insists they're equally African!?
Anyway,here's one of the posts with links

Like many Southern Kyukes he was adapted from the Maasaai

this right here exactly supports an assimilation of the Maa who then graciously distributed their genes to the Agikuyu for generations. That's what I noted with the moipei sisters reply...

Justnotyou:


Buharis Fula daughter ehh, you guys sample royalty everyday

Thats Bubu's daughter? Didnt know.....but royalty is ma thing

Austine1212:


Yes 57m people, you really don't expect anyone to experience crime, even more thanthan half will not experience it

Blame it on the crime videos from SA.

Austine1212:


Constitution allows for surname change

Yes, but that wont change your ethnicity. If your name was Nana Baidoo, for instance, then you change to Butthold Whistler, that doesnt make you European.

TayserMahri:


That is more understandable. A Chinese SAn is surrounded by Africans and could give themselves the names in their immediate society due to intermarriages and so forth. Same case with Black people in Europe or the US, or Asians in Europe/US, or Europeans in China/Africa. But here we're talking of someone who, if am right, has absolutely no reason to give themselves a European name except for self indulgence, possibly even to distance himself from his roots. Because he doesnt seem to be linked to the Winklers (whoever they were) in any way. Obviously his mum and dad were black, as were his grandparents and ancestors.

those in the coastal areas in Ghana then Gold Coast mostly bear European surnames from their great grandfathers who were Europeans during the colonial and slave trade era.These Europeans came alone without their wives so they got engaged with the locals and gave birth to several mixed race children and thus these children bearing European names such as van vicker,nelson,winkler,buckle,DeRooy,Johnson, Richardson,Blankson,Hammond,Woods,Arthur, etc which are very common surnames in the coastal regions of Ghana from Greater Accra to Cape Coast to Takoradi where Wode Maya comes from.His bearing of this European name implies that his great grandfather was an European. Some of these Europeans raped the slaves and took away the babies to nurture them when they gave birth.Jerry Rawlings has a Scottish dad thus his surname Rawlings. Note that the Europeans first came to Ghana in 1471 and left in 1960 after Ghana gained a republic and they are still in Ghana in their millions so they have a huge impact in our history.

TayserMahri:


Obviously you have glaucoma. I mentioned the firing of the head of the lab and all you saw is prayer. How do you propose we compare our numbers with yours that have been suspended since the massive one week explosion? We have been reporting numbers every day while you have not, burying your heads in the sand.

FYI, in a lab environment you have to test and make use every equipment and device you get is working properly, you just don't procure something them you just start using it. Failure to do so is direct incompetence or negligence and for the national health lab that is total unacceptable. The head didn't get fired because the numbers where spiking but rather because the lab failed to detect that some of the kits are faulty.

TayserMahri:


What was the point of firing the head of the lab? Seems your president thinks she manufactured the test kits.

In a lab environment you have to test and make use every equipment and device you get is working properly, you just don't procure something them you just start using it. Failure to do so is direct incompetence or negligence and for the national health lab that is total unacceptable. The head of the lab got fired because the lab failed to detect that some of the kits are faulty.

chrisagyei:
those in the coastal areas in Ghana then Gold Coast mostly bear European surnames from their great grandfathers who were Europeans during the colonial and slave trade era.These Europeans came alone without their wives so they got engaged with the locals and gave birth to several mixed race children and thus these children bearing European names such as van vicker,nelson,winkler,buckle,DeRooy,Johnson, Richardson,Blankson,Hammond,Woods,Arthur, etc which are very common surnames in the coastal regions of Ghana from Greater Accra to Cape Coast to Takoradi where Wode Maya comes from.His bearing of this European name implies that his great grandfather was an European. Some of these Europeans raped the slaves and took away the babies to nurture them when they gave birth.Jerry Rawlings has a Scottish dad thus his surname Rawlings. Note that the Europeans first came to Ghana in 1471 and left in 1960 after Ghana gained a republic and they are still in Ghana in their millions so they have a huge impact in our history.

Makes sense. But hardly for the guy we're talking about. He doesnt even look to have the slightest trace of caucasian blood in his body. Such people are usually physically mulattoes.

TayserMahri:


You guys are looking well on course to wipe out 99 % of your elderly people. Instead of a population pyramid you will soon be having a trapezoidal population, with the top half of the population slashed off.

Most of the elderly population in Tanzania are located in remote rural areas and so far most of the cases reported are in urban settings, with the current rate of spreading it will take some time before we see a strong effect of the virus to the elderly population.

I agree with you. Kikuyus are bantus (at least half of them) while Maasai are nilotes - and their closest relatives are Lotuko who occupy Juba South Sudan. Lotuko and Maasai language is very close to be one language.Maasai nearest cousins are Turkanas, Iteso and Toposa and Eastern South Sudanase and they came to kenya together.

Kenya migration is pretty easy.

The aboriginal were here - never left. They are part of Khoisan and speak click language. Some bantus like Xhosa down south have adapted part of their language but generally, they were so weak, they got assimilated.

Most people apart from Khoisans - hunter & gatherers - lived along river beds - because of agriculture & few domesticated animals - pastoralism not really began.

The next wave of migration to kenya was by 2 groups - proto-Kalenjin and proto-southern Kushites (oromos+somalis). Kalenjin were northmost of other nilotes - and lived around current Khartoum - the Luos and related (dinka, nuer, etc) just below them - and Maasai and related below in Juba - while the Kushites lived not far up around the Kush. This was pre-Christianity times. They went through Ethiopia eventually to East Africa all way down to Tanzania. Kushites would later split into Oromos and Somalis.

The next wave of migration was Bantus. Coming from Cameroon/Nigeria border they quickly spread thanks to their newly discovered Iron technology (probably copied from Nigeria or Chad) as they forged tools to cultivate and hack through forests. This was a massive migration that happened very quickly - as Bantus conquered the territories previously occupied by Khoisans in Central, South and East Africa. There is very little genetic or language diversity between bantus...because of the rapid migration.

The next wave of migration in Kenya was nilotes - Maasai, Turkanas and later the Luos. The Maasai arrival was momentous. They basically took territory quickly from north of Kenya to south of Tanzania. Only getting stopped by Zulu breakaway Ngonis.

Because the Maasai were very populous (largest tribe in Kenya) and had fighting spirits never seen before - many attempted to befriend them - and so even kidnapped maasai kids.Maasai also took in nearly every tribe as wives or kidnapped kids. This was true for many communities - not only the Kikuyus.The Maasai came from the theatre of war somewhere in South Sudan together with their cousins - turkanas, Iteso, taposa and those in Ethiopia - and later Luos (Luos lived north - near current Sudan) - and all were possibly escaping forced Islamization and slave trades from Arab and Nubians....and mostly thanks to acquisition of new breed of hardy zebu cows from India.


The last people to migrate to kenya was colonizing Europeans and their lanky Asians...and of course Nubians.

Justnotyou:


What about the meru, Kambas, Taitas where do they come from? also why did you magically loose your linguistic affiliations to your ancestors living up north even though you were, presumably, surrounded by Nilo-saharan & afroasiatic speakers even while entering Kenya?

Were the Kikuyus ever extremely endogamous before? why are you so sure any genetic anomaly isn't as a result of an intermarriage/rape/assimilation?

Where does the bulk of the Niger-Congo genes come from? Why is your paternal haplogroup more than 70% E1b1a which is predominantly found with other bantu/west Africans while the cultures you're descending from are barely a 1% E1b1a, why? what happened along the way to shift you guys genetically & linguistically so much as to turn you in to the mixed people of today?

TayserMahri:


Does it make a difference, son. The fact of the matter is the Zambians are alarmed by the positive cases coming from your primitive society. Your claim is false to start with..

Yes, there is a difference between permanently closing the border and temporary closing it so as to make an assessment on how to handle it. The foreign minister addressed in in parliament yesterday, the border will be opened in a week tops.