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rationalhuman:
Let me try to inform you how these things works. You need certain test procedures for various validations. Playing with Pathogens and Viruses is not joke , Even BSL-1 Labs are not available and you see people here talking about developing Cures?? You dare to do such things when you have BSL-4 or atleast BSL-3 Labs.
We barely have basic Chemistry lab in our universities able to do simple Titration test.

Forget BSL-3, No Country has BSL-2 Lab in this continent. I doubt if any country will be able to have BSL-2 in next 25 years.
(Exception are South Africa, (thanks to Whites), and French has theirs in Gabon to research local disease)

I dont have hope for BSL-4 Level for next 100 years. (USA has 8 , India has 6, Australia has 3, South Korea has 1 such labs)

The first successful human vaccine was made by simply taking pus from the sores on a lady with cowpox and rubbing it into the wounds of healthy people to protect them from smallpox. The second one was made by infecting a rabbit with rabies and injecting the weakened virus harvested from its spinal cord into a boy who had been bitten by a rabid animal. Many vaccines since them have been made by growing human viruses in chicken eggs for several generations to reduce their virulence in humans. I don't see why can't we do such things in Nigeria.

It would be nice to have BSL-3 labs, but I doubt that researchers need extreme safety measures that can't be attained in Nigeria to work on a disease that is currently spreading in the country. You would need extreme safety measures to work with Ebola because of the risk that it would escape from the lab, but you wouldn't need them to work on malaria or the common cold viruses which are already everywhere in the country.

And you are talking about Vaccine development for such thing? We dont have Genome Copying Systems and know how, First you need to map the Genome of any pathogens then you do Bio-molecular research.

Vaccines were developed and successfully administered for many decades before the first "Genomic Copying System" was developed.

Cure will come from India, US, Britain, Canada or Australia. We can just wish and pray for their success. We people from this continent are indeed most unproductive and irrational humans on this planet, no wonder whole worlds laugh at us. Tell me you were in jolly mood while posting this. Comparison with India?

India is very similar to us. They have a corrupt and inefficient government, and a large population which includes millions of extremely poor people living in dirty slums. But unlike us, they are willing to try to do things by themselves, instead of giving up and waiting for the West to do everything for them.

Europe, Asia and America will not provide sufficient vaccines to us until they have vaccinated the majority of their own citizens. This may take years. Fortunately, there are many Nigerians abroad who know how to make vaccines; why can't we ask them to please help us?

Seun:
I’m optimistic that we will have several effective vaccines eventually, since this is a virus that most people’s immune systems can naturally handle given enough time, and vaccines work by stimulating the immune system. It’s not the kind of virus that attacks the immune system or hides from it. Honestly I think Nigeria should be working on creating a vaccine since it’s not rocket science. If we are waiting for other countries to make a vaccine and immunize their own citizens before selling it to us, we will be waiting for a long time. If India can make vaccines, why can’t we? Even a primitive vaccine should work.

On the contrary , making vaccines for viruses requires restricted expertise , know how and importantly high bio security facilities . It is more difficult than rocket science. Especially undocumented new viruses on which no R & D has been published or is ongoing.

Only few countries in the world USA , INDIA , FRANCE , UK , CHINA , RUSSIA have the capabilities along with SOUTH KOREA , JAPAN

Under BWC only the former countries are allowed to share and transfer technologies that are prohibited under biological weapons convention for defensive purposes.

Since biological weapon programs ( even for defensive purposes ) requires the highest know how and hi tech facilities and equipments , only the said countries possess the expertise and resources to develop vaccines for highly complicated viruses.

Viruses r a molecular entity which can be perse assumed to analogues to a sentinel being , highly complex . They are not simply blocks of amino acids , they r " sentinel " meaning they can adapt , evolve and exploit vulnerabilities in the host molecular system to replicate propagate and survive. Their operational mechanism is similar to mechanism in our brains though at lower complexity levels , our human behaviour is nothing but outcome of neurological interactions of amino acids, neurotransmitters , neuro receptors , firing of synapses from one neuron to another numbering in millions per second determining out wordly interactions like fight or flight etc . Same basic mechanism drives these viruses.

So no, primitive vaccines does not even come into question.

Right now only researchers from USA , CHINA , INDIA , EU , JAPAN , S KOREA are publishing their research papers on corona virus on almost daily basis with concurrent development of vacancies in the said countries via pharmaceutical companies / govt agencies of the said countries only.


Pics of some viruses

Seun:
India is very similar to us. They have a corrupt and inefficient government, and a large population which includes millions of extremely poor people living in dirty slums. But unlike us, they are willing to try to do things by themselves, instead of giving up and waiting for the West to do everything for them. Europe, Asia and America will not provide sufficient vaccines to us until they have vaccinated the majority of their own citizens. This may take years. We have Nigerians abroad who know how to make vaccines; why can't we bring them back and use them?

I agree with virtually all of your stance regarding how to handle this covid-19 but you see the bold part up there is a little bit illogical. This Nigerians you say we have, aren't really ours. That devilish concept of treating talented/skillful folks as public property is what made us lost these skillful hands to other nations. They are better off in a society that can help harmonise their skill for the greater and timely use of humanity than our backwards system. What do you think will happen when you bring talented Igbo's, Yoruba's, Calabars, Fulanis, and Hausa's back then put them together. Division and strife picks up again and the end result suffers one more time. Those brain aren't really ours and are better off in where they were able to attain those enviable status.

CodeTemplar:
I agree with virtually all of your stance regarding how to handle this covid-19 but you see the bold part up there is a little bit illogical. This Nigerians you say we have, aren't really ours. That devilish concept of treating talented/skillful folks. ..... typing.

I have changed the wording. The original wording wasn’t intended to be malicious. So, just like India, we are lucky to have highly skilled Nigerians working in labs all over the world. We should ask for their help and pay them very well if they choose to return to Nigeria in this difficult time and help us to make a vaccine.

Seun:
I have changed the wording. The original wording wasn’t intended to be malicious. So, just like India, we are lucky to have highly skilled Nigerians working in labs all over the world. We should ask for their help and pay them very well if they choose to return to Nigeria in this difficult time and help us to make a vaccine.

OK. I finished mine also. I was interrupted.

Seun:
The first successful human vaccine was made by simply taking pus from the sores on a lady with cowpox and rubbing it into the wounds of healthy people to protect them from smallpox. The second one was made by infecting a rabbit with rabies and injecting the weakened virus harvested from its spinal cord into a boy who had been bitten by a rabid animal. Many vaccines since them have been made by growing human viruses in chicken eggs for several generations to reduce their virulence in humans. I don't see why can't we do such things in Nigeria.

It would be nice to have BSL-3 labs, but I doubt that researchers need extreme safety measures that can't be attained in Nigeria to work on a disease that is currently spreading in the country. You would need extreme safety measures to work with Ebola because of the risk that it would escape from the lab, but you wouldn't need them to work on malaria or the common cold viruses which are already everywhere in the country.


Vaccines were developed and successfully administered for many decades before the first "Genomic Copying System" was developed.


India is very similar to us. They have a corrupt and inefficient government, and a large population which includes millions of extremely poor people living in dirty slums. But unlike us, they are willing to try to do things by themselves, instead of giving up and waiting for the West to do everything for them.

Europe, Asia and America will not provide sufficient vaccines to us until they have vaccinated the majority of their own citizens. This may take years. Fortunately, there are many Nigerians abroad who know how to make vaccines; why can't we ask them to please help us?

You are actually making sense... Sometimes, before all this high tech labs, solutions weren't available and simple.
But they is still a issue. Getting the vaccine is one thing, getting it approved is another then getting the massive fund to set up facility to produce for just Nigeria alone,... 220 million at 5 million per month would take billions of dollars and upto 4 years

Not to factor in time it would require to administer the vaccine.

Seun:
India is very similar to us. They have a corrupt and inefficient government, and a large population which includes millions of extremely poor people living in dirty slums. But unlike us, they are willing to try to do things by themselves, instead of giving up and waiting for the West to do everything for them. Europe, Asia and America will not provide sufficient vaccines to us until they have vaccinated the majority of their own citizens. This may take years. We have Nigerians abroad who know how to make vaccines; why can't we bring them back and use them?

Nigerians or any foreigners abroad sometimes excel because of the cutting edge resources and experience available in the said foreign countries.

If the same Nigerian or foreigners were to stay and work in their own countries , they will be nobodies without the availability of high tech facilities and experience , the very same reason why they migrated to another country in the first place. Do you think developed countries will share their resources and technologies with us ? If you don't have them how will you build the same. It is not impossible but it is bordering impossible.


Nigeria is Nigeria , India is India , each is unique and share no correlation whatsoever. Ad hominem comparisons and similarities don't hide the obvious differences and only increases excuses to hide under.

During WW1 British and Australian surgeons consulted and followed ancient Indian medical texts and techniques to perform plastic surgery on injured soldiers same as it's done thousands of years ago in India.

During my travels i visited royal Australian college of surgeons , Melbourne where I saw the bust of Sushruta an Indian 600 BC honoured as father of surgery.

Indian expertise in science, mathematics , medical science is not of today , it is part of their documented 10,000 years old civilization . It is their pedigree. No other country except for china even comes close to it.

Corruption exists in every country , the important question is the way corruption manifests itself .

There is corruption in Japan too , the only difference is in Japan the corrupt r not greedy they take a small cut while ensuring the quality and timely completion of project is not compromised.

Same across other countries , the only difference is in level of greed by the corrupt.

Unfortunately Nigeria for its much smaller population has more poorer people and it is increasing day by day . Best we introspect for solutions than compare with the incomparable.

It is ironically on many levels that while we are thinking of building BSL 3 labs someday , the same India you compared to , developed and started manufacturing 2 types of mobile BSL 3 lab on wheels in less than 2 weeks just to cater for on demand facilities at any desired location.

Things like this shows the difference between actual real life reality and perception bias with regard to capabilities between any 2 countries.


We have a long road to walk or rather crawl before we can even walk

India is similar to us? You have no idea what you have just said.
Okay tell me which sector you want to compare first, Be specific, IT? Software Development? Heavy Engineering Industry? Space Programs? Energy generation? Healthcare? Automotive Industry? Aviation industry? Education Sector? Petro Chemical sector?

Or you want to talk about their Pharmaceutical and Vaccine manufacturing capabilities?
We are not same, come out of dilution. Just be specific.

Seun:
The first successful human vaccine was made by simply taking pus from the sores on a lady with cowpox and rubbing it into the wounds of healthy people to protect them from smallpox. The second one was made by infecting a rabbit with rabies and injecting the weakened virus harvested from its spinal cord into a boy who had been bitten by a rabid animal. Many vaccines since them have been made by growing human viruses in chicken eggs for several generations to reduce their virulence in humans. I don't see why can't we do such things in Nigeria.

It would be nice to have BSL-3 labs, but I doubt that researchers need extreme safety measures that can't be attained in Nigeria to work on a disease that is currently spreading in the country. You would need extreme safety measures to work with Ebola because of the risk that it would escape from the lab, but you wouldn't need them to work on malaria or the common cold viruses which are already everywhere in the country.


Vaccines were developed and successfully administered for many decades before the first "Genomic Copying System" was developed.


India is very similar to us. They have a corrupt and inefficient government, and a large population which includes millions of extremely poor people living in dirty slums. But unlike us, they are willing to try to do things by themselves, instead of giving up and waiting for the West to do everything for them.

Europe, Asia and America will not provide sufficient vaccines to us until they have vaccinated the majority of their own citizens. This may take years. Fortunately, there are many Nigerians abroad who know how to make vaccines; why can't we ask them to please help us?

Which part? You think such pathogens should be handled anywise?
I will start worshiping my own kind if we make a cure, Produce A Science Nobel winner.
I guess you must be using everything developed by Foreigners, Be it Electricity, Medicines, cars, Phones, Internet, Communication Devices, Led lamps. No shame in acknowledging the real developers and giving credit where it due, If that makes us white worshiper then fine by me.

We dont have simple Genome copying facility and know how available and just mentioning that makes me white worshipper? wow
We take too much pride while doing nothing. Accept realities.

Austine1212:
Stupid argument for a grown man

White worshiper

Safyqueen:
Governor Yahaya Bello of Kogi State:
NCDC is marketing #CoronaVirus and destroying our Lives.

Enough of this #Covid-19 Nonsense. 386 new cases? We have played fool enough!!!

And you have discharged 679... What did you give to this ones you discharged?

#Covid-19 is a war, and in times of war you get everyone prepared. Tell Nigerians what this ones discharged took and let everyone take it and be safe.

Is Corona more deadlier than Tuberculosis, Sars, Pneumonia, Aids?

Early detection saves the life; tell people how to boost their immune system and stop creating marchants out of Corona.

People are dying everyday for more serious ailments because they can't access hospitals. People have diabetes, kidney issues, liver issues, heart diseases, cancer, BP, labour complications, Hiv, Brain issues, Lung disease, etc, some need to go to other states to access hospital services... They are dying in numbers and no one is counting them because you are counting Corona.

We were told the symptoms of Corona are cough, catarh, difficulty in breathing, and the mortality rate is very minimal which we have seen in the results NCDC have been releasing.

These symptoms things people have been suffering from and we have been managing them well here in hospitals here in Nigeria, we have seen people with difficulties in breathing and they were treated.

Why are we marketing Corona in Nigeria?
Why are we harming ourselves intentionally?

Creating fears, hardship and tension on innocent citizens.

You promised 40,000 testing in 1 month, and this is almost 2months and you haven't tested 20,000

3000+ active cases and 679 discharged, which confirms mortality is less than 6%. Why then do you want to kill the entire country with fears.

Do you know how people struggle to survive in this country? Do you know the more hardship you are forcing on people by marketing Corona?

Now we will be forced to open our borders for importation of rice, can foods and all sorts of junks again cos we will be running out of food soon , at a time we were almost food sufficient.

Enough of this politics that NCDC is playing with our Lives.

This is the second month we Shutdown our offices with no means of livelihood, and you are just counting numbers for us daily.

Are you really concerned about our plight and survival?

First you took to every Tv and Radio station to market Corona. Every second they advertise Corona, to instil fear in people when you know this disease is not a death sentence.

There are thousand and one proactive ways of approaching this disease, but you want to make all the money you can make from it at the detriment of our economy, at the detriment of people's livelihoods.

The President have been struggling to get out economy up, and within a twinkle of an eye everything is back to zero, no state can boast of 1billion naira IGR.

This is planting season and no farmer is in d farm,no rice paddy for rice meals to process, nothing.

NCDC stop marketing Corona, stop raising tensions, stop destroying our economy.

Tell us how you managed the 679 you discharged, train doctors on it, and let hospitals manage Corona patients, Corona is not going to leave us even if there is a vaccine today.

People need to get back on their feet and live.
Enough of this Corona Nonsense!!! Corona is not a death sentence!!! Just like Cancer, early detection saves the life. Am tired menh...

Quite informative, not everything I agree with though.

Flexherbal:
Nature has give man the power to overcome every challenge, here on earth.

With the wisdom from God, we will overcome.

He will reveal to men of understanding, what needs to be done.

Yeah. He will.

But God sends the virus, in the first instance, to bring men to their knees.

This confirm what Pastor Adeboye said when social distancing started in Lagos then. That word kept resonating in my mind. He said the virus has come to stay and God will cut it off it when the time comes.

This is Italian parliament, listen to the concerns. Hear a law maker quote Bill Gates. I have done my own research and most are true. Do you your own research after watch the video with the below link

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CARjIMsnNi2/?igshid=1xto02qe3hk2p

ceejayluv:
There are many people that have had covid 19 , And didn't know but recovered without symptoms. That's why some governments are considering anti body Tests to determine who has had the disease or not.

Correcto:
This is Italian parliament, listen to the concerns. Hear a law maker quote Bill Gates. I have done my own research and most are true. Do you your own research after watch the video with the below link

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CARjIMsnNi2/?igshid=1xto02qe3hk2p

This is exactly what The like of Dino Melaye and ffk would have done if they were in our NA. Conspiracy theorists are in all walks of life.

The moderator even had to calm some group of people that were obviously out to dispute her . Oh, Did she just talk about 5G too?..



As for Bill Gates opinion on population, here's a clearer picture rather than the "forceful depopulation" myth. I don't know how improvement on access to family planning and birth control equals forced sterilisation agenda.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/09/africas-rapid-population-growth-puts-poverty-progress-at-risk-says-gates/

Lol Nigeria can't be compared to Italy. By the way I made research on the quotes on Bill Gates. I am certain you made no research on any of the comments but you are quick to spew trash. You don't even know what conspiracy theory is about. Define conspiracy theory first. Even the link you posted I am certain you did even bother to research on it. SMH

ceejayluv:
This is exactly what The like of Dino Melaye and ffk would have done if they were in our NA. Conspiracy theorists are in all walks of life.

The speaker even had to calm some group of people that were obviously out to dispute her . Oh, Did she just talk about 5G too?..



As for Bill Gates opinion on population, here's a clearer picture rather than the "forceful depopulation" myth. I don't know how improvement on access to family planning and birth control equals forced sterilisation agenda.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/09/africas-rapid-population-growth-puts-poverty-progress-at-risk-says-gates/

Correcto:
Lol Nigeria can't be compared to Italy. By the way I made research on the quotes on Bill Gates. I am certain you made no research on any of the comments but you are quick to spew trash. You don't even know what conspiracy theory is about. Define conspiracy theory first. Even the link you posted I am certain you did even bother to research on it. SMH

She spewed typical conspiracy theory rhetoric about 5G, fictitious 500,000 polio vaccine victims in India and other gibberish pulled straight from any random YouTube wannabe conspiracy channel. That's pretty clear.

I'll need a link to where Gates advocated mass sterilisation or Straight up genocide.

Lol that's is why you need to research yourself so you can appreciate it better. I said most quotes on Gates are true, meaning some are also not true. Make research, even you tube is not entirely reliable because they deleted most videos already. Research research research. I am about to research on the link you posted, do your own research too.

ceejayluv:
She spewed typical conspiracy theory rhetoric about 5G, fictitious 500,000 polio vaccine victims in India and other gibberish pulled straight from any random YouTube wannabe conspiracy channel. That's pretty clear.

I'll need a link to where Gates advocated mass sterilisation or Straight up genocide.

Correcto:
Lol that's is why you need to research yourself so you can appreciate it better. I said most quotes on Gates are true, meaning some are also not true. Make research, even you tube is not entirely reliable because they deleted most videos already. Research research research. I am about to research on the link you posted, do your own research too.

Carry on.

Ok

ceejayluv:
Carry on.

Visit this site and listen to the interview by a medical doctor at londonreal.tv/mikovits

The video is banned in almost every social media platform but was still kept there for people to see. Watch it.

ceejayluv:
She spewed typical conspiracy theory rhetoric about 5G, fictitious 500,000 polio vaccine victims in India and other gibberish pulled straight from any random YouTube wannabe conspiracy channel. That's pretty clear.

I'll need a link to where Gates advocated mass sterilisation or Straight up genocide.